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(Mirror.co.uk)   This month's announcement of 100 lost Doctor Who episodes recovered comes from Ethiopia. "About that..." follow-up article seen warming up in the wings   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 32
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2013-10-05 11:34:08 PM
wow, GIS for 'starving ethiopian' is sad. so here is a fluffy bunny saying "Doctor? Who?"
 
2013-10-05 11:36:28 PM
500 Internal Server Error ?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-05 11:45:15 PM
It's the same report from earlier in the summer and is likely just as fake.
 
2013-10-06 07:58:24 AM

Rincewind53: It's the same report from earlier in the summer and is likely just as fake.


I was wondering if they had found another batch of tapes.
 
2013-10-06 08:12:55 AM
Were they labeled "teanaste'lle'n Sweetie"?
 
2013-10-06 08:20:40 AM
The Master had them all destroyed
 
2013-10-06 08:37:03 AM
Were they found with the Ark of the Covenant?
 
2013-10-06 08:57:22 AM
AngryDragon:
Were they found with the Ark of the Covenant?

Man, those guys are running the longest con ever short of, you know, religion in general.  "We have the Hebrews' G_d-powered super-weapon stored in our temple!  No you can't see it".

I really hope this report is true.  I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats mindlessly destroyed important parts of British culture just to save a few pounds.  If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches in a trunk in your grandma's attic.
 
2013-10-06 09:07:45 AM

AngryDragon: Were they found with the Ark of the Covenant?


Dammit... just came here to post that. Maybe the tapes are inside the Ark?
 
2013-10-06 09:28:15 AM

No Such Agency: just to save a few pounds.


A pound was worth a bit more in the sixties.

/and videotape was really really expensive
//and so was storing reels of film
///I want the Daleks' Masterplan back!
 
2013-10-06 09:39:43 AM

No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats ordinary people mindlessly destroyed recycled materials following standard procedures important parts of British culture ephemeral records of a minor TV show that seems a lot more important in hindsight just to save a few pounds to stay within budget, at a time when much television was broadcast live and is lost anyway and recordings were routinely recycled. If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches Rembrandt's cocktail napkins, not intrinsically very interesting and valuable only as a marker of time past in a trunk in your grandma's attic.


FTFY.

Seriously, you sound like somebody who hasn't actually seen much early Doctor Who. Those of us that were actually there and are honest with ourselves acknowledge that it's not actually very good. In its earliest days it was a driver of some minor effects innovation such as the banishing Tardis and the Radiophonic Workshop; and it created some iconic childhood fears (Daleks and Cybermen); but the longer it dragged on, the less forgivable the cheap sets and cheesy acting became. It was a children's show whose most enduring legacy was that it created a generation of adults with enough fond memories to support the modern incarnation of the show. There's nothing important or cultural about the actual content of those tapes. I'd be far more excited if somebody discovered that early Tardis sets or Daleks had survived.

And besides, even if everything you said were true -- and it isn't -- it would be disingenuous revisionism at best to castigate the BBC employees who simply did what was routinely done with light entertainment at the time. It's not like they lost the moon landings, or recycled the Elgin Marbles into kitchen countertops.
 
2013-10-06 09:46:44 AM

czetie: recycled the Elgin Marbles into kitchen countertops


Whoa, I want countertops made of the Elgin Marbles. Who wouldn't want Lapiths and Centaurs fighting in their kitchen?
 
2013-10-06 10:18:01 AM
The comment comparing the BBC to the Gestapo is comedy gold.
 
2013-10-06 10:40:41 AM

czetie: No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats ordinary people mindlessly destroyed recycled materials following standard procedures important parts of British culture ephemeral records of a minor TV show that seems a lot more important in hindsight just to save a few pounds to stay within budget, at a time when much television was broadcast live and is lost anyway and recordings were routinely recycled. If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches Rembrandt's cocktail napkins, not intrinsically very interesting and valuable only as a marker of time past in a trunk in your grandma's attic.

FTFY.


They had to pay for the champagne carts on-set somehow.

Source: Blind in One Ear, Patrick Macnee of The Avengers (The British Avengers with hot upper-class chicks in leather, not the Marvel one)
 
2013-10-06 11:00:17 AM

czetie: No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats ordinary people mindlessly destroyed recycled materials following standard procedures important parts of British culture ephemeral records of a minor TV show that seems a lot more important in hindsight just to save a few pounds to stay within budget, at a time when much television was broadcast live and is lost anyway and recordings were routinely recycled. If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches Rembrandt's cocktail napkins, not intrinsically very interesting and valuable only as a marker of time past in a trunk in your grandma's attic.

FTFY.

Seriously, you sound like somebody who hasn't actually seen much early Doctor Who. Those of us that were actually there and are honest with ourselves acknowledge that it's not actually very good. In its earliest days it was a driver of some minor effects innovation such as the banishing Tardis and the Radiophonic Workshop; and it created some iconic childhood fears (Daleks and Cybermen); but the longer it dragged on, the less forgivable the cheap sets and cheesy acting became. It was a children's show whose most enduring legacy was that it created a generation of adults with enough fond memories to support the modern incarnation of the show. There's nothing important or cultural about the actual content of those tapes. I'd be far more excited if somebody discovered that early Tardis sets or Daleks had survived.

And besides, even if everything you said were true -- and it isn't -- it would be disingenuous revisionism at best to castigate the BBC employees who simply did what was routinely done with light entertainment at the time. It's not like they lost the moon landings, or recycled the Elgin Marbles into kitchen countertops.


You sir, just have no taste.
 
2013-10-06 11:49:48 AM
The actual headline in the article says 106, which would be amazing since one of the missing 106 (Feast of Steven) was never sold...

But anyway, the entire article is based on someone hearing something from a friend, so not particularly more reliable than any other rumor this year.
 
2013-10-06 12:12:37 PM
It's the UK Mirror. They're about as reliable as a traumatic brain injury.
 
2013-10-06 12:29:25 PM
czetie:

All fair points but I think it's odd that a national broadcaster felt that the programming they were producing was essentially "throwaway".  I guess growing up with the CBC and its mandate to produce quality programming that reflects and enriches Canadian culture (whether or not it succeeds is of course debatable), I just assumed the Beeb had similar ideas.

Your best point is of course about hindsight, it's always the clearest form of sight.
 
2013-10-06 12:37:09 PM

No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats mindlessly destroyed important parts of British culture just to save a few pounds.


Man, the UK really needs to consider becoming relevant to history in an actual real way at some point.

I mention this because the US has something similar that we're upset about, except in our case the lost documents are the design documents for a bunch of real, functioning space-ships, not an imaginary one.
 
2013-10-06 12:50:55 PM

czetie: And besides, even if everything you said were true -- and it isn't -- it would be disingenuous revisionism at best to castigate the BBC employees who simply did what was routinely done with light entertainment at the time. It's not like they lost the moon landings, or recycled the Elgin Marbles into kitchen countertops.


The only reason they didn't do the same to Monty Python's Flying Circus is that Eric Idle made them sell him the tapes and bought them new ones to use.  That would have been a sad loss.
 
2013-10-06 01:12:58 PM

Jim_Callahan: Man, the UK really needs to consider becoming relevant to history in an actual real way at some point.


Nice.  Very nearly got me.
 
2013-10-06 01:24:41 PM

Jim_Callahan: No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats mindlessly destroyed important parts of British culture just to save a few pounds.

Man, the UK really needs to consider becoming relevant to history in an actual real way at some point.

I mention this because the US has something similar that we're upset about, except in our case the lost documents are the design documents for a bunch of real, functioning space-ships, not an imaginary one.


they actually do have all the drawings. what they dont have is the technical background and revision notes. all those rockets were custum, hand fabricated pieces of machinery. that's why they need to reverse engineer everything. all the electronics were hand made componant boards, there were no IC's back then. everything was electro-mechanical
 
2013-10-06 01:48:54 PM
old e-mail scam.
how much money will they have to send to pay the taxes?
 
2013-10-06 01:55:47 PM
Cerebral Knievel:
they actually do have all the drawings. what they dont have is the technical background and revision notes. all those rockets were custum, hand fabricated pieces of machinery. that's why they need to reverse engineer everything. all the electronics were hand made componant boards, there were no IC's back then. everything was electro-mechanical

Actually, the Apollo guidance computer was the first to use ICs. Two NAND gates per chip!
 
2013-10-06 02:18:30 PM
DemonEater: The only reason they didn't do the same to Monty Python's Flying Circus is that Eric Idle made them sell him the tapes and bought them new ones to use.  That would have been a sad loss.

True?  That shifts my Favorite Python from Michael Palin to Eric Idle.  Still don't think I'd like to hang with Eric, but that was a class move that scores him a truckload or respect.
 
2013-10-06 02:52:33 PM

dionysusaur: True? That shifts my Favorite Python from Michael Palin to Eric Idle. Still don't think I'd like to hang with Eric, but that was a class move that scores him a truckload or respect.


Actually I misremembered.

It was Terry Gilliam.
 
2013-10-06 02:53:34 PM
What do you call an Ethiopian with 100 DW episodes?

Showoff.
 
2013-10-06 03:33:52 PM

DemonEater: dionysusaur: True? That shifts my Favorite Python from Michael Palin to Eric Idle. Still don't think I'd like to hang with Eric, but that was a class move that scores him a truckload or respect.

Actually I misremembered.

It was Terry Gilliam.


It was GIlliam because -as an animator- he'd gotten to know people in the BBC techinical and special effects departments.  He bought them new tapes, took the old ones (with the Python master on them) home, put them in the attic and forgot about them.

Until a couple years later, when the BBC came looking for them.  The end result is that the Pythons own their own TV show, something which was unheard of until much more recently (Lucy notwithstanding).
 
2013-10-06 09:53:23 PM

Anonymous Bosch: czetie: No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats ordinary people mindlessly destroyed recycled materials following standard procedures important parts of British culture ephemeral records of a minor TV show that seems a lot more important in hindsight just to save a few pounds to stay within budget, at a time when much television was broadcast live and is lost anyway and recordings were routinely recycled. If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches Rembrandt's cocktail napkins, not intrinsically very interesting and valuable only as a marker of time past in a trunk in your grandma's attic.

FTFY.

They had to pay for the champagne carts on-set somehow.

Source: Blind in One Ear, Patrick Macnee of The Avengers (The British Avengers with hot upper-class chicks in leather, not the Marvel one)


The Avengers was ITV, nothing to do with the BBC. Even big starts of hit BBC shows were lucky to get a sandwich on set. There was a documentary I saw yesterday about a big star appearing on BBCs Morecambe And Wise, a huge hit show that dominated the schedules, who ordered his own Fortnum and Mason hampers to be delivered to the set for his lunch because the BBC supplied lunch was so basic.
 
2013-10-06 09:55:39 PM

No Such Agency: czetie:

All fair points but I think it's odd that a national broadcaster felt that the programming they were producing was essentially "throwaway".  I guess growing up with the CBC and its mandate to produce quality programming that reflects and enriches Canadian culture (whether or not it succeeds is of course debatable), I just assumed the Beeb had similar ideas.

Your best point is of course about hindsight, it's always the clearest form of sight.


I think the main reason was the move to colour where anything B+W was assumed to be of no future value. AFAIK all the missing stuff is B+W.
 
2013-10-07 07:13:40 AM

DemonEater: dionysusaur: True? That shifts my Favorite Python from Michael Palin to Eric Idle. Still don't think I'd like to hang with Eric, but that was a class move that scores him a truckload or respect.

Actually I misremembered.

It was Terry Gilliam.


Terry would probably be a trip to hang with.
 
2013-10-07 05:02:27 PM

Valiente: What do you call an Ethiopian with 100 DW episodes?


Dinner?
 
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