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2013-10-05 08:55:20 PM  
Although I'm very excited to see what Capaldi will bring to the table, this will be a very hard Christmas.
 
2013-10-05 09:00:43 PM  
God, why do I click on i09 links? A three sentence "article" a tweet and some animated gifs. I want my 30 seconds back.
 
2013-10-05 09:16:40 PM  
I can't say I'm sad to see him go. He was OK, but I'm hoping the new guy is better.
 
2013-10-05 09:25:59 PM  
He's been great as the doctor, I will miss him! But that's the beauty of the Doctor... The character is born a new!
 
2013-10-05 09:26:46 PM  
I enjoyed the Smith run like the Tennant run before it. Interested to see the dynamic with the new doctor.
 
2013-10-05 09:27:49 PM  
I can't wait for Peter to cuss out the Daleks.
 
2013-10-05 09:32:07 PM  
I was never particularly a fan of Matt Smith. I think it's ridiculous for the doctor to moan about getting older while his regeneration are getting younger.
 
2013-10-05 09:34:44 PM  
It took me a while to warm up to Matt Smith as the Doctor, but I think he did a good job following up David Tennant, which was a yeoman's task if ever there was one.  Whoever played the part after him was going to have a steep hill to climb, but I think he succeeded more than he didn't.  I like Peter Capaldi, and I can't wait to see how he plays it.  He's older, so maybe he'll take it in a more serious, slightly darker direction...maybe kind of a return to the 9th Doctor in a way.  At least we're guaranteed to not have the companion drooling over themselves because they're in love with him.

Also, I'd love to see if they do anything with the fact that Peter Capaldi appeared in an episode already (Fires of Pompeii).  Maybe have it come to light that he crossed his own timeline to see Donna again because he missed her.
 
2013-10-05 09:36:20 PM  
I liked Matt Smith's Doctor but it's a good time to leave. Really looking forward to see what Capaldi does with the character.

And I hope 11 has time to change before he regenerates.


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2013-10-05 09:43:15 PM  

Coco LaFemme: It took me a while to warm up to Matt Smith as the Doctor, but I think he did a good job following up David Tennant, which was a yeoman's task if ever there was one.  Whoever played the part after him was going to have a steep hill to climb, but I think he succeeded more than he didn't.  I like Peter Capaldi, and I can't wait to see how he plays it.  He's older, so maybe he'll take it in a more serious, slightly darker direction...maybe kind of a return to the 9th Doctor in a way.  At least we're guaranteed to not have the companion drooling over themselves because they're in love with him.


I wasn't really feeling any of the Smith run until The Pandorica Opens. It probably helped with that being the episode when the writers finally decided to let Rory have a personality...

And the Ninth is my favorite Doctor (followed by the Eighth from the Big Finish Eighth Doctor Adventures). The Tenth was only interesting to me during those last few specials. A return to that man-of-action personality would be great. Failing that, an Ace- or River-like companion would help.

I'd also like to see more serialization from episode to episode - less of the "movie poster" theme they had going last year.
 
2013-10-05 09:43:55 PM  
Thank. Farking. GOD! Smith is horrible. No range at all. His angry is the same as his sad which is only offset by a smile for his "whimsical." It's pretty goddamned bad when the companion's boyfriend evokes more emotional response than the main character of the show.
 
2013-10-05 09:45:26 PM  
The Smith/Amy/Rory era never quite did it for me. The new girl doesn't look as if she's much better.
 
2013-10-05 09:46:32 PM  
<grumpycat>Good</grumpycat>

//Don't know if it's him or Moffet, but I've mostly gotten over Doctor Who during his tenure.
///Or it could be the fans who make the show almost unbearable to think about.
 
2013-10-05 09:49:15 PM  
Coco LaFemme:

Also, I'd love to see if they do anything with the fact that Peter Capaldi appeared in an episode already (Fires of Pompeii).  Maybe have it come to light that he crossed his own timeline to see Donna again because he missed her.

Doubt it since Martha Jones (Freema Agyeman) was seen as Adeola Ashodi in "Army of Ghosts" before she later became Tenant's companion.
 
2013-10-05 09:49:23 PM  

bsharitt: <grumpycat>Good</grumpycat>

//Don't know if it's him or Moffet, but I've mostly gotten over Doctor Who during his tenure.
///Or it could be the fans who make the show almost unbearable to think about.


I could care less about the fans, really.  Hopefully all the hormonal teenage girls who were only watching so they could have masturbatory fodder will fark off now that the new guy is 55.  Of course, the fact William Hartnell was 55 when he started back in 1963 is lost on them because they're only watching to drool over Matt Smith.  I can admit that he and David Tennant are attractive men, but if you're only watching for that reason, you're part of the problem.

So if you're lucky, with a new influx of fans interested in an older, less romantically-inclined character, your enjoyment of the show might go up.
 
2013-10-05 09:50:21 PM  

Bslim: The Smith/Amy/Rory era never quite did it for me. The new girl doesn't look as if she's much better.


Yeah, I had high hopes for souffle girl, but she's falling flat as a constant character.
 
2013-10-05 09:50:46 PM  

bsharitt: <grumpycat>Good</grumpycat>

//Don't know if it's him or Moffet, but I've mostly gotten over Doctor Who during his tenure.
///Or it could be the fans who make the show almost unbearable to think about.


I felt the same way about Firefly.

Yes, sometimes fans can ruin the fun. Doctor Who fans vary wildly, though. The worst are the ones who are also super-fans of some other thing, like Bronies or Browncoats, and they combine Doctor Who with the other thing, making both worse.
 
2013-10-05 09:52:05 PM  

tallen702: Coco LaFemme:

Also, I'd love to see if they do anything with the fact that Peter Capaldi appeared in an episode already (Fires of Pompeii).  Maybe have it come to light that he crossed his own timeline to see Donna again because he missed her.

Doubt it since Martha Jones (Freema Agyeman) was seen as Adeola Ashodi in "Army of Ghosts" before she later became Tenant's companion.


I know, and Colin Baker appeared in an episode or two during Peter Davison's run.  I just thought because Donna had the most impact on the Doctor (aside from Rose), it would be nice to think that he did all that just to see her again, especially considering that to save her life, he had to erase all her memories of her time with him.

I mean, it's more likely than not that nothing will come of it, it seemed however, like an interesting plot line for an episode.
 
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2013-10-05 09:53:12 PM  

eddievercetti: I can't wait for Peter to cuss out the Daleks.


After watching "In The Loop" I'm wishing he would be that character as the Doctor.  Uncensored.  Just for the lols.
 
2013-10-05 09:57:41 PM  

Boe: eddievercetti: I can't wait for Peter to cuss out the Daleks.

After watching "In The Loop" I'm wishing he would be that character as the Doctor.  Uncensored.  Just for the lols.


If only the 12th Doctor's catchphrase could be "farkity bye."  Either that, or whenever Clara (or whoever the new companion is after her) is straggling back to the TARDIS, he can say "Come the fark in or fark the fark off."

Of course, Malcolm Tucker as The Doctor would not make it a kid's show anymore, but maybe one season of adults-0nly fare wouldn't hurt.  LOL
 
2013-10-05 10:04:26 PM  

Coco LaFemme: bsharitt: <grumpycat>Good</grumpycat>

//Don't know if it's him or Moffet, but I've mostly gotten over Doctor Who during his tenure.
///Or it could be the fans who make the show almost unbearable to think about.

I could care less about the fans, really.  Hopefully all the hormonal teenage girls who were only watching so they could have masturbatory fodder will fark off now that the new guy is 55.  Of course, the fact William Hartnell was 55 when he started back in 1963 is lost on them because they're only watching to drool over Matt Smith.  I can admit that he and David Tennant are attractive men, but if you're only watching for that reason, you're part of the problem.

So if you're lucky, with a new influx of fans interested in an older, less romantically-inclined character, your enjoyment of the show might go up.


I made the mistake of visiting the Doctor Who section of reddit and other similar places. *shudder* I'll probably still watch it since it's one of about 4 shows I actually keep up with, but I definitely won't be looking to the internet for discussions about the show anymore.
 
2013-10-05 10:09:00 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Also, I'd love to see if they do anything with the fact that Peter Capaldi appeared in an episode already (Fires of Pompeii).  Maybe have it come to light that he crossed his own timeline to see Donna again because he missed her.


He was also in Torchwood:  Children of Earth.
 
2013-10-05 10:10:16 PM  
Considering Doctor Who has always been a kids' show, I still enjoy it though the science fiction parts are really stretched and inconsistent over the years. Matt did a wonderful job through his run. He will be missed.

Oh, I've been watching the show since the Tom Baker days when I was stationed in England. You know, when they only had 3 channels: BBC 1 & 2 plus ITV .
 
2013-10-05 10:11:45 PM  

tallen702: Bslim: The Smith/Amy/Rory era never quite did it for me. The new girl doesn't look as if she's much better.

Yeah, I had high hopes for souffle girl, but she's falling flat as a constant character.


What a farking waste. They need to shape that character, pronto. Either that or 86 her and bring in somebody with some purpose. Make it a mature woman, make it a dude that acts as a Watson to the Doctor's Holmes, make it a Golden Retriever. Just lay off the bimbos for a while.
 
2013-10-05 10:21:27 PM  
About friggin' time. I loved Ecceleston & Tennant, but Smith was too damned chirpy for me. I honestly hope Capaldi brings better chops.
 
2013-10-05 10:25:31 PM  
Is this a House spinnoff?
 
2013-10-05 10:28:42 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Boe: eddievercetti: I can't wait for Peter to cuss out the Daleks.

After watching "In The Loop" I'm wishing he would be that character as the Doctor.  Uncensored.  Just for the lols.

If only the 12th Doctor's catchphrase could be "farkity bye."  Either that, or whenever Clara (or whoever the new companion is after her) is straggling back to the TARDIS, he can say "Come the fark in or fark the fark off."

Of course, Malcolm Tucker as The Doctor would not make it a kid's show anymore, but maybe one season of adults-0nly fare wouldn't hurt.  LOL


Outtakes.  Let's hope for outtakes.  Also, people will dub in lines over Doctor footage.
 
2013-10-05 10:28:45 PM  

listernine: Is this a House spinnoff?


No, the TARDIS killed House
 
2013-10-05 10:30:10 PM  

listernine: Is this a House spinnoff?


Actually there is at least one top tier "House" style antihero show: "Rake" from Australia. Actually, comparing it to "House" is doing it a disservice, it's actually FAR better.
 
2013-10-05 10:33:31 PM  

listernine: Is this a House spinnoff?


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2013-10-05 10:38:46 PM  
I just wish it was Moffat regenerating instead.  The episode format has gotten so stale under his run.  He's too focused on the monsters and not enough on the story.  Monsters like the Whispermen, the Vigil, and whatever that thing was at the end of "The Power of Three" felt like they were shoehorned in at the last minute because apparently the episode absolutely NEEDS to have some kind of monster chasing the Doctor around, even though the story can get on just fine without them.

I've been re-watching the episodes from Nine and Ten's era and had almost forgotten there was a time when the monsters actually had motives other than "stand around and be scary".  Say what you want about the Slitheen, at least they had personality and a goal, compared to things like the the Snowmen, who just sit there and growl and that is literally all there is to them.

I'm just afraid Twelve is going to be more of the same.
 
2013-10-05 10:48:47 PM  
Series 8 for a rumoured autumn 2014 broadcast

:(

I don't think I like their release schedule of six episodes every 1.5 years.
If they continue like that, they can hire George RR Martin as head writer and still be on schedule.
 
2013-10-05 10:49:56 PM  
You know, I didn't actually like "The Thick of It" that much.

If it weren't billed as a comedy, I'd never know it. I get that it's a comedy far more the way that "The Office" is a comedy than, say, a three-camera sitcom with a studio audience, but it all seemed kind of desperate and awkward. Unless you take the fact that it's a comedy on its face, it comes across as almost tragic. By the same token, you could bill Breaking Bad as a comedy. I got more laughs out of any given episode of Downton Abbey.

The shaky-cam has also been pretty much done into the ground. I get that we all embrace the whole naturalism of it - oo isn't it just like being there - but a lot of shows have picked up the shaky-cam without understanding why better shows use it, and often run it up to eleven, making their show look like something Abraham Zapruder might have shot. "Hey, such-and-so show uses shaky-cam, and it's awesome, so let's use even MORE shaky-cam, then we'll be even more awesome!" Remember, it isn't awesome unless your viewers are carsick. There were times when the cameraman actually seemed to have trouble keeping the performers in the frame.
 
2013-10-05 10:50:32 PM  
I was kind of fond of matt smith as the doctor. He could get pretty feisty at times and that was nice. I always enjoy seeing the parts where something pisses off the doctor.
 
2013-10-05 10:54:02 PM  

Pawn takes the King: Although I'm very excited to see what Capaldi will bring to the table, this will be a very hard Christmas.


agreed
 
2013-10-05 11:00:34 PM  

Pawn takes the King: Although I'm very excited to see what Capaldi will bring to the table, this will be a very hard Christmas.


Yeah, I wonder who Julian Fellowes is going to kill off this year on Downton Abbey.
 
2013-10-05 11:09:16 PM  

Fast Moon: I just wish it was Moffat regenerating instead.  The episode format has gotten so stale under his run.  He's too focused on the monsters and not enough on the story.  Monsters like the Whispermen, the Vigil, and whatever that thing was at the end of "The Power of Three" felt like they were shoehorned in at the last minute because apparently the episode absolutely NEEDS to have some kind of monster chasing the Doctor around, even though the story can get on just fine without them.

I've been re-watching the episodes from Nine and Ten's era and had almost forgotten there was a time when the monsters actually had motives other than "stand around and be scary".  Say what you want about the Slitheen, at least they had personality and a goal, compared to things like the the Snowmen, who just sit there and growl and that is literally all there is to them.

I'm just afraid Twelve is going to be more of the same.


There was some really crap writing, but some really brilliant stuff too.  I grew to really like Matt Smith, but Rory MADE those seasons. I mean, I would watch The Rory Show.
 
2013-10-05 11:12:58 PM  
I always feel a bit of trepidation whenever it's time for a new Doctor to step in. I was really bummed when David Tennant's run was over but Matt Smith has been an absolute pleasure to watch and I really enjoyed his run as the Doctor.

I hope the new guy does well.
 
2013-10-05 11:17:18 PM  
Found this while searching to find out when the next season starts:

106 old episodes found in Ethiopia.  Possibly including some lost episodes.

We'll see if it pans out.  Would be awesome announcement for the 50th if so.
 
2013-10-05 11:37:10 PM  

fusillade762: God, why do I click on i09 links? A three sentence "article" a tweet and some animated gifs. I want my 30 seconds back.


But it was such an informative article!

/Ric Romero now works for io9

DemonEater: Found this while searching to find out when the next season starts:

106 old episodes found in Ethiopia.  Possibly including some lost episodes.

We'll see if it pans out.  Would be awesome announcement for the 50th if so.


That's a weeks/months-old story. If it was gonna be verified, I'd've thought so by now.
 
2013-10-05 11:45:56 PM  

PanicMan: There was some really crap writing, but some really brilliant stuff too.  I grew to really like Matt Smith, but Rory MADE those seasons. I mean, I would watch The Rory Show.


All four of them (The Doctor, Amy, Rory, and River) really really made the show some of the best episodes of Dr. Who ever.  Some people like to hate on the relationship, but it was unique and fresh.  It broke the mold on a show with decades of history.

Like directly addressing the dangers of being a companion, something which was only briefly hit with the death ofAdric, but was better expanded with Seasons 5/6.  Or the whole romantic angle between The Doctor and Amy (briefly), Rory and Amy, and ultimately The Doctor and River.  It was a deconstruction that was badly needed with all of the crap that RTD did with The Master, Bad Wolf, fixed points, and other half-baked ideas from the other Nu Who seasons.

And then Moffat gets lazy and full of himself with Season 7.  It's like Sherlock.  The first season is epic and outstanding.  The second one is so over the top that I don't even know how the hell he's going to explain that last episode.
 
2013-10-05 11:51:54 PM  
I'm still mad that Betty White was passed over for the new doctor
 
2013-10-05 11:53:17 PM  

Coco LaFemme: It took me a while to warm up to Matt Smith as the Doctor, but I think he did a good job following up David Tennant, which was a yeoman's task if ever there was one.  Whoever played the part after him was going to have a steep hill to climb, but I think he succeeded more than he didn't.  I like Peter Capaldi, and I can't wait to see how he plays it.  He's older, so maybe he'll take it in a more serious, slightly darker direction...maybe kind of a return to the 9th Doctor in a way.  At least we're guaranteed to not have the companion drooling over themselves because they're in love with him.

Also, I'd love to see if they do anything with the fact that Peter Capaldi appeared in an episode already (Fires of Pompeii).  Maybe have it come to light that he crossed his own timeline to see Donna again because he missed her.


Are you suggesting then that Colin Baker's Sixth Doctor crossed his timeline to have Peter Davison's Fifth Doctor executed (Ark of Infinity)?
 
2013-10-06 12:05:23 AM  

blue_2501: PanicMan:  The first season is epic and outstanding.  The second one is so over the top that I don't even know how the hell he's going to explain that last episode.


I think the complexity of the first season confused a lot of the audience (especially the younger ones) - what the the coats (I read comments online about shoddy production - in the end it turned out to be one of the keys to the resolution of the season arc), the TARDIS explosion that was never outright explained (though it's pretty obvious how it happened if you watched closely) and so forth. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the BBC were concerned that the show in its present form was beginning to alienate their core audience (despite middle aged fanboys like myself, this is still, at its core, meant to be a kids/YA show) and told him to simplify his plots and dumb things down a bit.
 
2013-10-06 12:50:47 AM  
With filming of Doctor Who Christmas special complete, Matt Smiths work is done

You might say it's a "fixed point in time".
 
2013-10-06 02:04:13 AM  
So, wait.

Now that the 12th Doctor is here, does this mean the series will end when he leaves the show? The Doctor only has 12 regenerations.
 
2013-10-06 02:05:28 AM  

Snapper Carr: I think the complexity of the first season confused a lot of the audience (especially the younger ones) - what the the coats (I read comments online about shoddy production - in the end it turned out to be one of the keys to the resolution of the season arc), the TARDIS explosion that was never outright explained (though it's pretty obvious how it happened if you watched closely) and so forth. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the BBC were concerned that the show in its present form was beginning to alienate their core audience (despite middle aged fanboys like myself, this is still, at its core, meant to be a kids/YA show) and told him to simplify his plots and dumb things down a bit.


Actually, I was referring to Season 1 and 2 of Sherlock in that paragraph.

In terms of Dr. Who, I wasn't too impressed with Nu Who seasons prior to Matt Smith.  It had its moments and cool episodes, but RTD always pushed in some cheesy or cliched matter and expect the audience to just say "Well, this is Dr. Who after all... it's supposed to be cheesy and act like a B-rated sci-fi series."
 
2013-10-06 02:11:18 AM  

hardinparamedic: So, wait.

Now that the 12th Doctor is here, does this mean the series will end when he leaves the show? The Doctor only has 12 regenerations.


Well River gave him all her regens in Let's Kill Hitler, they didn't say how many, but yeah.
 
2013-10-06 02:32:24 AM  

hardinparamedic: So, wait.

Now that the 12th Doctor is here, does this mean the series will end when he leaves the show? The Doctor only has 12 regenerations.



Why does this question keep coming up? It's been covered. MANY ways.

1. The Time War. All the Timelords are dead. The High Council were the ones putting restrictions on regenerations (clearly, because they were able to give or take them as they saw fit). The Master has gone WAY past his original allotment simply by cheating, stealing, and making deals with the High Council. With the Timelords dead, there's nothing setting any restrictions for the Doctor anymore.

2. River used all her regenerations to save the Doctor, too. He may have benefited by this.

3. It's entirely likely that the Doctor received more regenerations prior to the Time War, seeing as he was the Timelords' greatest weapon. They probably loaded him up and sent him to finish the job.

4. Since the new series began, he has been entirely vague about there being any limits whatsoever on his regenerations, and in fact has (jokingly?) said he had 507 regenerations on the Sarah Jane Adventures.

5. IT DOESN'T MATTER, ultimately. He has as many regenerations as he needs for the show to keep going.
 
2013-10-06 02:36:38 AM  

hardinparamedic: So, wait.

Now that the 12th Doctor is here, does this mean the series will end when he leaves the show? The Doctor only has 12 regenerations.


Oh, and he's not really the 12th. He's actually #13 if you count all of them we've seen so far (and not counting the Shalka Doctor or Children in Need Doctors). Don't forget the Valeyard existed, as well as Hurt's true 9th Doctor.
 
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