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2013-10-05 04:38:10 PM  
A western version of that would be a "reality" show I'd sure as hell watch. M1A2 Abrams vs. Leopard 2 A6 vs. Challenger II vs. AMX-56 Le Clerc vs. Merkhava 4, test them on mobility and endurance and spotting and gunnery with all weapons, place your bets. Replace the standard tank gunnery targets like the Russians are using (APFSDS just leaves a hole) with things that blow up reeeel good.

Someone hurry up and do that, that would be serious fun.
 
2013-10-05 04:42:42 PM  
i just think that it's a bit terrifying that tanks in russia are built with the crew inside. wild. kind of like iron man, but with 5 guys. now i want a burger.
 
2013-10-05 04:45:23 PM  
plus, the rainbow paint schemes remind me of something, but i can't quite put my finger in it.
 
2013-10-05 07:32:22 PM  
Why was the HL dumbed down?
 
2013-10-05 08:07:00 PM  
Speaking as an ex-tanker, I don't understand Russian and I didn't watch all of it so maybe I'm missing something, but these guys don't seem to be great tankers

All movement was without gun stabilization- just stick the barrel high and drive.  (Or low, as one tank had in the start, which is a really good way to ram the barrel into a ditch wall and ruin your whole day)  Driving was along roads, many of them paved with no real terrain to work the gun barrel around.  Over and over they didn't secure the hatches leaving them to flap around.

Every target was stationary, all gunnery was stationary, the targets didn't even pop up.  The ranges looked pretty short and they still missed occasionally.  Time between rounds (when there weren't camera cuts) was *really* long- Russian autoloaders are a lot slower than humans but even so it seemed slow.

Anyone familiar with the show understand it better than me?
 
2013-10-05 08:22:16 PM  
I get the impression that part of the contest was time versus marksmanship: you got time taken off your run around the course if you only needed one shot on the target. If you missed the shot, you had to get out of the tank and load more ammo, losing time.   I'm guessing you could choose to take on more shells, if you traded time on the clock as a handicap. This seems like a practical way in non-combat conditions to simulate the stress of combat performance, where speed AND accuracy are what kills the other guy and keeps you alive.
 
2013-10-05 08:41:44 PM  

vossiewulf: A western version of that would be a "reality" show I'd sure as hell watch. M1A2 Abrams vs. Leopard 2 A6 vs. Challenger II vs. AMX-56 Le Clerc vs. Merkhava 4, test them on mobility and endurance and spotting and gunnery with all weapons, place your bets. Replace the standard tank gunnery targets like the Russians are using (APFSDS just leaves a hole) with things that blow up reeeel good.

Someone hurry up and do that, that would be serious fun.


This. C'mon Burnett, get on it.
 
2013-10-05 09:01:14 PM  
Their animation guys forgot to rifle the tank's barrel in the opening sequence.  Tsk tsk.
 
2013-10-05 09:24:19 PM  

timujin: Their animation guys forgot to rifle the tank's barrel in the opening sequence.  Tsk tsk.


Possibly because the T-90 is armed with a 125mm smoothbore. Pretty sure only the Challenger II is still using a rifled gun among modern MBTs. Never been sure how they maintain the accuracy with HEAT rounds but with the anti-armor rounds, they're almost all fin-stabilized sub-caliber penetrators, basically little arrows that don't need spin stabilization.
 
2013-10-05 09:34:50 PM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Speaking as an ex-tanker, I don't understand Russian and I didn't watch all of it so maybe I'm missing something, but these guys don't seem to be great tankers


If you're an ex-tanker you should know that individual crew skill has never been a focus of their doctrine. It's hordes of fast medium tanks with autoloaders (fewer crew mean more tanks) backed up by ungodly amounts of artillery, ATGM carriers, and tactical air support. they haven't fought a real war since the Great Patriotic War so they're still conceptually fighting that conflict, the T-90 is really just a super-upgraded T-34/85.
 
2013-10-05 09:54:51 PM  

vossiewulf: timujin: Their animation guys forgot to rifle the tank's barrel in the opening sequence.  Tsk tsk.

Possibly because the T-90 is armed with a 125mm smoothbore. Pretty sure only the Challenger II is still using a rifled gun among modern MBTs. Never been sure how they maintain the accuracy with HEAT rounds but with the anti-armor rounds, they're almost all fin-stabilized sub-caliber penetrators, basically little arrows that don't need spin stabilization.


well there you go, um... thanks
 
2013-10-05 10:04:51 PM  

vossiewulf: timujin: Their animation guys forgot to rifle the tank's barrel in the opening sequence.  Tsk tsk.

Possibly because the T-90 is armed with a 125mm smoothbore. Pretty sure only the Challenger II is still using a rifled gun among modern MBTs. Never been sure how they maintain the accuracy with HEAT rounds but with the anti-armor rounds, they're almost all fin-stabilized sub-caliber penetrators, basically little arrows that don't need spin stabilization.


HEAT rounds are fin stabilized as well.  They have to be- rotating the round disrupts the shaped charge's jet.  I'm not sure of the exact name, but I have a spin decoupler from a practice HEAT round I picked up off the range on my desk as a pencil holder- it's basically a large nut that rides the grooves in the rifling while unscrewing from the back of the HEAT round.  (The front rides on a slipping plastic band)

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2013-10-05 10:07:18 PM  

vossiewulf: Glockenspiel Hero: Speaking as an ex-tanker, I don't understand Russian and I didn't watch all of it so maybe I'm missing something, but these guys don't seem to be great tankers

If you're an ex-tanker you should know that individual crew skill has never been a focus of their doctrine. It's hordes of fast medium tanks with autoloaders (fewer crew mean more tanks) backed up by ungodly amounts of artillery, ATGM carriers, and tactical air support. they haven't fought a real war since the Great Patriotic War so they're still conceptually fighting that conflict, the T-90 is really just a super-upgraded T-34/85.


Of course- we were always taught to target the tank with the antennas since they were big on central command and control + overwhelming by numbers.  Still, I'd have thought they were better than what I saw in the video, since I'm assuming those are the best of the best
 
2013-10-05 11:23:50 PM  
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2013-10-06 01:06:33 AM  

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LOL!
 
2013-10-06 02:06:36 AM  
COME ON YOU BASTARDS
 
2013-10-06 03:20:27 AM  
Glockenspiel Hero:

Of course- we were always taught to target the tank with the antennas since they were big on central command and control + overwhelming by numbers.  Still, I'd have thought they were better than what I saw in the video, since I'm assuming those are the best of the best

I vaguely remember from a while back a few details of this competition, one of them being they accept several handicaps in regards to the tank in order to minimize the role tech plays in the competition.  If we were to join, for example, we couldn't take anything newer than an M60.

I can't find the source for that, but here is some more info.http://www.dailytech.com/Russia+Invites+US+to+2014+Tank+Olympics /artic le33175.htm
 
2013-10-06 03:47:32 PM  
Single most stupid video I've seen about military equipment.   Those boxes on the tanks?   Those are fake.
See that water draining in through the hatch?   That is a MAJOR FAILURE of the tank.

This was all just a scam show, you can bet those tanks had brand new engines and transmissions in them.
 
2013-10-07 04:42:23 AM  
Tank Biathlon, subby.

Some notes:
1. Russian tankers are some seriously short mofos.
2. The announcer sarcastically "praising" the red tank mechanic-driver's skill was almost as priceless as their marksmanship.
3. Because of 2. above, at least the running commentary was less boring than for a Nascar race or a soccer game.
4. I'm not sure who was experiencing more pain - their expert demonstrating and explaining the tasks, targets, course, and obstacles, or me watching him get stuck each time he tried to pass through the TC hatch.
 
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