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(Toronto Star)   World's laziest scientists haven't yet evaluated the effectiveness of the new HPV vaccine because they're "waiting for the first cohort of girls to become sexually active - they're about 19 years old now"   (thestar.com) divider line 16
    More: Fail, HPV, Human sexual activity, HPV Vaccine, Becky Maddigan, vaccination programs, Brampton, adverse effect, value for money  
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2013-10-05 05:11:59 PM
7 votes:
Most 19 year old girls aren't sexual active, they just lie there motionless, like their mothers.
2013-10-05 05:50:41 PM
4 votes:

ZAZ: The vaccine costs $500.


The vaccine is sold for $500.

It costs a lot less than that.
2013-10-05 08:29:10 PM
3 votes:
1.  This is a vaccine that can prevent several different types of cancer.  It should be given to as many as want it.  I know that cervical cancer and throat cancer and the others are not as prevalent as polio but that vaccination program was free and it worked.  Being an olde phart, I remember friends living in iron lungs.  Kids today, fortunately, don't even know what the hell an iron lung is.

2.  Merck spent a ton of money (more than Jonas Salk and his compatriots ever had to spend to get polio vaccines approved) to prove the efficacy of this vaccine.  They should be compensated.  Let's have all of the governments interested in providing protection for their youngsters kick in a couple million each to cover the cost, pay a nominal dividend to the stockholders and then cut loose every drug company that wants a shot at developing the vaccine compete on the open market.  Watch the price drop like a rock.  Have those same governments that funded the "patent buyout" be able to negotiate the best price with whichever company they choose, based on volume required and projections of needs.

3.  Convince religious fundamentalists that HPV, even though it is commonly spread via sexual activity, can also be spread via any number of other means, including Bible study with older adults who weren't  vaccinated as youngsters.

4.  Watch the targeted cervical, throat, mouth, and other cancers go the way of polio and smallpox.

/and if they wanted data on this study earlier, they should have administered the vaccine to Catholic schoolgirls and Protestant Preachers' daughters.  They'd have 6 years of data by the time they reached the age of 19.  Not that I'd know anything about that from my distant past.
2013-10-05 08:24:18 PM
2 votes:

varmitydog: Wait.........three out of every four Canadians has a venereal disease?
I figure that the mom in TFA has it since she is so eager to get her kid a shot for it.


Yes. A vast majority of people have or have had HPV. It often shows no symptoms and there is not even a test for it in males unless visible warts are present (most people who carry it do not have the warts). I know nothing about you, but statistically speaking, if you're having sex, you most likely have it.
2013-10-05 08:05:42 PM
2 votes:

sheep snorter: Lets see.... GOV Rick Perry's best bud made billions of dollars off of Perry forcing high school sluts to be injected and billions of dollars more by then forcing high school boy sluts to get injected with the vaccine, even though its chances of death or other, was quite high and maybe violated medical ethics laws.


OK, let's play "count the factual inaccuracies".  the HPV vaccine was not mandatory for anyone, males or females.  It does not have any significant side effects, other than being one of the more painful of the vaccinations..  There's very few examples of "reportable adverse effects".  As far as I know, nobody has died from it.

On the other hand, getting boys and girls vaccinated with the entire Gardasil course will totally prevent them from acquiring the strains of HPV which are responsible for about 80 percent of cases of cervical cancer, and a few cases of mouth and throat cancer in guys.  I got my kids the shots the first week my insurer would pay for them.  At least I know my daughter is protected from that cancer, and my son's unable to GIVE HPV to a girl which might cause her to develop cervical cancer.

Florida's governor is a criminal, a scumbag, and involved in a multibillion dollar medical fraud.  But this particular situation was not it.
2013-10-05 07:42:50 PM
2 votes:

iron de havilland: meanmutton: iron de havilland: ZAZ: The vaccine costs $500.

The vaccine is sold for $500.

It costs a lot less than that.

So get farkig insurance and then it's free.

Meh. I've just posted in another thread about how farked up America's healthcare system is.

I won't repeat it, but Americans do seem to enjoy putting Americans through all sorts of pain and suffering for what is a cornerstone of most developed societies.

You sick fark.


Ok, I'll develop this a little bit.

I've been on various medications for the past couple of years. Upfront cost? 0.

As I posted in the other thread, the NHS got my mother through breast cancer. Upfront cost? 0.

Any of my friends who have to take prescription drugs regularly? Upfront cost? Well, it may cost a tenner or so in England and Wales, actually. Not sure about that.

And I'll repeat: The NHS is not perfect. But I log in to the innerwebz and so many Americans complain about how awful the healthcare they suffer is. They fund so many public projects with their taxes, but are unwilling to fund something that every American would benefit from.

Weirdos.
2013-10-05 06:53:04 PM
2 votes:

BumpInTheNight: You know what, I'm not going to keep reading through paragraphs of some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer just to figure out what the hell subby is smoking.


You do realize that sexually active men are the main vector for the spread of HPV, and HPV causes penile cancer, correct?
2013-10-05 04:43:08 PM
2 votes:

BumpInTheNight: some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer


o_O

Is.. are you for real?
2013-10-05 08:55:39 PM
1 votes:
I had a thing for this Canadian teenager

www.sydlexia.com
2013-10-05 08:28:39 PM
1 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Speaking as someone who does cost-benefit analyses which include the cost of a human life, I can help you out with your calc. It's approximately $1 million.


It would be nice if we had some sort of policy (official or even unofficial) that says what a human life is worth.  Not what insurance companies are deciding behind closed doors, but out in the open for everyone to discuss.  It drives me up a wall when the govt. makes a law to save lives, but it costs 7 billion dollars and is projected to save 20 lives over the next 50 years.  When you think of what we could do with that 300 million, is saving a 47 year old auto mechanic in Cleveland in 2034 really the best use of that money?  Yeah, it sucks for him and his family, but $300 million would feed a lot of starving orphans (or whatever).  It sounds heartless, but public policy would be so much better if we put a value on deciding if it is worth it to save a life.  Of course, people are too squeamish to have a rational discussion about this.

/It would probably be set way too high or way too low.  -
2013-10-05 08:03:36 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: And when determining the cost-effectiveness of a vaccine, it's important to remember how costly HPV is, she says, adding diagnosing and treating related infections costs the Canadian health care system more than $300 million each year.

There are a half million Canadians per year. The vaccine costs $500. Effectiveness against the four targeted strains is 56%; let's say it cuts expenses by a half because the many non-targeted strains are less important. So they are talking about spending $250 million per year to save $150 million per year. Add in value of life saved and maybe the vaccine is cost neutral. I don't see a strong case for aggressively promoting it, unless you own shares in Merck.


Speaking as someone who does cost-benefit analyses which include the cost of a human life, I can help you out with your calc. It's approximately $1 million.
2013-10-05 07:49:49 PM
1 votes:
iron de havilland:

Ok, I'll develop this a little bit.

I've been on various medications for the past couple of years. Upfront cost? 0.

As I posted in the other thread, the NHS got my mother through breast cancer. Upfront cost? 0.

Any of my friends who have to take prescription drugs regularly? Upfront cost? Well, it may cost a tenner or so in England and Wales, actually. Not sure about that.

And I'll repeat: The NHS is not perfect. But I log in to the innerwebz and so many Americans complain about how awful the healthcare they suffer is. They fund so many public projects with their taxes, but are unwilling to fund something that every American would benefit from.

Weirdos.


Spending money on health care might limit the number of foreign brown people we can kill.  Another reason is Jesus.
2013-10-05 07:11:04 PM
1 votes:

Occam's Disposable Razor: ZAZ:  Effectiveness against the four targeted strains is 56%;

ZAZ:  (The reason I say probably instead of definitely is we don't know for sure what the long term consequence of the 56% reduction in infection is. An obvious guess is a uniform 56% reduction in HPV-related disease, but the reduction could be anywhere from near 0 to near 100%.)

It works better than that. You obviously like this 56% number, where's it from?


Because the FDA says this:

What does Gardasil protect against?
The vaccine is effective against HPV types 16 and 18 which cause approximately 70% of cervical cancers, and against HPV types 6 and 11 which cause approximately 90% of genital warts.
Does Gardasil protect against all HPVs?
Gardasil is expected to prevent up to 70% of cervical cancers, because they are due to HPV types against which the vaccine is directed. However, it does not protect against the types of HPV that are not included in the vaccine, which can also cause some cancers. Furthermore, women aren't protected if they have already been infected with the HPV types(s) that are covered by the vaccine prior to vaccination.
How well does Gardasil work?
Four multinational studies were conducted to show how well Gardasil worked in women between the ages of 16 and 26 by giving them either the vaccine or placebo. The results showed that in women who had not already been infected with the type of HPV contained in the vaccine, Gardasil was nearly 100 percent effective in preventing precancerous cervical lesions, precancerous vaginal and vulvar lesions and genital warts caused by infection with the HPV types against which the vaccine is directed . It is believed that prevention of cervical precancerous lesions is highly likely to result in the prevention of those cancers.
Two studies were also performed to measure the immune response to the vaccine among younger females aged 9-15 years. Their immune response was similar to that found in 16-26 year olds, indicating that the vaccine should have similar effectiveness when used in the 9-15 year age group.
It is important to note that Gardasil did not protect against HPV types that are not in the vaccine.


56% sounds like a BS talking point.
2013-10-05 06:55:12 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: So they are talking about spending $250 million per year to save $150 million per year. Add in value of life saved and maybe the vaccine is cost neutral. I don't see a strong case for aggressively promoting it, unless you own shares in Merck.


Cuz if saving people from cancer costs $1.00 or more, it's totally not worthwhile.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 05:56:58 PM
1 votes:
costermonger

I'm comparing vaccinating nobody vs. vaccinating everybody. There isn't enough cost savings in the whole population to make prevention cheaper than treatment.

And iron de havilland does have a point. If the vaccine were nationalized via a mandatory cost-plus contract, and could be delivered for $100 per person, offering the vaccine to everybody would be a good idea.
2013-10-05 04:40:44 PM
1 votes:
You know what, I'm not going to keep reading through paragraphs of some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer just to figure out what the hell subby is smoking.
 
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