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(Toronto Star)   World's laziest scientists haven't yet evaluated the effectiveness of the new HPV vaccine because they're "waiting for the first cohort of girls to become sexually active - they're about 19 years old now"   (thestar.com) divider line 91
    More: Fail, HPV, Human sexual activity, HPV Vaccine, Becky Maddigan, vaccination programs, Brampton, adverse effect, value for money  
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2013-10-05 04:30:03 PM
www.cyclonefanatic.com
 
2013-10-05 04:35:35 PM
I can help with this.  For science.
 
2013-10-05 04:40:44 PM
You know what, I'm not going to keep reading through paragraphs of some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer just to figure out what the hell subby is smoking.
 
2013-10-05 04:43:08 PM

BumpInTheNight: some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer


o_O

Is.. are you for real?
 
2013-10-05 04:52:54 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what, I'm not going to keep reading through paragraphs of some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer just to figure out what the hell subby is smoking.

Um...

*confused Malcolm Reynolds gif*
 
2013-10-05 05:11:59 PM
Most 19 year old girls aren't sexual active, they just lie there motionless, like their mothers.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 05:15:11 PM
And when determining the cost-effectiveness of a vaccine, it's important to remember how costly HPV is, she says, adding diagnosing and treating related infections costs the Canadian health care system more than $300 million each year.

There are a half million Canadians per year. The vaccine costs $500. Effectiveness against the four targeted strains is 56%; let's say it cuts expenses by a half because the many non-targeted strains are less important. So they are talking about spending $250 million per year to save $150 million per year. Add in value of life saved and maybe the vaccine is cost neutral. I don't see a strong case for aggressively promoting it, unless you own shares in Merck.
 
2013-10-05 05:44:14 PM

ZAZ: There are a half million Canadians per year. The vaccine costs $500. Effectiveness against the four targeted strains is 56%; let's say it cuts expenses by a half because the many non-targeted strains are less important. So they are talking about spending $250 million per year to save $150 million per year. Add in value of life saved and maybe the vaccine is cost neutral. I don't see a strong case for aggressively promoting it, unless you own shares in Merck.


The vaccine only goes to the members of that 500,000 who possess a penis. Changes the math a bit.
 
2013-10-05 05:50:41 PM

ZAZ: The vaccine costs $500.


The vaccine is sold for $500.

It costs a lot less than that.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 05:56:58 PM
costermonger

I'm comparing vaccinating nobody vs. vaccinating everybody. There isn't enough cost savings in the whole population to make prevention cheaper than treatment.

And iron de havilland does have a point. If the vaccine were nationalized via a mandatory cost-plus contract, and could be delivered for $100 per person, offering the vaccine to everybody would be a good idea.
 
2013-10-05 06:08:27 PM

ZAZ: costermonger

I'm comparing vaccinating nobody vs. vaccinating everybody. There isn't enough cost savings in the whole population to make prevention cheaper than treatment.

And iron de havilland does have a point. If the vaccine were nationalized via a mandatory cost-plus contract, and could be delivered for $100 per person, offering the vaccine to everybody would be a good idea.


I get what you're saying now. However, it has cost the Ontario government $211 per dose to deliver the vaccine, so in purely economic terms (using your numbers) you're looking at spending $105 million to save $150 million.
 
2013-10-05 06:09:09 PM

costermonger: ZAZ: There are a half million Canadians per year. The vaccine costs $500. Effectiveness against the four targeted strains is 56%; let's say it cuts expenses by a half because the many non-targeted strains are less important. So they are talking about spending $250 million per year to save $150 million per year. Add in value of life saved and maybe the vaccine is cost neutral. I don't see a strong case for aggressively promoting it, unless you own shares in Merck.

The vaccine only goes to the members of that 500,000 who possess a penis. Changes the math a bit.


The vaccine currently goes to the ~250,000 that don't possess a penis. They're talking about funding it for the ~250,000 that do.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 06:29:01 PM
costermonger: it has cost the Ontario government $211 per dose to deliver the vaccine

I missed that part; you have to do math to get it. The $500 is consumer cost is explicit in the article and the quantity discount is not.

We have three plausible policies: vaccinate nobody, vaccinate girls, vaccinate everybody. At $200 per person vaccinating everybody is probably better than vaccinating nobody. But vaccinating girls only still might be more cost effective than vaccinating everybody.

(The reason I say probably instead of definitely is we don't know for sure what the long term consequence of the 56% reduction in infection is. An obvious guess is a uniform 56% reduction in HPV-related disease, but the reduction could be anywhere from near 0 to near 100%.)
 
2013-10-05 06:40:05 PM
Of course they aren't sexually active yet -- people have been waiting until their mid 20's to get married these days.
 
2013-10-05 06:53:04 PM

BumpInTheNight: You know what, I'm not going to keep reading through paragraphs of some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer just to figure out what the hell subby is smoking.


You do realize that sexually active men are the main vector for the spread of HPV, and HPV causes penile cancer, correct?
 
2013-10-05 06:55:12 PM

ZAZ: So they are talking about spending $250 million per year to save $150 million per year. Add in value of life saved and maybe the vaccine is cost neutral. I don't see a strong case for aggressively promoting it, unless you own shares in Merck.


Cuz if saving people from cancer costs $1.00 or more, it's totally not worthwhile.
 
2013-10-05 06:56:35 PM
Lets see.... GOV Rick Perry's best bud made billions of dollars off of Perry forcing high school sluts to be injected and billions of dollars more by then forcing high school boy sluts to get injected with the vaccine, even though its chances of death or other, was quite high and maybe violated medical ethics laws.

/Get off my planet ya greedy pharmaceutical companies.
 
2013-10-05 06:57:09 PM
Cohort of 19 year old girls? I'm sure we can arrange something with a Phalanx of 19 year old fratboys. Then we will have a Legion of sexually active drunk kids.
 
2013-10-05 06:58:58 PM

sheep snorter: the vaccine, even though its chances of death or other, was quite high


I see the renowned epidemiologist, Dr. Michelle Bachmann, has arrived.
 
2013-10-05 07:01:22 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: Most 19 year old girls aren't sexual active, they just lie there motionless, like their mothers.




That's gold
 
2013-10-05 07:04:17 PM
Should have conducted the study in Arkansas.
Would have had 5 years of data by now.
 
2013-10-05 07:04:57 PM
Those girls have been sicking and farking for a solid 5 years now, hate to shatter their chaste image...
 
2013-10-05 07:05:44 PM

sheep snorter: Lets see.... GOV Rick Perry's best bud made billions of dollars off of Perry forcing high school sluts to be injected and billions of dollars more by then forcing high school boy sluts to get injected with the vaccine, even though its chances of death or other, was quite high and maybe violated medical ethics laws.

/Get off my planet ya greedy pharmaceutical companies.


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2013-10-05 07:06:06 PM
hpv also causes genital warts...
 
2013-10-05 07:07:47 PM

bearded clamorer: Should have conducted the study in Arkansas.
Would have had 5 years of data by now.


They prefer to study the effects across a wide genetic pool.
 
2013-10-05 07:09:23 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: Most 19 year old girls aren't sexual active, they just lie there motionless, like their mothers.


At least a 12 year old wiggles when they are trying to get away right?
 
2013-10-05 07:09:28 PM
ZAZ:  Effectiveness against the four targeted strains is 56%;

ZAZ:  (The reason I say probably instead of definitely is we don't know for sure what the long term consequence of the 56% reduction in infection is. An obvious guess is a uniform 56% reduction in HPV-related disease, but the reduction could be anywhere from near 0 to near 100%.)

It works better than that. You obviously like this 56% number, where's it from?
 
2013-10-05 07:11:02 PM
TTIWWP
 
2013-10-05 07:11:04 PM

Occam's Disposable Razor: ZAZ:  Effectiveness against the four targeted strains is 56%;

ZAZ:  (The reason I say probably instead of definitely is we don't know for sure what the long term consequence of the 56% reduction in infection is. An obvious guess is a uniform 56% reduction in HPV-related disease, but the reduction could be anywhere from near 0 to near 100%.)

It works better than that. You obviously like this 56% number, where's it from?


Because the FDA says this:

What does Gardasil protect against?
The vaccine is effective against HPV types 16 and 18 which cause approximately 70% of cervical cancers, and against HPV types 6 and 11 which cause approximately 90% of genital warts.
Does Gardasil protect against all HPVs?
Gardasil is expected to prevent up to 70% of cervical cancers, because they are due to HPV types against which the vaccine is directed. However, it does not protect against the types of HPV that are not included in the vaccine, which can also cause some cancers. Furthermore, women aren't protected if they have already been infected with the HPV types(s) that are covered by the vaccine prior to vaccination.
How well does Gardasil work?
Four multinational studies were conducted to show how well Gardasil worked in women between the ages of 16 and 26 by giving them either the vaccine or placebo. The results showed that in women who had not already been infected with the type of HPV contained in the vaccine, Gardasil was nearly 100 percent effective in preventing precancerous cervical lesions, precancerous vaginal and vulvar lesions and genital warts caused by infection with the HPV types against which the vaccine is directed . It is believed that prevention of cervical precancerous lesions is highly likely to result in the prevention of those cancers.
Two studies were also performed to measure the immune response to the vaccine among younger females aged 9-15 years. Their immune response was similar to that found in 16-26 year olds, indicating that the vaccine should have similar effectiveness when used in the 9-15 year age group.
It is important to note that Gardasil did not protect against HPV types that are not in the vaccine.


56% sounds like a BS talking point.
 
2013-10-05 07:11:34 PM

hardinparamedic: BumpInTheNight: You know what, I'm not going to keep reading through paragraphs of some nutjob trying to justify giving teenage boys a cure to cervical cancer just to figure out what the hell subby is smoking.

You do realize that sexually active men are the main vector for the spread of HPV, and HPV causes penile cancer, correct?


No, no I did not, I knew it'd cause the occasional wart but not male junk cancer too.  If it does then all good I'd change my stance to $500 injections for all.  No one deserves cancer of the junk.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 07:13:42 PM
Occam's Disposable Razor

The 56% figure is in the article:
However, a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, published in the June issue The Journal of Infectious Diseases, showed the vaccine had cut HPV infections by 56 per cent among teenage girls, since its introduction in 2006. (The reduction was among infections from the four strains of HPV the vaccine targets.)
 
2013-10-05 07:15:23 PM
I will volunteer for the greater good of humanity...
 
2013-10-05 07:22:18 PM

ZAZ: Occam's Disposable Razor

The 56% figure is in the article:However, a study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, published in the June issue The Journal of Infectious Diseases, showed the vaccine had cut HPV infections by 56 per cent among teenage girls, since its introduction in 2006. (The reduction was among infections from the four strains of HPV the vaccine targets.)


Thanks, sorry I called it BS - but that study is fantastic news! It works much, much better than "56% effectiveness." From the study:

The study, published in [the June issue of] The Journal of Infectious Diseases  reveals that since the vaccine was introduced in 2006, vaccine-type HPV prevalence decreased 56 percent among female teenagers 14-19 years of age... "This report shows that HPV vaccine works well, and the report should be a wake-up call to our nation to protect the next generation by increasing HPV vaccination rates," said CDC Director Tom Frieden, M.D., M.P.H.  "Unfortunately only one third of girls aged 13-17 have been fully vaccinated with HPV vaccine.

From this link: http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/06/18/infdis.jit192. a bstract

Prevalence has decreased dramatically with one 1/3 being vaccinated. It's badass, $500 is cheap.
 
2013-10-05 07:27:45 PM
$500? I don't use it more than my truck and that was only $300...
 
2013-10-05 07:27:53 PM

iron de havilland: ZAZ: The vaccine costs $500.

The vaccine is sold for $500.

It costs a lot less than that.


So get farkig insurance and then it's free.
 
2013-10-05 07:31:53 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: Most 19 year old girls aren't sexual active, they just lie there motionless, like their mothers.


Well played, sir.
 
2013-10-05 07:33:26 PM

meanmutton: iron de havilland: ZAZ: The vaccine costs $500.

The vaccine is sold for $500.

It costs a lot less than that.

So get farkig insurance and then it's free.


Meh. I've just posted in another thread about how farked up America's healthcare system is.

I won't repeat it, but Americans do seem to enjoy putting Americans through all sorts of pain and suffering for what is a cornerstone of most developed societies.

You sick fark.
 
2013-10-05 07:36:46 PM

KidKorporate: Those girls have been sicking and farking for a solid 5 years now, hate to shatter their chaste image...


You're doing sex wrong.
 
2013-10-05 07:36:51 PM
19 and they aren't sexually active yet? Did they only give it to fat girls or are they having the kids answer that question in front of their parents? Pretty much all teens become sexually active around 14-16.
 
2013-10-05 07:39:01 PM
Vaccinating boys can protect the population of women who are too old to have had the vaccine.
 
2013-10-05 07:39:29 PM

Ambivalence: Vaccinating boys can protect the population of women who are too old to have had the vaccine.


Teachers?
 
2013-10-05 07:40:52 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: Most 19 year old girls aren't sexual active, they just lie there motionless, like their mothers.


Hahahah! +1 swaniefrmdeer
 
2013-10-05 07:40:52 PM
Wait.........three out of every four Canadians has a venereal disease?
I figure that the mom in TFA has it since she is so eager to get her kid a shot for it.
 
2013-10-05 07:42:50 PM

iron de havilland: meanmutton: iron de havilland: ZAZ: The vaccine costs $500.

The vaccine is sold for $500.

It costs a lot less than that.

So get farkig insurance and then it's free.

Meh. I've just posted in another thread about how farked up America's healthcare system is.

I won't repeat it, but Americans do seem to enjoy putting Americans through all sorts of pain and suffering for what is a cornerstone of most developed societies.

You sick fark.


Ok, I'll develop this a little bit.

I've been on various medications for the past couple of years. Upfront cost? 0.

As I posted in the other thread, the NHS got my mother through breast cancer. Upfront cost? 0.

Any of my friends who have to take prescription drugs regularly? Upfront cost? Well, it may cost a tenner or so in England and Wales, actually. Not sure about that.

And I'll repeat: The NHS is not perfect. But I log in to the innerwebz and so many Americans complain about how awful the healthcare they suffer is. They fund so many public projects with their taxes, but are unwilling to fund something that every American would benefit from.

Weirdos.
 
2013-10-05 07:45:39 PM

Ambivalence: Vaccinating boys can protect the population of women who are too old to have had the vaccine.


Vaccinating priests would drop the rate adolescent male rectal cancer significantly as well.
 
2013-10-05 07:47:08 PM

BumpInTheNight: Ambivalence: Vaccinating boys can protect the population of women who are too old to have had the vaccine.

Teachers?


See me after class.
 
2013-10-05 07:49:49 PM
iron de havilland:

Ok, I'll develop this a little bit.

I've been on various medications for the past couple of years. Upfront cost? 0.

As I posted in the other thread, the NHS got my mother through breast cancer. Upfront cost? 0.

Any of my friends who have to take prescription drugs regularly? Upfront cost? Well, it may cost a tenner or so in England and Wales, actually. Not sure about that.

And I'll repeat: The NHS is not perfect. But I log in to the innerwebz and so many Americans complain about how awful the healthcare they suffer is. They fund so many public projects with their taxes, but are unwilling to fund something that every American would benefit from.

Weirdos.


Spending money on health care might limit the number of foreign brown people we can kill.  Another reason is Jesus.
 
2013-10-05 07:53:19 PM

Dinobot: Cohort of 19 year old girls? I'm sure we can arrange something with a Phalanx of 19 year old fratboys. Then we will have a Legion of sexually active drunk kids.


Otherwise known as "college".
 
2013-10-05 07:55:17 PM

BigLuca: Spending money on health care might limit the number of foreign brown people we can kill.  Another reason is Jesus.


It all makes sense now. Thanks. :-)
 
2013-10-05 07:58:46 PM
Why are we even talking about it 500 per person to prevent painful death in some is well b worth it not even looking at the rectal, and mouth cancers it will also prevent
 
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