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2013-10-05 08:21:34 PM  

WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.


But doesn't this law have to go past the Senate and the President?
 
2013-10-05 08:22:36 PM  

ginandbacon: I honestly could not care less except that these good men and women are facing horrible financial crises.


Nope. Federal employees receive back pay for the time they don't work once things start back up. They will only have a problem if they are living paycheck to paycheck and don't have credit cards.
 
2013-10-05 08:23:09 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Because the NPS said (quoting from the article, not the NPS), "the cones were a safety precaution to help channel cars into viewing areas rather than to bar their entrance"?


Actually, this would be a case of "The democrats stooping to the GOP's level." Fighting fire with fire just ends up burning a lot of stuff.
 
2013-10-05 08:24:42 PM  

OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.


Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.
 
2013-10-05 08:24:56 PM  

hasty ambush: mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes:

"Excepted employees" include employees who are (1) performing emergency work involving the safety of human life or the property.

Where does the White House portrait photographer figure into this?

President Obama Gets Portrait Taken on Oct. 3, During Government Shutdown


First of all he isn't the White House Portrait Photographer, I'm fairly certain that isn't an actual position.  He's a guy Obama hired to take a portrait photograph, and was likely scheduled well in advance of the shutdown and paid for out of Obama's pocket.
 
2013-10-05 08:24:59 PM  
i.imgur.com

All hail!
 
2013-10-05 08:25:26 PM  

WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.


Historically, no modern shut down has occurred where Federal employees didn't receive back pay for the time they didn't work.
 
2013-10-05 08:25:48 PM  

ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.


Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.
 
2013-10-05 08:25:55 PM  

ginandbacon: WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: WippitGuud: ginandbacon:
SO WHAT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN????????

What should be shut down? That's easy:

NOTHING! It's the farking government. Get off your asses, stop looking like asses on TV, and fix the farking thing. You're Your country is starting to look like a bunch of idiots to the rest of the world.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony of calling someone an idiot while mistyping something.

I hope you weren't calling me an idiot while mistyping things because I am seriously pissed off about this entire ridiculous debacle.

I was generalizing the American internet community (not to mention mass media), and not singling out individuals. I'm sure there are people on both sides of the divide that are not idiots.

*sniff*

Okay then

In the meantime, while the GOP trolls are having midget mental breakdowns because a dead president's home is inaccessible, WIC is about to lose federal funding on Monday. Benefits to feed babies. 

Where are your farking priorities you pieces of shiat assholes?


We can use the babies to feed the homeless.
 
2013-10-05 08:26:14 PM  

BullBearMS: ginandbacon: I honestly could not care less except that these good men and women are facing horrible financial crises.

Nope. Federal employees receive back pay for the time they don't work once things start back up. They will only have a problem if they are living paycheck to paycheck and don't have credit cards.


*Most* government employees are living paycheck to paycheck and are already deeply in debt.
 
2013-10-05 08:26:23 PM  

WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.


It's not a vacation.  And they still aren't getting paid on time.  And until they go back 0% of their work is getting done.  We don't employ those people just for the fun of it.  We employ them to do things that need to be done.   Stuff isn't getting done, and it's going to cost us and anyone who works with us a ton of money, time, and stress.
 
2013-10-05 08:27:15 PM  

ReverendJynxed: [i.imgur.com image 227x400]

All hail!


Not king Bob? Your photoshop-fu needs work!
 
2013-10-05 08:27:24 PM  

ginandbacon: Do you understand that every single department is mandated by sequestration to cut their budgets with no exceptions?


Sequestration was a separate issue. It's already happened and we're months into it.

Teekno: The NPS never said that that was the reason the cones were up.

So, why should I believe you over what the NPS said?


The NPS says they put the cones up on October 1st to keep people from pulling off the roadway to take pictures and gaze upon the mountain. Did you read the article? You're trying to use their justification as dismissal when it's precisely the issue at hand.
 
2013-10-05 08:27:32 PM  

ReverendJynxed: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: WippitGuud: ginandbacon:
SO WHAT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN????????

What should be shut down? That's easy:

NOTHING! It's the farking government. Get off your asses, stop looking like asses on TV, and fix the farking thing. You're Your country is starting to look like a bunch of idiots to the rest of the world.

Yes, I'm aware of the irony of calling someone an idiot while mistyping something.

I hope you weren't calling me an idiot while mistyping things because I am seriously pissed off about this entire ridiculous debacle.

I was generalizing the American internet community (not to mention mass media), and not singling out individuals. I'm sure there are people on both sides of the divide that are not idiots.

*sniff*

Okay then

In the meantime, while the GOP trolls are having midget mental breakdowns because a dead president's home is inaccessible, WIC is about to lose federal funding on Monday. Benefits to feed babies. 

Where are your farking priorities you pieces of shiat assholes?

We can use the babies to feed the homeless.


Well...there's a swift idea.
 
2013-10-05 08:27:43 PM  

fusillade762: And you can't even LOOK at Mount Rushmore anymore!

[i43.tinypic.com image 570x359]


Sure you can. Just not the scenic side.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-05 08:27:59 PM  

ginandbacon: BullBearMS: ginandbacon: I honestly could not care less except that these good men and women are facing horrible financial crises.

Nope. Federal employees receive back pay for the time they don't work once things start back up. They will only have a problem if they are living paycheck to paycheck and don't have credit cards.

*Most* government employees are living paycheck to paycheck and are already deeply in debt.


And if this only lasts until their next paycheck, they have nothing to worry about.

So... who's responsible for fixing it?
 
2013-10-05 08:28:02 PM  

ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.


You don't have savings for life's ups and downs? Poor people's problems, shouldn't be federal worker problems. Bummer.
 
2013-10-05 08:28:16 PM  

ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.


They've had months of warning that this might happen.  If they didn't plan for temporary unemployment, then they deserve what they get.  Besides, I consider the majority of Federal workers to be leeches upon society.
 
2013-10-05 08:29:00 PM  

mr_larry: Atypical Person Reading Fark:

You're speaking of one group of Park Rangers.  There are several types.  One of them is the Old Type:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nations-oldest-full-time-park-ran ge r-furloughed-20478856

That old lady works inside an indoor exhibit that has been shut down.

I spent Monday driving along the coast, 95% of which is the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, a National Park. I head out that way a few times a month, and I have never seen so many National Park Rangers driving around.


Like I said, there are different types of rangers.  I happen to know that old lady, and her exhibit wasn't shut down.  She does various interpretive work on a part time basis - and can probably afford to take the furlough, but she was still furloughed.  About 100 other interpretive rangers at RNP have been furloughed (many work reduced hours in winter anyway).

Odd you saw so many rangers out and about.  Sort of like the "volunteer" police in D.C., I guess.  There's not a soul at any station in the NF near me.  I live just outside a NF.

And 235 people furloughed at the park where I have worked in the past.  The park supervisor is a friend of mine.  Now, at that park, most of those people would have gone on part time schedules in December, but they were full time right now (it's a busy time of year for ranger work in that park - road maintenance, tree removal near campgrounds, etc - they can't chop down trees when there are paying guests and the campgrounds have begun to close).  About 100 rangers remain...and I wouldn't be surprised if their main duty was patrolling right now.  Not tree chopping.
 
2013-10-05 08:31:31 PM  
Isn't a selective shutdown just more patronage politics?
 
2013-10-05 08:31:34 PM  

ginandbacon: BullBearMS: ginandbacon: I honestly could not care less except that these good men and women are facing horrible financial crises.

Nope. Federal employees receive back pay for the time they don't work once things start back up. They will only have a problem if they are living paycheck to paycheck and don't have credit cards.

*Most* government employees are living paycheck to paycheck and are already deeply in debt.


Do you honestly think just because you are wiling to make shiat up everyone will believe it?

Citation needed.
 
2013-10-05 08:31:45 PM  

BullBearMS: Nope. Federal employees receive back pay for the time they don't work once things start back up. They will only have a problem if they are living paycheck to paycheck and don't have credit cards.


Mostly all they need to do is contact their creditors ahead of time (like now while they have the time off anyway) and explain that they are a furloughed federal worker due to the current budget battles and they will be fine. The people who bill them can read a newspaper and they do understand the situation of the people that they bill. What they don't like is non-payment with no explanation. I once had a paycheck delayed during the 1986 budget battles and all of them that I contacted understood and let me slide for a few weeks with no hit on my credit report.
 
2013-10-05 08:32:03 PM  

Radioactive Ass: TuteTibiImperes: They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

They forced the closing of a fancy restaurant in San Francisco (the Cliff House) that has existed pretty much since the state of California has been a state. Never mind that the access, parking and, well, everything actually, including law enforcement and EMS, all are the responsibility of, and owned by San Francisco. The only reason that the NPS is involved at all was because when they formed the GGNRA in 1977 they claimed that part of the restaurant sat inside it and therefore was a concession under NPS rules. It fronts a city street and has all of the parking spaces owned by the city. It costs them absolutely nothing to operate on a day to day basis, employ's people who don't get a paycheck from them, yet they forced them to close down over this. Absolutely pointless other than to play the "Make it hurt" game.


You don't understand. They had to do it because [reasons].

TuteTibiImperes: First of all he isn't the White House Portrait Photographer, I'm fairly certain that isn't an actual position. He's a guy Obama hired to take a portrait photograph, and was likely scheduled well in advance of the shutdown and paid for out of Obama's pocket.


You're fairly sure?

Why don't you google it so you can be certain.
 
2013-10-05 08:32:16 PM  

OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.


I'm not, this farking sucks.    I don't even care about the money.   The project I've been working on all year with dozens of people at a very large sunk cost might be a complete waste depending on how long this goes.
 
2013-10-05 08:33:56 PM  
THANKS A LOT KING OBAMA!!!
 
2013-10-05 08:34:39 PM  

super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.


That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.
 
2013-10-05 08:35:53 PM  

udhq: super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.

That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.


Meh.  This is turning into another "federal workers are overpaid leeches" troll thread.  Guess when you're losing the argument, troll for another.
 
2013-10-05 08:36:10 PM  

OgreMagi: I consider the majority of Federal workers to be leeches upon society.


dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-10-05 08:36:38 PM  

udhq: super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.

That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.


My heart goes out to those poor, poor executive leaders.
 
2013-10-05 08:36:42 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: First of all he isn't the White House Portrait Photographer, I'm fairly certain that isn't an actual position. He's a guy Obama hired to take a portrait photograph, and was likely scheduled well in advance of the shutdown and paid for out of Obama's pocket.


White House Photographer is an official paid position and is considered a member of the White House Staff, just like a chef or a butler..
 
2013-10-05 08:36:50 PM  

Mrbogey: Radioactive Ass: TuteTibiImperes: They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

They forced the closing of a fancy restaurant in San Francisco (the Cliff House) that has existed pretty much since the state of California has been a state. Never mind that the access, parking and, well, everything actually, including law enforcement and EMS, all are the responsibility of, and owned by San Francisco. The only reason that the NPS is involved at all was because when they formed the GGNRA in 1977 they claimed that part of the restaurant sat inside it and therefore was a concession under NPS rules. It fronts a city street and has all of the parking spaces owned by the city. It costs them absolutely nothing to operate on a day to day basis, employ's people who don't get a paycheck from them, yet they forced them to close down over this. Absolutely pointless other than to play the "Make it hurt" game.

You don't understand. They had to do it because [reasons].

TuteTibiImperes: First of all he isn't the White House Portrait Photographer, I'm fairly certain that isn't an actual position. He's a guy Obama hired to take a portrait photograph, and was likely scheduled well in advance of the shutdown and paid for out of Obama's pocket.

You're fairly sure?

Why don't you google it so you can be certain.


Great, I did, and I was correct, there is no 'White House Portrait Photographer'.  There is an official White House Photographer and Photography Office, which makes sense given diplomatic duties associated with the President, but no 'Portrait Photographer'.  Also, the guy who took the portrait was not the official White House Photographer.
 
2013-10-05 08:39:00 PM  

WippitGuud: Actually, this would be a case of "The democrats stooping to the GOP's level." Fighting fire with fire just ends up burning a lot of stuff.


The funny thing is, it works if you do it right.

Unfortunately, the Obama Administration has been doing it wrong since 2008, and it's making everyone really mis Dubya, who for all his faults, did it right whenever he did something. The Democrats had to carry the goalposts clear out of town to turn his "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq into a quagmire.
 
2013-10-05 08:39:10 PM  

udhq: super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.

That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.


Nope.  Excluding military (which is notoriously low paid), you are going to make more working for the Feds than in the private sector, unless the job requires a PhD.


www.motherjones.com

Here's the full article: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/chart-day-federal-gover n ment-pay-vs-private-sector-pay
 
2013-10-05 08:43:13 PM  
In some areas, people who work in the private sector are going to feel the economic effects of the furloughs.

Of course, it's amazing that the Pentagon, apparently, employs 400,000 of those furloughed - and they get to come back to work.  Really, Pentagon?  400,000???

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-pentagon-to -r ecall-400000-furloughed-workers-20131005,0,4608141.story

Some sources say only 350,000, but still.
 
2013-10-05 08:43:28 PM  

ginandbacon: Lsherm: cameroncrazy1984: Oh and here's the contingency plan. Nowhere does it state that there is a difference between NPS grounds. It states that ALL NPS property is to be shut down:

http://www.doi.gov/shutdown/fy2014/upload/NPS-contingency-plan.pdf

Mt. Vernon isn't NPS property.

No but "Designated accessible parking spaces are available at the front of the East and West Visitor Parking Lots on each side of the George Washington Memorial Parkway, which are owned and maintained by the National Park Service" so it's funny how reality doesn't really support this narrative, hmm?

Does it seem like a lot of GOP trolls are out today spreading lies?


And what is the cost of not closing the parking lot? Zero. Zilch. Not a penny. In the interest of saving money due to the shutdown, they've spent money closing a parking lot that it would have cost nothing to leave open.
 
2013-10-05 08:44:03 PM  

fullyfarked: WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

Well before this there was the giant kerfuffle over the cessation of WH tours. I guess we have a fairly good Rorschach test for Republican values.

To be honest, I've lost quite a bit of respect for liberal-minded Americans who are trying to defend the closures as well. Because, quite frankly. spending the first week of a government shutdown arguing over tourist attractions is a bit stupid.

This.


True,   some of the whining coming from the left these days makes them look bad.
 
2013-10-05 08:44:31 PM  

OgreMagi: Nope. Excluding military (which is notoriously low paid), you are going to make more working for the Feds than in the private sector, unless the job requires a PhD.


The social contract there is that you are paid less for a more stable job. Private sector jobs rely upon the economy (local and national) while government jobs usually perform services that are paid for out of taxes and thus are immune to a lot of that economic pressure.
 
2013-10-05 08:46:23 PM  

Radioactive Ass: OgreMagi: Nope. Excluding military (which is notoriously low paid), you are going to make more working for the Feds than in the private sector, unless the job requires a PhD.

The social contract there is that you are paid less for a more stable job. Private sector jobs rely upon the economy (local and national) while government jobs usually perform services that are paid for out of taxes and thus are immune to a lot of that economic pressure.


Go back and read that chart again.  You get paid MORE working for the Feds.
 
2013-10-05 08:46:57 PM  

Mrbogey: The NPS says they put the cones up on October 1st to keep people from pulling off the roadway to take pictures and gaze upon the mountain. Did you read the article? You're trying to use their justification as dismissal when it's precisely the issue at hand.


Actually, I did read the article. And that's not what it says.
 
2013-10-05 08:48:50 PM  
and even if the government owns the land...who owns the government?WE THE PEOPLE
 
2013-10-05 08:49:09 PM  

OgreMagi: Radioactive Ass: OgreMagi: Nope. Excluding military (which is notoriously low paid), you are going to make more working for the Feds than in the private sector, unless the job requires a PhD.

The social contract there is that you are paid less for a more stable job. Private sector jobs rely upon the economy (local and national) while government jobs usually perform services that are paid for out of taxes and thus are immune to a lot of that economic pressure.

Go back and read that chart again.  You get paid MORE working for the Feds.


Only after benefits are considered.  Federal jobs typically have lower salaries but better benefits packages.  If you want to compare salary vs salary, the private sector pays more most of the time.
 
2013-10-05 08:49:59 PM  

OgreMagi: udhq: super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.

That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.

Nope.  Excluding military (which is notoriously low paid), you are going to make more working for the Feds than in the private sector, unless the job requires a PhD.


[www.motherjones.com image 557x342]

Here's the full article: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/chart-day-federal-gover n ment-pay-vs-private-sector-pay


Is the government short-chainging the NASA eggheads?
 
2013-10-05 08:51:58 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: OgreMagi: Radioactive Ass: OgreMagi: Nope. Excluding military (which is notoriously low paid), you are going to make more working for the Feds than in the private sector, unless the job requires a PhD.

The social contract there is that you are paid less for a more stable job. Private sector jobs rely upon the economy (local and national) while government jobs usually perform services that are paid for out of taxes and thus are immune to a lot of that economic pressure.

Go back and read that chart again.  You get paid MORE working for the Feds.

Only after benefits are considered.  Federal jobs typically have lower salaries but better benefits packages.  If you want to compare salary vs salary, the private sector pays more most of the time.


The chart shows that.  The difference seems miniscule to me.
 
2013-10-05 08:52:00 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: These are State Highways (although the Feds claim they own or maintain Highway 64 inside Grand Canyon)


Oh, so the Feds have no jurisdiction over state highways that pass through federal property? Tell you what, go speed on one of the Maryland state highways that pass through Fort Meade, and when the MPs pull you over, tell them they can fark off. But please - be sure to have a friend record the skull-cracking and post a link for us, would ya?
 
2013-10-05 08:54:02 PM  

super_grass: OgreMagi: udhq: super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.

That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.

Nope.  Excluding military (which is notoriously low paid), you are going to make more working for the Feds than in the private sector, unless the job requires a PhD.


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Here's the full article: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/chart-day-federal-gover n ment-pay-vs-private-sector-pay

Is the government short-chainging the NASA eggheads?


Yep.  I don't have the link since it was from a couple of years ago, but someone posted something about one hour of the Iraq war costing more than an entire year of NASA.
 
2013-10-05 08:56:41 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: But none of these closings are stunts, right?

Remember, the WWII Memorial is open and unmanned at all times, 24-7-365, so its security and closure must be airtight during the shutdown!  And lots and lots of money will be spent to make sure of that!


Somebody in Congress should put forth a bill that states that any government element that has an equal or greater than number of government employees onsite is deemed to NOT be shutdown and is open to the public as it is during normal business hours.
 
2013-10-05 08:58:08 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Atypical Person Reading Fark: These are State Highways (although the Feds claim they own or maintain Highway 64 inside Grand Canyon)

Oh, so the Feds have no jurisdiction over state highways that pass through federal property? Tell you what, go speed on one of the Maryland state highways that pass through Fort Meade, and when the MPs pull you over, tell them they can fark off. But please - be sure to have a friend record the skull-cracking and post a link for us, would ya?


Well, I don't know about jurisdiction, but their shutdown contingency plan called for them to leave state roads open.  I'm not talking about who polices the roads, I'm talking about who has the right to open and close them.

Anyway, Tioga Road (120) through Yosemite is open; all the state highways in Yellowstone are open; the General's Highway in Kings Canyon/Sequoia is open - all state highways on federal land.

It's only Highways 64 in Arizona and 198 here in California, that I know of.  The state highways that go through Redwood National Park are definitely open (and even the county roads, there).

So merely going through federal land is not the issue.  Read the contingency plan.  It says they are supposed to leave state highways open.
 
2013-10-05 08:58:56 PM  

Alphakronik: While there are kids going without formula or milk, I could give a rats ass about the national parks or Mt. Vernon.


Sorry, but that's the parent's job not the gov't.
 
2013-10-05 08:59:04 PM  

super_grass: udhq: super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.

That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.

My heart goes out to those poor, poor executive leaders.


Obama makes about 450k.

If he led an organization of similar size and scope I'm the private sector, he'd make about 60million in total compensation (most of which would be in VERY lightly taxed stock options), and he's not even the highest paid employee of the federal government. That honor goes to the football coaches at the military academies.

I'm not saying the president should get paid more, I'm mostly pointing out the complete and utter failure of free market capitalism at the top end.
 
2013-10-05 09:03:10 PM  

udhq: super_grass: udhq: super_grass: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.

So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.

Because not paying bills on time usually works out well for most people.

Should have saved money then.

Federal workers earn more than private sector workers, with better benefits to boot.

That is absolute streaming bullshiat.

The rule of thumb is 10-20%, the last actual comparison I read says that a federal worker makes 17% less t than someone doing the same job in the private sector.

That goes up exponentially if you look just at executive leadership.

The only way it works is if you compare total averages, ie including the army of minimum wage earners in the private sector.

My heart goes out to those poor, poor executive leaders.

Obama makes about 450k.

If he led an organization of similar size and scope I'm the private sector, he'd make about 60million in total compensation (most of which would be in VERY lightly taxed stock options), and he's not even the highest paid employee of the federal government. That honor goes to the football coaches at the military academies.

I'm not saying the president should get paid more, I'm mostly pointing out the complete and utter failure of free market capitalism at the top end.


They make up for the low compensation by having the inside track on what to buy and sell in the stock market.  And lets not forget those sweet lobbyist bribes gifts.
 
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