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2013-10-05 07:31:04 PM

WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

Well before this there was the giant kerfuffle over the cessation of WH tours. I guess we have a fairly good Rorschach test for Republican values.

To be honest, I've lost quite a bit of respect for liberal-minded Americans who are trying to defend the closures as well. Because, quite frankly. spending the first week of a government shutdown arguing over tourist attractions is a bit stupid.


This.
 
2013-10-05 07:33:36 PM

ginandbacon: OgreMagi: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

Well before this there was the giant kerfuffle over the cessation of WH tours. I guess we have a fairly good Rorschach test for Republican values.

To be honest, I've lost quite a bit of respect for liberal-minded Americans who are trying to defend the closures as well. Because, quite frankly. spending the first week of a government shutdown arguing over tourist attractions is a bit stupid.

SO WHAT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN???????? It's a farking gorram government shutdown! That's kind of how they work, ya know?

DEA, ATF, NSA, would be a good start.

But blocking off the side of the road so you can't look at a farking mountain is about as petty and small minded as you can get.

Do you understand that every single department is mandated by sequestration to cut their budgets with no exceptions?


And your point?  Those highway pull-offs aren't manned.  There are no guards.  Most of the time they don't have even have a trashcan.  It's a spot to pull over for a moment to take a look and maybe snap a photo or two.  Leaving them open cost nothing.  Laying down a hundred highway cones to keep people out definitely cost something.
 
2013-10-05 07:35:19 PM

brimed03: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

The GOP has no plan to fix this shutdown, and they're refusing to do the one fair thing that would end it right now - pass a clean CR.  They're trying to obfuscate the issue, which is par for the course.  They don't actually do anything, they just obfuscate and obstruct.
 
2013-10-05 07:35:19 PM

ginandbacon: WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

Well before this there was the giant kerfuffle over the cessation of WH tours. I guess we have a fairly good Rorschach test for Republican values.

To be honest, I've lost quite a bit of respect for liberal-minded Americans who are trying to defend the closures as well. Because, quite frankly. spending the first week of a government shutdown arguing over tourist attractions is a bit stupid.

SO WHAT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN???????? It's a farking gorram government shutdown! That's kind of how they work, ya know?


It should be when the farking gorram government employees GO HOME and STFU instead of being sent out to intentionally inflict inconvenience and take away access to PUBLIC property that is not otherwise restricted when they're all at work feeding from the public trough.
 
2013-10-05 07:41:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: brimed03: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

The GOP has no plan to fix this shutdown, and they're refusing to do the one fair thing that would end it right now - pass a clean CR.  They're trying to obfuscate the issue, which is par for the course.  They don't actually do anything, they just obfuscate and obstruct.


^^^^^^^
100% pure, unedited top-shelf Democrat party talking points... right down to the "Clean CR" reference, which was invented out of nothing just to have something high-and-mighty sounding to spice up sound bites.
 
2013-10-05 07:45:13 PM
What is truly disguising is that the government is spending more money "shutting down" some things than it would cost to just leave them alone.  And the reason is because they cannot afford it.  asinine personified.
 
2013-10-05 07:45:21 PM

fullyfarked: TuteTibiImperes: brimed03: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

The GOP has no plan to fix this shutdown, and they're refusing to do the one fair thing that would end it right now - pass a clean CR.  They're trying to obfuscate the issue, which is par for the course.  They don't actually do anything, they just obfuscate and obstruct.

^^^^^^^
100% pure, unedited top-shelf Democrat party talking points... right down to the "Clean CR" reference, which was invented out of nothing just to have something high-and-mighty sounding to spice up sound bites.


If by that you mean the truth, which is nearly always the case, then you're correct.

Also, the clean CR wasn't invented out of nothing, it's what should have been done from day 1.  The government was about to shut down due to lack of a budget, the obvious solution is to pass an extension on the current budget, not turn it into a hostage situation for political gain like the GOP attempted.

The clean CR benefits all people equally.
 
2013-10-05 07:47:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.


Well sure, because this went over so well the last time Obama cancelled White House tours over the sequester and tried to claim it was the other guys fault.

"It is a petulant, juvenile response," said one Democratic official close to the administration. "It totally undermines the harm that the sequester is actually doing to Americans. Now all we are talking about is the canceled tours and not about all the jobs lost."

What is it they say about taking the same petty little actions and expecting different outcomes?

All they had to do either time is wait for real consequences to occur and point those out, but no...
 
2013-10-05 07:48:33 PM

fullyfarked: TuteTibiImperes: brimed03: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

The GOP has no plan to fix this shutdown, and they're refusing to do the one fair thing that would end it right now - pass a clean CR.  They're trying to obfuscate the issue, which is par for the course.  They don't actually do anything, they just obfuscate and obstruct.

^^^^^^^
100% pure, unedited top-shelf Democrat party talking points... right down to the "Clean CR" reference, which was invented out of nothing just to have something high-and-mighty sounding to spice up sound bites.


Except that these 'talking points' have the side benefit of being ground in reality.
 
2013-10-05 07:50:15 PM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

Well sure, because this went over so well the last time Obama cancelled White House tours over the sequester and tried to claim it was the other guys fault.

"It is a petulant, juvenile response," said one Democratic official close to the administration. "It totally undermines the harm that the sequester is actually doing to Americans. Now all we are talking about is the canceled tours and not about all the jobs lost."

What is it they say about taking the same petty little actions and expecting different outcomes?

All they had to do either time is wait for real consequences to occur and point those out, but no...


They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

This isn't being done to prove a point, this is just how things are when the government shuts down.  The GOP would be smart to stop trying to shift the blame and instead try to fix the problem they started.
 
2013-10-05 07:52:19 PM

TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

Well sure, because this went over so well the last time Obama cancelled White House tours over the sequester and tried to claim it was the other guys fault.

"It is a petulant, juvenile response," said one Democratic official close to the administration. "It totally undermines the harm that the sequester is actually doing to Americans. Now all we are talking about is the canceled tours and not about all the jobs lost."

What is it they say about taking the same petty little actions and expecting different outcomes?

All they had to do either time is wait for real consequences to occur and point those out, but no...

They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

This isn't being done to prove a point, this is just how things are when the government shuts down.  The GOP would be smart to stop trying to shift the blame and instead try to fix the problem they started.


For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.
 
2013-10-05 07:52:25 PM

OgreMagi: ginandbacon: OgreMagi: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

Well before this there was the giant kerfuffle over the cessation of WH tours. I guess we have a fairly good Rorschach test for Republican values.

To be honest, I've lost quite a bit of respect for liberal-minded Americans who are trying to defend the closures as well. Because, quite frankly. spending the first week of a government shutdown arguing over tourist attractions is a bit stupid.

SO WHAT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN???????? It's a farking gorram government shutdown! That's kind of how they work, ya know?

DEA, ATF, NSA, would be a good start.

But blocking off the side of the road so you can't look at a farking mountain is about as petty and small minded as you can get.

Do you understand that every single department is mandated by sequestration to cut their budgets with no exceptions?

And your point?  Those highway pull-offs aren't manned.  There are no guards.  Most of the time they don't have even have a trashcan.  It's a spot to pull over for a moment to take a look and maybe snap a photo or two.  Leaving them open cost nothing.  Laying down a hundred highway cones to keep people out definitely cost something.


The 70,000 people employed by the Department of the Interior would like a word. Not to mention all the people assigned to reducing the risk of terrorism to our monuments who aren't getting paid to protect those monuments you care so very very much about.

Not to mention the folks that have to clean up when you need to poop and piss in those monuments. Or the people that have to pick up syringes and condoms and other things I'm pretty sure you don't want to see littering our precious whatever whatever that celebrates some dead man who owned slaves and didn't think his wife deserved the right to vote.

Or the honest-to goodness my family wants to honor granpa or grandma X who served this country even though bother so-and-so can't get his benefits processed at the VA...

Along with the insane cuts we are making to social services and things like drug trials and food safety and so on and so on.

fullyfarked: It should be when the farking gorram government employees GO HOME and STFU instead of being sent out to intentionally inflict inconvenience and take away access to PUBLIC property that is not otherwise restricted when they're all at work feeding from the public trough.


And not be allowed to work for anyone else while the GOP is playing fast and loose with their livelihood, right? That should just bend right over and take it like the bureaucratic weasels they are!!!! To hell with their mortgages, insurance bills, shoes for the kids, glasses, gramma's Lipitor, right?
 
2013-10-05 07:52:49 PM

ginandbacon: Really? They have absolutely ZERO to do with the GW Parkway. Like NADA.


They didn't close the parkway, they closed parking lots that belonged to the Mt. Vernon Association.  Try to keep up.

The one "lot" that is still blocked is a public lot that belongs to the NPS, but it's actually four spaces provided for handicapped or VIP access.  The rest of them belong to the Mt. Vernon Association.  You're in Maryland, haven't you ever been to Mt. Vernon?

What NPS did was put barriers at the entrance to several lots even though they only own limited spaces inside one of the privately owned lots.  They overstepped, because that's what they were instructed to do.
 
2013-10-05 07:55:25 PM

Godscrack: Wait until they close outer space!


That's different. Outer space is owned by Richard Branson. And he closed it last month for remodeling.
 
2013-10-05 07:55:45 PM

mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

Well sure, because this went over so well the last time Obama cancelled White House tours over the sequester and tried to claim it was the other guys fault.

"It is a petulant, juvenile response," said one Democratic official close to the administration. "It totally undermines the harm that the sequester is actually doing to Americans. Now all we are talking about is the canceled tours and not about all the jobs lost."

What is it they say about taking the same petty little actions and expecting different outcomes?

All they had to do either time is wait for real consequences to occur and point those out, but no...

They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

This isn't being done to prove a point, this is just how things are when the government shuts down.  The GOP would be smart to stop trying to shift the blame and instead try to fix the problem they started.

For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.


Yes they have been furloughed, at least federal ones.  State employees may still be on the job.  A limited number of federal rangers are still working, but the majority have been furloughed.
 
2013-10-05 07:56:53 PM
mr_larry: For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.

Then why are they glaring with furloughed brow?
 
2013-10-05 07:56:55 PM

OgreMagi: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: ginandbacon: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

Well before this there was the giant kerfuffle over the cessation of WH tours. I guess we have a fairly good Rorschach test for Republican values.

To be honest, I've lost quite a bit of respect for liberal-minded Americans who are trying to defend the closures as well. Because, quite frankly. spending the first week of a government shutdown arguing over tourist attractions is a bit stupid.

SO WHAT SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN???????? It's a farking gorram government shutdown! That's kind of how they work, ya know?

DEA, ATF, NSA, would be a good start.

But blocking off the side of the road so you can't look at a farking mountain is about as petty and small minded as you can get.


And yet, they've closed Highway 64 along the east rim of the Grand Canyon, because people were stopping to look; and they have closed Highway 198 into Sequoia National Park, because there, it's almost necessary to stop occasionally if you want to get your bearings, as a newcomer, on the switchbacks.

And in Yosemite, they are permitting people to pull over at a non-scenic stop where there's an open restroom (how nice of them) and ignoring people who stop at Olmsted Point (very mellow rangers in the Tuolumne, apparently) but shooing people out of all the Valley stopping points.

Similar lack of stopping in Yellowstone.  Ridiculous.  These are State Highways (although the Feds claim they own or maintain Highway 64 inside Grand Canyon), and people do stop sometimes along highways, for various reasons.

Of course, I'd be pissed too if I was laid off my job without pay for an indefinite period of time.
 
2013-10-05 07:57:20 PM

ginandbacon: Not to mention all the people assigned to reducing the risk of terrorism


Raising the spectre of the terrorism boogeyman means you are reaching for anything you can to defend a losing position.
 
2013-10-05 07:57:48 PM
 
2013-10-05 07:58:08 PM
If people haven't WOKE UP yet... All Obama and his "government" is going to do is punish the public more and more until they get their way.

They have now tried to close several privately funded places. This is not the first one. If the shutdown was "real", only federal stuff would get shut. They are going further and trying to shut down everything they can that provides recreation. They are about to go further.

They have already announced that Veteran's Benefits will NOT be paid if the shutdown continues. This probably means Social Security as well. Next, they will threaten welfare and food stamps (USDA).

But my question is.. If the government is shut down, we don't have to pay taxes right? I say we all threaten to not pay taxes. If everyone does that, they would have no choice but to show their true colors.
 
2013-10-05 07:58:59 PM
mr_larry:

For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.

Liar.
 
2013-10-05 07:59:21 PM

Lsherm: cameroncrazy1984: Oh and here's the contingency plan. Nowhere does it state that there is a difference between NPS grounds. It states that ALL NPS property is to be shut down:

http://www.doi.gov/shutdown/fy2014/upload/NPS-contingency-plan.pdf

Mt. Vernon isn't NPS property.


the parking lot for the busses is.  Thats important to pay someone to put up barricades to the lot and stand there to make sure nobody uses the asphalt.

That costs money to use asphault, you know.

I wonder why they arent roadblocking interstates while they are trying to make it inconvenient for citizens.
 
2013-10-05 08:00:18 PM

TuteTibiImperes: fullyfarked: TuteTibiImperes: brimed03: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

The GOP has no plan to fix this shutdown, and they're refusing to do the one fair thing that would end it right now - pass a clean CR.  They're trying to obfuscate the issue, which is par for the course.  They don't actually do anything, they just obfuscate and obstruct.

^^^^^^^
100% pure, unedited top-shelf Democrat party talking points... right down to the "Clean CR" reference, which was invented out of nothing just to have something high-and-mighty sounding to spice up sound bites.

If by that you mean the truth, which is nearly always the case, then you're correct.

Also, the clean CR wasn't invented out of nothing, it's what should have been done from day 1.  The government was about to shut down due to lack of a budget, the obvious solution is to pass an extension on the current budget, not turn it into a hostage situation for political gain like the GOP attempted.

The clean CR benefits all people equally.


Hold'em up screw.  Would you care to enlighten me as to the last time a constitutionally-required budget was passed in the Senate?  Maybe if someone had actually passed a flipping budget we wouldn't need a continuing resolution to keep the government open.  Hell, even an annual appropriations bill would be nice, but NO, both parties enjoy this bullshiat political grandstanding that comes with these pissant continuing resolutions.
 
2013-10-05 08:00:27 PM

ginandbacon: mr_larry:

For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.

Liar.


You debate like a two year old.  Post a citation.  Put up or shut up.
 
2013-10-05 08:00:28 PM

Mrbogey: Why should I believe you over what the NPS says?


The NPS never said that that was the reason the cones were up.

So, why should I believe you over what the NPS said?
 
2013-10-05 08:00:36 PM
My husband's ex-wife works for WIC and cannot report to work.  She gave up alimony in the divorce over 2 decades ago.  I'm getting a kick outta these replies!
 
2013-10-05 08:00:37 PM
Barrycades. I got a chuckle out of that one.
 
2013-10-05 08:01:51 PM

BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: They're not closing the parks just to close them

Yes.

They are.

It's pretty obvious this time, just as it was last time.

THE DECISION to drop White House tours always had a whiff of what's known as Washington Monument syndrome. The ham-handed tactic is employed when government is faced with budget cuts and officials go after the services that are most visible and appreciated by the public. It's a kind of bureaucratic hostage-taking, so the pushback that the Obama administration has encountered is a proper comeuppance.


The sequester situation and the shutdown aren't the same thing.  Under the sequester that could move money around to fund things as they saw fit to a degree.  Under the shutdown the majority of the park rangers, maintenance staff, and security personnel have been furloughed.  Without those people doing their jobs it's impossible to open the monuments and national parks in a responsible manner.
 
2013-10-05 08:03:32 PM
Have to love the comments by the pathetically, uneducated Repukes and Tea Party nutjobs.... Or, is it hate them?  Yeah, hate them.
 
2013-10-05 08:03:38 PM

Goldstien Sachs: TuteTibiImperes: fullyfarked: TuteTibiImperes: brimed03: WippitGuud: It's funny how a government shutdown has become entirely focused on National Parks. Rather than, oh, I dunno... fixing the farking shutdown.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

The GOP has no plan to fix this shutdown, and they're refusing to do the one fair thing that would end it right now - pass a clean CR.  They're trying to obfuscate the issue, which is par for the course.  They don't actually do anything, they just obfuscate and obstruct.

^^^^^^^
100% pure, unedited top-shelf Democrat party talking points... right down to the "Clean CR" reference, which was invented out of nothing just to have something high-and-mighty sounding to spice up sound bites.

If by that you mean the truth, which is nearly always the case, then you're correct.

Also, the clean CR wasn't invented out of nothing, it's what should have been done from day 1.  The government was about to shut down due to lack of a budget, the obvious solution is to pass an extension on the current budget, not turn it into a hostage situation for political gain like the GOP attempted.

The clean CR benefits all people equally.

Hold'em up screw.  Would you care to enlighten me as to the last time a constitutionally-required budget was passed in the Senate?  Maybe if someone had actually passed a flipping budget we wouldn't need a continuing resolution to keep the government open.  Hell, even an annual appropriations bill would be nice, but NO, both parties enjoy this bullshiat political grandstanding that comes with these pissant continuing resolutions.


I'm sure the Senate would love to pass a budget.  The House just needs to get their shiat together and agree to one that doesn't cut major spending from important social and safety net programs.  If the House would agree to a budget that wasn't drastically smaller than what we need, maybe we'd get somewhere.
 
2013-10-05 08:04:10 PM

OgreMagi: ginandbacon: mr_larry:

For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.

Liar.

You debate like a two year old.  Post a citation.  Put up or shut up.


"The park, run by the U.S. National Park Service, will furlough 92 employees but keep 15 employees on hand to maintain essential services such as fire protection, security, law enforcement and water treatment."

One park. One.

And I honestly could not care less except that these good men and women are facing horrible financial crises.
 
2013-10-05 08:07:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

Well sure, because this went over so well the last time Obama cancelled White House tours over the sequester and tried to claim it was the other guys fault.

"It is a petulant, juvenile response," said one Democratic official close to the administration. "It totally undermines the harm that the sequester is actually doing to Americans. Now all we are talking about is the canceled tours and not about all the jobs lost."

What is it they say about taking the same petty little actions and expecting different outcomes?

All they had to do either time is wait for real consequences to occur and point those out, but no...

They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

This isn't being done to prove a point, this is just how things are when the government shuts down.  The GOP would be smart to stop trying to shift the blame and instead try to fix the problem they started.

For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.

Yes they have been furloughed, at least federal ones.  State employees may still be on the job.  A limited number of federal rangers are still working, but the majority have been furloughed.


If you are a ranger that works at a museum or an exhibit that has been closed, then you are furloughed. If you are out on patrol you have not been furloughed. Written into law:

"Excepted employees" include employees who are (1) performing emergency work involving the safety of human life or the protection of property,
 
2013-10-05 08:09:24 PM
I, for one, am enjoying watching conservatives throw a fit because liberals failed to adequately protect them from the consequences of their own actions.
 
2013-10-05 08:11:04 PM

mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

Well sure, because this went over so well the last time Obama cancelled White House tours over the sequester and tried to claim it was the other guys fault.

"It is a petulant, juvenile response," said one Democratic official close to the administration. "It totally undermines the harm that the sequester is actually doing to Americans. Now all we are talking about is the canceled tours and not about all the jobs lost."

What is it they say about taking the same petty little actions and expecting different outcomes?

All they had to do either time is wait for real consequences to occur and point those out, but no...

They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

This isn't being done to prove a point, this is just how things are when the government shuts down.  The GOP would be smart to stop trying to shift the blame and instead try to fix the problem they started.

For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.

Yes they have been furloughed, at least federal ones.  State employees may still be on the job.  A limited number of federal rangers are still working, but the majority have been furloughed.

If you are a ranger that works at a museum or an exhibit that has been closed, then you are furloughed. If you are out on patrol you have not been furloughed. Written into law:

"Excepted employees" include employees who are (1) performing emergency work involving the safety of human life or the pro ...


Just because some of the guys with guns remain doesn't mean that the ground staff that keeps an eye on things and alerts them of problems hasn't been dramatically reduced.  The rangers can't be as effective when the majority have been furloughed, and it's unsafe to operate the parks until the majority return.
 
2013-10-05 08:11:10 PM

udhq: I, for one, am enjoying watching conservatives throw a fit because liberals failed to adequately protect them from the consequences of their own actions.


And I'm enjoying the spectacle of Obama showing how much of a petty little asshole he really is.

/not a Republican
 
2013-10-05 08:11:59 PM

OgreMagi: udhq: I, for one, am enjoying watching conservatives throw a fit because liberals failed to adequately protect them from the consequences of their own actions.

And I'm enjoying the spectacle of Obama showing how much of a petty little asshole he really is.

/not a Republican


Obama is a fine person, it's his brigade of supporters that I hate.
 
2013-10-05 08:12:29 PM

OgreMagi: ginandbacon: Not to mention all the people assigned to reducing the risk of terrorism

Raising the spectre of the terrorism boogeyman means you are reaching for anything you can to defend a losing position.


Oh puleeze.

"The report, obtained by the Washington Post, makes a direct correlation between the vulnerability of the monuments and the funding of the U.S. Park Police, a law enforcement agency of the National Park Service. Nine national monuments and memorials are said to be vulnerable, including the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the Lincoln Memorial, the Thomas Jefferson Memorial and--of most concern to the authors of the report--the newly refurbished Washington Monument."

And that's only for DC. Imagine the furor if Lady Liberty were attacked? She's a National Park, BTW.
 
2013-10-05 08:13:40 PM

mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes: A large part of that is due to the GOP media machine manufacturing outrage over this and trying to paint it as a deliberate Democratic Party move to hurt people instead of the reality that these moves are just to ensure the just public safety and integrity of federal property.

Well sure, because this went over so well the last time Obama cancelled White House tours over the sequester and tried to claim it was the other guys fault.

"It is a petulant, juvenile response," said one Democratic official close to the administration. "It totally undermines the harm that the sequester is actually doing to Americans. Now all we are talking about is the canceled tours and not about all the jobs lost."

What is it they say about taking the same petty little actions and expecting different outcomes?

All they had to do either time is wait for real consequences to occur and point those out, but no...

They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.

This isn't being done to prove a point, this is just how things are when the government shuts down.  The GOP would be smart to stop trying to shift the blame and instead try to fix the problem they started.

For the last time: Park Rangers have not been furloughed nor have federal Park Police.


You're speaking of one group of Park Rangers.  There are several types.  One of them is the Old Type:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nations-oldest-full-time-park-ran ge r-furloughed-20478856
 
2013-10-05 08:15:11 PM

udhq: I, for one, am enjoying watching conservatives throw a fit because liberals failed to adequately protect them from the consequences of their own actions.


The doublespeak is mind numbing.  The "slimdown" (including loss of jobs and benefits) caused by the Teaparty isn't a big deal, but closure of national parks?  WELCOME TO OBAMA'S BERLIN.
 
2013-10-05 08:15:47 PM
I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.
 
2013-10-05 08:16:20 PM

TuteTibiImperes: They're not closing the parks just to close them, they're closing them because the park rangers and security have been furloughed and it would be negligent and irresponsible to keep them open without the proper support staff in place.


They forced the closing of a fancy restaurant in San Francisco (the Cliff House) that has existed pretty much since the state of California has been a state. Never mind that the access, parking and, well, everything actually, including law enforcement and EMS, all are the responsibility of, and owned by San Francisco. The only reason that the NPS is involved at all was because when they formed the GGNRA in 1977 they claimed that part of the restaurant sat inside it and therefore was a concession under NPS rules. It fronts a city street and has all of the parking spaces owned by the city. It costs them absolutely nothing to operate on a day to day basis, employ's people who don't get a paycheck from them, yet they forced them to close down over this. Absolutely pointless other than to play the "Make it hurt" game.
 
2013-10-05 08:16:43 PM

born_yesterday: udhq: I, for one, am enjoying watching conservatives throw a fit because liberals failed to adequately protect them from the consequences of their own actions.

The doublespeak is mind numbing.  The "slimdown" (including loss of jobs and benefits) caused by the Teaparty isn't a big deal, but closure of national parks?  WELCOME TO OBAMA'S BERLIN.


I hate the term "slimdown" in this situation.
The economy is already anorexic. Getting slimmer is just going to kill it.
 
2013-10-05 08:18:15 PM

mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: mr_larry: TuteTibiImperes: BullBearMS: TuteTibiImperes:

"Excepted employees" include employees who are (1) performing emergency work involving the safety of human life or the property.


Where does the White House portrait photographer figure into this?

President Obama Gets Portrait Taken on Oct. 3, During Government Shutdown
 
2013-10-05 08:18:29 PM

PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.


A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.
 
2013-10-05 08:18:49 PM

Nutsac_Jim: Lsherm: cameroncrazy1984: Oh and here's the contingency plan. Nowhere does it state that there is a difference between NPS grounds. It states that ALL NPS property is to be shut down:

http://www.doi.gov/shutdown/fy2014/upload/NPS-contingency-plan.pdf

Mt. Vernon isn't NPS property.

the parking lot for the busses is.  Thats important to pay someone to put up barricades to the lot and stand there to make sure nobody uses the asphalt.

That costs money to use asphault, you know.

I wonder why they arent roadblocking interstates while they are trying to make it inconvenient for citizens.


I can't find anything that suggests the parking for busses is owned by NPS.  The only thing they appear to own is the handicapped/reserved spaces in one parking lot which double as VIP spaces if a dignitary visits.  Even then, they don't own the land its on, they just "service" it.
 
2013-10-05 08:19:06 PM

WippitGuud: born_yesterday: udhq: I, for one, am enjoying watching conservatives throw a fit because liberals failed to adequately protect them from the consequences of their own actions.

The doublespeak is mind numbing.  The "slimdown" (including loss of jobs and benefits) caused by the Teaparty isn't a big deal, but closure of national parks?  WELCOME TO OBAMA'S BERLIN.

I hate the term "slimdown" in this situation.
The economy is already anorexic. Getting slimmer is just going to kill it.


FOX came up with the term when they did the math, and it didn't make them feel better. As I said, they pick one effect of the shutdown, make TV out of it, while in the same breath claim that it isn't a big deal.  It's surreal.
 
2013-10-05 08:19:47 PM

OgreMagi: udhq: I, for one, am enjoying watching conservatives throw a fit because liberals failed to adequately protect them from the consequences of their own actions.

And I'm enjoying the spectacle of Obama showing how much of a petty little asshole he really is.

/not a Republican


Right, because screw import inspections and food shelves, the presidents top priority should be my weekend trip to Big Bear. Frankly, given what is shutdown, I would be outraged if these tourist traps were open.

Face it, conservatives choose to shut down the government, and THEY are the ones who are OUTRAGED!!!!1! about the services that are not available to them as a result.

Most liberals I know view the shutdown as an annoying, unnecessary but relatively minor inconvenience, but judging by these threads, conservatives seem to be losing their collective shiat after a mere 72 without about 17% of the federal government.
 
2013-10-05 08:20:07 PM

WippitGuud: PanicMan: I don't give a shiat.  800,000 people are out of a job.  Cram the national parks up your ass.

A law passed the House today, 208-0, that those 800,000 will receive 100% of their back-pay once they are back to work. So, they are simply on vacation.


So if you're a government worker, you should be hoping for a very long shut down.
 
2013-10-05 08:20:50 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Mrbogey: Teekno: Well. no, not really. There's nothing to back up the claim that that's why the shoulder was closed.

Why do you think they put cones up?

Why should I believe you over what the NPS says?

Because the NPS said (quoting from the article, not the NPS), "the cones were a safety precaution to help channel cars into viewing areas rather than to bar their entrance"?


Do you like repeating ridiculous excuses? You must. Only an idiot would accept that excuse. You are an idiot
 
2013-10-05 08:20:54 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark:

You're speaking of one group of Park Rangers.  There are several types.  One of them is the Old Type:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nations-oldest-full-time-park-ran ge r-furloughed-20478856


That old lady works inside an indoor exhibit that has been shut down.

I spent Monday driving along the coast, 95% of which is the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, a National Park. I head out that way a few times a month, and I have never seen so many National Park Rangers driving around.
 
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