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2013-10-05 06:00:44 PM
6 votes:

GhostFish: And this guy is a software developer?


He does the cows for Farmville.
2013-10-05 01:57:24 PM
5 votes:
I think the Dems should go ahead and give up the individual mandate, totally.
But.... with a caveat. A big one.
Anyone that opts out, needs to be totally out. No insurance at all. You want to be a boostrappy individualist, you pay 100% for all care. No exceptions. And just like student loans, no discharge through bankruptcy.

All right, Randians, time to put up or shut up.
2013-10-05 05:33:34 PM
4 votes:
You guys are glossing over the best part.  The dude that has all 10 kids covered by Medicaid also believes:

FTA: "I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho

*facepalm*
2013-10-05 05:17:11 PM
4 votes:

Dallymo: ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*

*blink*
*blink*

*blink*

I...


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2013-10-05 06:29:30 PM
3 votes:

FloydA: "I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage," Collett said.


I calculated that it's cheaper for me not to have car insurance, as long as I am not in an accident.  It's cheaper for me to not have homeowner's insurance, as long as nothing happens to damage my house.  It's cheaper for me to not have health insurance, as long as I don't get sick or injured.

However, I realize those things could happen, so I bought the insurance anyway, to protect me from unexpected tragedies.  That's what insurance is for.  If I do get sick or injured, the money I spent on insurance will be more than offset by the money I save getting my care paid for.

Why is that concept so hard for Republicans to grasp?


I blame the meth.
2013-10-05 06:23:46 PM
3 votes:

iron de havilland: I cannot grasp why a modern, developed country would not have universal healthcare.

I mean, I've seen the Fark threads that show up every now and then, with farkers begging for donations because their nearest and dearest are sick. And it's depressing to see. My mother survived breast cancer because, through general taxation, everyone in the UK has a basic safety net of the NHS.

She could have gone private, and paid for it, which would have cost big £££s. She may have got her treatment sooner, or in more comfortable conditions. But she didn't have to as healthcare is a basic foundation of society that everyone needs at some point.

And the ultimate irony is in those images I've posted. Americans spend the most on healthcare, with the smallest returns.

/I'm not suggesting that the NHS is perfect, by the way. There have been several major scandals recently, but it seems better than what's available to your average American.


Because if Jesus wanted poor people to have healthcare, he would have gone around healing them himself.
2013-10-05 05:55:27 PM
3 votes:
Wait, his ten kids are covered by medicaid but he doesn't even want that?

And this guy is a software developer?

Did someone put acid in my morning coffee?
2013-10-05 05:44:18 PM
3 votes:

vudutek: I think the Dems should go ahead and give up the individual mandate, totally.
But.... with a caveat. A big one.
Anyone that opts out, needs to be totally out. No insurance at all. You want to be a boostrappy individualist, you pay 100% for all care. No exceptions. And just like student loans, no discharge through bankruptcy.

All right, Randians, time to put up or shut up.


One fatal flaw in your plan: the only people who would actually refuse emergency care to randian assholes would be other randian assholes.
2013-10-05 05:24:45 PM
3 votes:

swaniefrmreddeer: vartian:

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

I was trying to be absurd, but the people against healthcare reform are the ones who will end up costing everybody when they show up in the ER. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US and you can't get blood from a stone.


Whatever, you're canadian, what would you know about proper healthcare.
2013-10-05 08:15:00 PM
2 votes:

FloydA: Why is that concept so hard for Republicans to grasp?


If you get sick, you should be putting all your faith in Jesus.

Buying health insurance demonstrates a lack of faith

They find your lack of faith disturbing
2013-10-05 07:47:25 PM
2 votes:
FTA: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."


Also FTA: ""I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho, who would rather pay the fine for now -- $95 the first year -- than signup."

I read both sentences, then read them again. Then i decided to place my brain in a warm bath, and not think any more for the day.
/f*cking idiots
2013-10-05 07:38:17 PM
2 votes:

HOOBOY!: vrax: (Hoping you are joking, but...) LOL! Tell that to the ER! I've sat in the ER for hours with people who are there with just about every minor thing your could name. Our local major ER splits people off into what is essentially an urgent care subgroup for your typical uninsured cold, flu, and boo-boo people, but the intake is exactly the same. Their load would probably be cut in half if these people had access to your typical primary care physician.

Hey, pal. My dry skin WAS an emergency to me.


You know who could have helped with that:

lh3.ggpht.com
2013-10-05 07:37:22 PM
2 votes:

Karac: likefunbutnot: If I accept coverage, I'm looking at living paycheck to paycheck in order to have insurance that I'm not going to be using

And you know that ... how?


He saw it on the Internet. It was posted by a French model.
2013-10-05 07:18:33 PM
2 votes:

BumpInTheNight: [www.gregcollettforidaho.com image 157x220]Greg Collett, running for State Rep in Idaho.


That's right, programmer who can't afford all his kids wants to decide on the fate of yours.



i39.tinypic.com
2013-10-05 07:16:08 PM
2 votes:

BumpInTheNight: [www.gregcollettforidaho.com image 157x220]Greg Collett, running for State Rep in Idaho.


That's right, programmer who can't afford all his kids wants to decide on the fate of yours.


THAT guy has known the touch of an actual woman?
2013-10-05 05:25:00 PM
2 votes:
"I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho, who would rather pay the fine for now -- $95 the first year -- than signup.

unless this guy's making $9500/year writing software (maybe school assignments on vDesk or something) sounds like he's in for a rude surprise.
2013-10-05 05:00:37 PM
2 votes:

swaniefrmreddeer: ER's are going to have to deny treatment to anybody without health insurance. Maybe this whole death panel thing isn't actually that bad of an idea, if you could have been insured and chose not to be, then you're on your own. The boot-strap crowd can get all boot-strappy with their own emergency medical care.


Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.


Coco LaFemme: Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.


A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.
2013-10-05 04:35:29 PM
2 votes:

ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*


*blink*
*blink*

*blink*

I...
2013-10-05 02:44:45 PM
2 votes:
"I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage," Collett said.


I calculated that it's cheaper for me not to have car insurance, as long as I am not in an accident.  It's cheaper for me to not have homeowner's insurance, as long as nothing happens to damage my house.  It's cheaper for me to not have health insurance, as long as I don't get sick or injured.

However, I realize those things could happen, so I bought the insurance anyway, to protect me from unexpected tragedies.  That's what insurance is for.  If I do get sick or injured, the money I spent on insurance will be more than offset by the money I save getting my care paid for.

Why is that concept so hard for Republicans to grasp?
2013-10-05 01:13:18 PM
2 votes:
So a guy who home schools his 10 kids in rural Idaho because he distrusts the government, a guy that believes both health insurance and single payer are evil, and a hypocrite.

The third guy is really a gem:

FTA:
Mark, a 51-year-old contractor in Colorado, recently worked through the pain of a broken rib because he lacks health insurance. He'll be signing up, even though his truck carries a bumper sticker that spells out Obama's name as "One big-ass mistake, America".
2013-10-06 11:16:46 AM
1 votes:
The ACA is not viable for many reasons; but at root, the federal government is attempting to take on a problem that it does't have the authority or the ability to resolve.  The scheme that they came up with is rigged, corrupt and unsustainable. Not saying that past or alternate approaches are better or worse, just saying that Obamacare is poorly conceived, badly enacted, and doomed to fail.
2013-10-05 11:10:44 PM
1 votes:

ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*


It's either that or medical experiments for the lot of 'em.

content9.flixster.com
2013-10-05 09:37:16 PM
1 votes:
"Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

But did anyone ever help me out?
2013-10-05 08:34:35 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Why is health care so expensive that every single person needs insurance to pay for it?
Why does any US citizen need insurance?


Good question. Base health care costs in the US are mostly set by the government. Here is 2012:

The formula for calculating 2012 physician fee schedule payment amount is as follows:
2012 Non-Facility Pricing Amount =
[(Work RVU * Work GPCI) +
(Transitioned Non-Facility PE RVU * PE GPCI) +
(MP RVU * MP GPCI)] * Conversion Factor (CF)
2012 Facility Pricing Amount =
[(Work RVU * Work GPCI) +
(Transitioned Facility PE RVU * PE GPCI) +
(MP RVU * MP GPCI)] * CF
The conversion factor for CY 2012 is $34.0376.

All clear?
2013-10-05 08:15:00 PM
1 votes:

HammerHeadSnark: Now you guys stop being mad at me . . . I'm in Costa Rica recovering from (self-paid) oral surgery.


Whoa that's rough, don't the Costa Ricans know about tools like scalpels and such?
2013-10-05 08:13:52 PM
1 votes:
Mark, a 51-year-old contractor in Colorado, recently worked through the pain of a broken rib because he lacks health insurance. He'll be signing up, even though his truck carries a bumper sticker that spells out Obama's name as "One big-ass mistake, America".

"Obamacare, here we come," said Mark, who also declined to give his full name.


We don't need his full name. I hope he gets the insurance, heals properly and has the courage and mental fortitude to scrape that bumper sticker off his truck.
2013-10-05 07:37:28 PM
1 votes:

Il Douchey: Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?


Actually, young fitness nuts are among the demographic least likely to be critical of Obamacare.  You know, liburals.
2013-10-05 07:25:25 PM
1 votes:

BumpInTheNight: Craptastic: BumpInTheNight: [www.gregcollettforidaho.com image 157x220]Greg Collett, running for State Rep in Idaho.


That's right, programmer who can't afford all his kids wants to decide on the fate of yours.

THAT guy has known the touch of an actual woman?

They're all foster children so maybe not.  That concept just raises even more red flags like how does someone who can't afford to insure his kids keep getting allowed to buy more?


Wait, these are foster children?  What irresponsible government agency is giving him children he can't afford to insure properly?
2013-10-05 07:10:00 PM
1 votes:

HOOBOY!: vrax: HOOBOY!: HempHead: LOL! You have never talked to someone injured in an automobile accident thatdidn't have health insurance have you?
You can hit that $30k per accident per person maximum in one visit to the ER after a not very serious accident.

When the hospital finds out you have no insurance they will move you to county poor folks hospital.

And then start sending you the bills.

I was in the ICU for 2 weeks. $300,000. $30K didn't cover the Tylenol they gave me.

It's always shocking when you see the ambulance bill, and that farker just got you to the hospital.

I live about 3 miles from the hospital. $1800 and we didn't even hit a drive thru.


I mean, I'm thankful as anything for our first responders, but when you see the itemization on those bills, it's just absurd.  It's like the Army procured those bandages at the same time as their golden toilet seats or something.
2013-10-05 07:07:23 PM
1 votes:

www.gregcollettforidaho.com

Greg Collett, running for State Rep in Idaho.



That's right, programmer who can't afford all his kids wants to decide on the fate of yours.
2013-10-05 07:06:43 PM
1 votes:
GOP voters putting themselves in a position where they're more likely to die early?

i2.kym-cdn.com
2013-10-05 06:51:30 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*

Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.


I think this butthook is also running for state legislature.  Seems like the same guy...
2013-10-05 06:37:10 PM
1 votes:

DigitalCoffee: red5ish: GhostFish: And this guy is a software developer?

He does the cows for Farmville.

There were 10 times where he did the wrong cow.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Oh this poor sap!
2013-10-05 06:35:06 PM
1 votes:

red5ish: GhostFish: And this guy is a software developer?

He does the cows for Farmville.


There were 10 times where he did the wrong cow.
2013-10-05 06:30:01 PM
1 votes:

Karac: likefunbutnot: If I accept coverage, I'm looking at living paycheck to paycheck in order to have insurance that I'm not going to be using

And you know that ... how?


Duh, because he didn't need it before.
2013-10-05 06:25:57 PM
1 votes:
Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered.

While growing up my father worked for the Forest Service.

I graduated from the University of Idaho in 1997 with a B.S. degree.

We home school our children and attend church in Marsing as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


His childhood security was made possible by the government. His college education was made possible by the government. His kids' health is made possible by the government. Based on Medicaid and family number, they are on food stamps. When I think of a young Republican tool, this is their snapshot.
2013-10-05 06:17:31 PM
1 votes:
"Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. "The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government," he said.

Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."


I really can't get over this
2013-10-05 06:12:27 PM
1 votes:

red5ish: GhostFish: And this guy is a software developer?

He does the cows for Farmville.


I had you Farkied simply as "smart" previous to that post.

I will now add "funny" to your Farkie.

Congratulations. You've earned it.

/Depressing article all in all.
//Coulda been sub-titled "Profles in Derpage".
///Third slashie goes where?
2013-10-05 06:11:47 PM
1 votes:

likefunbutnot: I'm the libbiest lib ever, but it makes no rational sense for me to accept ACA coverage. I work for a very small business that is exempted from pretty much all employment law in the first place, so there's no mandate to provide or subsidize coverage; and I make too much money to be given any federal subsidy for my premiums. For me to enroll in a bronze-level plan, I'm looking at monthly premiums that cost about 9.5% of my income to get 60% coverage. In 14 of the last 15 years, my health care costs have been $0 and coincidentally, I've been saving around 10% of my monthly income for the last eight or nine years. If I accept coverage, I'm looking at living paycheck to paycheck in order to have insurance that I'm not going to be using (and if  I do, the plan I'd be getting would only cover 60% of expenses) when I could be using that money to save for a home or a car or something other than letting an insurance executive make a yacht payment.

I really want to hold out for single payer. The deal I'm getting is a huge shiat sandwich.


No no.  It's excellent legislation -- which was not at all a handout to the health insurance industry -- that must be defended at all costs because we had to do SOMETHING~!
2013-10-05 05:56:29 PM
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: vartian: swaniefrmreddeer: ER's are going to have to deny treatment to anybody without health insurance. Maybe this whole death panel thing isn't actually that bad of an idea, if you could have been insured and chose not to be, then you're on your own. The boot-strap crowd can get all boot-strappy with their own emergency medical care.

Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

Coco LaFemme: Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

If they are red state morons who oppose things just because Obama is for them then yes they do deserve to suffer


Obama is almost a Christlike figure here.

He suffered in order to give you salvation to the masses. For those who accept his sacrifice, a lifetime of grace awaits. For those who don't, punishment and damnation awaits.

/St. Bob the healer.
2013-10-05 05:44:41 PM
1 votes:

Frozboz: You guys are glossing over the best part.  The dude that has all 10 kids covered by Medicaid also believes:

FTA: "I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho

*facepalm*


I think somebody should be double-checking his code...
2013-10-05 05:38:02 PM
1 votes:

Il Douchey: cc1984:That's what you got out of this?

Yup.  The article is hardly representative of the population.  You could cite three or four anecdotes among millions of Americans to suggest whatever you like.  Mine was more of a general questioning of the viability of Obamamcare.


You sounded so concerned.
2013-10-05 05:32:42 PM
1 votes:
So the first guy has a ton of kids who are all on Medicaid.

If he were female and black, the Republicans would call him a welfare queen.
2013-10-05 05:28:53 PM
1 votes:

Dallymo: ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*

*blink*
*blink*

*blink*

I...


Yeah me too.
2013-10-05 05:26:26 PM
1 votes:

2wolves: Can we get Collett some birth control?


I don't even think Obamacare covers that.
2013-10-05 05:25:42 PM
1 votes:
Can we get Collett some birth control?
2013-10-05 05:19:56 PM
1 votes:

DirkValentine: It's duck season.


Wabbit season!
2013-10-05 05:18:39 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?


It's duck season.
2013-10-05 05:18:26 PM
1 votes:

Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.


A friend from high school who to date has been one of the derpiest derpers who ever derped, a total gun nut, and a giant racist sack of anti-Obama shiat just found out this week that he has MS.

Now I wouldn't wish MS on my worst enemy and I'm genuinely upset at the diagnosis, but I would be lying if I said I don't think the current existential crisis he's undergoing is more than a little instructive. I'll be curious to see what his views on ACA are 3 years hence.
2013-10-05 04:45:34 PM
1 votes:

Il Douchey: Well, who did you think was crashing the exchanges trying to get in?  The young healthy people looking to increase their contribution to the collective, or the already costly unhealthy people looking to have someone else pick up most of their tab?

/Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?


That's what you got out of this?
2013-10-05 04:43:06 PM
1 votes:
Well, who did you think was crashing the exchanges trying to get in?  The young healthy people looking to increase their contribution to the collective, or the already costly unhealthy people looking to have someone else pick up most of their tab?

/Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?
 
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