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(NBC News)   Profiles of uninsured who would rather pay the fine than join Obamacare. Yes, they are exactly as you expect   (m.nbcnews.com) divider line 267
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2013-10-06 09:36:48 AM

cepson: To those people outside the U.S. who don't understand why the world's richest, most powerful country lacks a universal healthcare system:

I'm sure you've heard people talk about American exceptionalism. That's the belief by some Americans that the United States is the culmination of historical trend toward freedom, democracy, and economic perfection. We are special, a singular monument to the aspirations of all people, everywhere. And, since we have no real health care "system", then no health care system must be the best health care system there is. If we instead adopt something like the ACA, we'll start sliding downward into socialism and fascism and all the other isms that afflict the rest of the entire world--we'll stop being special. So really what this comes down to is, a small but extremely powerful and vocal minority of people in the United States think that if we adopt a system that provides everyone with access to health care, then we'll be like every other country in the world. And they can't live with the thought. So they're willing to destroy the country to keep that from happening.

Yes, it's completely delusional. But don't act like you've never had batshiat insane leaders before.


Heh. I'm Canadian. The number one father of Conferation and our first (and arguably greatest) Prime Minister was a batshiat crazy drunk who made the finest speech of his career while waving a never emptying water tumbler of straight gin around. Here's to Sir John A. MacDonald!
 
2013-10-06 09:42:08 AM

Rozotorical: MugzyBrown: Why should a young healthy person buy anything? They'll have an inflated premium to pay for the subsidized people, there are laws that guarantees treatment and it's illegal to exclude preexisting conditions.

If this surprises you, then you're an idiot.

Why should we be legally required to purchase something from a private company?


The Supreme Court ruled this was essentially a tax, that's why. Plus the ACA was passed by a duly elected Congress. Sorry you don't like this and the other side presented absolutely no alternative (to be fair the Democrats thought the GOP would be happy to have their idea applied; I guess even the GOP realizes their ideas are terrible).
 
2013-10-06 10:07:29 AM

Il Douchey: kg2095: Was it not passed by Congress, the Senate and signed into law by the President? Has it not also passed the constitutional sniff test by the Supreme Court?

Yes to all of that.  None of which means it's viable. It's not.


If it's not viable that's because it was compromised so that it could pass through Congress.

Despite that it's still better than what it's replacing.
 
2013-10-06 10:14:14 AM

Il Douchey: kg2095: Was it not passed by Congress, the Senate and signed into law by the President? Has it not also passed the constitutional sniff test by the Supreme Court?

Yes to all of that.  None of which means it's viable. It's not.


Based on what evidence? CBO numbers state that it will save the government billions of dollars over the next 10 years. Where's the non-viability?
 
2013-10-06 10:33:04 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: cepson: To those people outside the U.S. who don't understand why the world's richest, most powerful country lacks a universal healthcare system:

I'm sure you've heard people talk about American exceptionalism. That's the belief by some Americans that the United States is the culmination of historical trend toward freedom, democracy, and economic perfection. We are special, a singular monument to the aspirations of all people, everywhere. And, since we have no real health care "system", then no health care system must be the best health care system there is. If we instead adopt something like the ACA, we'll start sliding downward into socialism and fascism and all the other isms that afflict the rest of the entire world--we'll stop being special. So really what this comes down to is, a small but extremely powerful and vocal minority of people in the United States think that if we adopt a system that provides everyone with access to health care, then we'll be like every other country in the world. And they can't live with the thought. So they're willing to destroy the country to keep that from happening.

Yes, it's completely delusional. But don't act like you've never had batshiat insane leaders before.

Wow, that's Oliver Stone grade battshiat crazy, paranoid, conspiratorial insanity right the brotha.


Oliver Stone-grade batshiat crazy paranoid conspiratorial insanity is trying to deny your fellow citizens affordable healthcare (while utilizing it yourself) with unprecedented bureaucratic obstinacy, offering no alternatives in return, launching a nationwide propaganda campaign filled with outright lies, accusing those who need or want it of being socialist leeches, and VOTING FOR THE MAN WHO PROVED IT WORKS IN NOVEMBER, 2012.
 
2013-10-06 10:33:11 AM

Il Douchey: kg2095: Was it not passed by Congress, the Senate and signed into law by the President? Has it not also passed the constitutional sniff test by the Supreme Court?

Yes to all of that.  None of which means it's viable. It's not.


If you support going full single payer, I'd agree that would be better.

If you think letting private insurance companies were just fine as they were I'd ask you if they actually killed of Superman permanently in the 1990s in the alternative reality you must have been living in within the last few decades.
 
2013-10-06 11:02:03 AM

Coco LaFemme: Gosling: I can't help but note that the three people profiled are from Idaho, Montana and Colorado.

Colorado is a fairly blue state, but the other two....that's about what I'd expect.


That's the point, they want you to think they're all back country Hicks so you can dismiss the entire populations opinions.

Small government homeschool dude with 10 kids is an extreme outlier even in Idaho.. You think inner city black dude with 10+ baby mammas is gonna sign up for healthcare?

At least Idaho dude probably only has one wife and is actively attempting to educate his kids. I would hope at least.
 
2013-10-06 11:16:46 AM
The ACA is not viable for many reasons; but at root, the federal government is attempting to take on a problem that it does't have the authority or the ability to resolve.  The scheme that they came up with is rigged, corrupt and unsustainable. Not saying that past or alternate approaches are better or worse, just saying that Obamacare is poorly conceived, badly enacted, and doomed to fail.
 
2013-10-06 11:35:18 AM

HOOBOY!: HammerHeadSnark: The Dynamite Monkey: gaspode: Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid

I don't wish DIAF on anyone as a rule, but here is what he feels is not worth insuring:

[www.gregcollettforidaho.com image 200x245]

Okay, you're just being ingenuous . . . obviously you've been to his site (ya got the picture). Did you miss the part about them being adoptive foster kids? Of course they're on Medicaid . . . they are wards of the state.

I've ignored most of the moronic statements others made because it was likely the commenters were unaware of the nature of the relationship between Greg and the kids, but you went to his site and know he didn't sire them.

He may have sired one or two (I think I see an infant), but he didn't sire ten of them.

What does this change?


He's raising children that aren't his own who would otherwise be homeless or abused? But this is about health insurance right, not the general well being of the population or anything.
 
2013-10-06 11:35:27 AM

Il Douchey: The ACA is not viable for many reasons; but at root, the federal government is attempting to take on a problem that it does't have the authority or the ability to resolve


In what respect are they "attempting to take on" the problem, under what specific constraints do they not "have the authority" and what part or parts of it are "rigged, corrupt and unsustainable" and why?
 
2013-10-06 12:22:30 PM

Il Douchey: The ACA is not viable for many reasons; but at root, the federal government is attempting to take on a problem that it does't have the authority or the ability to resolve.  The scheme that they came up with is rigged, corrupt and unsustainable. Not saying that past or alternate approaches are better or worse, just saying that Obamacare is poorly conceived, badly enacted, and doomed to fail.


Works fine in Massachusetts.
 
2013-10-06 12:37:05 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: vartian:

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

I was trying to be absurd, but the people against healthcare reform are the ones who will end up costing everybody when they show up in the ER. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US and you can't get blood from a stone.


If there are fewer stones, you can try harder. So there's that.
 
2013-10-06 12:43:40 PM

BumpInTheNight: [www.gregcollettforidaho.com image 157x220]Greg Collett, running for State Rep in Idaho.


That's right, programmer who can't afford all his kids wants to decide on the fate of yours.


Lost in a landslide...to a girl.
 
2013-10-06 01:13:54 PM

Il Douchey: The ACA is not viable for many reasons; but at root, the federal government is attempting to take on a problem that it does't have the authority or the ability to resolve.  The scheme that they came up with is rigged, corrupt and unsustainable. Not saying that past or alternate approaches are better or worse, just saying that Obamacare is poorly conceived, badly enacted, and doomed to fail.


It helps if you try to form a detailed argument if you're intent on sowing FUD
 
2013-10-06 02:02:19 PM
cc1984:In what respect are they "attempting to take on" the problem, under what specific constraints do they not "have the authority" and what part or parts of it are "rigged, corrupt and unsustainable" and why?

If the ACA is not an attempt to address the healthcare problem, then what's this all about? what are we doing here?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Under Obamacare, some favored citizens get special waivers and subsidies (i.e. unions and congress) and other citizens don't. Obama arbitrarily enforces some elements of the law, arbitrarily delays others without congressional consent.  The law has been deemed by Supreme Court to be a tax to raise revenues, yet the bill originated in the Senate (revenue bills must originate in the house).  Obama didn't debate the bill on C-Span or post it online for five days before voting on it, as he promised.  Americans are being forced by gov't to purchase something they don't want.  None of the legislators who voted for the law read it before voting.  The law has never enjoyed majority support from the people it affects. The phrase "The Secretary shall determine"  appears in the law so many times that it can effectively be twisted to do or mean whatever the Secretary of HHS wants it to do or mean on the fly. And on and on.  But I think you already know all that.
 
2013-10-06 09:29:35 PM

DigitalCoffee: red5ish: GhostFish: And this guy is a software developer?

He does the cows for Farmville.

There were 10 times where he did the wrong cow.


I'm sitting on a plane in Phoenix, waiting to take off,and I just gota lot of confused looks because I was laughing so hard for no apparent reason.
 
2013-10-06 11:25:16 PM
Il Douchey 2013-10-06 09:24:46 AM

kg2095: Was it not passed by Congress, the Senate and signed into law by the President? Has it not also passed the constitutional sniff test by the Supreme Court?

Yes to all of that. None of which means it's viable. It's not.


You're completely delusional.

*sound of toilet flushing*
 
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