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(NBC News)   Profiles of uninsured who would rather pay the fine than join Obamacare. Yes, they are exactly as you expect   (nbcnews.com) divider line 267
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2013-10-05 07:59:45 PM  

Il Douchey: Well, who did you think was crashing the exchanges trying to get in?  The young healthy people looking to increase their contribution to the collective, or the already costly unhealthy people looking to have someone else pick up most of their tab?

/Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?


You didn't read the article, did you?
 
2013-10-05 08:02:04 PM  

FloydA: vpb: Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?

Sadly, no.  They just go to the ER and get treated, and then when they can't pay, the hospital has to swallow the cost, which they pass on to everyone else.


The bills will follow them and if they owe enough they might be forced into bankruptcy, I have seen it happen, so at least we get some schadenfreude.
 
2013-10-05 08:03:22 PM  

firefly212: FloydA: vpb: Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?

Sadly, no.  They just go to the ER and get treated, and then when they can't pay, the hospital has to swallow the cost, which they pass on to everyone else.

Every farking thread... every farking one...

THE ER DOES NOT TREAT YOU FOR THINGS THAT ARENT EMERGENCIES!


The one where I work does. Wish it didn't, wish patients knew what an emergency was, but you're incorrect. I've seen folks come in for refills on their meds.
 
2013-10-05 08:09:23 PM  

vpb: "I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage," Collett said. "At some point where it would make financial sense to pay for insurance rather than pay fines, I will make the decision from a financial standpoint."

Yes, being a freeloader is usualy cheaper.  Getting all the benefits of living in a developed country while not paying taxes would probably save you some cash too.


I'm curious how he'd answer this question if he were pinned behind the steering wheel that's crushing his sternum.
 
2013-10-05 08:12:07 PM  

HOOBOY!: HammerHeadSnark: The Dynamite Monkey: gaspode: Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid

I don't wish DIAF on anyone as a rule, but here is what he feels is not worth insuring:

[www.gregcollettforidaho.com image 200x245]

Okay, you're just being ingenuous . . . obviously you've been to his site (ya got the picture). Did you miss the part about them being adoptive foster kids? Of course they're on Medicaid . . . they are wards of the state.

I've ignored most of the moronic statements others made because it was likely the commenters were unaware of the nature of the relationship between Greg and the kids, but you went to his site and know he didn't sire them.

He may have sired one or two (I think I see an infant), but he didn't sire ten of them.

What does this change?


His adopted/foster kids are covered by Medicaid because it's a condition their placement, but he doesn't think they should be. While he's still a gigantic dumbass (who has run for public office in Idaho twice and gotten trounced both times...think about that, he's too crazy to govern in Idaho!), he's not a hypocrite since if he had his way he'd leave his own kids uninsured too. So he's got that going for him, I guess.
 
2013-10-05 08:13:01 PM  
So he took in eight other kids without the means to insure them and let the state pick that tab up, rather than free them from the tyranny of gubmn't healthcare?  Is that what you're saying?

No, I'm saying they are *not* his kids . . . they are wards of the state and the state pays their insurance *and* an allowance for their clothes and all kinds of stuff. All the guy and his wife did was remove some kids from an orphanage and provide them a home.

Of course, the guy and his wife prob'ly get eight or nine hunnert bucks per kid per month . . . but hey, he's raisin' somebody else's kids. That oughta be worth somethin'. Right?

I'm not a Republican and my first thoughts were pretty much in line with everyone else's re: him being some anti-gubmint maroon. I guess in my heart I have a small amount of respect for the guy that willfully picks up another man's burden.

Now you guys stop being mad at me . . . I'm in Costa Rica recovering from (self-paid) oral surgery.
 
2013-10-05 08:13:38 PM  
Occam's Disposable Razor:  The one where I work does. Wish it didn't, wish patients knew what an emergency was, but you're incorrect. I've seen folks come in for refills on their meds.

Rural?  More patients = more DSH money.
 
2013-10-05 08:13:52 PM  
Mark, a 51-year-old contractor in Colorado, recently worked through the pain of a broken rib because he lacks health insurance. He'll be signing up, even though his truck carries a bumper sticker that spells out Obama's name as "One big-ass mistake, America".

"Obamacare, here we come," said Mark, who also declined to give his full name.


We don't need his full name. I hope he gets the insurance, heals properly and has the courage and mental fortitude to scrape that bumper sticker off his truck.
 
2013-10-05 08:14:01 PM  

HammerHeadSnark: DigitalCoffee: red5ish: GhostFish: And this guy is a software developer?

He does the cows for Farmville.

There were 10 times where he did the wrong cow.

Okay, there've been a lot of comments about this guy needing condoms and such, and all his kids being on Medicaid, but I just visited his site. As far as I can tell, his kids are either adopted or foster care children -- and if foster care . . . well, they're automatically covered by Medicare.

I'm not white knighting this guy. In fact I wanted to change his Weeners, ""I calculated it out. . . ." to something that more accurately represented his politics: I studied it out. . . .

Family profile, Greg Collett

He's still a moron . . . but he seems to have one or two redeeming qualities.


You are correct, all foster children who receive federal reimbursement for foster care expenses are eligible for Medicaid. However, in my understanding, Idaho is one of those states that does not accept federal reimbursement. Who would have thought?

Idaho currently foster care pays (monthly) $274 up to age 2, $300 up to age 9 and $431 up to age 16. The Federal (MARC) levels are (monthly) $602 up to age 2, $689 up to age 9 and $756 up to age 16. Essentially, Idaho needs to increase its payments to get reimbursed by the Federal government, therefore his kids are on Medicaid because of family size and his income.
 
2013-10-05 08:15:00 PM  

FloydA: Why is that concept so hard for Republicans to grasp?


If you get sick, you should be putting all your faith in Jesus.

Buying health insurance demonstrates a lack of faith

They find your lack of faith disturbing
 
2013-10-05 08:15:00 PM  

HammerHeadSnark: Now you guys stop being mad at me . . . I'm in Costa Rica recovering from (self-paid) oral surgery.


Whoa that's rough, don't the Costa Ricans know about tools like scalpels and such?
 
2013-10-05 08:15:50 PM  

vrax: poot_rootbeer: When your income is barely enough to survive on, and every dollar counts, it's understandable that paying $100 a year in fines sounds like a better option than paying $100 a month for subsidized health coverage.

It does sound better until you actually get sick, go to the ER and are instantly saddled with more than your entire year's worth of premiums in one shot.


What the Fark Independents fail to realize is an ER will stabilize you and provide emergency treatment. The additional maintenance treatment can and will be denied if you are without insurance or ability to pay. Granted without the maintenance treatment  you will be back at some point but you will be much sicker than if you had the maintenance treatments you might need. This is especially true with things like diabetes and many heart issues. Also, the fact that they have to treat you in the ER does not mean that they don't charge you and will happily force you into bankruptcy for the cost of the treatment.
 
2013-10-05 08:17:05 PM  

HammerHeadSnark: No, I'm saying they are *not* his kids . . . they are wards of the state and the state pays their insurance *and* an allowance for their clothes and all kinds of stuff. All the guy and his wife did was remove some kids from an orphanage and provide them a home.



While technically you are correct, if it is anything like the "home" around the corner with 8 foster kids they are raised like cattle because "the more the merrier*"

*"merrier" being a word from a long forgotten language that means "greater the government pays us".
 
2013-10-05 08:18:33 PM  

HammerHeadSnark: So he took in eight other kids without the means to insure them and let the state pick that tab up, rather than free them from the tyranny of gubmn't healthcare?  Is that what you're saying?

No, I'm saying they are *not* his kids . . . they are wards of the state and the state pays their insurance *and* an allowance for their clothes and all kinds of stuff. All the guy and his wife did was remove some kids from an orphanage and provide them a home.

Of course, the guy and his wife prob'ly get eight or nine hunnert bucks per kid per month . . . but hey, he's raisin' somebody else's kids. That oughta be worth somethin'. Right?

I'm not a Republican and my first thoughts were pretty much in line with everyone else's re: him being some anti-gubmint maroon. I guess in my heart I have a small amount of respect for the guy that willfully picks up another man's burden.

Now you guys stop being mad at me . . . I'm in Costa Rica recovering from (self-paid) oral surgery.


Not mad at you, bro.  Not even mad at the dude for taking in kids.  But given that apparently he can't afford to insure those kids that he's taken in he might have thought "you know, maybe some government paid for health care isn't a bad thing in certain situations."  yeah it would be nice if it could be done without the government, but it can't.
 
2013-10-05 08:18:52 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.


These are the same folks who think birth control and abortion is the devil.

vicioushobbit: I forgot to add the ER visit for appendicitis, where people with SPIDER BITES were seen before my ass.


Proper prioritization can solve this, and some of it is happening to some existent, but not to the level of detail that it should.

CSB time:

A few years ago, I had a pericarditis episode and my wife drove me to the ER.  I knew it wasn't a heart attack (because it was drug-induced and slow building), but I didn't quite know exactly what it is.  A hot shower made it much worse, which prompted me to get help, and it had all of the symptoms a heart attack by the time I was at the ER.

I remember getting to the ER with chest pain, shortness of breath, and telling the front desk lady my symptoms.  She then sat us down to get my medical information.  I remember thinking how dumbfounded I was with this lady casually trying to get my goddamn insurance information while I'm having, for all she knows, a heart attack right in front of her.

About 4-5 minutes into this paperwork bullshiat, with my wife answering most of my questions, I said something to the effect of "Chest pain... trouble breathing... doctor NOW!"  She disappeared behind a curtain and, a few seconds later, came back with "Yes, okay, they are ready for you now".

At least the blitzkerg of doctors and nurses right afterwards made up for it.
 
2013-10-05 08:19:03 PM  
So you're telling me Operation Enlightened Trust Fund, or whatever that Koch Bros "grass-roots" campaign was to get college-educated kids to pay the fine instead of sign up was a hilarious failure??

/b-b-b-but liberal institutions REMOVE free will!!
 
2013-10-05 08:22:39 PM  
Why is health care so expensive that every single person needs insurance to pay for it?
Why does any US citizen need insurance?
 
2013-10-05 08:23:16 PM  

vudutek: I think the Dems should go ahead and give up the individual mandate, totally.
But.... with a caveat. A big one.
Anyone that opts out, needs to be totally out. No insurance at all. You want to be a boostrappy individualist, you pay 100% for all care. No exceptions. And just like student loans, no discharge through bankruptcy.

All right, Randians, time to put up or shut up.


And hospitals have the right to deny you service based on your inability to pay. If they want free markets...unfetter the hospitals from this barbaric requirement of being forced to waste resources on non-paying clients.
 
2013-10-05 08:26:53 PM  

PinkFuzzyBunny: vudutek: I think the Dems should go ahead and give up the individual mandate, totally.
But.... with a caveat. A big one.
Anyone that opts out, needs to be totally out. No insurance at all. You want to be a boostrappy individualist, you pay 100% for all care. No exceptions. And just like student loans, no discharge through bankruptcy.

All right, Randians, time to put up or shut up.

And hospitals have the right to deny you service based on your inability to pay. If they want free markets...unfetter the hospitals from this barbaric requirement of being forced to waste resources on non-paying clients.


multimedia.billybrew.com


But keep on jerking off to Ayn Rand collecting her ss check while tossing teh poors to the hyenas.
 
2013-10-05 08:32:45 PM  

jst3p: While technically you are correct, if it is anything like the "home" around the corner with 8 foster kids they are raised like cattle because "the more the merrier*"


Not defending this guy but don't paint all foster parents with the same brush.  I know one foster family who have fostered a lot of kids - and ended up adopting several of them.  Also know foster kids at my school whose stories make your heart break (like the kid who thankfully was being fostered when his father killed the kids grandmother.  He ended up being adopted by his foster family :-)
 
2013-10-05 08:34:35 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Why is health care so expensive that every single person needs insurance to pay for it?
Why does any US citizen need insurance?


Good question. Base health care costs in the US are mostly set by the government. Here is 2012:

The formula for calculating 2012 physician fee schedule payment amount is as follows:
2012 Non-Facility Pricing Amount =
[(Work RVU * Work GPCI) +
(Transitioned Non-Facility PE RVU * PE GPCI) +
(MP RVU * MP GPCI)] * Conversion Factor (CF)
2012 Facility Pricing Amount =
[(Work RVU * Work GPCI) +
(Transitioned Facility PE RVU * PE GPCI) +
(MP RVU * MP GPCI)] * CF
The conversion factor for CY 2012 is $34.0376.

All clear?
 
2013-10-05 08:37:38 PM  

LazarusLong42: So the first guy has a ton of kids who are all on Medicaid.

If he were female and black, the Republicans would call him a welfare queen.


And think of the food stamps he gets
 
2013-10-05 08:40:05 PM  

LazarusLong42: So the first guy has a ton of kids who are all on Medicaid.

If he were female and black, the Republicans would call him a welfare queen.


I knew he was white simply from how they were using him as an example.
 
2013-10-05 08:50:23 PM  

Wadded Beef: Mark, a 51-year-old contractor in Colorado, recently worked through the pain of a broken rib because he lacks health insurance. He'll be signing up, even though his truck carries a bumper sticker that spells out Obama's name as "One big-ass mistake, America".

"Obamacare, here we come," said Mark, who also declined to give his full name.

We don't need his full name. I hope he gets the insurance, heals properly and has the courage and mental fortitude to scrape that bumper sticker off his truck.


My girlfriend's family lives in the Denver suburbs and unfortunately, she knows plenty of people who are pretty much exactly like the guy in the article.

/and yes, they have the same bumper stickers too
 
2013-10-05 08:55:22 PM  
Delay: Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered.

While growing up my father worked for the Forest Service.

I graduated from the University of Idaho in 1997 with a B.S. degree.

We home school our children and attend church in Marsing as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


==

His childhood security was made possible by the government. His college education was made possible by the government. His kids' health is made possible by the government. Based on Medicaid and family number, they are on food stamps. When I think of a young Republican tool, this is their snapshot.

The family is probably also receiving Church Welfare too. Mormons take care of their own if they request it.
 
2013-10-05 08:57:12 PM  

Doc Lee: Occam's Disposable Razor:  The one where I work does. Wish it didn't, wish patients knew what an emergency was, but you're incorrect. I've seen folks come in for refills on their meds.

Rural?  More patients = more DSH money.


Jackson, MS. Was the same story in Shreveport, LA when I was there, but I've heard Louisiana's governor is doing his best to bankrupt the healthcare system there by refusing federal funds, so their policies may have changed since then. I know Shreveport is no longer a level 1 trauma center.

Jackson has a "rapid track" that we try to shunt non emergent patients to, but it's understaffed and basically only open during business hours, so it doesn't help a whole lot.
 
2013-10-05 08:59:20 PM  
Idaho currently foster care pays (monthly) $274 up to age 2, $300 up to age 9 and $431 up to age 16. The Federal (MARC) levels are (monthly) $602 up to age 2, $689 up to age 9 and $756 up to age 16. Essentially, Idaho needs to increase its payments to get reimbursed by the Federal government, therefore his kids are on Medicaid because of family size and his income.

So this guy gets about $4000 a month based on his family picture.  Nice way to supplement your income.  As a bonus, you have a bunch of chore slaves!

And he also gets to fill their heads with bullshiat and screw them up permanently, and your entry into Heaven is guaranteed if you sign up at least 10 people
 
2013-10-05 09:04:36 PM  
"I would benefit from a socialized healthcare situation right now. But that's not to say that the socialized method is a good idea," he said. And he doesn't gamble with his two sons. One, in college, is covered through the school plan, while his high-school-aged son is covered by his mother's health insurance that she gets through her employer.

www.palzoo.net
 
2013-10-05 09:06:08 PM  

Somacandra: The family is probably also receiving Church Welfare too. Mormons take care of their own if they request it.


Good point. Mormon contributions to fund his lifestyle are tax deductible expenses. I had not thought about that.
 
2013-10-05 09:13:16 PM  

pueblonative: HammerHeadSnark: So he took in eight other kids without the means to insure them and let the state pick that tab up, rather than free them from the tyranny of gubmn't healthcare?  Is that what you're saying?

No, I'm saying they are *not* his kids . . . they are wards of the state and the state pays their insurance *and* an allowance for their clothes and all kinds of stuff. All the guy and his wife did was remove some kids from an orphanage and provide them a home.

Now you guys stop being mad at me . . . I'm in Costa Rica recovering from (self-paid) oral surgery.

Not mad at you, bro.  Not even mad at the dude for taking in kids.  But given that apparently he can't afford to insure those kids that he's taken in he might have thought "you know, maybe some government paid for health care isn't a bad thing in certain situations."  yeah it would be nice if it could be done without the government, but it can't.


Absolutely nothing in the article even suggested he couldn't afford insurance for the kids. The state of Idaho automatically enrolls foster kids in Medicaid . . . the health (and insurance) of foster kids is the responsibility of the state. While the guy may be providing a home for the kids, they are still wards of, and the responsibility of, the state. When the guy and his wife get a kid the kid arrives with a plastic garbage bag with all his worldly possessions, a file folder detailing school grades and accomplishments, and a Medicaid policy number . . . because, you see, the kids are not this guy's kids. They are the state's kids and the state has certain responsibilities, one of which is providing health care. Their dental care is also state paid. Clothing, too. Depending on the state -- and the child's age -- an allowance for spending money might also be available.

The only things foster families are required to provide are good home environment, educational opportunities, and food. Having a foster kids is like boarding someone's pet. Only much more work.

You guys can keep harping on crap about the insurance and Medicaid, but you clearly don't understand. Here's a short answer: ALL foster kids are always on Medicaid until they reach their majority. At that point they have "aged out" and are sent packing into the cold, cruel world . . . penniless and broken, setting forth once again with their shredded and torn garbage bag stuffed once again with all they possess. Well, that is, unless "mom 'n dad" adopt them and 'let' them care for the young 'uns.

/To the guy who wondered if Costa Ricans, without benefit of scalpels, do surgery with their teeth (oral surgery) I can say that's the first I've laughed since Monday.
 
2013-10-05 09:17:33 PM  

TheAnalogKid: And he also gets to fill their heads with bullshiat and screw them up permanently, and your entry into Heaven is guaranteed if you sign up at least 10 people


In my work I deal with a lot of Mormon folks in Utah. I don't agree with their religion, and they never try to convert me (that may say more about me than them). They invite me to dinner at their houses and we often talk politics intelligently.

I don't agree that Mormon religious beliefs are any more bullshiat than some other religion.
 
2013-10-05 09:18:37 PM  

BumpInTheNight: HammerHeadSnark: Now you guys stop being mad at me . . . I'm in Costa Rica recovering from (self-paid) oral surgery.

Whoa that's rough, don't the Costa Ricans know about tools like scalpels and such?


that was pretty funny. It made me laugh. Thanks.

Actually, this place is both awesome and amazingly affordable. Enough so that I saved thousands even while flying here first class from Seattle. Next time I may bring some tools with me -- will you be available?
 
2013-10-05 09:21:32 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: Coco LaFemme: Gosling: I can't help but note that the three people profiled are from Idaho, Montana and Colorado.

Colorado is a fairly blue state, but the other two....that's about what I'd expect.

denver and boulder are blue, the rest of the state is pretty red.  colorado springs comes to mind.  see also: state reps voting against hurricane relief but for colorado flood disaster relief.


Don't forget Fort Collins, Vail, Aspen and Telluride. Fort Collins is a college town and the others are resort towns. I don't know why the resort towns go blue, but they do.
 
2013-10-05 09:25:10 PM  
that's fine. They just have to pay upfront for medical services...
 
2013-10-05 09:25:19 PM  

Delay: HammerHeadSnark: DigitalCoffee: red5ish: GhostFish: And this guy is a software developer?

He does the cows for Farmville.

There were 10 times where he did the wrong cow.

Okay, there've been a lot of comments about this guy needing condoms and such, and all his kids being on Medicaid, but I just visited his site. As far as I can tell, his kids are either adopted or foster care children -- and if foster care . . . well, they're automatically covered by Medicare.

I'm not white knighting this guy. In fact I wanted to change his Weeners, ""I calculated it out. . . ." to something that more accurately represented his politics: I studied it out. . . .

Family profile, Greg Collett

He's still a moron . . . but he seems to have one or two redeeming qualities.

You are correct, all foster children who receive federal reimbursement for foster care expenses are eligible for Medicaid. However, in my understanding, Idaho is one of those states that does not accept federal reimbursement. Who would have thought?

Idaho currently foster care pays (monthly) $274 up to age 2, $300 up to age 9 and $431 up to age 16. The Federal (MARC) levels are (monthly) $602 up to age 2, $689 up to age 9 and $756 up to age 16. Essentially, Idaho needs to increase its payments to get reimbursed by the Federal government, therefore his kids are on Medicaid because of family size and his income.


I had no idea Idaho was so backward . . . wait! Yes I did. Thanks for the numbers. I'm not certain how much the family gets each month or if whatever is received is taxable (on a state or federal level), but I don't begrudge that family a single cent. Children are a commitment -- one that I've never made.

The guy looks jerky and nerdy, and I'd prob'ly look upon him with disdain and sneer at him from my barstool, but knowing he's a foster parent tempers my natural nastiness.
 
2013-10-05 09:30:13 PM  
/leaving satisfied
//excessive ignorance never fails to disappoint
 
2013-10-05 09:32:22 PM  

FloydA: "I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage," Collett said.


I calculated that it's cheaper for me not to have car insurance, as long as I am not in an accident.  It's cheaper for me to not have homeowner's insurance, as long as nothing happens to damage my house.  It's cheaper for me to not have health insurance, as long as I don't get sick or injured.

However, I realize those things could happen, so I bought the insurance anyway, to protect me from unexpected tragedies.  That's what insurance is for.  If I do get sick or injured, the money I spent on insurance will be more than offset by the money I save getting my care paid for.

Why is that concept so hard for Republicans to grasp?


That's one area where the "no pre-existing condition" part of the law is problematic, in that you can wait until you're sick to buy insurance, hence the fines.

This whole "compromise" is a farce; if we had gotten single payer we'd just be paying for this out of paychecks, and bozos like that couldn't try to screw the rest of us.
 
2013-10-05 09:35:08 PM  

Selena Luna: Don't forget Fort Collins, Vail, Aspen and Telluride. Fort Collins is a college town and the others are resort towns. I don't know why the resort towns go blue, but they do.


They have contact with the outside world.

Republican politicians and media sources try to convince their victims that anyone from the northeast or the west coast are just limousine liberals out to steal all their money and give it to lazy, drugged-out, freeloading black welfare queens.

This is much harder to do if the their targets have been inoculated by actually met an someone from either coast or a person with a skin tone darker than lite mayonnaise.
 
2013-10-05 09:35:08 PM  

HammerHeadSnark: Absolutely nothing in the article even suggested he couldn't afford insurance for the kids. The state of Idaho automatically enrolls foster kids in Medicaid . . . the health (and insurance) of foster kids is the responsibility of the state. While the guy may be providing a home for the kids, they are still wards of, and the responsibility of, the state. When the guy and his wife get a kid the kid arrives with a plastic garbage bag with all his worldly possessions, a file folder detailing school grades and accomplishments, and a Medicaid policy number . . . because, you see, the kids are not this guy's kids. They are the state's kids and the state has certain responsibilities, one of which is providing health care. Their dental care is also state paid. Clothing, too. Depending on the state -- and the child's age -- an allowance for spending money might also be available.


Other than the fact that he said that he'd rather pay the fine.  Okay, the state puts them on Medicaid regardless of the families ability to provide insurance.I get that.  But if he could afford it, wouldn't he have said something about that.he's providing insurance other than what the state is.  And if they cut that from the interview I'd expect him to put out his side of the story and scream about NBC being liars.  And from what I've seen, most policies include the parent paying as well as the kids.
 
2013-10-05 09:37:16 PM  
"Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

But did anyone ever help me out?
 
2013-10-05 09:39:55 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Craptastic: BumpInTheNight: [www.gregcollettforidaho.com image 157x220]Greg Collett, running for State Rep in Idaho.


That's right, programmer who can't afford all his kids wants to decide on the fate of yours.

THAT guy has known the touch of an actual woman?

They're all foster children so maybe not.  That concept just raises even more red flags like how does someone who can't afford to insure his kids keep getting allowed to buy more?


If they are foster kids, he is getting a stipend from the state to care for them.

"June 3, 2013

Dear Foster Parent,
As you may have heard, during the last legislative session, the Idaho Legislature approved an additional increase in the monthly foster care stipend rates.  This increase will become effective July 1, 2013.  The new rates are:
Ages 0-5         $329 per month per child from $301
Ages 6-12       $366 per month per child from $339
Ages 13 +       $487 per month per child from $453"
http://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/Children/AdoptionFosterCareHome/Fo st erAdoptiveParentResources/tabid/1899/Default.aspx
 
2013-10-05 09:44:07 PM  

HammerHeadSnark: The guy looks jerky and nerdy, and I'd prob'ly look upon him with disdain and sneer at him from my barstool, but knowing he's a foster parent tempers my natural nastiness.


Same here, although falsely portraying himself to be a providing father to 10 kids when he is not providing for their care at all seems to be a lie. I still consider him to be a Republican tool. No worse than any of the others. It's like Marcus Bachmann pretending to be a husband.
 
2013-10-05 09:44:38 PM  

Il Douchey: Well, who did you think was crashing the exchanges trying to get in?  The young healthy people looking to increase their contribution to the collective, or the already costly unhealthy people looking to have someone else pick up most of their tab?

/Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?


Do you realize that one of the things driving the increases in healthcare is a lack of preventative care? Treat hypertension early, and you may not have a costly heart attack.

/Republicans
//are dumbshiats
 
2013-10-05 09:46:00 PM  
Surprisingly troll-free in this thread.
 
2013-10-05 09:51:17 PM  

Il Douchey: Well, who did you think was crashing the exchanges trying to get in?  The young healthy people looking to increase their contribution to the collective, or the already costly unhealthy people looking to have someone else pick up most of their tab?

/Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?


I feel the same way, I've never been in an accident or had a ticket for almost 18 years.  So why should I have to pay for car insurance?  I'm just getting fleeced, having to pay for bad drivers making mistakes.

/What do you mean that's how insurance pools work?
 
2013-10-05 09:51:24 PM  
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2013-10-05 09:56:46 PM  

firefly212: THE ER DOES NOT TREAT YOU FOR THINGS THAT ARENT EMERGENCIES!


That is one of the goals of Obamacare. With insurance people are more likely to see their own physician rather than use emergency services for non-urgent issues. Is this what you mean, that the ER is meant for emergencies?
 
2013-10-05 09:58:50 PM  

Ablejack: firefly212: THE ER DOES NOT TREAT YOU FOR THINGS THAT ARENT EMERGENCIES!

That is one of the goals of Obamacare. With insurance people are more likely to see their own physician rather than use emergency services for non-urgent issues. Is this what you mean, that the ER is meant for emergencies?


It's what I find funny about the 'just go to the ER' mentality.  Sure, they will treat your heart attack, maybe even give you some pills that will last a few weeks.  But what about afterwards, follow up care?  You will be charged an arm and a leg on follow up appointments and medicine and nobody will give that to you unless you have insurance, or cash up front.
 
2013-10-05 10:00:04 PM  

Ablejack: firefly212: THE ER DOES NOT TREAT YOU FOR THINGS THAT ARENT EMERGENCIES!

That is one of the goals of Obamacare. With insurance people are more likely to see their own physician rather than use emergency services for non-urgent issues. Is this what you mean, that the ER is meant for emergencies?


Apparently the time of ER doctors spent diagnosing non-emergencies isn't money better spent elsewhere.
 
2013-10-05 10:01:11 PM  

pueblonative: HammerHeadSnark: Absolutely nothing in the article even suggested he couldn't afford insurance for the kids. The state of Idaho automatically enrolls foster kids in Medicaid . . . the health (and insurance) of foster kids is the responsibility of the state. While the guy may be providing a home for the kids, they are still wards of, and the responsibility of, the state. When the guy and his wife get a kid the kid arrives with a plastic garbage bag with all his worldly possessions, a file folder detailing school grades and accomplishments, and a Medicaid policy number . . . because, you see, the kids are not this guy's kids. They are the state's kids and the state has certain responsibilities, one of which is providing health care. Their dental care is also state paid. Clothing, too. Depending on the state -- and the child's age -- an allowance for spending money might also be available.

Other than the fact that he said that he'd rather pay the fine.  Okay, the state puts them on Medicaid regardless of the families ability to provide insurance.I get that.  But if he could afford it, wouldn't he have said something about that.he's providing insurance other than what the state is.  And if they cut that from the interview I'd expect him to put out his side of the story and scream about NBC being liars.  And from what I've seen, most policies include the parent paying as well as the kids.


This is from 2007:  Pick a state

I'm gonna come right out and say it. Many of the families that enroll as foster parents do so for a variety of reasons, but two stand out: the wife wants children (but can't bear) or they see a financial benefit to providing foster care. The more children, the more they receive. I don' know this family's motivations, but outside of what he earns as a programmer they're prob'ly bringing in another $4000-$5000 per month. If their motivation is solely financial (unlikely), do you think they'd spend a single dime of their own money on some damn foster kid?

My state offers everything I mentioned: food, play clothes, medical, dental, school clothes, and even money for discretionary spending by the child. (Oh, school trips and even day camp during the summer months.)

Now it's time for my dinner . . . I bought it; I'm eatin' it.
 
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