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2013-10-05 12:56:22 PM
"Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 01:08:21 PM
"I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage," Collett said. "At some point where it would make financial sense to pay for insurance rather than pay fines, I will make the decision from a financial standpoint."

Yes, being a freeloader is usualy cheaper.  Getting all the benefits of living in a developed country while not paying taxes would probably save you some cash too.
 
2013-10-05 01:13:18 PM
So a guy who home schools his 10 kids in rural Idaho because he distrusts the government, a guy that believes both health insurance and single payer are evil, and a hypocrite.

The third guy is really a gem:

FTA:
Mark, a 51-year-old contractor in Colorado, recently worked through the pain of a broken rib because he lacks health insurance. He'll be signing up, even though his truck carries a bumper sticker that spells out Obama's name as "One big-ass mistake, America".
 
2013-10-05 01:57:24 PM
I think the Dems should go ahead and give up the individual mandate, totally.
But.... with a caveat. A big one.
Anyone that opts out, needs to be totally out. No insurance at all. You want to be a boostrappy individualist, you pay 100% for all care. No exceptions. And just like student loans, no discharge through bankruptcy.

All right, Randians, time to put up or shut up.
 
2013-10-05 02:09:30 PM
I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.
 
2013-10-05 02:44:45 PM
"I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage," Collett said.


I calculated that it's cheaper for me not to have car insurance, as long as I am not in an accident.  It's cheaper for me to not have homeowner's insurance, as long as nothing happens to damage my house.  It's cheaper for me to not have health insurance, as long as I don't get sick or injured.

However, I realize those things could happen, so I bought the insurance anyway, to protect me from unexpected tragedies.  That's what insurance is for.  If I do get sick or injured, the money I spent on insurance will be more than offset by the money I save getting my care paid for.

Why is that concept so hard for Republicans to grasp?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 02:58:39 PM

Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.


That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?
 
2013-10-05 03:32:34 PM

vpb: Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?


Sadly, no.  They just go to the ER and get treated, and then when they can't pay, the hospital has to swallow the cost, which they pass on to everyone else.
 
2013-10-05 03:43:56 PM
FloydA:

Sadly, no.  They just go to the ER and get treated, and then when they can't pay, the hospital has to swallow the cost, which they pass on to everyone else.

ER's are going to have to deny treatment to anybody without health insurance. Maybe this whole death panel thing isn't actually that bad of an idea, if you could have been insured and chose not to be, then you're on your own. The boot-strap crowd can get all boot-strappy with their own emergency medical care.
 
2013-10-05 04:35:29 PM

ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*


*blink*
*blink*

*blink*

I...
 
2013-10-05 04:43:06 PM
Well, who did you think was crashing the exchanges trying to get in?  The young healthy people looking to increase their contribution to the collective, or the already costly unhealthy people looking to have someone else pick up most of their tab?

/Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?
 
2013-10-05 04:43:59 PM

FloydA: vpb: Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?

Sadly, no.  They just go to the ER and get treated, and then when they can't pay, the hospital has to swallow the cost, which they pass on to everyone else.


Ayup. This is the big thing everyone seems to miss. People are still going to get sick and you are still going to be stuck paying for it whether or not they have insurance.
 
2013-10-05 04:45:34 PM

Il Douchey: Well, who did you think was crashing the exchanges trying to get in?  The young healthy people looking to increase their contribution to the collective, or the already costly unhealthy people looking to have someone else pick up most of their tab?

/Does it really surprise you that the intended victims of this ponzi scheme aren't eager to be fleeced?


That's what you got out of this?
 
2013-10-05 04:47:54 PM

ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*


Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.
 
2013-10-05 04:48:43 PM
If'n he's fer it, I'm agin it
 
2013-10-05 05:00:37 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: ER's are going to have to deny treatment to anybody without health insurance. Maybe this whole death panel thing isn't actually that bad of an idea, if you could have been insured and chose not to be, then you're on your own. The boot-strap crowd can get all boot-strappy with their own emergency medical care.


Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.


Coco LaFemme: Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.


A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.
 
2013-10-05 05:09:45 PM
vartian:

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

I was trying to be absurd, but the people against healthcare reform are the ones who will end up costing everybody when they show up in the ER. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US and you can't get blood from a stone.
 
2013-10-05 05:10:06 PM

vartian: Coco LaFemme: Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.


You make it sound like I'm advocating for eugenics or something.  I'm not.  I'm advocating for common sense.  If you're poor and can barely afford to care for yourself, it makes absolutely no sense to have that many children.  If you've got so many kids that you can't afford to insure them and you have to put everyone on Medicaid, that's a problem.

Condoms are cheaper than health insurance.  Wrap that shiat up.
 
2013-10-05 05:10:14 PM
Honest question:  I thought you guys were going to get free universal healthcare like the rest of us do, what's this you gotta pay out of pocket business?  Why not just do the right thing and extract it via taxation like anything else?  Then these idiots who are so bad at life just flat out can't avoid what's best for them.
 
2013-10-05 05:13:35 PM

BumpInTheNight: Honest question:  I thought you guys were going to get free universal healthcare like the rest of us do, what's this you gotta pay out of pocket business?  Why not just do the right thing and extract it via taxation like anything else?  Then these idiots who are so bad at life just flat out can't avoid what's best for them.


That would be an ideal solution.  Unfortunately a large portion of the US population still views socialized programs as bad, despite how effective they are everywhere else they've been implemented, or how effective they've been here in terms of Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Public Education.
 
2013-10-05 05:17:11 PM

Dallymo: ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*

*blink*
*blink*

*blink*

I...


img.fark.net
 
2013-10-05 05:18:26 PM

Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.


A friend from high school who to date has been one of the derpiest derpers who ever derped, a total gun nut, and a giant racist sack of anti-Obama shiat just found out this week that he has MS.

Now I wouldn't wish MS on my worst enemy and I'm genuinely upset at the diagnosis, but I would be lying if I said I don't think the current existential crisis he's undergoing is more than a little instructive. I'll be curious to see what his views on ACA are 3 years hence.
 
2013-10-05 05:18:39 PM

vpb: Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?


It's duck season.
 
2013-10-05 05:19:56 PM

DirkValentine: It's duck season.


Wabbit season!
 
2013-10-05 05:21:07 PM
I can't help but note that the three people profiled are from Idaho, Montana and Colorado.
 
2013-10-05 05:21:24 PM
cc1984:That's what you got out of this?

Yup.  The article is hardly representative of the population.  You could cite three or four anecdotes among millions of Americans to suggest whatever you like.  Mine was more of a general questioning of the viability of Obamamcare.
 
2013-10-05 05:24:16 PM

Gosling: I can't help but note that the three people profiled are from Idaho, Montana and Colorado.


Colorado is a fairly blue state, but the other two....that's about what I'd expect.
 
2013-10-05 05:24:45 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: vartian:

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

I was trying to be absurd, but the people against healthcare reform are the ones who will end up costing everybody when they show up in the ER. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US and you can't get blood from a stone.


Whatever, you're canadian, what would you know about proper healthcare.
 
2013-10-05 05:25:00 PM
"I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho, who would rather pay the fine for now -- $95 the first year -- than signup.

unless this guy's making $9500/year writing software (maybe school assignments on vDesk or something) sounds like he's in for a rude surprise.
 
2013-10-05 05:25:42 PM
Can we get Collett some birth control?
 
2013-10-05 05:26:26 PM

2wolves: Can we get Collett some birth control?


I don't even think Obamacare covers that.
 
2013-10-05 05:27:03 PM

Coco LaFemme: vartian: Coco LaFemme: Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

You make it sound like I'm advocating for eugenics or something.  I'm not.  I'm advocating for common sense.  If you're poor and can barely afford to care for yourself, it makes absolutely no sense to have that many children.  If you've got so many kids that you can't afford to insure them and you have to put everyone on Medicaid, that's a problem.

Condoms are cheaper than health insurance.  Wrap that shiat up.


B-bu-but condoms make Baby Jesus cry!!!

/given that it's Idaho, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the reason that guy isn't using birth control
 
2013-10-05 05:28:33 PM

ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*


If he has that many kids, he would probably be eligible for Medicaid himself. I just looked up eligibility requirements for Medicaid in Idaho. For a household with 12 residents (himself, his wife and 10 kids), the most he can make is $8,590 a month ($103,080 a year). One of the ways an adult in Idaho to get Medicaid is if they have a child under the age of 19. As his kids are on Medicaid and he most likely has a kid under age 19, he would qualify as well.
 
2013-10-05 05:28:43 PM

Coco LaFemme: Gosling: I can't help but note that the three people profiled are from Idaho, Montana and Colorado.

Colorado is a fairly blue state, but the other two....that's about what I'd expect.


denver and boulder are blue, the rest of the state is pretty red.  colorado springs comes to mind.  see also: state reps voting against hurricane relief but for colorado flood disaster relief.
 
2013-10-05 05:28:53 PM

Dallymo: ginandbacon: "Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered."

*sigh*

*blink*
*blink*

*blink*

I...


Yeah me too.
 
2013-10-05 05:31:18 PM

FloydA: vpb: Hoban Washburne: I would hope that each of these assholes has a catastrophic health issue, but then they'd still get healthcare and just pass the costs on to the rest of us.

That raises an interesting question.

What happens when people get sick, don't have insurance and it isn't an open season?  I guess they get to be the example of why it's stupid to not have insurance?

Sadly, no.  They just go to the ER and get treated, and then when they can't pay, the hospital has to swallow the cost, which they pass on to everyone else.


Seriously. This is apparently a concept that Republicans are mentally incapable of understanding. They scream "No Obamacare! No government using my taxes to pay for other people's health" as if our taxes aren't already being used to pay for other people's health via ER expenses. And this is one of the 2 biggest reasons why the US spends so much in health care and yet has worse quality than almost every other developed country. If we're already spending the money anyway, what is the problem of reforming the system to make it a little more efficient?
 
2013-10-05 05:31:38 PM

swaniefrmreddeer: FloydA:

Sadly, no.  They just go to the ER and get treated, and then when they can't pay, the hospital has to swallow the cost, which they pass on to everyone else.

ER's are going to have to deny treatment to anybody without health insurance. Maybe this whole death panel thing isn't actually that bad of an idea, if you could have been insured and chose not to be, then you're on your own. The boot-strap crowd can get all boot-strappy with their own emergency medical care.



if memory serves, and sometimes it dont
that was the "price" for buying out the charity hospitals
 
2013-10-05 05:32:42 PM

spcMike: swaniefrmreddeer: vartian:

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

I was trying to be absurd, but the people against healthcare reform are the ones who will end up costing everybody when they show up in the ER. Medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US and you can't get blood from a stone.

Whatever, you're canadian, what would you know about proper healthcare.


I went to the ER in the states once. They maxed out my credit card and I had insurance.
 
2013-10-05 05:32:42 PM
So the first guy has a ton of kids who are all on Medicaid.

If he were female and black, the Republicans would call him a welfare queen.
 
2013-10-05 05:33:06 PM
It's a tax, not a fine.

Which Kochsucking rag is this?
 
2013-10-05 05:33:32 PM

pueblonative: DirkValentine: It's duck season.

Wabbit season!


Ed Zachary
 
2013-10-05 05:33:34 PM
You guys are glossing over the best part.  The dude that has all 10 kids covered by Medicaid also believes:

FTA: "I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho

*facepalm*
 
2013-10-05 05:34:42 PM

LazarusLong42: So the first guy has a ton of kids who are all on Medicaid.

If he were female and black, the Republicans would call him a welfare queen.


Damn those imaginary republicans!
 
2013-10-05 05:35:47 PM

Frozboz: You guys are glossing over the best part.  The dude that has all 10 kids covered by Medicaid also believes:

FTA: "I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho

*facepalm*


Maybe he thinks keeping his kids out of the public school and homeschooling them himself evens out the balance.
 
2013-10-05 05:38:02 PM

Il Douchey: cc1984:That's what you got out of this?

Yup.  The article is hardly representative of the population.  You could cite three or four anecdotes among millions of Americans to suggest whatever you like.  Mine was more of a general questioning of the viability of Obamamcare.


You sounded so concerned.
 
2013-10-05 05:40:48 PM

Coco LaFemme: vartian: Coco LaFemme: Maybe the lesson to be learned here is not to breed like the human race is dying out when you can't properly take care of all your spawnlings.  The United States is not an agrarian society anymore, we don't need people having 10+ children to make sure there's enough manual labor for the farms.

A wish for denial of treatment, Invoking of untreated sickness and a call for child limitation. This is not a fun thread.

You make it sound like I'm advocating for eugenics or something.  I'm not.  I'm advocating for common sense.  If you're poor and can barely afford to care for yourself, it makes absolutely no sense to have that many children.  If you've got so many kids that you can't afford to insure them and you have to put everyone on Medicaid, that's a problem.

Condoms are cheaper than health insurance.  Wrap that shiat up.


Keep in mind... If Reps stopped trying to defund, hamper or close Planned Parenthood, there are also cheap/free birth control pills. Heck, the state of Maine (when I was there from 2001-2006) gave away condoms upon request, without red tape or any tracking. All of that is cheaper and easier than the responsibility of being a parent. I made sure that I was never in a position to get pregnant when I couldn't afford more than myself... Because I want my children to not be in serious want.
 
2013-10-05 05:41:05 PM

Frozboz: You guys are glossing over the best part.  The dude that has all 10 kids covered by Medicaid also believes:

FTA: "I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho

*facepalm*


Don't forget this part of TFA soon after your quoted comment... But it's "absolutely not okay," that they are, Collett says quickly. "There are a lot of people out there that'll cry foul."
 
2013-10-05 05:44:07 PM
This guy ran for office.   http://www.gregcollettforidaho.com/
 
2013-10-05 05:44:18 PM

vudutek: I think the Dems should go ahead and give up the individual mandate, totally.
But.... with a caveat. A big one.
Anyone that opts out, needs to be totally out. No insurance at all. You want to be a boostrappy individualist, you pay 100% for all care. No exceptions. And just like student loans, no discharge through bankruptcy.

All right, Randians, time to put up or shut up.


One fatal flaw in your plan: the only people who would actually refuse emergency care to randian assholes would be other randian assholes.
 
2013-10-05 05:44:41 PM

Frozboz: You guys are glossing over the best part.  The dude that has all 10 kids covered by Medicaid also believes:

FTA: "I don't think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance," says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho

*facepalm*


I think somebody should be double-checking his code...
 
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