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(BBC)   Oh ho ho ho. You went skiing in the Alps? How droll. Running with the bulls? A passing fancy. You want to know about my vacation? I went to Detroit to see the poors   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 81
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2013-10-05 03:54:24 PM
Slum tourism?  So they teach Detroiters how to fish for life?
 
2013-10-05 04:17:28 PM
It's obvious really. They just want to live like common people. They want to do whatever common people do. They want to sleep with the common people...like you. 'Cause they think that poor is cool.
 
2013-10-05 05:01:10 PM
What's wrong with this?  The poor travel by bus to tour rich people homes with a bucket and a broom.
 
2013-10-05 05:03:25 PM
The truly brave will love our Camden NJ backpacking camp out special.
 
2013-10-05 05:04:56 PM
Tiorted.

I just noticed that "Detroit" spelled backwards sounds like an urban dictionary entry.

Perhaps:

Tiorted: the feeling one experiences after watching a major American city descend into dystopic bankruptcy while Boeing, AIPAC, and both major political parties seek to attack Syria.
 
2013-10-05 05:07:47 PM
People have been doing this shiat for years.  Plus, old article is old.


cdn1.wn.com
 
2013-10-05 05:11:03 PM
affordablehousinginstitute.org

It's not exactly a new passion in America either.
 
2013-10-05 05:12:39 PM
 
2013-10-05 05:12:40 PM

Public Call Box: [affordablehousinginstitute.org image 850x571]

It's not exactly a new passion in America either.


Pet Shop Boys wrote a song about it, 30 years ago.
 
2013-10-05 05:23:03 PM
This is not a new phenomena, and Detroit could use more dollars coming in.
 
2013-10-05 05:23:40 PM
Can't we just have a foobies thread?
 
2013-10-05 05:25:18 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-05 05:26:56 PM
I think touring shiatty places is pretty dumb. You could easily get mugged, raped, abducted, and it'll take a long time before someone reports about the crime to the police. Much worse, maybe even the police has connections to the criminals.

If you want to feel good about yourself by knowing how poor other people are, just go give a donation or something to a local charity and take a picture of your receipt and say you just saved a bunch of babies' lives.
 
2013-10-05 05:28:37 PM
CSB time... back in the days when gasoline wasn't so pricey, we used to "car cruise" - looping through town endlessly, hitting on girls, playing our music, occasionally getting into fights, etc, etc... I knew some spoiled girls who liked to talk on and on about how bad things were for them, how bad their parents were, so when the occasion arose, I would take them down to Detroit - specifically to the Cass Corridor to see how bad it can really be. It was like a "scared straight" for girls who are upset that they can't keep their horse at the very best farms available or get a new car on their 16th birthday, particularly when they see the crackhead hookers or a homeless guy shooting up on the bus bench.

Today I'd add a side trip to Davison Ave, where even the McDonald's has its workers safely encased in bullet-proof glass.
 
2013-10-05 05:31:39 PM
You have our gratitude.
 
2013-10-05 05:32:51 PM
I would go to Detroit for the photo opportunities.

But then again, if the place is a shiat hole, there will be people there who will kill me for a few dollars.

Conclusion: Fark you, Detroit! Raggedly-ass American city.
 
2013-10-05 05:34:58 PM

LesserEvil: CSB time... back in the days when gasoline wasn't so pricey, we used to "car cruise" - looping through town endlessly, hitting on girls, playing our music, occasionally getting into fights, etc, etc... I knew some spoiled girls who liked to talk on and on about how bad things were for them, how bad their parents were, so when the occasion arose, I would take them down to Detroit - specifically to the Cass Corridor to see how bad it can really be. It was like a "scared straight" for girls who are upset that they can't keep their horse at the very best farms available or get a new car on their 16th birthday, particularly when they see the crackhead hookers or a homeless guy shooting up on the bus bench.

Today I'd add a side trip to Davison Ave, where even the McDonald's has its workers safely encased in bullet-proof glass.

encased in bullet-proof glass

really?

 
2013-10-05 05:35:56 PM
"Ahh, Thunston! Good to see you on this fine day! How are you old bean?"
"Wondrous, woundrous, I'm about to partake in a spot of poor hunting."
"Indeed, indeed. Mind if I join in your slum safari? I even have my poor rifle."
 
2013-10-05 05:38:58 PM

Public Call Box: [affordablehousinginstitute.org image 850x571]

It's not exactly a new passion in America either.


Please - the Schermerhorns of Fifth Avenue hardly need an introduction from you...
 
2013-10-05 05:40:33 PM
Detroit is no favela or shanty town.

But Detroit is surprisingly beautiful, like many of these impoverished areas.

I'm all for educational tourism. You just have to try to avoid exploitation. It's a balancing act. Riding a tour bus thru the township may not teach you anything...

Most all tourism has some embarrassingly awkward moments.
 
2013-10-05 05:42:39 PM
Wasn't there a murder for hire a few years ago? Some model got killed in South Africa somewhere when they were touring a poor area, was it soweto?
 
2013-10-05 05:44:08 PM

FrancoFile: Public Call Box: [affordablehousinginstitute.org image 850x571]

It's not exactly a new passion in America either.

Pet Shop Boys wrote a song about it, 30 years ago.


Goddamnit, now it's stuck in my head.
 
2013-10-05 05:45:22 PM

Trocadero: FrancoFile: Public Call Box: [affordablehousinginstitute.org image 850x571]

It's not exactly a new passion in America either.

Pet Shop Boys wrote a song about it, 30 years ago.

Goddamnit, now it's stuck in my head.


You think you're mad, too unstable?
 
2013-10-05 05:46:38 PM
Every single one of you who is able to read this, Thank your lucky stars.
 
2013-10-05 05:46:48 PM

some_beer_drinker: LesserEvil: CSB time... back in the days when gasoline wasn't so pricey, we used to "car cruise" - looping through town endlessly, hitting on girls, playing our music, occasionally getting into fights, etc, etc... I knew some spoiled girls who liked to talk on and on about how bad things were for them, how bad their parents were, so when the occasion arose, I would take them down to Detroit - specifically to the Cass Corridor to see how bad it can really be. It was like a "scared straight" for girls who are upset that they can't keep their horse at the very best farms available or get a new car on their 16th birthday, particularly when they see the crackhead hookers or a homeless guy shooting up on the bus bench.

Today I'd add a side trip to Davison Ave, where even the McDonald's has its workers safely encased in bullet-proof glass.

encased in bullet-proof glass

really?


I myself have been to quite a few service orintated establishments that keep a very thick wall of glass between the workers and the custimors
 
2013-10-05 05:47:41 PM
I'm seeing a great future for enterpresing hostage taking start-ups.
 
2013-10-05 05:48:30 PM
Paraphrasing, but the only people who think that being poor is "interesting" are the rich.
 
2013-10-05 05:49:29 PM

Bslim: I'm seeing a great future for enterpresing hostage taking start-ups.


Or immersion experiences.

/cue up Bill Murray in The Man Who Knew Too Little
 
2013-10-05 06:01:42 PM
Variations of this shirt have been around for nigh on 30 years.  Of course, most likely to be seen on white suburbanites.

rlv.zcache.com
 
2013-10-05 06:04:27 PM

hoodiowithtudio: Wasn't there a murder for hire a few years ago? Some model got killed in South Africa somewhere when they were touring a poor area, was it soweto?


Are you referring to the couple who was on their honeymoon in south africa, the husband set them up to be kidnapped during a slum tour and his wife murdered so he could have her money?

Her name was anni dewani and that was outside of cape town.
 
2013-10-05 06:05:18 PM

FrancoFile: Bslim: I'm seeing a great future for enterpresing hostage taking start-ups.

Or immersion experiences.

/cue up Bill Murray in The Man Who Knew Too Little


Blockbuster Video... Des Moines, Iowa...
 
2013-10-05 06:05:32 PM
Dems and racial indentity politics has turned the rock city into a third world hell hole
 
2013-10-05 06:07:24 PM

Nemo's Brother: Dems and racial indentity politics has turned the rock city into a third world hell hole


Don't forget massive corruption and incompetence.
 
2013-10-05 06:14:24 PM

o'really: hoodiowithtudio: Wasn't there a murder for hire a few years ago? Some model got killed in South Africa somewhere when they were touring a poor area, was it soweto?

Are you referring to the couple who was on their honeymoon in south africa, the husband set them up to be kidnapped during a slum tour and his wife murdered so he could have her money?

Her name was anni dewani and that was outside of cape town.


Btw, that was 3years ago and they still haven't managed to extradite the husband back to africa yet. He's british millionaire.
 
2013-10-05 06:18:19 PM

Bermuda59: You have our gratitude.


Send him...to Detroit.
 
2013-10-05 06:19:26 PM

hoodiowithtudio: Wasn't there a murder for hire a few years ago? Some model got killed in South Africa somewhere when they were touring a poor area, was it soweto?


no it was actually a rich area but the perp was a paraplegic.
 
2013-10-05 06:24:08 PM
There's a trend of slum tourism, or you could go to northern Thailand and probably not catch a half brick to your head.
 
2013-10-05 06:33:25 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-05 06:34:37 PM
Slum tourism... would explain why those bug-eyed gray UFO aliens show up here on Earth every so often.
 
2013-10-05 06:38:06 PM
I went on the tour of Dharavi a few years ago. It was fascinating and very sensitive to the residents. No photos allowed.
 
2013-10-05 06:44:42 PM

wildcardjack: There's a trend of slum tourism, or you could go to northern Thailand and probably not catch a half brick to your head.


The danger is half the fun.

Think of an African safari, but you're not allowed to shoot back at attacking animals.
 
2013-10-05 06:55:26 PM

some_beer_drinker: LesserEvil: CSB time... back in the days when gasoline wasn't so pricey, we used to "car cruise" - looping through town endlessly, hitting on girls, playing our music, occasionally getting into fights, etc, etc... I knew some spoiled girls who liked to talk on and on about how bad things were for them, how bad their parents were, so when the occasion arose, I would take them down to Detroit - specifically to the Cass Corridor to see how bad it can really be. It was like a "scared straight" for girls who are upset that they can't keep their horse at the very best farms available or get a new car on their 16th birthday, particularly when they see the crackhead hookers or a homeless guy shooting up on the bus bench.

Today I'd add a side trip to Davison Ave, where even the McDonald's has its workers safely encased in bullet-proof glass.

encased in bullet-proof glass

really?


Yes. I have been to a lot of "rough" urban areas in cities around the US, and that is the only location I have ever seen like that. I believe McDonalds has a long-standing corporate policy against putting armor between the workers and the customers - so you KNOW it is not a safe place to be out in the open.

8 Mile is a strange demarcation, as well.... south side of the road is cheap gas, and lots of signs saying stuff like "off premises surveillance" (so armed robbers know it is pointless to try and find the recorders to trash them, and kill the workers), north of the road, far more "civilized".

When I spent more time driving through town for work, I recall seeing a lot of young men in wheelchairs - the effects of injuries from drive-bys and gang fights.

Some parts of downtown have become more gentrified, though... not without some resistance from those who would keep the city down, though.
 
2013-10-05 06:59:56 PM
deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com

Look Smithers, a blue-collar bar let's go slumming
Also, Christian Hansen from the article sounds like a major A-1 douche

Meanwhile, Christian Hansen from San Francisco says: "The most interesting thing is the working conditions of the people. I didn't expect them to be so industrial."
 
2013-10-05 07:03:09 PM
For what it's worth, Detroit won the bid to host the 2014 North America Science Fiction Convention (NASFiC).
 
2013-10-05 07:05:12 PM
Say what you will, that takes balls if you're white and there isn't a hokey game on.
 
2013-10-05 07:05:47 PM

ReverendJynxed: Say what you will, that takes balls if you're white and there isn't a hokey game on.


Heh hockey too. Freudian?
 
2013-10-05 07:07:26 PM

anfrind: For what it's worth, Detroit won the bid to host the 2014 North America Science Fiction Convention (NASFiC).


That's because post-apocalyptic dystopian cities are standard fare in the genre.
 
2013-10-05 07:07:36 PM
invictus2:I didn't expect them to be so industrial."

And by industrial it was like a friggen' Cabaret Voltaire open air theatre with Ministereal overtones.
 
2013-10-05 07:22:34 PM
Slum tourism: Patronising or social enlightenment?


I've got my own opinion, but I'll let you decide.
 
2013-10-05 07:28:47 PM
I did take a bus tour of the katrina flood damage, in 2007 or 2008. I am still not sure whether it makes me a bad person. Fwiw, I did learn a good bit about the whole mess.

/yes, yes, CSB
 
2013-10-05 07:32:45 PM

LesserEvil: some_beer_drinker: LesserEvil: CSB time... back in the days when gasoline wasn't so pricey, we used to "car cruise" - looping through town endlessly, hitting on girls, playing our music, occasionally getting into fights, etc, etc... I knew some spoiled girls who liked to talk on and on about how bad things were for them, how bad their parents were, so when the occasion arose, I would take them down to Detroit - specifically to the Cass Corridor to see how bad it can really be. It was like a "scared straight" for girls who are upset that they can't keep their horse at the very best farms available or get a new car on their 16th birthday, particularly when they see the crackhead hookers or a homeless guy shooting up on the bus bench.

Today I'd add a side trip to Davison Ave, where even the McDonald's has its workers safely encased in bullet-proof glass.

encased in bullet-proof glass

really?

Yes. I have been to a lot of "rough" urban areas in cities around the US, and that is the only location I have ever seen like that. I believe McDonalds has a long-standing corporate policy against putting armor between the workers and the customers - so you KNOW it is not a safe place to be out in the open.

8 Mile is a strange demarcation, as well.... south side of the road is cheap gas, and lots of signs saying stuff like "off premises surveillance" (so armed robbers know it is pointless to try and find the recorders to trash them, and kill the workers), north of the road, far more "civilized".

When I spent more time driving through town for work, I recall seeing a lot of young men in wheelchairs - the effects of injuries from drive-bys and gang fights.

Some parts of downtown have become more gentrified, though... not without some resistance from those who would keep the city down, though.


My ex is from detroit and when we visited his family we stayed in the renaissance ctr downtown. That was trippy, all the low level service workers in the hotel being native English speakers...

I didn't feel in danger at all, but i did note the bulletproof glass on all the drive thrus. he wouldn't let me get out of the car to get my car charger out of the trunk when we were on the east side after seeing his family.

I don't know if he was being overly paranoid or if i was living in a naive sense of safety, being the white girl from the suburbs. Hard to say, but the dichotomy of the lovely tree-lined streets of brick houses with the bullet-proof glass is bizarre.

Detroit is truly a dystopian world, I'd definitely recommend it.
 
2013-10-05 08:22:26 PM
HAY! We're not ALL poor!

I don't know any rich people though, but I do know a guy with a 401K. I think. Yeah, I'm lying.
 
2013-10-05 08:32:01 PM
Sir Hammerlock upon first noble interactions with the savages without tea going on 10 intervals of the clock mechanism....

This unique ebony bulbous sack although reminiscent... *spearshot booyah*
 
2013-10-05 08:33:41 PM

LeilaK: It's obvious really. They just want to live like common people. They want to do whatever common people do. They want to sleep with the common people...like you. 'Cause they think that poor is cool.


24.media.tumblr.com
blog.urbanoutfitters.com
 
2013-10-05 08:48:15 PM
Why do I need to go?  Fark greenlights a photograph collection of the "decline of Detroit" every other week.

Same old crap - ohhh, an abandoned art deco building is now a parking lot!  And here is a street of empty lots and crack houses.  And over here are plants and weeds growing out of a pile of old school text books in an abandoned school - how poignant!
 
2013-10-05 08:59:46 PM

ReverendJynxed: ReverendJynxed: Say what you will, that takes balls if you're white and there isn't a hokey game on.

Heh hockey too. Freudian?


You mean a "Honky Rink"!
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-05 09:48:59 PM
I dunno. I heard that someone got murdered in Detroit a few years ago.
 
2013-10-05 09:54:03 PM
Hey, I walked through Liberty City at night.  Does that count for something?
 
2013-10-05 09:59:16 PM
I'm so jealous of the poor now.
 
2013-10-05 10:03:46 PM
"the poors"?  No one went grammar nazi on subby?
 
2013-10-05 10:25:29 PM

darth_shatner:


Time to embrace.... I would embrace u so hard.
 
2013-10-05 10:34:45 PM
I've had Germans ask me to take them on tours of the South Bronx, and the requests definitely had an air of "I want to be able to tell people back home I saw the dangerous spots like we heard about in movies." I thought was distasteful, so I declined.

One of these same people later moved away from the W 150s in Manhattan (having moved there for a cheap apartment) after feeling traumatized by the (relatively) high rate of crime in the neighborhood. The last straw was a murder outside her apartment building. I didn't feel too sorry for her, to be honest.

/CSS
 
2013-10-05 11:41:01 PM

SirEattonHogg: "the poors"?  No one went grammar nazi on subby?


We've embraced it. We're all poors now.

/at least we're not moops.
 
2013-10-05 11:54:24 PM

SirEattonHogg: "the poors"?  No one went grammar nazi on subby?


Where the hell have YOU been??
 
2013-10-05 11:58:24 PM

baconbeard: I dunno. I heard that someone got murdered in Detroit a few years hours ago.


FTFY.

Oh wait, that should be min....

Awe screw it, they just found another body.


I liked this article as much as the Top Gear episode shot in Africa, around people who may never get to sit in a car.  I couldn't finish the episode or the article.
 
2013-10-05 11:59:48 PM
The good news: after eight years of Obama, you won't have to go very far...
 
2013-10-06 12:11:52 AM

lack of warmth: I liked this article as much as the Top Gear episode shot in Africa, around people who may never get to sit in a car. I couldn't finish the episode or the article.


I can only imagine the Top Gear guys in Africa. About as culturally sensitive as their tour of the Southern US, I imagine.

I have no problem with slum tourism, if it's done with sensitivity and out of a real interest in the culture of the country. Is it any different or worse than a bus full of tourists going around the Hollywood Hills? Or walking along Castro Street?
 
2013-10-06 12:23:07 AM

whatshisname: lack of warmth: I liked this article as much as the Top Gear episode shot in Africa, around people who may never get to sit in a car. I couldn't finish the episode or the article.

I can only imagine the Top Gear guys in Africa. About as culturally sensitive as their tour of the Southern US, I imagine.

I have no problem with slum tourism, if it's done with sensitivity and out of a real interest in the culture of the country. Is it any different or worse than a bus full of tourists going around the Hollywood Hills? Or walking along Castro Street?


O_o

Yes.

Going around the Hollywood Hills, or the Castro, you're visiting people mostly like yourself in a country that's your own, in a culture that is only superficially different from the one you live in every day. The drag queens will go home at sunset, and even the queer homeless teenage whores have a modicum of a life that is comparatively secure and endurable. At least, you can picture yourself living it.

If you choose to gawk at the favelas above Rio, it's going to be no more immersive than a day at the zoo. It is not your country, and you have no idea what it is to live in a tin-walled shack with no floor, electricity or running water, where the cops engage in killing child beggars for target practice and nobody cares, and where if you were to leave your air-conditioned tour bus or walking group for even fifteen minutes, you would likely never be heard of again. You'll return to the US or England as completely ignorant of real life in the favelas as all those Europeans who did the Grand Tour of Africa 120 years ago.

Just like going to the zoo or even a wildlife park teaches you nothing about how wild animals live, slum tourism teaches you nothing about other cultures. It merely gives you the sensation that you do, and a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.
 
2013-10-06 12:26:22 AM
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2013-10-06 12:33:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: slum tourism teaches you nothing about other cultures. It merely gives you the sensation that you do


I've visited many people who are far less fortunate than myself. From India to Ethiopia to Laos. I don't judge them, I don't exploit them, I don't gawk. I just interact with them in whatever way I can. Maybe I can never understand their way of life, but what I do get from the experience is a better understanding and appreciation for how I live my life. I guess the other option is to pretend they don't exist.
 
2013-10-06 01:29:42 AM

megarian: HAY! We're not ALL poor!

I don't know any rich people though, but I do know a guy with a 401K. I think. Yeah, I'm lying.


The low cost of living is a perk... I have a friend who has lived all over but his favorite city is Detroit.Hes an artist tho. I could never live there, too cold!
 
2013-10-06 01:42:24 AM
"poors" is now a fark meme?  I missed that one and I waste a lot of time on this site.
 
2013-10-06 03:30:39 AM

SirEattonHogg: "poors" is now a fark meme?  I missed that one and I waste a lot of time on this site.


It's Farks part of the S&P.

/We sure don't have any standards
 
2013-10-06 06:34:58 AM
Actually, slum tours make perfect sense.  Who goes on tours?  People with a lot of money.  And what is the point of having a lot of money?  To delude one's self into thinking that this trait somehow makes one's self superior to everyone else, especially people who don't have a lot of money.  So since a vacation tour is, like everything else in their lives, just another form of ego-masturbation, it is then perfectly logical for them to deliberately seek out the most destitute people in the area so that they can increase their smug mockery quotient.
 
2013-10-06 06:58:22 AM

NephilimNexus: Who goes on tours?  People with a lot of money


If going on a tour/vacation is a sign of extreme wealth for you then you really need to reconsider your attitude regarding wealthy people lest you run out of friends once you hit 30.
 
2013-10-06 07:30:53 AM

NephilimNexus: Actually, slum tours make perfect sense.  Who goes on tours?  People with a lot of money.  And what is the point of having a lot of money?  To delude one's self into thinking that this trait somehow makes one's self superior to everyone else, especially people who don't have a lot of money.  So since a vacation tour is, like everything else in their lives, just another form of ego-masturbation, it is then perfectly logical for them to deliberately seek out the most destitute people in the area so that they can increase their smug mockery quotient.


And here i was, going along in life thinking that I'd like to have a buncha money for comfort and security in my future.

Little did i know the only true reason to seek out wealth was to be able to look down on the rest of the world.

Thanks for setting me straight.
 
2013-10-06 08:10:06 AM
Souvenirs!
img2.timeinc.net
 
2013-10-06 10:04:29 AM

some_beer_drinker: LesserEvil: CSB time... back in the days when gasoline wasn't so pricey, we used to "car cruise" - looping through town endlessly, hitting on girls, playing our music, occasionally getting into fights, etc, etc... I knew some spoiled girls who liked to talk on and on about how bad things were for them, how bad their parents were, so when the occasion arose, I would take them down to Detroit - specifically to the Cass Corridor to see how bad it can really be. It was like a "scared straight" for girls who are upset that they can't keep their horse at the very best farms available or get a new car on their 16th birthday, particularly when they see the crackhead hookers or a homeless guy shooting up on the bus bench.

Today I'd add a side trip to Davison Ave, where even the McDonald's has its workers safely encased in bullet-proof glass.

encased in bullet-proof glass

really?


Same thing in san diego near the border iirc.
 
2013-10-06 10:08:52 AM

super_grass: Nemo's Brother: Dems and racial indentity politics has turned the rock city into a third world hell hole

Don't forget massive corruption and incompetence.


Someone post that video of the Detroit city council woman drunkenly going off on the chairman, then the followup with the middle school girls calling her out for being a jackass.
 
2013-10-06 12:46:43 PM

SirEattonHogg: "poors" is now a fark meme?  I missed that one and I waste a lot of time on this site.


I think it originated on the politics tab.
 
2013-10-06 06:00:42 PM

SirEattonHogg: "the poors"?  No one went grammar nazi on subby?


'Tis British dialect.
 
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