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(Washington Examiner)   Don't Tread On Me: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has refused a request from the National Park Service to close several state park sites   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 330
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2013-10-05 11:54:12 AM
Hero tag approves! Good job, governor. Thanks for standing up to those corrupt jerks in dc
 
2013-10-05 11:55:31 AM
Good luck keeping them open without those federal dollars, Scott.
 
2013-10-05 11:56:03 AM

rooftop235: Thanks for standing up to those corrupt jerks in dc


i know. house republicans are real assholes, aren't they?
 
2013-10-05 12:18:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Good luck keeping them open without those federal dollars, Scott.


FTFA: Gov. Walker explained that the Badger State, not the Feds, provides the majority of the parks' funding so there is no need for a closure
 
2013-10-05 12:21:02 PM

jim32rr: cameroncrazy1984: Good luck keeping them open without those federal dollars, Scott.

FTFA: Gov. Walker explained that the Badger State, not the Feds, provides the majority of the parks' funding so there is no need for a closure


"the majority"

How much is it actually?
 
2013-10-05 12:22:19 PM
Cool.  We found some funding we can cut from here on out.
 
2013-10-05 12:41:07 PM
 
2013-10-05 12:41:41 PM
Walker deserves credit.  Rather than look for ways to maximum pain on people in this stalemate, Walker is working to find ways to help the people get through it.  That's what chief executives are supposed to do.
 
2013-10-05 12:42:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Good luck keeping them open without those federal dollars, Scott.


How much does it cost to not put up a barricade?
 
2013-10-05 12:43:37 PM
Another bridge is without a troll. How sad
 
2013-10-05 12:45:21 PM

SkinnyHead: Walker deserves credit.  Rather than look for ways to maximum pain on people in this stalemate, Walker is working to find ways to help the people get through it.  That's what chief executives are supposed to do.


Walker deserves nothing. Like I said, good luck keeping them open without federal funding.
 
2013-10-05 12:45:57 PM

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: Good luck keeping them open without those federal dollars, Scott.

How much does it cost to not put up a barricade?


Here's a guy who doesn't understand that national and state parks cost money to stay open.
 
2013-10-05 12:46:13 PM

TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html


People seem to have a hard time understanding that these closures are necessary because the number of park rangers and other stewards have been greatly reduced due to the shutdown.

If there's no law enforcement presence to ensure the safety of those using the parks and federal waterways, as well as to enforce regulations regarding to how those areas are used and protect against illegal hunting and fishing practices, those areas can not be allowed to remain open.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 12:46:31 PM
So?  They're state parks not federal.  If he wants to provide the funding then good.
 
2013-10-05 12:50:10 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

People seem to have a hard time understanding that these closures are necessary because the number of park rangers and other stewards have been greatly reduced due to the shutdown.

If there's no law enforcement presence to ensure the safety of those using the parks and federal waterways, as well as to enforce regulations regarding to how those areas are used and protect against illegal hunting and fishing practices, those areas can not be allowed to remain open.


You know how I know you've never been fishing in Florida Bay?
 
2013-10-05 12:51:40 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Here's a guy who doesn't understand that national and state parks cost money to stay open.


Again, how much does it cost to not put up a barricade to keep people from walking down a sidewalk. If the park service let's people walk down a sidewalk... how much does that cost them?

Answer that question.
 
2013-10-05 12:53:45 PM

TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html


For an agency that is supposed to be shut down and all, they sure are working overtime with their vindictiveness.  And it's all so unnecessary.  The House approved a bill to fund the National Park Service, but Democrats in the Senate blocked those funds.
 
2013-10-05 12:54:25 PM

vpb: So?  They're state parks not federal.  If he wants to provide the funding then good.


THIS.

As much as I loathe Scott Walker, there is not much reason for State parks to close during a Federal Government shutdown, unless those State parks are part of the NPS. Granted those parks will not get any federal funding until the shutdown ends, but as long as the state-level funding is enough to keep the parks open then the parks should stay open.

/of course, Walker is gonna keep the parks open in such a way as to screw over union workers and/or pad the Koch brothers' coffers by a few million dollars....
 
2013-10-05 12:55:25 PM

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: Here's a guy who doesn't understand that national and state parks cost money to stay open.

Again, how much does it cost to not put up a barricade to keep people from walking down a sidewalk. If the park service let's people walk down a sidewalk... how much does that cost them?

Answer that question.


A lot if there's no ranger around in case of injury or emergency.
 
2013-10-05 12:56:54 PM

TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

People seem to have a hard time understanding that these closures are necessary because the number of park rangers and other stewards have been greatly reduced due to the shutdown.

If there's no law enforcement presence to ensure the safety of those using the parks and federal waterways, as well as to enforce regulations regarding to how those areas are used and protect against illegal hunting and fishing practices, those areas can not be allowed to remain open.

You know how I know you've never been fishing in Florida Bay?


Why don't you enlighten me?  I know that FWC, Federal Park Rangers, and the Coast Guard routinely patrol popular fishing and boating areas to enforce fishing regulations and boating laws.  I'm guessing Florida FWC isn't effected by the federal shut down, but park rangers and the Coast Guard would be.
 
2013-10-05 12:57:19 PM

SkinnyHead: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

For an agency that is supposed to be shut down and all, they sure are working overtime with their vindictiveness.  And it's all so unnecessary.  The House approved a bill to fund the National Park Service, but Democrats in the Senate blocked those funds.


The Democrats in the Senate did not block any funding. They want to fund Obamacare. The NPS could be funded if the House had sent a bill containing only funding for the federal government. But no, they wanted something unrelated and extra.
 
2013-10-05 12:59:10 PM

SkinnyHead: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

For an agency that is supposed to be shut down and all, they sure are working overtime with their vindictiveness.  And it's all so unnecessary.  The House approved a bill to fund the National Park Service, but Democrats in the Senate blocked those funds.


The House could just pass a clean CR and everything would be up and running right away.  This is on them.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:00 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

For an agency that is supposed to be shut down and all, they sure are working overtime with their vindictiveness.  And it's all so unnecessary.  The House approved a bill to fund the National Park Service, but Democrats in the Senate blocked those funds.

The Democrats in the Senate did not block any funding. They want to fund Obamacare. The NPS could be funded if the House had sent a bill containing only funding for the federal government. But no, they wanted something unrelated and extra.


I saw them do it on CSPAN.  The House passed bills to fund the VA, pay for National Guard & Reservists, National Park Service, National Institute of Health during this standoff.  Sen. Cruz offered those bills on the Senate floor and Democrats blocked all that funding.   I understand that Harry Reid has his reasons for blocking funding, but the fact remains, he's the one blocking the funding.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

For an agency that is supposed to be shut down and all, they sure are working overtime with their vindictiveness.  And it's all so unnecessary.  The House approved a bill to fund the National Park Service, but Democrats in the Senate blocked those funds.

The Democrats in the Senate did not block any funding. They want to fund Obamacare. The NPS could be funded if the House had sent a bill containing only funding for the federal government. But no, they wanted something unrelated and extra.


Well, and that was a lame strategy the Republicans had too: try to get a series of funding measures passed, and then, in the end, say "Whoopsie, we forgot to include one for Obamacare."  The Democrats saw through that shiat with no problem.

It's all disingenuous bullshiat, because this is over immediately when a clean CR passes.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:48 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

People seem to have a hard time understanding that these closures are necessary because the number of park rangers and other stewards have been greatly reduced due to the shutdown.

If there's no law enforcement presence to ensure the safety of those using the parks and federal waterways, as well as to enforce regulations regarding to how those areas are used and protect against illegal hunting and fishing practices, those areas can not be allowed to remain open.

You know how I know you've never been fishing in Florida Bay?

Why don't you enlighten me?  I know that FWC, Federal Park Rangers, and the Coast Guard routinely patrol popular fishing and boating areas to enforce fishing regulations and boating laws.  I'm guessing Florida FWC isn't effected by the federal shut down, but park rangers and the Coast Guard would be.


Routinely patrol something nearly 1000 sq miles? Really? Do have any idea how much drugs are run through there? The idea is ludicrous on it's face. It's the theater of the absurd.
 
2013-10-05 01:09:39 PM

TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

People seem to have a hard time understanding that these closures are necessary because the number of park rangers and other stewards have been greatly reduced due to the shutdown.

If there's no law enforcement presence to ensure the safety of those using the parks and federal waterways, as well as to enforce regulations regarding to how those areas are used and protect against illegal hunting and fishing practices, those areas can not be allowed to remain open.

You know how I know you've never been fishing in Florida Bay?

Why don't you enlighten me?  I know that FWC, Federal Park Rangers, and the Coast Guard routinely patrol popular fishing and boating areas to enforce fishing regulations and boating laws.  I'm guessing Florida FWC isn't effected by the federal shut down, but park rangers and the Coast Guard would be.

Routinely patrol something nearly 1000 sq miles? Really? Do have any idea how much drugs are run through there? The idea is ludicrous on it's face. It's the theater of the absurd.


Whether or not they can effectively cover 100% of it at all times is irrelevant.  The situation now means that there are considerably fewer officers patrolling the area than there are under normal circumstances, so officially closing it off is the right move.
 
2013-10-05 01:11:40 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

People seem to have a hard time understanding that these closures are necessary because the number of park rangers and other stewards have been greatly reduced due to the shutdown.

If there's no law enforcement presence to ensure the safety of those using the parks and federal waterways, as well as to enforce regulations regarding to how those areas are used and protect against illegal hunting and fishing practices, those areas can not be allowed to remain open.

You know how I know you've never been fishing in Florida Bay?

Why don't you enlighten me?  I know that FWC, Federal Park Rangers, and the Coast Guard routinely patrol popular fishing and boating areas to enforce fishing regulations and boating laws.  I'm guessing Florida FWC isn't effected by the federal shut down, but park rangers and the Coast Guard would be.

Routinely patrol something nearly 1000 sq miles? Really? Do have any idea how much drugs are run through there? The idea is ludicrous on it's face. It's the theater of the absurd.

Whether or not they can effectively cover 100% of it at all times is irrelevant.  The situation now means that there are considerably fewer officers patrolling the area than there are under normal circumstances, so officially closing it off is the right move.


Face palm.
 
2013-10-05 01:13:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: Here's a guy who doesn't understand that national and state parks cost money to stay open.

Again, how much does it cost to not put up a barricade to keep people from walking down a sidewalk. If the park service let's people walk down a sidewalk... how much does that cost them?

Answer that question.

A lot if there's no ranger around in case of injury or emergency.


Most Americans aren't dumb enough to fall for this claim as to why it was vital to shut down sidewalks and parking lots.
 
2013-10-05 01:16:32 PM

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: Here's a guy who doesn't understand that national and state parks cost money to stay open.

Again, how much does it cost to not put up a barricade to keep people from walking down a sidewalk. If the park service let's people walk down a sidewalk... how much does that cost them?

Answer that question.

A lot if there's no ranger around in case of injury or emergency.

Most Americans aren't dumb enough to fall for this claim as to why it was vital to shut down sidewalks and parking lots.


Where are they shutting down sidewalks?  Shutting them down in areas right in front of memorials doesn't count, as that's part of shutting down the memorial.  Parking lots could  make more sense if there is no money to pay the attendant.

In addition to the safety concerns these moves are to prevent vandalism and destruction of government property if there is no one available to patrol the area to keep an eye on things.
 
2013-10-05 01:18:48 PM
So wait, my local city park might even be open?

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potato
 
2013-10-05 01:19:32 PM

TuteTibiImperes: SkinnyHead: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

For an agency that is supposed to be shut down and all, they sure are working overtime with their vindictiveness.  And it's all so unnecessary.  The House approved a bill to fund the National Park Service, but Democrats in the Senate blocked those funds.

The House could just pass a clean CR and everything would be up and running right away.  This is on them.


This isn't about what the House could have done differently, but what the House did do.  Everyone knows we got a stalemate when it comes to passing a CR.  When that happens, leaders got to step forward to find middle ground.  That includes funding those things that both sides can agree on.  There is no controversy about whether National Parks should be funded.  The House approved those funds and there is no good reasons for Senate Democrats to block them.
 
2013-10-05 01:21:46 PM

SkinnyHead: TuteTibiImperes: SkinnyHead: TheDumbBlonde: They've "closed" the ocean.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3667165/federal-shutdown-shuts- d owns-keys.html

For an agency that is supposed to be shut down and all, they sure are working overtime with their vindictiveness.  And it's all so unnecessary.  The House approved a bill to fund the National Park Service, but Democrats in the Senate blocked those funds.

The House could just pass a clean CR and everything would be up and running right away.  This is on them.

This isn't about what the House could have done differently, but what the House did do.  Everyone knows we got a stalemate when it comes to passing a CR.  When that happens, leaders got to step forward to find middle ground.  That includes funding those things that both sides can agree on.  There is no controversy about whether National Parks should be funded.  The House approved those funds and there is no good reasons for Senate Democrats to block them.


The middle ground is passing the clean CR.  The move by the House to fund individual programs is purely a tactical move on their part to get some good PR and to fund everything but the ACA.   It's disingenuous and hopefully the American people see right through it.

The House doesn't give a damn about the national parks or they would have passed the clean CR to avoid the shutdown in the first place.
 
2013-10-05 01:21:55 PM

TuteTibiImperes: In addition to the safety concerns these moves are to prevent vandalism and destruction of government property if there is no one available to patrol the area to keep an eye on things.


That is such a bullshiat reach. The other month someone vandalized a memorial while it was fully budgeted.

TuteTibiImperes: Where are they shutting down sidewalks? Shutting them down in areas right in front of memorials doesn't count, as that's part of shutting down the memorial.


Deny then define. How much does it cost for them to not shut down that sidewalk? Their cost is in maintenance and facility support. It costs them nothing to allow people to walk up to the monument.

President Obama needs to stop being a goddamned child.
 
2013-10-05 01:25:33 PM

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: In addition to the safety concerns these moves are to prevent vandalism and destruction of government property if there is no one available to patrol the area to keep an eye on things.

That is such a bullshiat reach. The other month someone vandalized a memorial while it was fully budgeted.

TuteTibiImperes: Where are they shutting down sidewalks? Shutting them down in areas right in front of memorials doesn't count, as that's part of shutting down the memorial.

Deny then define. How much does it cost for them to not shut down that sidewalk? Their cost is in maintenance and facility support. It costs them nothing to allow people to walk up to the monument.

President Obama needs to stop being a goddamned child.


So you proved one of my points (that there are people who want to vandalize the national monuments, and if it can be done when there is security, imagine how bad it could get with none) and completely failed to justify one of your own.  Where are these mystery sidewalks being shut down?

It doesn't cost anything to not block an area off, it does cost money to provide an official presence in that area so that it can be used safely and responsibly.  It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.
 
2013-10-05 01:26:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It's disingenuous and hopefully the American people see right through it.


And until the GOP gives up the Democrats will make sure the American people suffer incredibly for it!
 
2013-10-05 01:27:57 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Where are these mystery sidewalks being shut down?


Washington DC, I'm not surprised you don't know where the nations capitol is located.

TuteTibiImperes: It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.


Why do you think its negligent to allow people to look at a mountain without a gov't handler there?
 
2013-10-05 01:29:38 PM

Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: It's disingenuous and hopefully the American people see right through it.

And until the GOP gives up the Democrats will make sure the American people suffer incredibly for it!


Well, as you said, this is all on the GOP.  They're the ones bringing the pain.  They can pass a clean CR any day now to end this, instead they want to keep throwing their tantrum.

It will be all right though, the Democrats plan with the discharge vote will take this over the heads of the teabaggers and will show the American people that even when the GOP can't be trusted to do what's right for the people, the Democrats will use their ingenuity to save the day.
 
2013-10-05 01:33:43 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: In addition to the safety concerns these moves are to prevent vandalism and destruction of government property if there is no one available to patrol the area to keep an eye on things.

That is such a bullshiat reach. The other month someone vandalized a memorial while it was fully budgeted.

TuteTibiImperes: Where are they shutting down sidewalks? Shutting them down in areas right in front of memorials doesn't count, as that's part of shutting down the memorial.

Deny then define. How much does it cost for them to not shut down that sidewalk? Their cost is in maintenance and facility support. It costs them nothing to allow people to walk up to the monument.

President Obama needs to stop being a goddamned child.

So you proved one of my points (that there are people who want to vandalize the national monuments, and if it can be done when there is security, imagine how bad it could get with none) and completely failed to justify one of your own.  Where are these mystery sidewalks being shut down?

It doesn't cost anything to not block an area off, it does cost money to provide an official presence in that area so that it can be used safely and responsibly.  It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.


You can't "close" an ocean.
 
2013-10-05 01:35:58 PM
We must shut down all outdoor spaces until Obamacare is funded. Mother Nature can just fark right off until His Majesty grants us leave to go outside.
 
2013-10-05 01:38:52 PM

TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: Mrbogey: TuteTibiImperes: In addition to the safety concerns these moves are to prevent vandalism and destruction of government property if there is no one available to patrol the area to keep an eye on things.

That is such a bullshiat reach. The other month someone vandalized a memorial while it was fully budgeted.

TuteTibiImperes: Where are they shutting down sidewalks? Shutting them down in areas right in front of memorials doesn't count, as that's part of shutting down the memorial.

Deny then define. How much does it cost for them to not shut down that sidewalk? Their cost is in maintenance and facility support. It costs them nothing to allow people to walk up to the monument.

President Obama needs to stop being a goddamned child.

So you proved one of my points (that there are people who want to vandalize the national monuments, and if it can be done when there is security, imagine how bad it could get with none) and completely failed to justify one of your own.  Where are these mystery sidewalks being shut down?

It doesn't cost anything to not block an area off, it does cost money to provide an official presence in that area so that it can be used safely and responsibly.  It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.

You can't "close" an ocean.


You can NOT seriously expect people to expose themselves to nature without the full force of the United States Federal Government to stand guard. There are untold dangers out there.
 
2013-10-05 01:41:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The middle ground is passing the clean CR. The move by the House to fund individual programs is purely a tactical move on their part to get some good PR and to fund everything but the ACA. It's disingenuous and hopefully the American people see right through it.

The House doesn't give a damn about the national parks or they would have passed the clean CR to avoid the shutdown in the first place.


That argument ignores reality.  We have a stalemate that we got to deal with.  We can't get a full CR through both houses because the two houses cannot agree.  But that shouldn't mean that lawmakers should just give up and allow the entire government to shut down.  They need to isolate and limit the dispute to that portion of the budget in controversy, and fund as much of the government as they can agree on.  There is no good reason for Senate Democrats to block funding to the National Parks.
 
2013-10-05 01:41:51 PM
Mrbogey:

TuteTibiImperes: It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.

Why do you think its negligent to allow people to look at a mountain without a gov't handler there?


Liability concerns are a big one, if they're injured and sue the government over it it will cost a lot of money, even if they don't win.  Maintaining the condition of the monuments and parks is the other big reason.  Allowing use when people know there is no one monitoring that use increases the chances for vandalism and destructive behavior.  Shutting it down is preferable to some punk carving his name into the Vietnam Wall, chiseling off part of the Lincoln Memorial, or starting a bonfire in the middle of a national park that turns into an uncontrolled blaze destroying thousands of acres.

TheDumbBlonde:
You can't "close" an ocean.

You can however disallow use of federally managed areas of that ocean.
 
2013-10-05 01:45:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Mrbogey:

TuteTibiImperes: It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.

Why do you think its negligent to allow people to look at a mountain without a gov't handler there?

Liability concerns are a big one, if they're injured and sue the government over it it will cost a lot of money, even if they don't win.  Maintaining the condition of the monuments and parks is the other big reason.  Allowing use when people know there is no one monitoring that use increases the chances for vandalism and destructive behavior.  Shutting it down is preferable to some punk carving his name into the Vietnam Wall, chiseling off part of the Lincoln Memorial, or starting a bonfire in the middle of a national park that turns into an uncontrolled blaze destroying thousands


The Federal Government only gets sued when it lets itself get sued. Ever heard of the Federal Tort Claims Act? Do you know what people in New Orleans got from the ACOE for levee failure after Katrina? Zip. Nada. Zilch.
 
2013-10-05 01:50:06 PM

SkinnyHead: Walker deserves credit.  Rather than look for ways to maximum pain on people in this stalemate, Walker is working to find ways to help the people get through it.  That's what chief executives are supposed to do.


Oh yeah, keeping the parks open really prevents so much pain doesn't it.

Can you Republican cheerleaders be any more gullible and stupid?
 
2013-10-05 01:50:07 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Mrbogey:

TuteTibiImperes: It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.

Why do you think its negligent to allow people to look at a mountain without a gov't handler there?

Liability concerns are a big one, if they're injured and sue the government over it it will cost a lot of money, even if they don't win.  Maintaining the condition of the monuments and parks is the other big reason.  Allowing use when people know there is no one monitoring that use increases the chances for vandalism and destructive behavior.  Shutting it down is preferable to some punk carving his name into the Vietnam Wall, chiseling off part of the Lincoln Memorial, or starting a bonfire in the middle of a national park that turns into an uncontrolled blaze destroying thousands of acres.

TheDumbBlonde:
You can't "close" an ocean.

You can however disallow use of federally managed areas of that ocean.


The federalies have never managed Florida Bay, that's why your argument so blindingly uninformed and amusing. And why no one travels it without firearms on board.
 
2013-10-05 01:51:56 PM

SkinnyHead: That argument ignores reality.  We have a stalemate that we got to deal with.  We can't get a full CR through both houses because the two houses cannot agree.


Liar

FACT: A clean CR will pass both house and senate. Boener won't allow it to be put up for a vote.

Fuking liar.
 
2013-10-05 01:53:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Shutting it down is preferable to some punk carving his name into the Vietnam Wall, chiseling off part of the Lincoln Memorial, or starting a bonfire in the middle of a national park that turns into an uncontrolled blaze destroying thousands of acres.


For roughly half the day there is no one there to stop that from happening. A barricade absolutely will not stop someone from doing so as well.
 
2013-10-05 01:53:35 PM

TheDumbBlonde: TuteTibiImperes: Mrbogey:

TuteTibiImperes: It would be negligent to leave the parks and monuments open with no security officers or rangers to patrol them.

Why do you think its negligent to allow people to look at a mountain without a gov't handler there?

Liability concerns are a big one, if they're injured and sue the government over it it will cost a lot of money, even if they don't win.  Maintaining the condition of the monuments and parks is the other big reason.  Allowing use when people know there is no one monitoring that use increases the chances for vandalism and destructive behavior.  Shutting it down is preferable to some punk carving his name into the Vietnam Wall, chiseling off part of the Lincoln Memorial, or starting a bonfire in the middle of a national park that turns into an uncontrolled blaze destroying thousands of acres.

TheDumbBlonde:
You can't "close" an ocean.

You can however disallow use of federally managed areas of that ocean.

The federalies have never managed Florida Bay, that's why your argument so blindingly uninformed and amusing. And why no one travels it without firearms on board.


Nearly all of Florida Bay is included in Everglades National Park. The southern edge, along the Florida Keys is in the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary.

It's part of a national park, thus it's federally managed land (or water as it is in this case).
 
2013-10-05 01:54:37 PM

SkinnyHead: The House passed bills to fund the VA, pay for National Guard & Reservists, National Park Service, National Institute of Health during this standoff.


If they can fund the government piecemeal, why can't the House do it all in one bill?
 
2013-10-05 01:54:48 PM

impaler: SkinnyHead: Walker deserves credit.  Rather than look for ways to maximum pain on people in this stalemate, Walker is working to find ways to help the people get through it.  That's what chief executives are supposed to do.

Oh yeah, keeping the parks open really prevents so much pain doesn't it.

Can you Republican cheerleaders be any more gullible and stupid?


It's the same reason Fox News calls this a "slimdown": try to minimize the impact this is having, or find some way to blame Obama for it.  "The parks could be open if Fartbongo wanted them to be!  Why did you put up those barriers, Obama?"

But, again, if the nuttiest faction of the Republican Party had not tied the CR to an impossible goal, and if someone in the Republican Party had the stones to tell them to STFU and stop hurting the nation and passed a clear CR, this would end immediately.
 
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