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(Wall Street Cheat Sheet)   According to Romney, "We got the idea of an individual mandate from Newt Gingrich, and Newt got it from the Heritage Foundation." Re-he-he-he-heallyy   (wallstcheatsheet.com) divider line 108
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2013-10-05 11:52:03 AM
obamacare is a private, market-based solution to the healthcare crisis. if republicans had been smart (i know, i know...), they'd have owned it. but because they viscerally despise obama with the fire of a thousand suns, they couldn't bring themselves to take credit for something that will fundamentally change our country for the better.

the fact that they derisively named it "obamacare" is the cherry on top.
 
2013-10-05 12:23:41 PM
Anyone paying attention since 2009 already knew this.
 
2013-10-05 12:32:41 PM
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2013-10-05 12:37:07 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Anyone paying attention since 2009 already knew this.


xanadian: oldnewsissoexciting.jpg


Ann has a new cookbook out. It includes a recipe for peanut butter and Fluff sandwiches. Is that racy enough for you?
 
2013-10-05 12:41:48 PM
FTFA: But central to the arguments surrounding the Affordable Care Act is the question of whether health care, and specifically affordable health care, is a right or a privilege.

And it amazes me that we have to actually have this "argument".
 
2013-10-05 12:46:00 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Anyone paying attention .

 
2013-10-05 01:06:49 PM
Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.
 
2013-10-05 01:19:23 PM
The Obvious tag is sitting in the corner, nodding sagely
 
2013-10-05 01:27:37 PM

MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.


6 months from now the word obamacare will not be uttered by any conservative. And if you use that word around them they will give you a blank stare.
 
2013-10-05 01:53:59 PM

Dinki: MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.

6 months from now the word obamacare will not be uttered by any conservative. And if you use that word around them they will give you a blank stare.


ObamaCare has entered our vernacular and has held that position for a few years now. The word "ObamaCare" isn't going anywhere as it has been picked up by pretty much everyone.
 
2013-10-05 01:57:31 PM

cman: Dinki: MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.

6 months from now the word obamacare will not be uttered by any conservative. And if you use that word around them they will give you a blank stare.

ObamaCare has entered our vernacular and has held that position for a few years now. The word "ObamaCare" isn't going anywhere as it has been picked up by pretty much everyone.


And Democrats will bludgeon Republicans with it for at least the 3 or 4 election cycles. And the Republicans will have no one to blame but themselves
 
2013-10-05 02:06:34 PM
That liberal rag Forbes had a whole article about the conservatives and the history of the individual mandate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-co ns ervative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/
 
2013-10-05 02:08:50 PM
No farking shiat, Sherlock.
 
2013-10-05 02:32:28 PM
Typical liberal, taking even more from real hard-working Americans. Taking MY hard-earned money to fund your government-run socalist health care first, and now the idea for real health care reform? How do you even live with yourselves? Nothing but takers.
 
2013-10-05 03:06:53 PM
Wait a minute, I thought the Affordable Care Act started out as "Dolecare", something proposed by Sen. Bob Dole in the mid-90s.  Where did Newt the Fruit come into this?  That little bit of info is what made the GOP's almost hysterical response to what Obama proposed so funny to me.
 
2013-10-05 03:17:09 PM

Di Atribe: Typical liberal, taking even more from real hard-working Americans. Taking MY hard-earned money to fund your government-run socalist health care first, and now the idea for real health care reform? How do you even live with yourselves? Nothing but takers.


Here on Fark, we know this.  Sadly, out beyond the barrier, in the real world, this is 1000000% pure Poe's law.

gotta give it at least an 8.5/10
 
2013-10-05 03:26:44 PM

Sliding Carp: gotta give it at least an 8.5/10


I am truly honored. Thank you.
 
2013-10-05 03:27:33 PM
In other news, Tea Baggers were insensed that their nickname was a code for a racy practice by make strippers. Who could have known?
 
2013-10-05 03:32:01 PM

Coco LaFemme: Wait a minute, I thought the Affordable Care Act started out as "Dolecare", something proposed by Sen. Bob Dole in the mid-90s.  Where did Newt the Fruit come into this?  That little bit of info is what made the GOP's almost hysterical response to what Obama proposed so funny to me.


While the headline goes with the quote from Romney, the article itself is a little more nuanced and gets more detailed about what parts of the ACA started out on the Republican side of the aisle.  And there are plenty, mind you, enough to illuminate the fact that their objection to this is solely partisan and not because they actually object to the legislation itself.  Except for Cruz, but he's just an asshole.
 
2013-10-05 04:30:35 PM
A Republican healthcare plan, passed by Congress, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court.

But, yeah, let's shut down the f*cking government over it because of Republican stupidity and then pretend "both sides are bad."
 
2013-10-05 04:36:13 PM

Peter von Nostrand: cman: Dinki: MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.

6 months from now the word obamacare will not be uttered by any conservative. And if you use that word around them they will give you a blank stare.

ObamaCare has entered our vernacular and has held that position for a few years now. The word "ObamaCare" isn't going anywhere as it has been picked up by pretty much everyone.

And Democrats will bludgeon Republicans with it for at least the 3 or 4 election cycles. And the Republicans will have no one to blame but themselves


And because of it, Obama will go down as one of the most fondly remembered Democratic Presidents ever, along with FDR and Kennedy.

The GOP's failure will be complete.
 
2013-10-05 04:41:35 PM
So basically what the article is saying is that Republicans are just partisan assholes?

Didn't we know this already?

/Also..
//Re: The pic in that article...
///When did Clinton and Obama join the Blue Man Group?
 
2013-10-05 04:43:11 PM
Wow, really?  Why hasn't anyone on Fark talked about this nonstop for 4 years?
 
2013-10-05 04:43:23 PM
I was under the impression that universal healthcare was a socialist European creation. That's what they've been saying. Huh, guess it's really a right-wing neo-con conservative idea. Or maybe they're just looking forward to taking credit for it when it succeeds after fighting it (their own idea?!?) tooth and nail to the point where they closed the government and are threatening to take down the economy. But that would be lying to the American people and Republicans would never do that.
 
2013-10-05 04:43:29 PM
Haven't heard a single Farker complain about MAHealth.  They all seem to like it.
 
2013-10-05 04:47:44 PM
Even conservatives were calling it Obamnycare around election time.

Next up: could there be a GOP-Fox News connection? Ric Romero will reveal the shocking truth!
 
2013-10-05 04:50:53 PM
I've had incredulous coworkers argue against things like "Obamacare" being originally cooked up by Republicans/Heritage Foundation, that our recent financial woes began prior to January 20, 2009, etc.

A simple retelling of chronology is dismissed by them and it's baffling.
 
2013-10-05 04:53:42 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

Almost 30 posts in, and I'm the first? Re-he-he-he-he-eally?
 
2013-10-05 04:54:09 PM

ultraholland: I've had incredulous coworkers argue against things like "Obamacare" being originally cooked up by Republicans/Heritage Foundation, that our recent financial woes began prior to January 20, 2009, etc.

A simple retelling of chronology is dismissed by them and it's baffling.


We've always been at war with Eastasia.
 
2013-10-05 04:54:29 PM

MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.


So what's the sign up rate for this great leap forward? That's right, you don't know because the feds aren't saying. They're not going to release any data for at least a month. I look forward to the hummina hummina hummina coming out of the government when they have to admit that a) people are unable to sign up because the system to do so is a pile of steaming crap, and/or b) people are avoiding Obamacare like the plague.

By the way, we don't really have an individual mandate. It's a "pay a $95 fine" mandate, which most younger people are going to do because they can just wait and sign up when something happens to cause them to need  coverage.
 
2013-10-05 04:54:33 PM
The only people who don't know this are conservatives who mind-wiped themselves because their ideology demanded it.
 
2013-10-05 04:54:52 PM

quatchi: ///When did Clinton and Obama join the Blue Man Group?


They're just shamelessly pandering to the entertainment lobby.
 
2013-10-05 04:56:50 PM

jjorsett: MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.

So what's the sign up rate for this great leap forward? That's right, you don't know because the feds aren't saying. They're not going to release any data for at least a month. I look forward to the hummina hummina hummina coming out of the government when they have to admit that a) people are unable to sign up because the system to do so is a pile of steaming crap, and/or b) people are avoiding Obamacare like the plague.

By the way, we don't really have an individual mandate. It's a "pay a $95 fine" mandate, which most younger people are going to do because they can just wait and sign up when something happens to cause them to need  coverage.


You're not going to know its long term effects for sure years after the fact. A few IT hiccups are just blips in the bigger picture.
 
2013-10-05 04:56:51 PM

jjorsett: MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.

So what's the sign up rate for this great leap forward? That's right, you don't know because the feds aren't saying. They're not going to release any data for at least a month. I look forward to the hummina hummina hummina coming out of the government when they have to admit that a) people are unable to sign up because the system to do so is a pile of steaming crap, and/or b) people are avoiding Obamacare like the plague.

By the way, we don't really have an individual mandate. It's a "pay a $95 fine" mandate, which most younger people are going to do because they can just wait and sign up when something happens to cause them to need  coverage.


You might have noticed that the government is shut down. As a result, lots of things aren't being said. The government has to be open for reports to be issued.
 
2013-10-05 04:58:09 PM

Di Atribe: Typical liberal, taking even more from real hard-working Americans. Taking MY hard-earned money to fund your government-run socalist health care first, and now the idea for real health care reform? How do you even live with yourselves? Nothing but takers.


*slowclap.jpeg*
 
2013-10-05 04:58:37 PM

hubiestubert: In other news, Tea Baggers were insensed that their nickname was a code for a racy practice by make strippers. Who could have known?


makefiles are already pretty stripped down; what's a racy practice by make strippers?  Some sort of abuse of preprocessor directives?
 
2013-10-05 05:04:28 PM

Coco LaFemme: ultraholland: I've had incredulous coworkers argue against things like "Obamacare" being originally cooked up by Republicans/Heritage Foundation, that our recent financial woes began prior to January 20, 2009, etc.

A simple retelling of chronology is dismissed by them and it's baffling.

We've always been at war with Eastasia.


The phrase "Through the Looking-Glass" gets thrown around casually a lot, but.....well dammit what am I supposed to think?
 
2013-10-05 05:07:54 PM

jjorsett: By the way, we don't really have an individual mandate. It's a "pay a $95 fine" mandate, which most younger people are going to do because they can just wait and sign up when something happens to cause them to need coverage.


Well, maybe if they are colossally stupid they could do that.

Young people in particular are very likely to need medical care more because of acute injury or illness, rather than a chronic condition.  Insurance has one open enrollment period per year (in October/November) and then coverage begins in January.  So yes, if they can wait till the next calendar year, that would work, but in the vast majority of the serious conditions that affect young people, they wouldn't be able to wait.
 
2013-10-05 05:10:00 PM

FlashHarry: obamacare is a private, market-based solution to the healthcare crisis. if republicans had been smart (i know, i know...), they'd have owned it. but because they viscerally despise obama with the fire of a thousand suns, they couldn't bring themselves to take credit for something that will fundamentally change our country for the better.

the fact that they derisively named it "obamacare" is the cherry on top.


Quoted for truth
 
2013-10-05 05:11:47 PM

HawgWild: FTFA: But central to the arguments surrounding the Affordable Care Act is the question of whether health care, and specifically affordable health care, is a right or a privilege.

And it amazes me that we have to actually have this "argument".


and you would be arguing with people who will sit there and tell you that food, water, clean breathable air, safe working conditions, and a reasonable wage is not a right either.  The real insult is when they tell you that there is no place in heaven for a communist such as yourself because they phoned ahead and made reservations.
 
2013-10-05 05:13:07 PM

Di Atribe: Typical liberal, taking even more from real hard-working Americans. Taking MY hard-earned money to fund your government-run socalist health care first, and now the idea for real health care reform? How do you even live with yourselves? Nothing but takers.


s2.subirimagenes.com

Magnificent.
 
2013-10-05 05:13:44 PM

jayhawk88: Coco LaFemme: ultraholland: I've had incredulous coworkers argue against things like "Obamacare" being originally cooked up by Republicans/Heritage Foundation, that our recent financial woes began prior to January 20, 2009, etc.

A simple retelling of chronology is dismissed by them and it's baffling.

We've always been at war with Eastasia.

The phrase "Through the Looking-Glass" gets thrown around casually a lot, but.....well dammit what am I supposed to think?


It wouldn't surprise me if in 10-15 years Republicans refer to the ACA as "Romneycare" or "The Heritage Plan."
 
2013-10-05 05:13:48 PM

blastoh: HawgWild: FTFA: But central to the arguments surrounding the Affordable Care Act is the question of whether health care, and specifically affordable health care, is a right or a privilege.

And it amazes me that we have to actually have this "argument".

and you would be arguing with people who will sit there and tell you that food, water, clean breathable air, safe working conditions, and a reasonable wage is not a right either.  The real insult is when they tell you that there is no place in heaven for a communist such as yourself because they phoned ahead and made reservations.


No, I'm not insulted when someone tells me there's no place for me in their imaginary happy-land.
 
2013-10-05 05:16:32 PM
It's not "irony". It's also not any kind of new revelation. It's old news, and it's just one more example of the obstructionism of the GOP, they are treating their own ideas like they are Un-American poison because Obama has supported them.

Really waiting for Michelle Obama to add breathing oxygen to her 'healthy living' kick. Once breathing becomes "elitist", the current GOP morons will die off, paving the way for a Right wing that is actually conservative.
 
2013-10-05 05:17:22 PM

Infernalist: Peter von Nostrand: cman: Dinki: MrBallou: Pretty much right on schedule. It went public a week ago, people are going "This looks good. Where's all the suck I was told to expect?" and the assholes are stepping up to claim it.

6 months from now the word obamacare will not be uttered by any conservative. And if you use that word around them they will give you a blank stare.

ObamaCare has entered our vernacular and has held that position for a few years now. The word "ObamaCare" isn't going anywhere as it has been picked up by pretty much everyone.

And Democrats will bludgeon Republicans with it for at least the 3 or 4 election cycles. And the Republicans will have no one to blame but themselves

And because of it, Obama will go down as one of the most fondly remembered Democratic Presidents ever, along with FDR and Kennedy.

The GOP's failure will be complete.


I hope he isn't done yet. His greatest legacy could be the destruction of the cancerous GOP coalition, the return of constructive government and the long-overdue dismissal of the Reagan legacy.
 
2013-10-05 05:18:02 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: The only people who don't know this are conservatives who mind-wiped themselves because their ideology demanded it.

We understand the republicans thought of this first.  We also know that they were smart enough to abandon it after they realized that it was a bad idea.  This is the difference between republicans and democrats.   We own up to our mistakes before we force them into bad laws.
 
2013-10-05 05:40:51 PM

Bayou_Boy: We own up to our mistakes


You must be dizzy from spinning like that. Here, have a seat. I'll get you some water.
 
2013-10-05 05:42:36 PM

FlashHarry: obamacare is a private, market-based solution to the healthcare crisis. if republicans had been smart (i know, i know...), they'd have owned it. but because they viscerally despise obama with the fire of a thousand suns, they couldn't bring themselves to take credit for something that will fundamentally change our country for the better.

the fact that they derisively named it "obamacare" is the cherry on top.


That really is it in a nutshell
 
2013-10-05 05:42:58 PM

mofa: hubiestubert: In other news, Tea Baggers were insensed that their nickname was a code for a racy practice by make strippers. Who could have known?

makefiles are already pretty stripped down; what's a racy practice by make strippers?  Some sort of abuse of preprocessor directives?


Not everyone's going to follow that, so I just wanted to say: I get it. Heh.

/Gives mofa the secret developer handshake.
 
2013-10-05 05:50:36 PM

Bayou_Boy: LouDobbsAwaaaay: The only people who don't know this are conservatives who mind-wiped themselves because their ideology demanded it.

We understand the republicans thought of this first.  We also know that they were smart enough to abandon it after they realized that it was a bad idea.  This is the difference between republicans and democrats.   We own up to our mistakes before we force them into bad laws.


The guy you voted for did not abandon Romneycare.
 
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