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(Guardian)   15% of Americans live in poverty, which is why America needs more tax cuts for the wealthy   (theguardian.com) divider line 140
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2013-10-05 04:16:41 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: super_grass: AKA: middle class in most of the developing world.

'MURIKAH! WE'RE STILL BETTER THAN THE DEVELOPING WORLD!!!


A paraphrasing of "don't like it? go to somalia."
 
2013-10-05 04:17:11 PM
 
2013-10-05 04:24:12 PM

CanuckInCA: Pocket Ninja is gonna have to create a new account with all the fanboys giving him away in every thread now.


Welcome to 5 years ago. His popularity is more marked, though.
 
2013-10-05 04:26:42 PM

Il Douchey: Funny thing about welfare people.  First they appreciate the handouts, then they expect them, then they take them for granted, and finally, they resent them.  They hate the people who are literally putting food on their table, paying their rent and earning their welfare money.  It's not enough, it's never enough.

Never Enough


Have you ever convinced anyone to change their point of view in the entire history of your time here on fark?

Legitimate question.

Have you? Ever?
 
2013-10-05 04:29:39 PM
thought I'd be quick and crafty with refrigerators; boy was I wrong.
 
2013-10-05 04:30:33 PM

ultraholland: thought I'd be quick and crafty with refrigerators; boy was I wrong.


They have flat-screen TVs too.
 
2013-10-05 04:33:02 PM

whidbey: CanuckInCA: Pocket Ninja is gonna have to create a new account with all the fanboys giving him away in every thread now.

Welcome to 5 years ago. His popularity is more marked, though.


Don't pretend you know what it's like to have a massively successful troll account become a national treasure and stop being effective.... Oh wait.

\i miss you and your alt
 
2013-10-05 04:35:25 PM

adamgreeney: whidbey: CanuckInCA: Pocket Ninja is gonna have to create a new account with all the fanboys giving him away in every thread now.

Welcome to 5 years ago. His popularity is more marked, though.

Don't pretend you know what it's like to have a massively successful troll account become a national treasure and stop being effective.... Oh wait.

\i miss you and your alt


Well I wasn't expressing jealousy or anything like some examples in this thread. That said, he is kind of tame for my tastes. Besides, now the libertarians (small 'l') are a lot more fun to pick on, and I don't need an alt to do it. ;-p
 
2013-10-05 04:36:29 PM

Heliovdrake: Il Douchey: Funny thing about welfare people.  First they appreciate the handouts, then they expect them, then they take them for granted, and finally, they resent them.  They hate the people who are literally putting food on their table, paying their rent and earning their welfare money.  It's not enough, it's never enough.

Never Enough

Have you ever convinced anyone to change their point of view in the entire history of your time here on fark?

Legitimate question.

Have you? Ever?


Changing you point of view because of politics tab comments say more about you than the person posting.

This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.
 
2013-10-05 04:43:27 PM

gingerjet: Pocket Ninja: OK, subby, let me try to illustrate this with an analogy that uses a slightly simplified view of society that simply doesn't exist in any reality.

FTFA

/yea yea don't feed the troll


Ninja's not a conventional troll; he's more like the troll version of a poet laureate around here.
 
2013-10-05 04:45:02 PM

super_grass: Heliovdrake: Il Douchey: Funny thing about welfare people.  First they appreciate the handouts, then they expect them, then they take them for granted, and finally, they resent them.  They hate the people who are literally putting food on their table, paying their rent and earning their welfare money.  It's not enough, it's never enough.

Never Enough

Have you ever convinced anyone to change their point of view in the entire history of your time here on fark?

Legitimate question.

Have you? Ever?

Changing you point of view because of politics tab comments say more about you than the person posting.

This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.


and you supergrass excel at trolling. I've seen your work.

You're not one of the greats yet, but you could be with time.
 
2013-10-05 04:47:30 PM

super_grass: This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.


Actually, more often than not the FPT is a place where more often than not I can say with certainty that conservatives are spiteful hateful usually ignorant (not to mention socially outdated) people. Sorry if that makes you mad or something.
 
2013-10-05 04:49:16 PM
Why don't we lower the poverty line, thus lowering the number of poor folks?
Or better yet, eliminate it altogether, thus making everyone middle class?
 
2013-10-05 04:51:41 PM

whidbey: super_grass: This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.

Actually, more often than not the FPT is a place where more often than not I can say with certainty that conservatives are spiteful hateful usually ignorant (not to mention socially outdated) people. Sorry if that makes you mad or something.


I've see documentaries about it before:

2-ps.googleusercontent.com

/ the GOP conspiracy is why I'm not a winner!
 
2013-10-05 04:52:12 PM

super_grass: I've see documentaries about it before:


That looks totally gay.
 
2013-10-05 04:53:58 PM

whidbey: super_grass: I've see documentaries about it before:

That looks totally gay.


I wouldn't expect anything else.
 
2013-10-05 04:54:34 PM

Dinki: Yes but how many have refrigerators?


It's worse than that - it means they also have electricity and food, and suggests (but doesn't prove) that they live indoors.

Damn these people are selfish. They should sign their meager possessions over to the 1% and then die of poor health. And if they could somehow manage to die out at sea, that will save a lot of trouble, too.
 
2013-10-05 04:56:28 PM

super_grass: whidbey: super_grass: I've see documentaries about it before:

That looks totally gay.

I wouldn't expect anything else.


Yeah but I'm saying you might want to tell your muckraking buddies that they might want to at least change the colors or something, it definitely gives a wrong impression and definitely doesn't look American.
 
2013-10-05 04:59:00 PM

whidbey: super_grass: whidbey: super_grass: I've see documentaries about it before:

That looks totally gay.

I wouldn't expect anything else.

Yeah but I'm saying you might want to tell your muckraking buddies that they might want to at least change the colors or something, it definitely gives a wrong impression and definitely doesn't look American.


...

It's satire. I'll leave the whodunnit as an exercise to the reader.
 
2013-10-05 05:03:09 PM

whidbey: super_grass: This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.

Actually, more often than not the FPT is a place where more often than not I can say with certainty that conservatives are spiteful hateful usually ignorant (not to mention socially outdated) people. Sorry if that makes you mad or something.


To be fair, liberals on the Fark are more likely than not to be spiteful, hateful, and ignorant.  Ninety percent of the posters on any large internet message board will usually be spiteful, hateful, and ignorant.  That's the type of person who is usually attracted to these things and Greater Internet farkwad Theory doesn't exactly help.
 
2013-10-05 05:03:46 PM

llortcM_yllort: whidbey: super_grass: This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.

Actually, more often than not the FPT is a place where more often than not I can say with certainty that conservatives are spiteful hateful usually ignorant (not to mention socially outdated) people. Sorry if that makes you mad or something.

To be fair, liberals on the Fark are more likely than not to be spiteful, hateful, and ignorant.  Ninety percent of the posters on any large internet message board will usually be spiteful, hateful, and ignorant.  That's the type of person who is usually attracted to these things and Greater Internet farkwad Theory doesn't exactly help.


FTFM
 
2013-10-05 05:04:50 PM
FTFA: About 15% of Americans live in poverty, so why is no one talking about it?
Mainstream media give very little coverage to poverty and the working class. It's a public interest failure


Not to blame the victim here, but it might be because the American poor have no sense of class consciousness.  If you can afford three square meals a day, you're "middle-class" by American parlance.
 
2013-10-05 05:08:50 PM

llortcM_yllort: whidbey: super_grass: This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.

Actually, more often than not the FPT is a place where more often than not I can say with certainty that conservatives are spiteful hateful usually ignorant (not to mention socially outdated) people. Sorry if that makes you mad or something.

To be fair, liberals on Fark are more likely than not to be spiteful, hateful, and ignorant.


Bullshiat. And if our tone comes off as more than a bit uncivil, it's because we're sick of the footdragging conservative mindset being the constantly unchallengeable paradigm in our society.

You just want to defend backward thinking, and project it onto enlightened people. Yeah I went there.
 
2013-10-05 05:10:29 PM

SixPaperJoint: Just pulled these from a quick google news search.

Among them are NY Times and The Nation. Ya' know, hard corps conservative outlets.

I think we can all mark you as a liar or just ignore you now. Bye.


You don't really understand the argument, do you?

soze: You are bad at inferring things from graphs and should not be allowed to brain unsupervised.


From that graph, what do you take away from it?
 
2013-10-05 05:18:42 PM

whidbey: it's because we're sick of the footdragging conservative mindset being the constantly unchallengeable paradigm in our society.


Immediate response: No one challenges the conservative paradigm on fark. Nobody

Alternate response: "Conservatives are unpopular! We outnumber them! People favor us! Except when it's convenient for the sake of argument."
 
2013-10-05 05:22:00 PM

Mrbogey: whidbey: it's because we're sick of the footdragging conservative mindset being the constantly unchallengeable paradigm in our society.

Immediate response: No one challenges the conservative paradigm on fark. Nobody

Alternate response: "Conservatives are unpopular! We outnumber them! People favor us! Except when it's convenient for the sake of argument."


Did Michelle Bachman tell you that?
 
2013-10-05 05:24:13 PM

whidbey: llortcM_yllort: whidbey: super_grass: This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.

Actually, more often than not the FPT is a place where more often than not I can say with certainty that conservatives are spiteful hateful usually ignorant (not to mention socially outdated) people. Sorry if that makes you mad or something.

To be fair, liberals on Fark are more likely than not to be spiteful, hateful, and ignorant.

Bullshiat. And if our tone comes off as more than a bit uncivil, it's because we're sick of the footdragging conservative mindset being the constantly unchallengeable paradigm in our society.

You just want to defend backward thinking, and project it onto enlightened people. Yeah I went there.


Let me say this as one spiteful, hateful, and ignorant liberal to another.  People who talk about violent revolution or  compare their political opponents to Nazis are dumbasses.  Many people on this site REGULARLY make claims like this.  It's one thing to be defensive about your beliefs or to try to call other people out when they're being douches.  It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.  Just because the other side is worse doesn't give you an excuse to act like morons or assholes.
 
2013-10-05 05:25:04 PM

whidbey: Mrbogey: whidbey: it's because we're sick of the footdragging conservative mindset being the constantly unchallengeable paradigm in our society.

Immediate response: No one challenges the conservative paradigm on fark. Nobody

Alternate response: "Conservatives are unpopular! We outnumber them! People favor us! Except when it's convenient for the sake of argument."

Did Michelle Bachman tell you that?


-1 for ad hom instead of satire.
-1 for outdated reference

Swing and a miss.
 
2013-10-05 05:26:53 PM

llortcM_yllort: whidbey: llortcM_yllort: whidbey: super_grass: This is a place for butting heads. Don't pretend it's anything else.

Actually, more often than not the FPT is a place where more often than not I can say with certainty that conservatives are spiteful hateful usually ignorant (not to mention socially outdated) people. Sorry if that makes you mad or something.

To be fair, liberals on Fark are more likely than not to be spiteful, hateful, and ignorant.

Bullshiat. And if our tone comes off as more than a bit uncivil, it's because we're sick of the footdragging conservative mindset being the constantly unchallengeable paradigm in our society.

You just want to defend backward thinking, and project it onto enlightened people. Yeah I went there.

Let me say this as one spiteful, hateful, and ignorant liberal to another.  People who talk about violent revolution or  compare their political opponents to Nazis are dumbasses.  Many people on this site REGULARLY make claims like this.  It's one thing to be defensive about your beliefs or to try to call other people out when they're being douches.  It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.  Just because the other side is worse doesn't give you an excuse to act like morons or assholes.


I'm hardly ignorant, and hating backward social behavior is hardly spiteful.

Nice strawman, though. Kind of doubt you're liberal, too. Now run along.
 
2013-10-05 05:26:54 PM

Mrbogey: SixPaperJoint: Just pulled these from a quick google news search.

Among them are NY Times and The Nation. Ya' know, hard corps conservative outlets.

I think we can all mark you as a liar or just ignore you now. Bye.

You don't really understand the argument, do you?

soze: You are bad at inferring things from graphs and should not be allowed to brain unsupervised.

From that graph, what do you take away from it?


The War On Poverty has maintained poverty below 15% since implementation, a marked sustained decrease from previous historical poverty levels, even accounting for the many booms and busts we have experienced since implementation.   Impressively consistent.

Additionally, the chart is curiously cropped to cut off anything from before the post-War boom.  Interesting, no?  Is that stupidity or malfeasance?  We could determine that if you would cite your sources.  Since you won't, I'll do it for you:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/09/13/dramatic-increase-in- po verty-rate-one-small-step-for-obama-one-giant-step-for-the-so-called-w ar-on-poverty/

Well, that's neat.  An article in Forbes by a Cato Institute employee.  I wonder what it looks like before 1950?  WELL GEE I'D LOVE TO LOOK THAT UP BUT THOSE REPUBLICAN farkTARDS SHUT DOWN THE DAMN GOVERNMENT SO THE CENSUS DB IS DOWN.
 
2013-10-05 05:28:01 PM
super_grass:
-1 for ad hom instead of satire.
-1 for outdated reference

Swing and a miss.


Who died and made you Gilligan of the Island?
 
2013-10-05 05:30:36 PM
whidbey:
I'm hardly ignorant, and hating backward social behavior is hardly spiteful.

Nice strawman, though. Kind of doubt you're liberal, too. Now run along.


Not a strawman at all.  Do you doubt that there are people on this site who compare the right to fascists?  Would you like me to find some examples for you?

I'm curious though.  What would someone on the left have to say before you consider it hateful and spiteful?
 
2013-10-05 05:33:11 PM

llortcM_yllort: whidbey:
I'm hardly ignorant, and hating backward social behavior is hardly spiteful.

Nice strawman, though. Kind of doubt you're liberal, too. Now run along.

Not a strawman at all.  Do you doubt that there are people on this site who compare the right to fascists?  Would you like me to find some examples for you?


You couldn't really. You just to believe it's the case.

I'm curious though.  What would someone on the left have to say before you consider it hateful and spiteful?

Who cares? We should both be in agreement that there's a huge economic gap where the poor get farked and rich make out like bandits every year. You seem to want to make people who are outraged by this into the same kind of ignorant assholes who support it.
 
2013-10-05 05:35:45 PM

whidbey: llortcM_yllort: whidbey:
I'm hardly ignorant, and hating backward social behavior is hardly spiteful.

Nice strawman, though. Kind of doubt you're liberal, too. Now run along.

Not a strawman at all.  Do you doubt that there are people on this site who compare the right to fascists?  Would you like me to find some examples for you?

You couldn't really. You just to believe it's the case.

I'm curious though.  What would someone on the left have to say before you consider it hateful and spiteful?

Who cares? We should both be in agreement that there's a huge economic gap where the poor get farked and rich make out like bandits every year. You seem to want to make people who are outraged by this into the same kind of ignorant assholes who support it.


I do agree.  There is a huge gap and something needs to be done about it.  However, my complaint was with what you originally said; that conservatives on this site are hateful and ignorant while liberals are little angels.  Everyone is a dick.  That's what Fark is and always has been.
 
2013-10-05 05:36:29 PM

llortcM_yllort: It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.


Well, "evil" has unnecessary religious and supernatural connotations.  "Well worthy of a good beating and political disenfranchisement" is more like it.
 
2013-10-05 05:38:17 PM

llortcM_yllort: Everyone is a dick.


So both sides are . . . bad?
 
2013-10-05 05:38:46 PM

The Name: llortcM_yllort: It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.

Well, "evil" has unnecessary religious and supernatural connotations.  "Well worthy of a good beating and political disenfranchisement" is more like it.


Political disenfranchisement can mean many things.  What do you mean by political disenfranchisement in this instance?
 
2013-10-05 05:40:01 PM

The Name: llortcM_yllort: Everyone is a dick.

So both sides are . . . bad?


Only on Fark and Reddit.
 
2013-10-05 05:43:11 PM

llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.

Well, "evil" has unnecessary religious and supernatural connotations.  "Well worthy of a good beating and political disenfranchisement" is more like it.

Political disenfranchisement can mean many things.  What do you mean by political disenfranchisement in this instance?


I don't have anything specific in mind, but imagine current voter suppression efforts in red states, except in reverse.
 
2013-10-05 05:43:57 PM
Of course, subby--the answer is always more tax cuts.
 
2013-10-05 05:46:58 PM

The Name: llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.

Well, "evil" has unnecessary religious and supernatural connotations.  "Well worthy of a good beating and political disenfranchisement" is more like it.

Political disenfranchisement can mean many things.  What do you mean by political disenfranchisement in this instance?

I don't have anything specific in mind, but imagine current voter suppression efforts in red states, except in reverse.


Really?  You'd use the same anti-democratic tactics to silence your opponents that your opponents themselves are doing?  Doesn't that make you a hypocrite and just as bad as them?
 
2013-10-05 05:48:28 PM

llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.

Well, "evil" has unnecessary religious and supernatural connotations.  "Well worthy of a good beating and political disenfranchisement" is more like it.

Political disenfranchisement can mean many things.  What do you mean by political disenfranchisement in this instance?

I don't have anything specific in mind, but imagine current voter suppression efforts in red states, except in reverse.

Really?  You'd use the same anti-democratic tactics to silence your opponents that your opponents themselves are doing?  Doesn't that make you a hypocrite and just as bad as them?


So vote republican.
 
2013-10-05 05:49:28 PM

llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.

Well, "evil" has unnecessary religious and supernatural connotations.  "Well worthy of a good beating and political disenfranchisement" is more like it.

Political disenfranchisement can mean many things.  What do you mean by political disenfranchisement in this instance?

I don't have anything specific in mind, but imagine current voter suppression efforts in red states, except in reverse.

Really?  You'd use the same anti-democratic tactics to silence your opponents that your opponents themselves are doing?  Doesn't that make you a hypocrite and just as bad as them?


You reap what you sow, man.  You reap what you sow.
 
2013-10-05 06:04:56 PM
The poor just need to work harder. Because you see, Arbeit Macht Frei.
 
2013-10-05 06:20:01 PM

The Name: llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: The Name: llortcM_yllort: It's another thing entirely to claim that 30% of the country are evil.

Well, "evil" has unnecessary religious and supernatural connotations.  "Well worthy of a good beating and political disenfranchisement" is more like it.

Political disenfranchisement can mean many things.  What do you mean by political disenfranchisement in this instance?

I don't have anything specific in mind, but imagine current voter suppression efforts in red states, except in reverse.

Really?  You'd use the same anti-democratic tactics to silence your opponents that your opponents themselves are doing?  Doesn't that make you a hypocrite and just as bad as them?

You reap what you sow, man.  You reap what you sow.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.  So vote Green.
 
2013-10-05 06:20:49 PM
15% live in poverty.

and the other 83% are there to send all their GDP to the richest 2% who own America and its Government.

the Rich live off the Poor
and the Poor live off their labor.

ain't Freedom/Democracy great!
 
2013-10-05 06:24:14 PM

Mrbogey: Dusk-You-n-Me: 8 million people were lifted out of poverty under Clinton. 8.3 million fell back into poverty under W. Maybe poverty and homelessness are perceived as less of a problem because it becomes less of a problem when Democrats are in charge.

[blogs-images.forbes.com image 678x460]


the Poverty rate was falling until the 1980's when ronnie raygun began looking the other way while companies began offshoring american jobs for cheap labor and when ronnie/congress began cutting taxes for the rich/big businesses.  the slow slide downward and  the shrinking middle class/growning poor class began in the 80's.

ain't Freedom great!
 
2013-10-05 06:25:33 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: What Republicans want poor people to be like:

[gdb.voanews.com image 850x566]



More for them
less for everyone else.

and the so called 'free enterprise market' in America is all but gone.  its a controlled market now.
 
2013-10-05 06:41:32 PM

soze: The War On Poverty has maintained poverty below 15% since implementation, a marked sustained decrease from previous historical poverty levels, even accounting for the many booms and busts we have experienced since implementation. Impressively consistent.

Additionally, the chart is curiously cropped to cut off anything from before the post-War boom. Interesting, no? Is that stupidity or malfeasance? We could determine that if you would cite your sources. Since you won't, I'll do it for you:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/09/13/dramatic-increase-in- po verty-rate-one-small-step-for-obama-one-giant-step-for-the-so-called-w ar-on-poverty/

Well, that's neat. An article in Forbes by a Cato Institute employee. I wonder what it looks like before 1950? WELL GEE I'D LOVE TO LOOK THAT UP BUT THOSE REPUBLICAN farkTARDS SHUT DOWN THE DAMN GOVERNMENT SO THE CENSUS DB IS DOWN.


Since WW2, we haven't had a major war effort that refocused the entire economy or a major depression. We can't know what the poverty rate would have looked like without the programs but typically war and depression drive it up. So I really don't think it staying around the same relatively low point is all that significant of an achievement especially since the rate was falling before it.

We've spent an incredible amount that dwarfs the collective wealth of most of the rest of the world and we still have poverty. Perhaps we need to define poverty more along the lines of standard of living and not a differential basis. To live at 1965 levels of poverty you'd need to make very little money.
 
2013-10-05 07:07:00 PM

Pocket Ninja: Now, this society, like ours, has a top 1 percent who are the wealthy job creators. So that's one person who in this society earns triple income...that's $15000. The next 6 under him -- numbers 2 through 7 -- they're middle class, so they earn $6000 each. And the bottom two, they're poor. They only earn $3000 each.


If only.

That top guy?  He earns $2,124,000 to the next six's $6000.

So of course that means he's splitting 1.2 million between everyone, and they're all totally loaded now.  Poverty solved.
 
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