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(The New York Times)   The longer this goes on, the more John Boehner is sounding like General Paulus, trapped in the frozen desert of Stalingrad, trying desperately to convince his troops that the future holds anything but abject and total surrender   (nytimes.com) divider line 144
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2013-10-05 02:46:52 PM  
Going to be a blast if the website traffic problems get linked to a gop Dos attacks.
 
2013-10-05 02:49:20 PM  

Evilnissan: Going to be a blast if the website traffic problems get linked to a gop Dos attacks.


I doubt there's enough GOPers out there with the skills to do that.  Computers are science, after all.  They ignore religious talk and have never come out against abortion, so most GOPers ignore computers or equate them with the devil.
 
2013-10-05 02:51:14 PM  
Right.

Obama's approval rating is at 41% now by the way.
 
2013-10-05 02:57:19 PM  

Infernalist: Evilnissan: Going to be a blast if the website traffic problems get linked to a gop Dos attacks.

I doubt there's enough GOPers out there with the skills to do that.  Computers are science, after all.  They ignore religious talk and have never come out against abortion, so most GOPers ignore computers or equate them with the devil.


But they have cash and the means. They will just say its job creation.
 
2013-10-05 02:59:30 PM  

jjorsett: The Democrats ought to be dropping to their knees in gratitude for the shutdown. If not for that, the news media might have to cover the ongoing catastrophe that is the opening of Obamacare. Thanks, Republicans!


Damn!  It's the only thing that could have worked, too!  Maybe you guys can get Obama to re-start the program after the government is working again.  Sort of a do-over.  Maybe give you guys a chance to get some kind of media push behind you.  Maybe you guys should get a network or affiliation of websites/patriot bloggers to get this news out.
 
2013-10-05 03:02:52 PM  
One man will not allow a clean CR bill to come to a vote.

A single man can completely throttle the entire government.

This is absolutely unacceptable.
 
2013-10-05 03:04:26 PM  

HighOnCraic: BMulligan: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Back in my college days, I had a printout of the Fifty-Something Ways Of How Hitler Lost The War.

Worst Paul Simon song ever.

Just drop off the key, Lee
And work makes you free


Exterminate a Jew, Lou
Cyanide for me 'n you
 
2013-10-05 03:05:23 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Crabs_Can_Polevault: foo monkey: Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.

Would that be Operation Uranus?

Instantly brought this oldie but goodie to mind...

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 600x491]

Not mine, sadly.

My God, what was happening when that picture was taken?  That is awesome.


If I remember correctly, it was the day the Supreme Court found the Affordable Care Act to be constitutional.  It is my very favorite picture of Bohener - he looks like a kid who dropped his ice cream cone and someone told him that no, he can't have a new one.
 
2013-10-05 03:08:22 PM  
DamnYankees:
Sarah Palin nomination = Beer Hall Putsch
2010 election = 1933 election
2011 debt ceiling = Steamrolling of France
2012 election = battle of moscow
Now = Stalingrad


Your jib. I like the cut of it.
 
2013-10-05 03:09:39 PM  
I read Paulus as Pyrrhus at first... Pyrrhus, unlike Boehner and Paulus, actually managed to win major battles.
 
2013-10-05 03:09:52 PM  

randomjsa: Right.

Obama's approval rating is at 41% now by the way.


congressional Republicans' is 17%, what's your point.
 
2013-10-05 03:11:02 PM  

quizzical: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Crabs_Can_Polevault: foo monkey: Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.

Would that be Operation Uranus?

Instantly brought this oldie but goodie to mind...

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 600x491]

Not mine, sadly.

My God, what was happening when that picture was taken?  That is awesome.

If I remember correctly, it was the day the Supreme Court found the Affordable Care Act to be constitutional.  It is my very favorite picture of Bohener - he looks like a kid who dropped his ice cream cone and someone told him that no, he can't have a new one.


Oh, wait, I'm entirely wrong.  The picture was taken the day before the ACA decision.  But the link explains why my brain associates them together.
 
2013-10-05 03:14:45 PM  
FTFA: At a White House meeting with the president this week, Mr. Boehner twice brought up quiet talks between Ms. Murray and Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, the House Budget Committee chairman, as a way to end the impasse with a broad budget deal. The third time, Mr. Reid laughed out loud.  "I couldn't take it any longer. I said: 'Stop it. They've met a few times and talked about nothing. The meetings were only for you, for show,' " Mr. Reid said.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-10-05 03:15:41 PM  

Dafatone: Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.


He's done after this anyway.
 
2013-10-05 03:30:53 PM  
Boehner is too limp and flaccid to stand up to anything.  Like Paulus he'll be going into exile soon.  Too bad it won't be a real Gulag.
 
2013-10-05 03:38:40 PM  
There is but ONE WAY out of this hole, and it seems that it's KEEP DIGGING!

Good luck with that.
 
2013-10-05 03:43:33 PM  

randomjsa: Right.

Obama's approval rating is at 41% now by the way.


What's the GOP's?
 
2013-10-05 03:47:54 PM  

whidbey: the longer this goes on

I doubt it--The past 5 years should have been the official death of the Republican party, but there are more than enough stupid spiteful Americans to put another Bush/Romney/McCain type administration into office in 2016.


And now there is a precedent where the federal government can force you to buy something against your will. There's also the precedent that the president can waive or delay laws he doesn't like.

Gee...thanks...that helps so much.
 
2013-10-05 03:55:40 PM  

SnapeShots: whidbey: the longer this goes on

I doubt it--The past 5 years should have been the official death of the Republican party, but there are more than enough stupid spiteful Americans to put another Bush/Romney/McCain type administration into office in 2016.

And now there is a precedent where the federal government can force you to buy something against your will. There's also the precedent that the president can waive or delay laws he doesn't like.

Gee...thanks...that helps so much.


If you really believe either of those paranoid contentions, then I don't think anything's going to help you.
 
2013-10-05 04:02:04 PM  
So who will make the now obligatory Downfall parody on Youtube?
 
2013-10-05 04:03:46 PM  

OdradekRex: So who will make the now obligatory Downfall parody on Youtube?


There's always that Hitler movie. Just come up with some new subtitles.

/godwin
 
2013-10-05 04:16:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: clambam: If they'd known what a mess it would turn out to be, they wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to undercut it this way.

The only people who think it's a mess are those who are reaching for straws trying to make something into a failure.


Sorry man, it's kind of a mess. I'm speaking purely in terms of the technical challenge of enabling everyone in the US to access ACA benefits in a timely manner. If it's all ironed out in a week, fine. If it isn't, there's a serious problem.
 
2013-10-05 04:19:36 PM  

clambam: cameroncrazy1984: clambam: If they'd known what a mess it would turn out to be, they wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to undercut it this way.

The only people who think it's a mess are those who are reaching for straws trying to make something into a failure.

Sorry man, it's kind of a mess. I'm speaking purely in terms of the technical challenge of enabling everyone in the US to access ACA benefits in a timely manner. If it's all ironed out in a week, fine. If it isn't, there's a serious problem.


It's a mess frankly because the "mandate" isn't..
 
2013-10-05 04:34:13 PM  

El_Perro: Tannhauser: Dafatone: Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.

The Dems can promise to vote for him as Speaker if he brings the clean CR to the floor and he gets a vote of no confidence from the GOP.

That doesn't help him if he's primaried by some Tea Party candidate and does not get re-elected to the House in the first place.


Not a big deal.  His district is more country club than rod 'n gun club.
 
2013-10-05 04:40:45 PM  

clambam: cameroncrazy1984: clambam: If they'd known what a mess it would turn out to be, they wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to undercut it this way.

The only people who think it's a mess are those who are reaching for straws trying to make something into a failure.

Sorry man, it's kind of a mess. I'm speaking purely in terms of the technical challenge of enabling everyone in the US to access ACA benefits in a timely manner. If it's all ironed out in a week, fine. If it isn't, there's a serious problem.


Why is it a serious problem? The mandate doesn't go into effect for three more months.
 
2013-10-05 04:56:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: clambam: cameroncrazy1984: clambam: If they'd known what a mess it would turn out to be, they wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to undercut it this way.

The only people who think it's a mess are those who are reaching for straws trying to make something into a failure.

Sorry man, it's kind of a mess. I'm speaking purely in terms of the technical challenge of enabling everyone in the US to access ACA benefits in a timely manner. If it's all ironed out in a week, fine. If it isn't, there's a serious problem.

Why is it a serious problem? The mandate doesn't go into effect for three more months.


You weren't responding to me, but I'll chime in anyway.   Yes, the technical glitches are very bad.  I work for a "death panel" and I have a little insight here.

Anyone (the GOP) saying people don't want this is insane.  The demand has been incredible.  The phones have been ringing off the hook with people wanting to sign up.  However, they want to know if they are eligible for subsidies before doing so.  And that's where things are falling apart.  Web sites don't work when you get to that point.  We could have signed up *hundreds* of new members this week, but due to those problems we only have a handful.  To make matters worse, we have a network of brokers trying to sell our plans, but they can't close the deal because they can't quote the subsidies.  They are incensed because they have people with checkbooks in hand ready to make their binder payments and sign up but they can't.

For me, I don't understand why anyone is even trying to sign up now.  The whole point of an open enrollment period is to have time to shop.  Coverage doesn't start until Jan 1 no matter what.

But to reiterate - it is unbelievable how many people have been waiting for this to happen.  The competition is only going to get better next year when the delayed employer mandates kick in and the really big players come into the exchanges.
 
2013-10-05 05:01:28 PM  

SnapeShots: Dinki: So who is playing Hitler, screaming over the radio " The 6th Army will hold its positions to the last man and the last round."? Cantor? Limbaugh? The Kochs?

Only two posts to get this Godwinned. Good job!


The headline references General Paulus and Stalingrad. World War II ring any bells? How about the Great Patriotic War? The war against Hitler? Hello? McFly?

Mentioning Hitler in the context of that headline doesn't count as a Godwin.
 
2013-10-05 05:14:05 PM  
Here's the deal.... If nothing gets passed at the debt ceiling isn't raised... We will all farming lose bad.  And blame will go around to everyone... Guaranteed.  House  repub reps may get voted out.... But not until an entire year later and the damage will have already been done.

Dems are going to blink.... They have to.... But how much they blink to meet blinking repub reps is the question.
 
2013-10-05 05:27:01 PM  

DFWTCU: Here's the deal.... If nothing gets passed at the debt ceiling isn't raised... We will all farming lose bad.  And blame will go around to everyone... Guaranteed.  House  repub reps may get voted out.... But not until an entire year later and the damage will have already been done.

Dems are going to blink.... They have to.... But how much they blink to meet blinking repub reps is the question.


No.

If they blink, this is forever legitimized. And will happen. Again and again and again.

And no, we're not going over the debt ceiling. Because I realize Obama has *said* he won't use alternative measures to get around it, but he has to, or there's no pressure for the house to try.

For whatever faults Obama may have, he is a pragmatist. He is not just going to sit there and watch the World Economy take a nuke. If forced to, he *will* use one of the possible workarounds.
 
2013-10-05 05:34:20 PM  
And I'm sure it will go to the Supreme Court immediately after that... And if they agree.... Then the power of the purse has forever changed.  And if they don't, the country is immediately in default.

People are going to blink because they're not going to leave it up to nine magical wizards in black robes.
 
2013-10-05 05:41:25 PM  

DFWTCU: People are going to blink because they're not going to leave it up to nine magical wizards in black robes.


You think they are going to blink because the Supreme Court can't make big decisions?
 
2013-10-05 05:57:06 PM  

jjorsett: The Democrats ought to be dropping to their knees in gratitude for the shutdown. If not for that, the news media might have to cover the ongoing catastrophe that is the opening of Obamacare. Thanks, Republicans!


Yes, sweetie. millions of Americans being able to afford medical care is a catastrophe.

A catastrophe. Healthy Americans, going to work, helping reduce our federal deficit. A catastrophe.
 
2013-10-05 06:19:04 PM  

DFWTCU: And I'm sure it will go to the Supreme Court immediately after that... And if they agree.... Then the power of the purse has forever changed.  And if they don't, the country is immediately in default.

People are going to blink because they're not going to leave it up to nine magical wizards in black robes.


Republicans, specifically, will blink because they cannot avoid blame for a default.   With respect to the business community, who increasingly fund their campaigns, the PR war is over, and the Republicans have lost.
 
2013-10-05 06:54:39 PM  

Dafatone: Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.


Except that that wont happen.
Even if he lost the primary to some WACKJOB, he would run as an independent and easily keep his seat.
FFS, his district LIKES him, they wont teaparty him ...
 
2013-10-05 07:09:24 PM  

whidbey: SnapeShots: And now there is a precedent where the federal government can force you to buy something against your will. There's also the precedent that the president can waive or delay laws he doesn't like.

If you really believe either of those paranoid contentions, then I don't think anything's going to help you.


The ACA was passed saying you must buy health insurance or be fined. The Supreme Court concurred, saying the Commerce Clause can be used to force you to buy a product or service even if you don't want it. After it was passed, and the Supreme Court said it was constitutional, President Obama delayed implementation (illegally) of the business mandate to buy the insurance for their workers.

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue.
 
2013-10-05 07:43:22 PM  

namatad: Dafatone: Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.

Except that that wont happen.
Even if he lost the primary to some WACKJOB, he would run as an independent and easily keep his seat.
FFS, his district LIKES him, they wont teaparty him ...


Perhaps, but if the national GOP and/or their big dollar benefactors decide to fund a teabagger opponent instead of Boehner, he'll have to find some way of funding his campaign. And if he manages to win the primary, he'll then have to deal with running in the general election with an empty coin-purse.

And it's not just his job as Representative from Ohio Congressional District #Potato that's on the line, there's also his job as Speaker Of The House Of Representatives that he stands to lose as well.

/I don't know if Ohio has a law on the books that prohibits primary election losers from running in the general under a different party or as an independent
//if they do have such a law and John Erection loses the primary to a Koch-funded teabagger, he's completely out of luck
 
2013-10-05 08:27:58 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: KarmicDisaster: DamnYankees: SamWaters: Obama needs to fix his website ASAP before the government is rebooted with everything but ObamaCare funded.   I see the House just voted to give all the furloughed workers backpay (paid vacation).

I agree with this. Every single time I've tried to register on the site in the last week, it says its suffering from overload and I have to wait, and then it sits on that page forever.

Seems like it might be popular for some reason.

Almost as if millions of Americans have no health insurance.


Or in my case, Really shiatty Insurance (LLC).

I work for a small company. They don't offer insurance, and it's really hard to find decent insurance as an individual.
 
2013-10-05 08:48:41 PM  
StopLurkListen:  And like the Battle of Stalingrad, Stalingrad wasn't the original objective, the oilfields of the Caucusus were. he Wehrmacht until then had not ever been beaten, they excelled at mobile combined arms ('blitzkrieg'), and pointedly refused to get involved in urban combat.

Ending Obamacare = oilfields, Stalingrad = shutdown.  "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

The shutdown became the objective, now the GOP reps are wondering how the hell they ended up in Stalingrad in the first place.


Dat's easy, Doc!  Dey missed dat left toin at Albuquerque!
 
2013-10-05 08:59:27 PM  

DFWTCU: Here's the deal.... If nothing gets passed at the debt ceiling isn't raised... We will all farming lose bad.  And blame will go around to everyone... Guaranteed.  House  repub reps may get voted out.... But not until an entire year later and the damage will have already been done.

Dems are going to blink.... They have to.... But how much they blink to meet blinking repub reps is the question.


OK. I'll bite. The "Dems" won't get a chance to blink. This ball is in the House of Representatives' court.

On one hand we have a bill that was turned into law via the Constitution and survived challenge in the supreme court. On the other hand we have Republicans who want to default on the US debt because they hate "big government" and apparently, to them, "big government" means this particular law and they intend to defy the US Constitution. Next Tuesday, to the same folks, "big government" could be teaching evolution in schools.

Seriously, it's turned into a Civil War and some folks are going to lose.
 
2013-10-05 09:08:30 PM  

Infernalist: Evilnissan: Going to be a blast if the website traffic problems get linked to a gop Dos attacks.

I doubt there's enough GOPers out there with the skills to do that.  Computers are science, after all.  They ignore religious talk and have never come out against abortion, so most GOPers ignore computers or equate them with the devil.


But there are SO many Overzealous Stafferstm
 
2013-10-05 09:37:26 PM  
Rep. Boner is bad at his job.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-05 09:42:03 PM  
Rep. Boner is really bad at his job.


www.bbc.co.uk
 
2013-10-05 10:33:27 PM  
That means Obama is Stalin, confirming my suspicions all along

*lean back on chair*
*park feet on desk*
*chomp on cigar*
 
2013-10-05 11:55:57 PM  

Kome: Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.

If by "ironic" you mean "how things have been for the last couple of decades" then yes. The Dems are always the ones cleaning up the the messes made by Republicans.


For how long now?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
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