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(The New York Times)   The longer this goes on, the more John Boehner is sounding like General Paulus, trapped in the frozen desert of Stalingrad, trying desperately to convince his troops that the future holds anything but abject and total surrender   (nytimes.com) divider line 144
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2013-10-05 10:23:40 AM
Well that's comforting.
 
2013-10-05 10:28:08 AM
So who is playing Hitler, screaming over the radio " The 6th Army will hold its positions to the last man and the last round."? Cantor? Limbaugh? The Kochs?
 
2013-10-05 10:36:07 AM

Dinki: So who is playing Hitler, screaming over the radio " The 6th Army will hold its positions to the last man and the last round."? Cantor? Limbaugh? The Kochs?


Obviously Cruz, with Sean Hannity as Goebells.
 
2013-10-05 12:46:49 PM
I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.
 
2013-10-05 12:54:50 PM

Dinki: So who is playing Hitler, screaming over the radio " The 6th Army will hold its positions to the last man and the last round."? Cantor? Limbaugh? The Kochs?


yes.
 
2013-10-05 12:55:48 PM
Stop it, guys. You're going to make Boehner cr-, oh, shiat.
 
2013-10-05 12:56:21 PM
Will we hear the lamentations of their women and rentboys? Because that would be awesome!
 
2013-10-05 12:56:36 PM

Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.


Would that be Operation Uranus?
 
2013-10-05 12:57:30 PM

Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.


It would also change the dynamic entirely, Dems would just introduce clean bills 45 days ahead of time (the minimum is 30 to do it this way), and effectively remove the ability of the fringe elements to control the majority of Congress.
 
2013-10-05 12:57:32 PM
I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass. On one hand that just makes me do a sad chuckle, kind of like watching a clown die by choking on a balloon animal.
 
2013-10-05 12:58:23 PM

Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.


If by "ironic" you mean "how things have been for the last couple of decades" then yes. The Dems are always the ones cleaning up the the messes made by Republicans.
 
2013-10-05 12:58:40 PM

TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass. On one hand that just makes me do a sad chuckle, kind of like watching a clown die by choking on a balloon animal.


Why would it pass when 40+ have failed?
 
2013-10-05 12:59:43 PM

Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.


It won't. The discharge petition is pointless because many times since the shutdown, Democrats have offered an amendment to a bill the House was working on, which if taken up would have passed the clean CR. The Speaker ruled them out of order, and the member called for a vote of the house to override the Speaker.

Not a single GOP rep voted for any of them. They won't vote for a discharge petition either. The moderate GOP Representatives are either lying about being willing to vote for a clean CR or more afraid of their own party than the American public. Either way, parlimentary tricks won't get us out of this. The only way forward is a clean CR, which is not looking likely before the next election at this point.
 
2013-10-05 01:00:38 PM

TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass. On one hand that just makes me do a sad chuckle, kind of like watching a clown die by choking on a balloon animal.


It's too late. As soon as October 1st came and the exchanges started up the mouthbreathers started to realize they'd been played all along.
 
2013-10-05 01:00:42 PM

Kome:  The Dems are always the ones cleaning up the the messes made by Republicans.


This should be engraved onto all national currency.
 
2013-10-05 01:01:42 PM

TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass. On one hand that just makes me do a sad chuckle, kind of like watching a clown die by choking on a balloon animal.


You sound concerned......
 
2013-10-05 01:01:50 PM

TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass.


no. it won't
 
2013-10-05 01:02:27 PM

cretinbob: TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass.

no. it won't


Oh, it'll pass the House. Like the last 41 times.
 
2013-10-05 01:02:33 PM

foo monkey: TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass. On one hand that just makes me do a sad chuckle, kind of like watching a clown die by choking on a balloon animal.

Why would it pass when 40+ have failed


I'm guessing that he means pass the House. The Senate would reject it as usual.
 
2013-10-05 01:02:33 PM
Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.
 
2013-10-05 01:03:39 PM
I did Nazi this analogy coming.
 
2013-10-05 01:03:53 PM
Boehner is driving the car only he refuses to step on the brake and turn the wheel.  Hey John, the country won't think you're any less of a man if you stop and ask for directions.
 
2013-10-05 01:04:54 PM
You've got the wrong map, there! This is Stalingrad!  You wouldn't have much fun in Stalingrad!
Not.. much.. fun.. in.. Stalingrad.  Heinrich you fool!  You have given me the wrong map!
I'm sorry, mein Fuehrer!  Mein... dickey old chum!
 
2013-10-05 01:06:47 PM
That immunity from insider trading and economic sabotage should make it all worthwhile for all the humble tea partiers.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:00 PM
yafh.com
 
2013-10-05 01:08:18 PM

Dafatone: Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.


The Dems can promise to vote for him as Speaker if he brings the clean CR to the floor and he gets a vote of no confidence from the GOP.
 
2013-10-05 01:08:28 PM

runwiz: Boehner is driving the car only he refuses to step on the brake and turn the wheel.  Hey John, the country won't think you're any less of a man if you stop and ask for directions.


Of course, the reason for that is is that it's impossible to think of him as any less of a man than we do now.
 
2013-10-05 01:09:28 PM
General Woundwort:  Come back!  Come back and fight!  Dogs aren't dangerous!
 
2013-10-05 01:09:40 PM

KarmicDisaster: foo monkey: TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass. On one hand that just makes me do a sad chuckle, kind of like watching a clown die by choking on a balloon animal.

Why would it pass when 40+ have failed

I'm guessing that he means pass the House. The Senate would reject it as usual.


Yep, meant pass the house, die in the Senate like the last 40 times we've wasted time. I thought my clown dying by choking on a balloon animal gave it away. Maybe I should have went with a juggler who dies while parachuting because he gets impaled on the Empire State building.
 
2013-10-05 01:10:30 PM

foo monkey: TheManofPA: I have this odd feeling that after the shutdown, the first major House vote will be a repeal of Obamacare that will pass. On one hand that just makes me do a sad chuckle, kind of like watching a clown die by choking on a balloon animal.

Why would it pass when 40+ have failed?


Those 40+ have passed the House. They never get any further than that.
 
2013-10-05 01:10:45 PM
The GOP has certainly scored a huge victory here.  There is literally no downside.  Keep up the pressure, stalwart champions of freedom!  The nation is depending on you!

And don't throw me into that briar patch, neither.
 
2013-10-05 01:11:13 PM
Wouldn't Bagdad Bob be the more contemporary comparison?

Hmm.... Bagdad Boehner sounds about right.
 
2013-10-05 01:11:15 PM
Can we persuade him to shoot himself for an Austrian corporal?
 
2013-10-05 01:12:17 PM
Subby, I do have to say, that was a wonderful reference.
 
2013-10-05 01:12:29 PM

Tannhauser: Dafatone: Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.

The Dems can promise to vote for him as Speaker if he brings the clean CR to the floor and he gets a vote of no confidence from the GOP.


That doesn't help him if he's primaried by some Tea Party candidate and does not get re-elected to the House in the first place.
 
2013-10-05 01:12:46 PM
Enemy at the Gates.
 
2013-10-05 01:13:45 PM

foo monkey: Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.

Would that be Operation Uranus?


Instantly brought this oldie but goodie to mind...

lh5.googleusercontent.com

Not mine, sadly.
 
2013-10-05 01:14:01 PM

Tannhauser: Dafatone: Boehner thinks that if he lets a clean CR come to a vote and pass, he'll get primaried.

This entire thing is Boehner not wanting to lose his job.  That's it.  There's tons of stuff that's not actually relevant or that important.  It's all Boehner wanting to keep his job.

The Dems can promise to vote for him as Speaker if he brings the clean CR to the floor and he gets a vote of no confidence from the GOP.


Since we're going all Nazi here, I'll say, "Schadenfreude"
 
2013-10-05 01:14:05 PM
I saw Boehner as more of a Helmuth Weidling myself. The Fuhrer is ranting in the bunker about how the shutdown will kill Obamacare all the while the Democrats are on the street to the Reagan Ranch.

If that allegory is too unsettling, we can try an other third of the Axis. Romneyshima and Ryansaki got nuked. But Emperor Reagan's dead, so there's nobody left to announce to the Tea Party Generals and the people that the war's over.

Maybe its too early for this, I think I need another Coke.
 
2013-10-05 01:15:11 PM
Anyone else catch that firs paragraph answer find it odd?????
 
2013-10-05 01:16:31 PM

Ambivalence: I do hope Pelosi's attempt to circumvent Boehner to pass a clean CR works. It would be deliciously ironic for republicans to depend on democrats to save us all from the crisis republicans created.



I just have a mental image of most republicans voting for it to get out of this mess and then campaigning on how they passed a republican plan to fix the democrat-led shutdown efforts.
 
2013-10-05 01:17:29 PM
 
2013-10-05 01:18:26 PM

Skleenar: Conservative humor.


I remember reading a 2010 column by Krugman, and he was talking about if we elect the GOP to Congress, it would be the biggest step backward for American governance in generations. I thought he was being hyperbolic. Turns out he was spot on.
 
2013-10-05 01:18:55 PM
Obama needs to fix his website ASAP before the government is rebooted with everything but ObamaCare funded.   I see the House just voted to give all the furloughed workers backpay (paid vacation).
 
2013-10-05 01:19:53 PM

SamWaters: Obama needs to fix his website ASAP before the government is rebooted with everything but ObamaCare funded.   I see the House just voted to give all the furloughed workers backpay (paid vacation).


I agree with this. Every single time I've tried to register on the site in the last week, it says its suffering from overload and I have to wait, and then it sits on that page forever.
 
2013-10-05 01:21:44 PM

HighOnCraic: General Woundwort:  Come back!  Come back and fight!  Dogs aren't dangerous!


The Black Rabbit of Inle awaits.
fc05.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-05 01:22:02 PM

FormlessOne: Subby, I do have to say, that was a wonderful reference.


There was this show that would come on the Military channel that analyzed various commander's battle plans and moves. Stalingrad is the most interesting episode, because it reallys shows how the Germans just lost the plot so quickly. Towards the end, you almost feel sorry for Paulus, because in addition to the Russian winter decimating them, every move he makes gets thwarted either by the Russians or - more often - by Hitler being his usual delusional self.
 
2013-10-05 01:22:54 PM

FormlessOne: Subby, I do have to say, that was a wonderful reference.


Gracias. It just seemed apt to me. Either this or Masada.
 
2013-10-05 01:23:06 PM
OK, this is the same guy that just came out and said:

"I was at the White House earlier tonight.  And I listened to the President some 20 times explain to me why he wasn't going to negotiate.  Sat there and listened to the majority leader in the United States senate, describe to me that he's not gonna talk until we surrender.  And then this morning, I got the Wall Street Journal out, and it says "Well, we don't care how long this lasts because we're winningThis isn't some damn game!"

So, it's OK to win an "epic battle," but not a game?

Call it what you will, Boner, but changing it from a game to a battle doesn't matter.  Fix this situation and get back to work.
 
2013-10-05 01:23:29 PM

DamnYankees: SamWaters: Obama needs to fix his website ASAP before the government is rebooted with everything but ObamaCare funded.   I see the House just voted to give all the furloughed workers backpay (paid vacation).

I agree with this. Every single time I've tried to register on the site in the last week, it says its suffering from overload and I have to wait, and then it sits on that page forever.


Seems like it might be popular for some reason.
 
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