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(Blogger.com)   Turns out the "paleo diet" is a sham because we don't know what people ate in 100,000 B.C. Heck, most of us don't even remember what we ate yesterday   (explodingunicorn.blogspot.com) divider line 252
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2013-10-05 12:18:23 PM
A diet fad is a sham?  WTF is this world coming to?
 
2013-10-05 01:19:26 PM
...I just remember eating what they told me.

/not really obscure
//not subby
///uses the 'things I put on a list' diet
 
2013-10-05 01:26:04 PM
Whatever they ate, cheetos and ding dongs weren't part of it I'm pretty sure.
 
2013-10-05 01:39:17 PM
I think the paleo diet makes logical sense as a concept and works if you follow it correctly, but I think any diet that restrictive is doomed in the long term.  It's better to generally eat healthy and LIMIT certain things like complex carbohydrates.  Oh yeah, and get some exercise.
 
2013-10-05 01:49:48 PM
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Wachoo you talkin' about Subby?
 
2013-10-05 02:00:02 PM
Sure, eating raw foods are good for you, if you discount evolution that is.

Humanity evolved into eating beyond raw flesh and animal dung.

Why did we evolve? Because eating a variety of more food ended up being better for us in the long term
 
2013-10-05 02:13:08 PM
Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.
 
2013-10-05 03:02:19 PM
The diet itself is very healthy. The "science" behind the diet is what's bullshiat.
 
2013-10-05 03:04:59 PM
I think it makes more sense to look at what our closest relatives, chimpanzees, eat: lots of fruits, vegetables, and roughage, some insects for protein and the occasional small furry animal.
 
2013-10-05 03:05:38 PM
Any diet that has you stalking a wooly mammoth for days before finally taking it down with a spear is alright by me.
Wait, that's NOT how it works? o_O
 
2013-10-05 03:05:40 PM
I had pizza yesterday. Wish I had somehow.
 
2013-10-05 03:05:44 PM

Somacandra: its a pretty good fit for me.


If only people learned to recognize this and stop framing everything they like as a Universal TruthTM.
 
2013-10-05 03:05:44 PM
A. There are no citations or external links whatsoever from this guy's blog about the subject, and B. his profile blurb is "I'm the father of two, husband of one, and enemy of all mankind. My hobbies include growing older and gaining weight. I'm pretty good at both. I never quit, especially when I'm ahead. My life is a string of unmitigated failures connected by occasional periods of sleep. My greatest skill is showing up. I'm better than most at taking up space."

I'm relatively certain this is some attempt at satire, or else just his drunken rambling.

/not a paleo
//friend's husband is managing his Crohn's Disease rather well via that diet, however.
 
2013-10-05 03:05:52 PM
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2013-10-05 03:05:57 PM
Talk to someone on a paleo or ketogenic diet - ask them how their life has chaged before and after.  Try it yourself for 6 months.  All that matters right?
 
2013-10-05 03:06:02 PM

Hoban Washburne: I think the paleo diet makes logical sense as a concept and works if you follow it correctly, but I think any diet that restrictive is doomed in the long term.  It's better to generally eat healthy and LIMIT certain things like complex carbohydrates.  Oh yeah, and get some exercise.


Well that's just crazy talk.
 
2013-10-05 03:06:25 PM
But the "Maker's Diet" still makes sense, right?
 
2013-10-05 03:06:42 PM
Although chimpanzees with access to more meat will consistently eat the living shiat out of it.  They eat lots of fruits and veggies cuz they're easy to catch.
 
2013-10-05 03:06:59 PM

Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.


i assume this is because it makes you feel full?  what form do you take?  just metamucil or whatever?
 
2013-10-05 03:07:27 PM

cman: Sure, eating raw foods are good for you, if you discount evolution that is.

Humanity evolved into eating beyond raw flesh and animal dung.

Why did we evolve? Because eating a variety of more food ended up being better for us in the long term


I think people underestimate how quickly a population's genome can shift. When there is a considerable selection pressure - such as, I don't know, BEING ABLE TO LIVE ON THE PRODUCTS OF A STEADY FOOD SUPPLY - the frequency of an allele can shift from 95% to 5% in just a few generations.

As a result, anyone who can't survive on agricultural products died thousands of years ago. Those who can survive but don't thrive, well, they're being weeded out.
 
2013-10-05 03:07:35 PM
Wait, so we don't have written records from prehistoric times?
 
2013-10-05 03:08:07 PM

shiate: Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.

i assume this is because it makes you feel full?  what form do you take?  just metamucil or whatever?


I take a couple handfuls of sawdust.  Let me tell you, I shiat like a cannon.  I've had to replace two toilet bowls.
 
2013-10-05 03:08:30 PM
Paleo is a a period that also covers a time a bit more recent than 100,000 years.
 
2013-10-05 03:08:57 PM
I have come to the conclusion, after years of meticulous research; that very few people, if any, have any idea what they are doing. 99% of the time, "fact" is really supposition; based on arbitrary observations.
 
2013-10-05 03:09:04 PM

Dwight_Yeast: I think it makes more sense to look at what our closest relatives, chimpanzees, eat: lots of fruits, vegetables, and roughage, some insects for protein and the occasional small furry animal.


You should read up on what Bonobos eat

/probably NSFW
 
2013-10-05 03:09:32 PM
The Earth is only 5,000 years old so I KNOW this is a sham.
 
2013-10-05 03:09:49 PM
Of course it's a sham.  The universe is only 6,000 years old.
 
2013-10-05 03:09:50 PM
Fire has been in use for much longer than 100,000 years.  And we started cooking stuff way before that.

Quite a bit is known about the paleolithic diet (the real one) through analysis of carbon isotopes in teeth, and through coprolite studies.  It varied according to local environment, of course.

At 100,000 years ago, people outside of Africa were destined to experience major in-migration in the big Paleolithic Migration of about 50,000-60,000 years ago.  People in that group liked a lot of seafood and shellfish, but in the Levant and elsewhere, also relied heavily on herd animals.  The fish and shellfish may have been eaten raw.  At 10,000 years ago, coastal dwellers often have a heavily marine-oriented diet (can be as high as 90% fish and shellfish, with very little plant life - and plant life sometimes including seaweed).

Did they live a really long time?  Not as long as the average fat American does today (although there are some exceptions; one study of the NE Woodland Natives of about 1000 years ago - not Paleolithic, but Neolithic adaptation shows that they lived to be 75-80 fairly often).

Neanderthals obviously had a Paleolithic diet; average lifespan appears to be 45-55;  pre-contact Hawaiians (Neolithic not Paleolithic, but closer to the old diet than we are today) lived to be about the same.  When Cook & Co. "discovered" the Hawaiians, they were amazed at how "youthful" they all looked - that's because the older ones were mostly dead.

If someone is trying to get you to eat seeds and raw meat, they're really urging you to a Lower Paleolithic diet, and I'm not impressed at all by the life expectancy data from that time period.
 
2013-10-05 03:10:00 PM

Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.


A salad before dinner? GTFO! That's just crazy talk.
 
2013-10-05 03:10:24 PM

cygnusx13: The Earth is only 5,000 years old so I KNOW this is a sham.


heretic
 
2013-10-05 03:10:39 PM

Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.


Eating that diet helps you? Fantastic. Great. It helps you. Meanwhile, someone else could attempt living on that diet and die a horrible and painful death. Don't advocate diets--ever. The simple truth is that what makes you better and stronger could kill someone, no matter your better health.

Also: veg isn't expensive. Would you like to know what is expensive? Processed, packaged foods. Eating at restaurants is also expensive. A Mercedes is expensive. Veg and fresh meat is cheap.
 
2013-10-05 03:11:15 PM

Dwight_Yeast: I think it makes more sense to look at what our closest relatives, chimpanzees, eat: lots of fruits, vegetables, and roughage, some insects for protein and the occasional small furry animal.


And their life expectancy, in the wild, is a whopping 35-40.  Great choice of an animal to emulate.  We diverged genetically from chimpanzees 7-8 million years ago.

At least look at the Lucy diet or something (about which a great deal is known).  Unfortunately, the lack of fat and protein in both the chimp and the Lucy diet inhibit the functioning of our much larger brains.

Do people really not know that we need quite a bit more protein than a chimp...or Lucy....or Homo habilis?
 
2013-10-05 03:11:21 PM
A friend of mine does the paleo diet.  I know the real reason she does it is because she is obsessed with her weight and grains tend to have a lot of empty calories.  But she won't admit that.  She says she does the paleo thing because it's more 'natural' than our current diet.

No, we're omnivores. Our natural diet is to eat anything we get our grubby little paws on.

Fad diet status notwithstanding, paleo is a pretty healthy way to eat.
 
2013-10-05 03:11:27 PM

Iron Felix: Talk to someone on a paleo or ketogenic diet - ask them how their life has chaged before and after.  Try it yourself for 6 months.  All that matters right?


OMG YES! After all there's been NO HARMFUL PRACTICES in the history of mankind that have been done by groups as a fad. Why, and when they're endorsed by medical people as well...there ya go!

www.healio.com

I mean if you google harmful fads, nothing will come up I'm sure. Anecdotal evidence is best, and a diet based on bullshiat is awesome and makes SO much sense to the lay person it has to be good.

I bet some of you get your chakras aligned and feng shui the shiat out of your house too.
 
2013-10-05 03:11:42 PM
French fries aren't from France.

Sorry to break it to you all. It's a sham.
 
2013-10-05 03:12:35 PM
My favorite paleo quote is from Wendler:

"Oh yeah, I'm paleo. I eat paleo. But see, I eat what cavemen would eat if they were alive today. Pizza, cheeseburgers, Doritos, that kinda shiat."
 
2013-10-05 03:13:20 PM
Sorry. This guy is basing his views on opinion, not fact.

Researched the Paleo diet intensely last year. The science and empirical data are there to back up the truth of eating paleo. I'll trust credited anthropologists before I believe some random dude with a blog.

Also, aside from researching the facts, I implemented the paleo diet in my own life. Have lost 45 pounds since last November. My energy is up. My mental outlook is more positive. Am spending less money by not buying food that isn't needed.

Paleo diet isn't just eating red meat off a bone. It emphasizes vegetables, fruit and meats that aren't pumped full of antibiotics.

If you believe what this guy writes, do me a favor....go step on your scale and take a look at your medical bills.

Paleo diet isn't a "fad." Its the healthiest way to eat.

Our bodies evolved as diesel engines, but then someone said,"Hey....let's use regular unleaded." Grains and dairy don't make sense. There's enough vitamins and calcium in vegetables.

I'll take empirical data and credentials over a random blogger's opinion.
 
2013-10-05 03:14:12 PM

RangerTaylor: I take a couple handfuls of sawdust. Let me tell you, I shiat like a cannon. I've had to replace two toilet bowls.


Congratulations, you have given me my first good laugh in several days. And it felt good.
 
2013-10-05 03:15:08 PM

maram500: Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.

Eating that diet helps you? Fantastic. Great. It helps you. Meanwhile, someone else could attempt living on that diet and die a horrible and painful death. Don't advocate diets--ever. The simple truth is that what makes you better and stronger could kill someone, no matter your better health.

Also: veg isn't expensive. Would you like to know what is expensive? Processed, packaged foods. Eating at restaurants is also expensive. A Mercedes is expensive. Veg and fresh meat is cheap.


I was thinking the same thing.  If you buy large hunks of meat then spread it out over a few days...then go meatless for awhile (as your ancestors did), while supplementing your diet constantly with vegetables - largely tubers, jicama or turnips would be reasonable substitutes, heck a carrot would work out well here...you'd be on a "Paleolithic" diet.  Of course, it would be closer to the Neolithic diet of Old Europe (because...carrots...turnips).

Jicama is closer to an undomesticated tuber.  Or try poi (root crop, quasi-domesticate).  Lots of mushrooms.  Pots for cooking mushrooms go back at least 17,000BP in Europe.  Griddle-like cooking implements are much older.  Evidence of mashed root "pancakes" is at least 28,000 years old.  People were living to be 70 in Europe during that period (and often getting really fat, apparently).

Almost anyone would benefit from eating less fried foods, less restaurant food, and eating more vegetables.  You don't have to be a chimp to benefit from vegetables, we just don't have the genetic propensity to go seek them out so strongly, as they were always available.  Vegetables = easy prey.
 
2013-10-05 03:15:38 PM

maram500: Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.

Eating that diet helps you? Fantastic. Great. It helps you. Meanwhile, someone else could attempt living on that diet and die a horrible and painful death. Don't advocate diets--ever. The simple truth is that what makes you better and stronger could kill someone, no matter your better health.

Also: veg isn't expensive. Would you like to know what is expensive? Processed, packaged foods. Eating at restaurants is also expensive. A Mercedes is expensive. Veg and fresh meat is cheap.


Calorie for calorie, "Veg" and fresh meat are far more expensive than Mac n Cheese, stovetop stuffing, pasta, and other prepackaged processed meals. Fresh vegetables and lean meats are the most expensive food items available in terms of their caloric value.
 
2013-10-05 03:16:20 PM
Well, we could try eating like Norse instead.
 
2013-10-05 03:16:34 PM
There is nothing magical about paleo diet. You want to lose weight? Limit sugars and watch your calories. Eat whatever the fark you want, as long as you get the right amount of carbs, protein and fats.

You can get fat on a paleo diet if you eat enough. I know a lot of fat ass paleo people. But limiting out carbohydrates eliminates a lot of calories, which is why it generally works to lose weight. You limit 1/3 (assuming equal ratio) of your calories, you will lose weight.
 
2013-10-05 03:17:04 PM

Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels. While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.


I prefer my placebo effect in alcohol form.
 
2013-10-05 03:17:25 PM

vierlights: Sorry. This guy is basing his views on opinion, not fact.

Researched the Paleo diet intensely last year. The science and empirical data are there to back up the truth of eating paleo. I'll trust credited anthropologists before I believe some random dude with a blog.

Also, aside from researching the facts, I implemented the paleo diet in my own life. Have lost 45 pounds since last November. My energy is up. My mental outlook is more positive. Am spending less money by not buying food that isn't needed.

Paleo diet isn't just eating red meat off a bone. It emphasizes vegetables, fruit and meats that aren't pumped full of antibiotics.

If you believe what this guy writes, do me a favor....go step on your scale and take a look at your medical bills.

Paleo diet isn't a "fad." Its the healthiest way to eat.

Our bodies evolved as diesel engines, but then someone said,"Hey....let's use regular unleaded." Grains and dairy don't make sense. There's enough vitamins and calcium in vegetables.

I'll take empirical data and credentials over a random blogger's opinion.


Oh shiat, look out, this guy did internet research on a fad diet, I think he knows what he's talking about.
 
2013-10-05 03:17:27 PM
I want to start a diet called the 'Don't Eat All the Cupcakes, Fatty' diet.
 
2013-10-05 03:17:29 PM
Oh, here we farking go...the paleo crowd is good for sport. And so righteous. Grabs popcorn caveman-approved-snack.

We also don't have the same digestive enzymes, immune systems and etc. as ancient humans, due to ... you know ... millions of years of evolution. So if there was any way we could eat a "real" paleo diet, there's a decent chance we'd get pretty sick from it.

/Let's eat what they ate back when the average life expectancy was 38 years!!
 
2013-10-05 03:17:31 PM

cyberspacedout: Wait, so we don't have written records from prehistoric times?


Cave newspapers. In the south of France, I think.
 
2013-10-05 03:17:32 PM
This is one of those "well duh" things. Want to know what people ate 1000,2000, 10,000 years ago? Anything nutritious and edible that they could lay their hands on. Less likely chicken breast in a balsamic dressing and more likely seagull eggs, tubers and berries or some other random, locally available mixture of seasonal foods which means the difference between life and death.
 
2013-10-05 03:17:38 PM

maram500: Somacandra: Its not a scam if it's helping a diabetic lower blood sugar, helping your asthma and gout at the same time, while moderating your energy levels.  While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, its a pretty good fit for me. The worst part is that eating meat and fresh veggies all the time is farking expensive. Whatever you do, the best dietary advice I've ever gotten was to take 10g of fiber about 20 min. before. eating.

Eating that diet helps you? Fantastic. Great. It helps you. Meanwhile, someone else could attempt living on that diet and die a horrible and painful death. Don't advocate diets--ever. The simple truth is that what makes you better and stronger could kill someone, no matter your better health.

Also: veg isn't expensive. Would you like to know what is expensive? Processed, packaged foods. Eating at restaurants is also expensive. A Mercedes is expensive. Veg and fresh meat is cheap.


Think you missed something before your post.
 
2013-10-05 03:19:33 PM
This sounds pretty good to go back to those times.  There are a few people I would like to see have a good chance not to make it to 40 years old.
 
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