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(BBC)   School punishes student for violating head shave policy. By the way, he got his head shaved as part of a fundraiser for cancer research   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 85
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2013-10-05 05:02:29 PM

huchipapa: Pointless rules are pointless.

Unless they have a point.  Which you didn't bother to find out.

I like how the kid and mom knew ahead of tme that there would be consequences.  But still did it.

STICKING IT TO THE MAN.  Except that permanent record thing.


So ? They knew ahead of time, but since he had already collected money from his sponsors he went ahead and held up his end of the bargain.  He took part in a recognized fund raiser in favour of people with cancer. According to TFA, he has at least three relatives who are directly concerned by this. There isn't much a teenager can do about that, but helping to fund research is one thing that we can all do.  Shaving your head for sponsorship money is a recognized way to collect funds, he was even quite successful at it. Where I live, every year lots of people from all walks of life, including politicians and school officials, do it. As I said, it is an officially recognized method that requires that you register, fill out forms and go out and find sponsors.  In other words, it wasn't a high school prank for the sake of sticking it to the man.
 
2013-10-05 05:02:55 PM
Problem is that so many schools are very rigid in enforcing policies, otherwise, the boy and his mother could have applied for a wavier based upon the good he was doing.  The school could then have approved the wavier and all would have been good.  The school hierarchy would have been able to continue to assert the control they so desperately seek to maintain yet not come off looking like idiots by showing some understanding.  Instead they chose the route to asshatdom.
 
2013-10-05 05:11:07 PM

iheartscotch: Mega Steve: But he ended up being taught in isolation at Milford Haven School after it said he broke its haircut rules.

WTF? Is that detention or does he have to maths in a little metal box?

He got a night in the box.

/ sometimes, nothing is a pretty cool hand

// makin' a movie reference, boss.


better shake that bush.
 
2013-10-05 05:12:45 PM

nyrB: Because, of course, the only way this boy could could contribute to the cause that's so important to him was by getting his hair shaved off.  It's unfortunate he had absolutely no other alternatives.  It's not like the school told him what would happen or anything.


Who gives a shiat!  It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!  It's stunning that they even noticed his hair, what with having their heads so far up their own asses.
 
2013-10-05 05:29:48 PM
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2013-10-05 05:43:37 PM

vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!


yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.
 
2013-10-05 05:59:18 PM

nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.


Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.
 
2013-10-05 06:24:15 PM
vrax:

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.  You are a (self entitled, insufferable, bratty) student who, as a minor, does not enjoy the rights and privileges that are conveyed alongside the responsibilities of adulthood."

I think that's a fairly good reason right there.
 
2013-10-05 06:25:28 PM
Kid;

1) Good on you.  Act first, ask forgiveness later.
2) Cheerfully accept the consequences.  You knew they were coming.
3) You have good pics for the grandkids.
 
2013-10-05 06:32:17 PM
For the record, kudos to the kid, and those who stood with him.  Another Government Employee hit the nail on the head.

 My comment was for children who believe they deserve an explanation for every rule they think of as "stupid" because they are under the mistaken impression that their opinion holds value simply because they thought it.
 
2013-10-05 06:41:46 PM
Soooo...if the kid actually had cancer himself and therefore lost his hair due to treatment...would they still punish him?
 
2013-10-05 06:56:42 PM

Mozi: vrax:

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.  You are a (self entitled, insufferable, bratty) student who, as a minor, does not enjoy the rights and privileges that are conveyed alongside the responsibilities of adulthood."

I think that's a fairly good reason right there.


It's the reasoning of an asshole.
 
2013-10-05 07:14:46 PM

Target Builder: Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?

Unfortunately, shaved heads in the UK are heavily associated with far right racist extremism in the UK.


So if some people who look a certain way and do bad things, it's ok to be intolerant of people who look that way..  This sounds familiar.
 
2013-10-05 08:07:18 PM

Keyserroll: Soooo...if the kid actually had cancer himself and therefore lost his hair due to treatment...would they still punish him?


Of course.

This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
 
2013-10-05 09:10:16 PM
Could of been a fake bald head with a bomb under it or a gun.
Good job!
 
2013-10-05 09:25:53 PM
As stupid as the school heads are being. Would it have killed the kid to ask first?
 
2013-10-05 10:08:40 PM

vrax: nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.


The reason's already been given in this thread.  As someone from America, it may seem "idiotic" to you, but in Britain shaved heads have a very specific and negative connotation.  It's the same reason gang colors are sometimes banned in schools in the United States.
 
2013-10-05 10:13:09 PM
You can always tell a Milford man.
 
2013-10-05 10:13:58 PM

Target Builder: Cornelius Dribble: Target Builder: Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?

Unfortunately, shaved heads in the UK are heavily associated with far right racist extremism in the UK.

I fail to see what raising money for cancer research has to do with far right extremism. Once again, this is a case of school administrators ignoring logical reasoning and persuasive argument, the supposed ideals of a liberal education, and mindlessly asserting sheer power.

The problem for the school is that if people see skinheads at their school nobody is going to assume its because they were raising money for cancer research. There were probably several better ways to work through this but the school probably aren't just being mindless jackasses.


This and that.

When they found out the reason though, they could have forced him to wear some type of hat or something less punishing.  Contacted the media, handed out fliers, "Teen raises money for cancer for shaving his head." and note how they allowed it under extenuating circumstances.

Decent rule for a school in an area where the behavior can be commonplace, but about as poorly handled as possible.
 
2013-10-05 11:48:42 PM

Mozi: vrax:

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.  You are a (self entitled, insufferable, bratty) student who, as a minor, does not enjoy the rights and privileges that are conveyed alongside the responsibilities of adulthood."

I think that's a fairly good reason right there.


Right.  A bald man in charge who doesn't want to be mocked.

/nailed it on the first try.
 
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2013-10-05 11:49:25 PM
Mozi : How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.

Wow, you don't deal with kids much, do you?

Hell, have you ever even met another human? Reasoning like that pretty much guarantees deliberate noncompliance. Kudos for "sticking it to the brats" - I hope you have a loooot of prison cells to hold them all.
 
2013-10-05 11:52:59 PM

farkmedown: skullkrusher: my school had a similar policy. You never heard about it because kids and parents read the handbook and said, ok, I'll not do that then. Hell, our dean had scissors in his desk and if your hair was over the collar of your shirt he'd cut it for you whether you liked it or not.

That's assault. Did anyone deck him for it?


no. Back then parents actually gave a shiat about their kids. We actually had the same last names as our dads too. Weird.
Kids didn't have the balls to hit their teachers because, ya know, we weren't a bunch of animals destined for trailer park life and government assistance
 
2013-10-06 01:21:33 AM

nyrB: vrax: nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

The reason's already been given in this thread.  As someone from America, it may seem "idiotic" to you, but in Britain shaved heads have a very specific and negative connotation.  It's the same reason gang colors are sometimes banned in schools in the United States.


No, I'm well aware of skinhead culture and it's still completely idiotic to ban shaved heads.  It's an absurd authoritarian reaction to try and control something they will never, ever have control over.  And when another unacceptable group is established that wears their hair medium cut and well styled, then what?!  Everyone longhair?   Oh, fark, that's too hippie!  How about no heads?  That good?!  Same with the color ban.  Yeah, no blue or red anything.  Oh, shiat, the 18th St. crew's colors are yellow and brown .  OK, no yellow or brown.  Fark, West 98th's colors are green and orange.  No green or orange.  Fark it, everyone come to school naked!  What?  There's a new gang that runs naked?!  Gah!
 
2013-10-06 01:47:28 AM

nyrB: Because, of course, the only way this boy could could contribute to the cause that's so important to him was by getting his hair shaved off.  It's unfortunate he had absolutely no other alternatives.  It's not like the school told him what would happen or anything.


You seem unaware that shaving your head is an official, recognized way of collecting sponsorship money towards cancer research. Additionally, people who undergo chemotherapy often lose their hair; shaving your head is both a sign of support and a means of collecting human hair from which wigs can be made for those patients who wish not to show their bald head.

Famous people do it, politicians do it, regular people do it, even former presidents do it.

http://www.tetesrasees.com/en
http://www.shaveforthebrave.ca/
http://news.sky.com/story/1120087/george-hw-bush-shaves-head-for-can ce r-boy
 
2013-10-06 03:58:47 AM

capt.hollister: nyrB: Because, of course, the only way this boy could could contribute to the cause that's so important to him was by getting his hair shaved off.  It's unfortunate he had absolutely no other alternatives.  It's not like the school told him what would happen or anything.

You seem unaware that shaving your head is an official, recognized way of collecting sponsorship money towards cancer research. Additionally, people who undergo chemotherapy often lose their hair; shaving your head is both a sign of support and a means of collecting human hair from which wigs can be made for those patients who wish not to show their bald head.

Famous people do it, politicians do it, regular people do it, even former presidents do it.

http://www.tetesrasees.com/en
http://www.shaveforthebrave.ca/
http://news.sky.com/story/1120087/george-hw-bush-shaves-head-for-can ce r-boy


I'm well aware it's a recognized way of collecting sponsorship money.  Surely you're aware that it's not the only way of doing so.  Apparently this boy was not.
 
2013-10-06 06:17:25 AM

vrax: nyrB: vrax: nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

The reason's already been given in this thread.  As someone from America, it may seem "idiotic" to you, but in Britain shaved heads have a very specific and negative connotation.  It's the same reason gang colors are sometimes banned in schools in the United States.

No, I'm well aware of skinhead culture and it's still completely idiotic to ban shaved heads.  It's an absurd authoritarian reaction to try and control something they will never, ever have control over.  And when another unacceptable group is established that wears their hair medium cut and well styled, then what?!  Everyone longhair?   Oh, fark, that's too hippie!  How about no heads?  That good?!  Same with the color ban.  Yeah, no blue or red anything.  Oh, shiat, the 18th St. crew's colors are yellow and brown .  OK, no yellow or brown.  Fark, West 98th's colors are green and orange.  No green or orange.  Fark it, everyone come to school naked!  What?  There's a new gang that runs naked?!  Gah!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Of course, that's about all you're capable of doing, being absurd.

Banning the haircut is a means of ostracizing and is not a universal treatment to unacceptable people the world over, but ostracism in general is pretty much the norm when dealing with taboo's on uncivilized behavior.  Just like you being a schmuck and people giving you a hard time for it.

The "yellow vs brown" thing never happened.  Bloods vs Crips was no street gang except in it's inception, it was a bit bigger than you're trying to make it sound.  What a great reasoning tactic, make violent criminals out to be small non-problematic gatherings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crips

Ended up being more along the lines of organized crime like the mob than a few street thugs mugging grannies.

It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.  But whatever, continue to empathize and be apologetic for them. Downplay their existence, their impact, even deny their existence if you want.  You aren't the first tool to do so.
 
2013-10-06 09:39:51 AM

omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.


Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.
 
2013-10-06 09:58:54 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.

Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.


I'm guessing you didn't grow up on or near a council estate in the UK.
 
2013-10-06 10:15:26 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.

Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.


Globally, yes.  Regionally, no, depending on where you are at.

http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/njs/neonazi.asp

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/ sk ins-united-kingdom.html

If you want to be so liberal and tolerant as to deny the existence and problems such groups can cause, that's on your shoulders.

It's not even like I have a thing against shaved heads.  Hell, I have a shaved head.  Then again, I'm not in a region where the neo-nazism is a problem, where it's actually a symbol for hate and intolerance.  Where I live, it's not part of a uniform, it's something many balding guys and working schlubs do.


Not so different from disallowing a swastika on a T-shirt, or the confederate flag in the US where there is racial tension, or a flaming cross(or upside down one, flaming or not).

It is not a threat to free will and self expression, it's a societal standard, often localized, which aids in stemming off violence.  Relax, you can still be a skinhead on the inside, no one is playing thought police, so you're safe.  People just don't want you to emulate it in an obvious way that can cause conflict/tension/disturbances.

Same way that you are not allowed to be naked around kids, especially at schools.  You may have the purest intent of being natural, but to most people it would be offensive and creepy if not a sign of actual intent.  So please, dress appropriately.
 
2013-10-06 10:43:52 AM
First Holocaust and now this..
 
2013-10-06 02:45:10 PM

Target Builder: BraveNewCheneyWorld: omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.

Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.

I'm guessing you didn't grow up on or near a council estate in the UK.


Thanks, you just proved my point.

omeganuepsilon: Globally, yes.  Regionally, no, depending on where you are at.

http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/njs/neonazi.asp

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/ sk ins-united-kingdom.html


From your link -"Skinheads have demonstrated their willingness to attack or even kill for their cause: they are responsible for as many as 45 murders of racial minorities, homosexuals and even other skinheads." I'm willing to bet more people die falling down stairs in the same area.  Honestly, you're just a fearmonger.  These people mostly have their little hate meetings and do almost nothing, if people like you didn't act like they were a legitimate problem, they'd disappear.  They actually get off on the fact that you're fearful.

omeganuepsilon: Same way that you are not allowed to be naked around kids, especially at schools.  You may have the purest intent of being natural, but to most people it would be offensive and creepy if not a sign of actual intent.  So please, dress appropriately.


If you think someone who thinks they look good bald, is even remotely in the same category as someone who wants to be around children naked, then you have some serious farking problems.  It's pretty much the derpiest thing you could have said.
 
2013-10-06 05:23:51 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If you think someone who thinks they look good bald, is even remotely in the same category as someone who wants to be around children naked, then you have some serious farking problems.


I didn't say or even imply such a thing.  I'm saying it's a good idea to not dress like X in an area where X is often involved in violence.  Nightclubs that ban baggy clothes, bars that ban service members(either because military boys are regionally hated or because military boys are renown for starting fights, works both ways with this one), schools that ban etc etc.

I do think you have some serious cognitive dissonance issues.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: if people like you didn't act like they were a legitimate problem, they'd disappear.


Because all racists and bigots just go away when people ignore them.  In fact, all societal problems go away if you ignore them.

All gay/bi/lesbian/trans people, as well as those persecuted for their color or beliefs(or lack thereof) will be glad to hear of this new technique in dealing with irrational haters.

If ignoring assholes made them vanish, I wouldn't hesitate to ignore you, but it doesn't work that way.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: They actually get off on the fact that you're fearful.


More of the same, typical fark, someone creating the argument that they want to argue against rather than what is actually present, AND slanting it into an insult of cowardice.

I am not fearful of them.  I would rather society don't encourage them though, downplay their bad side.

That is why you sound like a sociopath. Passive permissive of hatred and violence.

Keeping up awareness of why it's bad for people to be hateful racists, or bigots of any flavor, and making it an unattractive stance is a fairly rational to most people.  Thanks for outing yourself though.  You're a shoo-in for whichever hate group you're aspiring to if you haven't already been granted membership.  Which is it, Westboro Baptists, Hitler Fan Club?  I figure it has to be something of that sort, because they both hate multiple groups and types of people.  Dirty libruls, gays, coloreds, etc.  You get variety, more for your commitment.

Mostly I think so because you're working so hard to get me to lay off of them.  You've got to have some sort of stake in it, otherwise you would just ignore me so that I disappear as well, poof, like magic.  As if...thanks for wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve for us all know you by.
 
2013-10-06 07:03:57 PM
FTA: "Rhys and a friend, 14, had their heads shaved as part of the annual UK-wide Macmillan Coffee Morning on Saturday and raised about £700. "

I didn't know what that funny looking  'L' was, so I Googled it... Day-um, those two kids had 700 pounds of hair?!?!?!?!? How'd they walk around with that much hair.?? Wouldn't that have been uncomfortable?? Seems like shaving 350+ pounds of hair would've been almost a medical necessity.

/ Couple of hippies. - serves 'em right
 
2013-10-06 07:43:17 PM

omeganuepsilon: Mostly I think so because you're working so hard to get me to lay off of them. You've got to have some sort of stake in it, otherwise you would just ignore me so that I disappear as well, poof, like magic. As if...thanks for wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve for us all know you by.


Maybe he gets off on the fact you're fearful of him.
 
2013-10-06 07:46:14 PM

nyrB: omeganuepsilon: Mostly I think so because you're working so hard to get me to lay off of them. You've got to have some sort of stake in it, otherwise you would just ignore me so that I disappear as well, poof, like magic. As if...thanks for wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve for us all know you by.

Maybe he gets off on the fact you're fearful of him.


Ah, delusions of grandeur.  Makes sense.
 
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