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(BBC)   School punishes student for violating head shave policy. By the way, he got his head shaved as part of a fundraiser for cancer research   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 85
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2013-10-05 01:01:10 PM
the real and pressing question that needs to be asked is "was it shaved by a jum-bo jet?"
 
2013-10-05 01:57:55 PM
What is the problem with having your head shaved?
 
2013-10-05 01:58:42 PM
A no shaved head policy is a pretty odd rule from the start....
 
2013-10-05 02:01:23 PM
Hmm... I wonder if I can "shoplift or cancer"....
 
2013-10-05 02:02:23 PM
"So he said 'I've got to do this mam'"

Nothing good come come of this...

i1309.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-05 02:02:42 PM
Eat shiat, alopecia. Move along, leukemia. This is 'merica and we don't tolerate none of them nazi haircuts! FREEEEEEDUMB!
 
2013-10-05 02:03:01 PM
But, but, skinheads!

/been shaving my head for two years.
//shiny scalp
 
2013-10-05 02:03:23 PM

Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?


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NAZIS
 
2013-10-05 02:05:39 PM
"Protest over Milford Haven School charity head shave boy"

Christ, what moron wrote that headline?
 
2013-10-05 02:05:55 PM
♪I'll kick you out of my class if you cut that hair♪
 
2013-10-05 02:06:03 PM
When I was in school, the problem was always guys whose hair was too long. That was an easy solution: get it cut short or face the consequences. (It's a stupid rule, but at least there was something to do about it.) My school had no problem with guys who shaved their heads because it meant their hair wasn't too long.

What the hell is this kid supposed to do? Cut his hair longer? Wear a wig until his hair grows out? This rule is one of the most idiotic dress code rules I have ever heard of.
 
2013-10-05 02:06:48 PM
But he ended up being taught in isolation at Milford Haven School after it said he broke its haircut rules.

WTF? Is that detention or does he have to maths in a little metal box?
 
2013-10-05 02:07:40 PM

jaylabs: Eat shiat, alopecia. Move along, leukemia. This is 'merica and we don't tolerate none of them nazi haircuts! FREEEEEEDUMB!


This was in Wales you Moran.
 
2013-10-05 02:12:36 PM

Mega Steve: WTF? Is that detention or does he have to maths in a little metal box?


You get stuck in a small cubicle and are not allowed to talk to anyone.  Not quite a little box, but it's close.
 
2013-10-05 02:16:48 PM

ThisIsntMe: jaylabs: Eat shiat, alopecia. Move along, leukemia. This is 'merica and we don't tolerate none of them nazi haircuts! FREEEEEEDUMB!

This was in Wales you Moran.


'merica

/they see me trollin'
//they hatin'
 
2013-10-05 02:18:50 PM

jaylabs: ThisIsntMe: jaylabs: Eat shiat, alopecia. Move along, leukemia. This is 'merica and we don't tolerate none of them nazi haircuts! FREEEEEEDUMB!

This was in Wales you Moran.

'merica

/they see me trollin'
//they hatin'

 
2013-10-05 02:20:31 PM
So, attend a school that has a shaved head ban, hear about a cancer fundraiser where you shave your head, shave said head, get in trouble at school, get publicity for cancer fundraiser.


Sounds like the attention whore's plan worked thoroughly.
 
2013-10-05 02:20:38 PM
Ah yes, the zero tolerance, left.
 
2013-10-05 02:21:33 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Hmm... I wonder if I can "shoplift or cancer"....


Are you seriously equating shaving hair for charity with committing a crime ? Surely you troll...

Pointless rules are pointless, but what is truly idiotic is their blind, unquestioning application. This is especially true when no one actually benefits from their application.

/shaved my head for leukaemia 5 years ago when my nephew was diagnosed with the disease.
//It's still shaved
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2013-10-05 02:23:00 PM
 
2013-10-05 02:24:53 PM

Alphakronik: So, attend a school that has a shaved head ban, hear about a cancer fundraiser where you shave your head, shave said head, get in trouble at school, get publicity for cancer fundraiser.


Sounds like the attention whore's plan worked thoroughly.


What about the multiple relatives with cancer? Write elaborate backup story that includes them?
 
2013-10-05 02:30:55 PM

Mega Steve: But he ended up being taught in isolation at Milford Haven School after it said he broke its haircut rules.

WTF? Is that detention or does he have to maths in a little metal box?


He got a night in the box.

/ sometimes, nothing is a pretty cool hand

// makin' a movie reference, boss.
 
2013-10-05 02:34:32 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Alphakronik: So, attend a school that has a shaved head ban, hear about a cancer fundraiser where you shave your head, shave said head, get in trouble at school, get publicity for cancer fundraiser.


Sounds like the attention whore's plan worked thoroughly.

What about the multiple relatives with cancer? Write elaborate backup story that includes them?


I never get the people who think this shiat is planned down to the details like that. Do you think anyone has actually read through that dress code that is involved in this story? I doubt they have "No Shaved Heads OR ELSE!" signs in the hallway.
 
2013-10-05 02:34:47 PM
my school had a similar policy. You never heard about it because kids and parents read the handbook and said, ok, I'll not do that then. Hell, our dean had scissors in his desk and if your hair was over the collar of your shirt he'd cut it for you whether you liked it or not.
 
2013-10-05 02:42:07 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: jaylabs: ThisIsntMe: jaylabs: Eat shiat, alopecia. Move along, leukemia. This is 'merica and we don't tolerate none of them nazi haircuts! FREEEEEEDUMB!

This was in Wales you Moran.

'merica

/they see me trollin'
//they hatin'


weknowmemes.com
 
2013-10-05 02:43:20 PM
He may have gotten punished, but at least he can do it knowing that he did a good thing that's going to help someone. He should be proud.

I wonder what the dick who wrote this policy has to be proud of?
 
2013-10-05 02:43:54 PM

Alphakronik: So, attend a school that has a shaved head ban, hear about a cancer fundraiser where you shave your head, shave said head, get in trouble at school, get publicity for cancer fundraiser.


Sounds like the attention whore's plan worked thoroughly.


I guess you're not wrong...but it's a stupid policy nonetheless...
 
2013-10-05 02:46:05 PM
Pointless rules are pointless.

Unless they have a point.  Which you didn't bother to find out.

I like how the kid and mom knew ahead of tme that there would be consequences.  But still did it.

STICKING IT TO THE MAN.  Except that permanent record thing.
 
2013-10-05 02:46:23 PM
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fc03.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-05 02:46:53 PM

Old enough to know better: He may have gotten punished, but at least he can do it knowing that he did a good thing that's going to help someone. He should be proud.

I wonder what the dick who wrote this policy has to be proud of?


He's the dick who gets to write policies, what are you talking about?
 
2013-10-05 02:59:04 PM
"At Milford Haven School we believe it is important to maintain high standards in every aspect of school life, including uniform and appearance."

God, the stupid shiat people say after they get caught. The REASON for the damn rule got lost up some administrator's asshole - preventing neo-Nazi problems before they start. Good for them, too bad they weren't there in 1919, etc. But this was planned, public, and very, VERY not antisocial far-right thuggery. The intended result (no disruption of school) failed to materialize. The policy, as applied, has failed utterly.

THE ONLY REASON THEY PUNISHED HIM IS THIS: THEY TOLD HIM NOT TO AND HE DID IT ANYWAY.

This is so not about disrupting school, so not about hair, so not about jackboots and the BNP*, so not about policy. All about butthurt grown-ups pissed off at a kid with a functioning sense of value and proportion. So I guess there's a lesson for the kid in this after all - do not give power to the spineless.

Also, no matter how much good you do in the world, some Alphakronic asshole will try to crap on you for it.


* British Nazi Party
 
2013-10-05 03:06:07 PM

Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?


Unfortunately, shaved heads in the UK are heavily associated with far right racist extremism in the UK.
 
2013-10-05 03:06:58 PM
This doesn't relate to the article, but I just feel the need to share.


  At a bar a few nights ago, I was strongly attracted to a woman with a bald head - not closely cropped - but completely smooth.  I had seen a couple of closely cropped women before, but was never attracted to them.  However, something about this woman's completely smooth head, along with her mannerisms and bubbly attitude with the friend she was with, just really turned me on.  Alas, I've never felt comfortable approaching anyunknown people, so I just admired her from afar.  I think I may have missed an opportunity.

/ I did however, think about her while in my bunk that night.
 
2013-10-05 03:08:07 PM
Sorry, my hair is attached to me.  I'll do with it as I please, fark you very much!
 
2013-10-05 03:14:56 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Alphakronik: So, attend a school that has a shaved head ban, hear about a cancer fundraiser where you shave your head, shave said head, get in trouble at school, get publicity for cancer fundraiser.


Sounds like the attention whore's plan worked thoroughly.

What about the multiple relatives with cancer? Write elaborate backup story that includes them?


What I wrote already factors them in.  What better way to achieve publicity for your cause than to get into trouble on purpose, and then use pre-existing rules as your argument for your poor choice in actions?
 
2013-10-05 03:28:04 PM

Target Builder: Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?

Unfortunately, shaved heads in the UK are heavily associated with far right racist extremism in the UK.


I fail to see what raising money for cancer research has to do with far right extremism. Once again, this is a case of school administrators ignoring logical reasoning and persuasive argument, the supposed ideals of a liberal education, and mindlessly asserting sheer power.
 
2013-10-05 03:31:04 PM
after your kids get head lice you always wonder if the school should have every kid shave their heads.
 
2013-10-05 03:53:35 PM
One has to wonder if people in the UK run for their lives when US military members with their shaved heads visit...

//Outdated and irrational fears are stupid mkay.
 
2013-10-05 03:56:37 PM
Schools seem to have some kind of hair obsession. One day, its a girl who died her hair a different shade than her natural color (brunette to brown) and faced some sort of disciplinary action and now this young man shaved his head for a fundraiser.

Most school administrators (at all levels) are on some sick power trip.

"Its bad enough we make the kids think alike, do we have to make them look alike too?" - George Carlin (paraphrased)

Although I think the term 'think' is being left out of the education equation. I teach at a college and I am constantly amazed how some of these students are able to dress themselves in the morning.
 
2013-10-05 04:05:27 PM
Meatybrain:
Also, no matter how much good you do in the world, some asshole will try to crap on you for it.

Q.F.T.!
 
2013-10-05 04:14:16 PM

Cornelius Dribble: Target Builder: Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?

Unfortunately, shaved heads in the UK are heavily associated with far right racist extremism in the UK.

I fail to see what raising money for cancer research has to do with far right extremism. Once again, this is a case of school administrators ignoring logical reasoning and persuasive argument, the supposed ideals of a liberal education, and mindlessly asserting sheer power.


The problem for the school is that if people see skinheads at their school nobody is going to assume its because they were raising money for cancer research. There were probably several better ways to work through this but the school probably aren't just being mindless jackasses.
 
2013-10-05 04:17:02 PM
So when my little brother was in middle school a girl in the class had to undergo chemotherapy for leukemia had of course her hair fell out. The day before she was going to come back to school, all the boys in the class decided to shave their heads as one of those "welcome back and don't feel bad cause we're bald too" things.

A teacher tried to have them all suspended for gang activity.

Thankfully its a small enough town the the school board is part time and non-political. The president of the school board got wind, no one was suspended, and said teacher was looking for a new job shortly there after.
 
pla
2013-10-05 04:18:55 PM
huchipapa : Unless they have a point. Which you didn't bother to find out.

Having an superficially plausible excuse doesn't make them any less pointless. This kid clearly has no interest in Naziism, nor does the length of someone's hair make them more or less likely to admire Hitler. Thus, this rule has no point. It catches the innocent and misses the guilty - The TSA would admire such stupidity.


I like how the kid and mom knew ahead of tme that there would be consequences. But still did it.

Doing the right thing trumps following the rules Every. Farking. Time. Remember that.


STICKING IT TO THE MAN. Except that permanent record thing.

Know how I can tell you haven't gotten out of school yet?


/ Dear kids: No one gives the least damn about your non-academic "permanent (school) record".
// "Raised money for cancer research" looks great on a college app, however.
 
2013-10-05 04:19:45 PM

skullkrusher: my school had a similar policy. You never heard about it because kids and parents read the handbook and said, ok, I'll not do that then. Hell, our dean had scissors in his desk and if your hair was over the collar of your shirt he'd cut it for you whether you liked it or not.


That's assault. Did anyone deck him for it?
 
2013-10-05 04:21:17 PM
So, kid goes to school with Rule X.  Kid knows Rule X.  School tells kid and Parents about Rule X, and punishment Y if Rule is broken.  Kid DECIDES "I'm okay with the punishment", and does the crime.  School makes him serve the exact punishment they said they would.

Sounds to me as if everyone did exactly what they were supposed to do.  School warned about the rule, kid made his own decision to accept the punishment, school did exactly what they said they would do, kid took the punishment...  How they heck is this NEWS?  Everyone did everything exactly according to plan... and that's news now?
 
2013-10-05 04:27:59 PM
Schools to students:
Hair too long = You're in trouble
Hair too short = You're in trouble

Here's the f*cking scissors teacher. Why don't you just cut my hair whatever length won't get me in trouble.
 
2013-10-05 04:37:29 PM
.., new hotness: shave-shaming
 
pla
2013-10-05 04:44:44 PM
graeylin : School warned about the rule, kid made his own decision to accept the punishment, school did exactly what they said they would do, kid took the punishment... How they heck is this NEWS? Everyone did everything exactly according to plan... and that's news now?

The "news" here comes from the fact that we put up with zero tolerance enforcement of completely BS rules.

It does us good to hear about these things once in a while.  It reminds us that we really need to attend our local school board meetings, and occasionally remind the worthless farks in the big chairs that they work for us, not the other way around.
 
2013-10-05 04:45:58 PM

The water was cold: This doesn't relate to the article, but I just feel the need to share.


  At a bar a few nights ago, I was strongly attracted to a woman with a bald head - not closely cropped - but completely smooth.  I had seen a couple of closely cropped women before, but was never attracted to them.  However, something about this woman's completely smooth head, along with her mannerisms and bubbly attitude with the friend she was with, just really turned me on.  Alas, I've never felt comfortable approaching anyunknown people, so I just admired her from afar.  I think I may have missed an opportunity.

/ I did however, think about her while in my bunk that night.


Nah, you made the right call. She was from the future, and would likely terminate any potential threats with extreme prejudice.
 
2013-10-05 05:01:21 PM
Because, of course, the only way this boy could could contribute to the cause that's so important to him was by getting his hair shaved off.  It's unfortunate he had absolutely no other alternatives.  It's not like the school told him what would happen or anything.
 
2013-10-05 05:02:29 PM

huchipapa: Pointless rules are pointless.

Unless they have a point.  Which you didn't bother to find out.

I like how the kid and mom knew ahead of tme that there would be consequences.  But still did it.

STICKING IT TO THE MAN.  Except that permanent record thing.


So ? They knew ahead of time, but since he had already collected money from his sponsors he went ahead and held up his end of the bargain.  He took part in a recognized fund raiser in favour of people with cancer. According to TFA, he has at least three relatives who are directly concerned by this. There isn't much a teenager can do about that, but helping to fund research is one thing that we can all do.  Shaving your head for sponsorship money is a recognized way to collect funds, he was even quite successful at it. Where I live, every year lots of people from all walks of life, including politicians and school officials, do it. As I said, it is an officially recognized method that requires that you register, fill out forms and go out and find sponsors.  In other words, it wasn't a high school prank for the sake of sticking it to the man.
 
2013-10-05 05:02:55 PM
Problem is that so many schools are very rigid in enforcing policies, otherwise, the boy and his mother could have applied for a wavier based upon the good he was doing.  The school could then have approved the wavier and all would have been good.  The school hierarchy would have been able to continue to assert the control they so desperately seek to maintain yet not come off looking like idiots by showing some understanding.  Instead they chose the route to asshatdom.
 
2013-10-05 05:11:07 PM

iheartscotch: Mega Steve: But he ended up being taught in isolation at Milford Haven School after it said he broke its haircut rules.

WTF? Is that detention or does he have to maths in a little metal box?

He got a night in the box.

/ sometimes, nothing is a pretty cool hand

// makin' a movie reference, boss.


better shake that bush.
 
2013-10-05 05:12:45 PM

nyrB: Because, of course, the only way this boy could could contribute to the cause that's so important to him was by getting his hair shaved off.  It's unfortunate he had absolutely no other alternatives.  It's not like the school told him what would happen or anything.


Who gives a shiat!  It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!  It's stunning that they even noticed his hair, what with having their heads so far up their own asses.
 
2013-10-05 05:29:48 PM
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2013-10-05 05:43:37 PM

vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!


yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.
 
2013-10-05 05:59:18 PM

nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.


Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.
 
2013-10-05 06:24:15 PM
vrax:

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.  You are a (self entitled, insufferable, bratty) student who, as a minor, does not enjoy the rights and privileges that are conveyed alongside the responsibilities of adulthood."

I think that's a fairly good reason right there.
 
2013-10-05 06:25:28 PM
Kid;

1) Good on you.  Act first, ask forgiveness later.
2) Cheerfully accept the consequences.  You knew they were coming.
3) You have good pics for the grandkids.
 
2013-10-05 06:32:17 PM
For the record, kudos to the kid, and those who stood with him.  Another Government Employee hit the nail on the head.

 My comment was for children who believe they deserve an explanation for every rule they think of as "stupid" because they are under the mistaken impression that their opinion holds value simply because they thought it.
 
2013-10-05 06:41:46 PM
Soooo...if the kid actually had cancer himself and therefore lost his hair due to treatment...would they still punish him?
 
2013-10-05 06:56:42 PM

Mozi: vrax:

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.  You are a (self entitled, insufferable, bratty) student who, as a minor, does not enjoy the rights and privileges that are conveyed alongside the responsibilities of adulthood."

I think that's a fairly good reason right there.


It's the reasoning of an asshole.
 
2013-10-05 07:14:46 PM

Target Builder: Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?

Unfortunately, shaved heads in the UK are heavily associated with far right racist extremism in the UK.


So if some people who look a certain way and do bad things, it's ok to be intolerant of people who look that way..  This sounds familiar.
 
2013-10-05 08:07:18 PM

Keyserroll: Soooo...if the kid actually had cancer himself and therefore lost his hair due to treatment...would they still punish him?


Of course.

This is not 'Nam. There are rules.
 
2013-10-05 09:10:16 PM
Could of been a fake bald head with a bomb under it or a gun.
Good job!
 
2013-10-05 09:25:53 PM
As stupid as the school heads are being. Would it have killed the kid to ask first?
 
2013-10-05 10:08:40 PM

vrax: nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.


The reason's already been given in this thread.  As someone from America, it may seem "idiotic" to you, but in Britain shaved heads have a very specific and negative connotation.  It's the same reason gang colors are sometimes banned in schools in the United States.
 
2013-10-05 10:13:09 PM
You can always tell a Milford man.
 
2013-10-05 10:13:58 PM

Target Builder: Cornelius Dribble: Target Builder: Glitchwerks: What is the problem with having your head shaved?

Unfortunately, shaved heads in the UK are heavily associated with far right racist extremism in the UK.

I fail to see what raising money for cancer research has to do with far right extremism. Once again, this is a case of school administrators ignoring logical reasoning and persuasive argument, the supposed ideals of a liberal education, and mindlessly asserting sheer power.

The problem for the school is that if people see skinheads at their school nobody is going to assume its because they were raising money for cancer research. There were probably several better ways to work through this but the school probably aren't just being mindless jackasses.


This and that.

When they found out the reason though, they could have forced him to wear some type of hat or something less punishing.  Contacted the media, handed out fliers, "Teen raises money for cancer for shaving his head." and note how they allowed it under extenuating circumstances.

Decent rule for a school in an area where the behavior can be commonplace, but about as poorly handled as possible.
 
2013-10-05 11:48:42 PM

Mozi: vrax:

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.  You are a (self entitled, insufferable, bratty) student who, as a minor, does not enjoy the rights and privileges that are conveyed alongside the responsibilities of adulthood."

I think that's a fairly good reason right there.


Right.  A bald man in charge who doesn't want to be mocked.

/nailed it on the first try.
 
pla
2013-10-05 11:49:25 PM
Mozi : How 'bout... "Because I said so and I'm the person in charge.

Wow, you don't deal with kids much, do you?

Hell, have you ever even met another human? Reasoning like that pretty much guarantees deliberate noncompliance. Kudos for "sticking it to the brats" - I hope you have a loooot of prison cells to hold them all.
 
2013-10-05 11:52:59 PM

farkmedown: skullkrusher: my school had a similar policy. You never heard about it because kids and parents read the handbook and said, ok, I'll not do that then. Hell, our dean had scissors in his desk and if your hair was over the collar of your shirt he'd cut it for you whether you liked it or not.

That's assault. Did anyone deck him for it?


no. Back then parents actually gave a shiat about their kids. We actually had the same last names as our dads too. Weird.
Kids didn't have the balls to hit their teachers because, ya know, we weren't a bunch of animals destined for trailer park life and government assistance
 
2013-10-06 01:21:33 AM

nyrB: vrax: nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

The reason's already been given in this thread.  As someone from America, it may seem "idiotic" to you, but in Britain shaved heads have a very specific and negative connotation.  It's the same reason gang colors are sometimes banned in schools in the United States.


No, I'm well aware of skinhead culture and it's still completely idiotic to ban shaved heads.  It's an absurd authoritarian reaction to try and control something they will never, ever have control over.  And when another unacceptable group is established that wears their hair medium cut and well styled, then what?!  Everyone longhair?   Oh, fark, that's too hippie!  How about no heads?  That good?!  Same with the color ban.  Yeah, no blue or red anything.  Oh, shiat, the 18th St. crew's colors are yellow and brown .  OK, no yellow or brown.  Fark, West 98th's colors are green and orange.  No green or orange.  Fark it, everyone come to school naked!  What?  There's a new gang that runs naked?!  Gah!
 
2013-10-06 01:47:28 AM

nyrB: Because, of course, the only way this boy could could contribute to the cause that's so important to him was by getting his hair shaved off.  It's unfortunate he had absolutely no other alternatives.  It's not like the school told him what would happen or anything.


You seem unaware that shaving your head is an official, recognized way of collecting sponsorship money towards cancer research. Additionally, people who undergo chemotherapy often lose their hair; shaving your head is both a sign of support and a means of collecting human hair from which wigs can be made for those patients who wish not to show their bald head.

Famous people do it, politicians do it, regular people do it, even former presidents do it.

http://www.tetesrasees.com/en
http://www.shaveforthebrave.ca/
http://news.sky.com/story/1120087/george-hw-bush-shaves-head-for-can ce r-boy
 
2013-10-06 03:58:47 AM

capt.hollister: nyrB: Because, of course, the only way this boy could could contribute to the cause that's so important to him was by getting his hair shaved off.  It's unfortunate he had absolutely no other alternatives.  It's not like the school told him what would happen or anything.

You seem unaware that shaving your head is an official, recognized way of collecting sponsorship money towards cancer research. Additionally, people who undergo chemotherapy often lose their hair; shaving your head is both a sign of support and a means of collecting human hair from which wigs can be made for those patients who wish not to show their bald head.

Famous people do it, politicians do it, regular people do it, even former presidents do it.

http://www.tetesrasees.com/en
http://www.shaveforthebrave.ca/
http://news.sky.com/story/1120087/george-hw-bush-shaves-head-for-can ce r-boy


I'm well aware it's a recognized way of collecting sponsorship money.  Surely you're aware that it's not the only way of doing so.  Apparently this boy was not.
 
2013-10-06 06:17:25 AM

vrax: nyrB: vrax: nyrB: vrax: Who gives a shiat! It's an idiotic rule that shouldn't be followed!

yeah - it's not like they could have had any possible reason behind their rule, right?  they just impose all sorts of idiotic rules all over the place for the fun of it.  and if we think a rule's idiotic, why follow it?  there's a lot to be said for anarchy.  stupid school with it's rules.

Give me the reason!  It wouldn't be anything new for a school to impose moronic rules simply to project some misguided vision of propriety.

The reason's already been given in this thread.  As someone from America, it may seem "idiotic" to you, but in Britain shaved heads have a very specific and negative connotation.  It's the same reason gang colors are sometimes banned in schools in the United States.

No, I'm well aware of skinhead culture and it's still completely idiotic to ban shaved heads.  It's an absurd authoritarian reaction to try and control something they will never, ever have control over.  And when another unacceptable group is established that wears their hair medium cut and well styled, then what?!  Everyone longhair?   Oh, fark, that's too hippie!  How about no heads?  That good?!  Same with the color ban.  Yeah, no blue or red anything.  Oh, shiat, the 18th St. crew's colors are yellow and brown .  OK, no yellow or brown.  Fark, West 98th's colors are green and orange.  No green or orange.  Fark it, everyone come to school naked!  What?  There's a new gang that runs naked?!  Gah!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Of course, that's about all you're capable of doing, being absurd.

Banning the haircut is a means of ostracizing and is not a universal treatment to unacceptable people the world over, but ostracism in general is pretty much the norm when dealing with taboo's on uncivilized behavior.  Just like you being a schmuck and people giving you a hard time for it.

The "yellow vs brown" thing never happened.  Bloods vs Crips was no street gang except in it's inception, it was a bit bigger than you're trying to make it sound.  What a great reasoning tactic, make violent criminals out to be small non-problematic gatherings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crips

Ended up being more along the lines of organized crime like the mob than a few street thugs mugging grannies.

It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.  But whatever, continue to empathize and be apologetic for them. Downplay their existence, their impact, even deny their existence if you want.  You aren't the first tool to do so.
 
2013-10-06 09:39:51 AM

omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.


Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.
 
2013-10-06 09:58:54 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.

Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.


I'm guessing you didn't grow up on or near a council estate in the UK.
 
2013-10-06 10:15:26 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.

Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.


Globally, yes.  Regionally, no, depending on where you are at.

http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/njs/neonazi.asp

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/ sk ins-united-kingdom.html

If you want to be so liberal and tolerant as to deny the existence and problems such groups can cause, that's on your shoulders.

It's not even like I have a thing against shaved heads.  Hell, I have a shaved head.  Then again, I'm not in a region where the neo-nazism is a problem, where it's actually a symbol for hate and intolerance.  Where I live, it's not part of a uniform, it's something many balding guys and working schlubs do.


Not so different from disallowing a swastika on a T-shirt, or the confederate flag in the US where there is racial tension, or a flaming cross(or upside down one, flaming or not).

It is not a threat to free will and self expression, it's a societal standard, often localized, which aids in stemming off violence.  Relax, you can still be a skinhead on the inside, no one is playing thought police, so you're safe.  People just don't want you to emulate it in an obvious way that can cause conflict/tension/disturbances.

Same way that you are not allowed to be naked around kids, especially at schools.  You may have the purest intent of being natural, but to most people it would be offensive and creepy if not a sign of actual intent.  So please, dress appropriately.
 
2013-10-06 10:43:52 AM
First Holocaust and now this..
 
2013-10-06 02:45:10 PM

Target Builder: BraveNewCheneyWorld: omeganuepsilon: It's a pretty good chance, that during the American Revolution if you saw a redcoat in the woods, he was the enemy, and only a fool would wear the uniform if he was not.

Same thing with skinheads, it's part of a uniform.

Of all the people who shave their heads, skinheads are a very small minority.  Your "concern" is unwarranted.

I'm guessing you didn't grow up on or near a council estate in the UK.


Thanks, you just proved my point.

omeganuepsilon: Globally, yes.  Regionally, no, depending on where you are at.

http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/njs/neonazi.asp

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/ sk ins-united-kingdom.html


From your link -"Skinheads have demonstrated their willingness to attack or even kill for their cause: they are responsible for as many as 45 murders of racial minorities, homosexuals and even other skinheads." I'm willing to bet more people die falling down stairs in the same area.  Honestly, you're just a fearmonger.  These people mostly have their little hate meetings and do almost nothing, if people like you didn't act like they were a legitimate problem, they'd disappear.  They actually get off on the fact that you're fearful.

omeganuepsilon: Same way that you are not allowed to be naked around kids, especially at schools.  You may have the purest intent of being natural, but to most people it would be offensive and creepy if not a sign of actual intent.  So please, dress appropriately.


If you think someone who thinks they look good bald, is even remotely in the same category as someone who wants to be around children naked, then you have some serious farking problems.  It's pretty much the derpiest thing you could have said.
 
2013-10-06 05:23:51 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If you think someone who thinks they look good bald, is even remotely in the same category as someone who wants to be around children naked, then you have some serious farking problems.


I didn't say or even imply such a thing.  I'm saying it's a good idea to not dress like X in an area where X is often involved in violence.  Nightclubs that ban baggy clothes, bars that ban service members(either because military boys are regionally hated or because military boys are renown for starting fights, works both ways with this one), schools that ban etc etc.

I do think you have some serious cognitive dissonance issues.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: if people like you didn't act like they were a legitimate problem, they'd disappear.


Because all racists and bigots just go away when people ignore them.  In fact, all societal problems go away if you ignore them.

All gay/bi/lesbian/trans people, as well as those persecuted for their color or beliefs(or lack thereof) will be glad to hear of this new technique in dealing with irrational haters.

If ignoring assholes made them vanish, I wouldn't hesitate to ignore you, but it doesn't work that way.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: They actually get off on the fact that you're fearful.


More of the same, typical fark, someone creating the argument that they want to argue against rather than what is actually present, AND slanting it into an insult of cowardice.

I am not fearful of them.  I would rather society don't encourage them though, downplay their bad side.

That is why you sound like a sociopath. Passive permissive of hatred and violence.

Keeping up awareness of why it's bad for people to be hateful racists, or bigots of any flavor, and making it an unattractive stance is a fairly rational to most people.  Thanks for outing yourself though.  You're a shoo-in for whichever hate group you're aspiring to if you haven't already been granted membership.  Which is it, Westboro Baptists, Hitler Fan Club?  I figure it has to be something of that sort, because they both hate multiple groups and types of people.  Dirty libruls, gays, coloreds, etc.  You get variety, more for your commitment.

Mostly I think so because you're working so hard to get me to lay off of them.  You've got to have some sort of stake in it, otherwise you would just ignore me so that I disappear as well, poof, like magic.  As if...thanks for wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve for us all know you by.
 
2013-10-06 07:03:57 PM
FTA: "Rhys and a friend, 14, had their heads shaved as part of the annual UK-wide Macmillan Coffee Morning on Saturday and raised about £700. "

I didn't know what that funny looking  'L' was, so I Googled it... Day-um, those two kids had 700 pounds of hair?!?!?!?!? How'd they walk around with that much hair.?? Wouldn't that have been uncomfortable?? Seems like shaving 350+ pounds of hair would've been almost a medical necessity.

/ Couple of hippies. - serves 'em right
 
2013-10-06 07:43:17 PM

omeganuepsilon: Mostly I think so because you're working so hard to get me to lay off of them. You've got to have some sort of stake in it, otherwise you would just ignore me so that I disappear as well, poof, like magic. As if...thanks for wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve for us all know you by.


Maybe he gets off on the fact you're fearful of him.
 
2013-10-06 07:46:14 PM

nyrB: omeganuepsilon: Mostly I think so because you're working so hard to get me to lay off of them. You've got to have some sort of stake in it, otherwise you would just ignore me so that I disappear as well, poof, like magic. As if...thanks for wearing your hypocrisy on your sleeve for us all know you by.

Maybe he gets off on the fact you're fearful of him.


Ah, delusions of grandeur.  Makes sense.
 
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