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2013-10-05 10:04:32 AM  
Simple- when the GOP kept pushing them until their heels were on the edge of the cliff.
 
2013-10-05 10:22:00 AM  
FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.
 
2013-10-05 10:40:02 AM  
What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is. What is the psychological payoff on that delusion?
 
2013-10-05 11:13:07 AM  
When the GOP started trying to change the way the government operates?
 
2013-10-05 11:13:48 AM  

Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is. What is the psychological payoff on that delusion?


Politics entails compromise, which to feeble minds can appear as weakness.
 
2013-10-05 11:19:23 AM  
2010 happened - pretty much every blue dog lost in that election (which was about as predictable as the sun shining, since blue dogs are dumb as fark). What was left over was a more liberal caucus.
 
2013-10-05 11:27:24 AM  

Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is. What is the psychological payoff on that delusion?


10am is a little early, to be drunk, isn't it?
 
2013-10-05 11:43:25 AM  
We Democrats have always had solid spines. We just pick our battles wisely and are will to compromise to get the better good done for all.

If we were just black and white, absolutely binary in our decision processes, we'd be Republicans.
 
2013-10-05 11:58:52 AM  
there is no choice anymore - the GOP is on a death ride and going to destroy the country. the Democrats actually like the country and don't feel like destroying themselves along with the Republicans.  so...if your choice is cake or death, the DNC picked cake.
 
2013-10-05 12:03:30 PM  

Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is.



You sound CONCERNED.
 
2013-10-05 12:08:21 PM  
the GOP talking point about this being all Obama's fault is still being pushed by the rank and file...but I see it getting destroyed over and over and over on facebook by people who normally avoid politics like the plague.  I'm not sure what to think about that development....
 
2013-10-05 12:08:50 PM  
FTFA: Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't?

A prescient question,
 
2013-10-05 12:10:55 PM  

raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.


That's why I rarely curse at work, because when I do, people take notice, and it's because I'm truly farking pissed about something.
 
2013-10-05 12:13:47 PM  

Weaver95: the GOP talking point about this being all Obama's fault is still being pushed by the rank and file...but I see it getting destroyed over and over and over on facebook by people who normally avoid politics like the plague.  I'm not sure what to think about that development....


Because it's such a stupidly easy point to argue? It pretty much argues itself. I've been battling people for a week now, wherever I can. This morning I've been on Rep. Steve Stockman's page...
 
2013-10-05 12:14:51 PM  

Weaver95: the GOP talking point about this being all Obama's fault is still being pushed by the rank and file...but I see it getting destroyed over and over and over on facebook by people who normally avoid politics like the plague.  I'm not sure what to think about that development....


Look at it this way -- the argument that the shutdown being entirely Obama's fault is not convincing the people who use Facebook and don't pay too much attention to politics.
 
2013-10-05 12:19:06 PM  

raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.


Meh. Politicians have been swearing for decades. It's just that the print media are too delicate to put it out there. Online sites have no such restrictions, so you get more of the juice.
 
2013-10-05 12:24:34 PM  

raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.



McDermott is a badass.  I absolutely believe he said that.  I am proud that he is my Representative.
 
2013-10-05 12:47:05 PM  

ManateeGag: Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is. What is the psychological payoff on that delusion?

10am is a little early, to be drunk, isn't it?


Not only no... but hell no
 
2013-10-05 12:54:02 PM  

Weaver95: the GOP talking point about this being all Obama's fault is still being pushed by the rank and file...but I see it getting destroyed over and over and over on facebook by people who normally avoid politics like the plague.  I'm not sure what to think about that development....


I too have noticed a lot of people that normally have nothing to do with politics shaking their heads and wondering what the hell is wrong with the GOP.  The right wing derp appears to be bouncing off of normal people.
 
2013-10-05 01:18:33 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Weaver95: the GOP talking point about this being all Obama's fault is still being pushed by the rank and file...but I see it getting destroyed over and over and over on facebook by people who normally avoid politics like the plague.  I'm not sure what to think about that development....

I too have noticed a lot of people that normally have nothing to do with politics shaking their heads and wondering what the hell is wrong with the GOP.  The right wing derp appears to be bouncing off of normal people.


I honestly don't know if that bodes well for the future or not.  One thing is for sure tho - the GOP standard issue propaganda isn't playing well outside of the echo chamber.  so that's making me feel a bit better about the situation
 
2013-10-05 01:33:38 PM  
If they had any kind of a spine, they'd be pushing for single-payer instead of a rebranded Romneycare.
 
2013-10-05 01:34:11 PM  

Somacandra: Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is.

You sound CONCERNED.


You don't understand "concern trolling". I'm not arguing for Democrats to have spines rather for Democrats to stop deluding themselves over the tenacious tactics their leadership employs. It's annoying as all hell.

Democrats lie so easily to each other that lying to themselves just comes naturally I suppose.
 
2013-10-05 01:35:29 PM  
They still have plenty of time to capitulate.  Let's hope they don't
 
2013-10-05 01:37:15 PM  

raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.


Would you say...it's a big farking deal?
 
2013-10-05 01:37:29 PM  

raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.


That's my congressman. But for his being a bit of a lapdog for Big Pharma, he's pretty great. I got to sit down and have a beer with him once, and I found him to be smart, funny, thoughtful, and committed to representing his constituents to the best of his ability. And it doesn't surprise me at all that he said that.
 
2013-10-05 01:38:40 PM  

FloydA: raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.


McDermott is a badass.  I absolutely believe he said that.  I am proud that he is my Representative.


He's my rep too. He's 200 years old and awesome.
 
2013-10-05 01:41:33 PM  
The funny thing about making a bunch of deep-red districts, is you pack in so much red into those districts that you also make a bunch of deep-blue districts as well.
 
2013-10-05 01:42:37 PM  

ManateeGag: Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is. What is the psychological payoff on that delusion?

10am is a little early, to be drunk, isn't it?


You drunk bro??
 
2013-10-05 01:42:38 PM  
When they finally realized the extremist wing of the GOP is truly insane and in control of the party?
 
2013-10-05 01:44:59 PM  

Mad Tea Party: If they had any kind of a spine, they'd be pushing for single-payer instead of a rebranded Romneycare.


If Obamacare fails a few years from now, yet millions of people DO get health insurance for a time, we may see a push for exactly that.

/ I have no idea how we would handle the shrinking of the health insurance industry
// IIRC, it's 16% of our GDP; lots of laid off salespeople & office workers in the future, I think..
/// still, I'll play the world's tiniest violin for corporations like Cigna and UnitedHealth
 
2013-10-05 01:46:03 PM  
This was the perfectly WORST fight for the GOP to choose.

They gave Democrats no room to retreat, the Democrats lose nothing by fighting, and the GOP offered Democrats nothing in return for a surrender (or partial surrender),

So what would ANY opponent do in the similar situation? Fight like your political life depended on it.

...

"Art of War" was a business cliche in the 1980's, but Sun Tzu nailed it when he described how you want to set the environment of a fight before you start the fight. The GOP violated those principles in almost every way.

ericwongmma.com
 
2013-10-05 01:46:22 PM  
The derp is coming from people who are in gerrymandered districts and guaranteed re-election. The GOP members that aren't are starting to get worried.

Davis for Texas! Once Texas goes blue, the GOP is history.
 
2013-10-05 01:46:27 PM  
I don't know, but it should've happened a long time ago. Better late than never, I suppose.

Mrbogey: Somacandra: Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is.

You sound CONCERNED.

You don't understand "concern trolling". I'm not arguing for Democrats to have spines rather for Democrats to stop deluding themselves over the tenacious tactics their leadership employs. It's annoying as all hell.

Democrats lie so easily to each other that lying to themselves just comes naturally I suppose.


cdn.crushable.com

You are a pathetic person. Just so you know.
 
2013-10-05 01:47:17 PM  
Stand up to a loudmouthed bully, break their nose, then watch them go wailing back to mamma.
 
2013-10-05 01:48:43 PM  
I think the GOP miscalculated. They thought that their sycophants would hang tight even if they got hit with furloughs and services denied. They thought the power of their messaging would keep the bubble intact.  Au contraire. A lot of teabaggers are starting to feel the pinch. And even they don't want the govt to default. Sure they'd love to beat the Dems. But a lot of them have checked out the insurance exchanges and saw where they could save some bucks. or maybe they can get coverage now where they couldn't before. Every day that number increases and the lies about the ACA are being revealed before their very eyes.   Reality always wins in the end. It may take time but it's unavoidable.
 
2013-10-05 01:49:34 PM  

Zeno-25: Stand up to a loudmouthed bully, break their nose, then watch them go wailing back to mamma.


GOP/Tea Party = Eric Cartman
 
2013-10-05 01:51:20 PM  

Mrbogey: Democrats lie so easily to each other that lying to themselves just comes naturally I suppose.


I picture an old church lady saying this, while pursing her lips in a completely-uninformed-but-convinced-she's-correct sort of way.
 
2013-10-05 01:52:45 PM  

Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is. What is the psychological payoff on that delusion?


lol
 
2013-10-05 01:53:52 PM  
They learned that letting them 'cry it out' is an effective form of parenting a small child.
 
2013-10-05 01:54:30 PM  

AspectRatio: FloydA: raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.


McDermott is a badass.  I absolutely believe he said that.  I am proud that he is my Representative.

He's my rep too. He's 200 years old and awesome.


He was one of my best friend's shrink way back in the '70's, she hated him.  But, you're right he has been awesome for our state.
 
2013-10-05 01:58:59 PM  

Zeno-25: Stand up to a loudmouthed bully, break their nose, then watch them go wailing back to mamma.


I prefer to think the Democratic turn-around went a little like this.
 
2013-10-05 01:59:26 PM  

raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.


I love my state.
 
2013-10-05 02:00:45 PM  
A lot of people don't seem to realize how unprecedented this Republican stunt really is. We've had government shutdowns over policy before, but it was almost always over a REAL negotiation where both sides had something to offer. In this case, the Republicans have demanded the overturning of the Democrats' most signature legislation from the past decade, and return for this they've offered F*CKING NOTHING. It's insane.

THAT'S why the Dems finally grew a spine, and THAT'S why this has been compared to extortion and hostage taking, because that's exactly what this f*cking is. I've already decided I'm never voting for any Republican again for the rest of my life, but I suspect this has convinced more than a few other people to do the same. It's unforgivable. YOU F*CKING LOST.
 
2013-10-05 02:01:04 PM  

Mrbogey: It's annoying as all hell.


i.imgur.com

Bless your heart.
 
2013-10-05 02:02:30 PM  
I wouldn't say that they grew a spine moreso than they are now more united than ever.

GOP gave pretty much every Democrat a common enemy by their actions

Those who were passive are now rather active because they are pretty damn angry
 
2013-10-05 02:03:30 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Mrbogey: What gives with Democrats perpetually whining about how weak their leadership is. What is the psychological payoff on that delusion?

Politics entails compromise, which to feeble minds can appear as weakness.


When you compromise with a party that pulls stunts like this, it is weakness. In fact, it's Chamberlain-level appeasement.
 
2013-10-05 02:05:10 PM  

Mrbogey: impaler: I have you favorited as "lying scum"

Project more Republican

And I can guarantee that you won't actually have a link to support the claim I'm lying.

You liar.


You really are Republican.

"Democrats lie so easily to each other that lying to themselves just comes naturally I suppose."

I said you were projecting, not lying. You are a liar though.

Want a link, Republican?

Republicans lying so easily to each other
 
2013-10-05 02:05:28 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Mad Tea Party: If they had any kind of a spine, they'd be pushing for single-payer instead of a rebranded Romneycare.

If Obamacare fails a few years from now, yet millions of people DO get health insurance for a time, we may see a push for exactly that.

/ I have no idea how we would handle the shrinking of the health insurance industry
// IIRC, it's 16% of our GDP; lots of laid off salespeople & office workers in the future, I think..
/// still, I'll play the world's tiniest violin for corporations like Cigna and UnitedHealth


It's very simple:

In a few years, once the exchanges have settled upon the few huge companies that will cover the majority of the ACA-related healthcare for those millions of people, you simply have them co-opted by the government directly.

They maintain the infrastructure, but lop off the top half of the executive system and send the bills directly to the government.  Absorb the infrastructure into the Medicare system and give the Executives a golden parachute and one-time payoff to go away.

Tada, Obamacare becomes Medicare.
 
2013-10-05 02:06:12 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: A lot of people don't seem to realize how unprecedented this Republican stunt really is. We've had government shutdowns over policy before, but it was almost always over a REAL negotiation where both sides had something to offer. In this case, the Republicans have demanded the overturning of the Democrats' most signature legislation from the past decade, and return for this they've offered F*CKING NOTHING. It's insane.

THAT'S why the Dems finally grew a spine, and THAT'S why this has been compared to extortion and hostage taking, because that's exactly what this f*cking is. I've already decided I'm never voting for any Republican again for the rest of my life, but I suspect this has convinced more than a few other people to do the same. It's unforgivable. YOU F*CKING LOST.


Word.
 
2013-10-05 02:06:40 PM  

whistleridge: raerae1980: FTA: Washington Rep. Jim McDermott after voting no on one of Thursday's GOP bills. "You can't deal with 'em. This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare-affordable health care-in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can't figure out how to admit it." Why would House Democrats give away what the Supreme Court and the 2012 electorate didn't? "You can't say, OK, you get half of Obamacare-this isn't a Solomonic decision," McDermott said. "So we sit here until they figure out they farkin' lost."


I can't believe he said that.  Sorry, I'm not used to hearing my politicians swear so openly.   It's the same feeling I get when I hear it from my parents.   In other words, he must be very pissed off/angry to express himself like that.

Meh. Politicians have been swearing for decades. It's just that the print media are too delicate to put it out there. Online sites have no such restrictions, so you get more of the juice.


Behind closed doors, everyone swears.  It is, and should be, notable when you swear in public.
 
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