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2013-10-05 01:01:45 PM
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2013-10-05 01:02:32 PM
"Rep. Carl Rogers, R- Hall County said he has heard it over and over from constituents, fed up with slow bike riders taking up lanes on country roads.

"Over the last three years, I've heard from a lot of property owners, a lot of drivers of automobiles and trucks, and they keep asking me -- when are we going to do something. When I'm going to do something about it," Rogers said."

Yea, because license plate requirements on all cars and trucks have made those drivers safe and aware drivers. Just another money making scheme.
 
2013-10-05 01:02:57 PM
Freedumb!!!
 
2013-10-05 01:03:05 PM
Something something pry my cold, dead hands off my handlebars something something.

I will support this when it's combined with a breeding licence.
 
2013-10-05 01:04:11 PM
I can understand this.  If you're using a vehicle to travel on tax-funded roads, it needs to be licensed and registered.  Why should bicycles be any different?
 
2013-10-05 01:04:19 PM
$$$$$$
 
2013-10-05 01:04:29 PM
It would raise funds by licensing bicycles. Also, cyclists who ignore traffic laws could be more easily found and punished.
 
2013-10-05 01:05:18 PM
Good. If you think you have the same rights to the road, then you should be willing to share the costs & obey the same traffic laws as people driving cars. One of the biggest reasons one of bicyclists break traffic laws is that there's no reasonable way to track the offenders.

This effectively solves that problem & generates a proportional degree of revenue that auto offenders currently produce.
 
2013-10-05 01:06:45 PM
Lookit them thar bicyclists, eatin crackers like they owns the place.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:06 PM
" It would require bikes to buy and display license plates, forbid riding side-by-side, allow only four riders in a single-file group and even let counties ban bikes from some roads. "

About f*cking time. All I need now is that oil-slick accessory installed.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:12 PM
"Bort?"
 
2013-10-05 01:07:29 PM

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The one where bicyclists pretend they shouldn't have to pay for road maintenance because of whales and shiat.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:34 PM
Probably so cameras can get a license plate number for blowing a red light like they often like to do.
 
2013-10-05 01:07:43 PM
Good. They need to do this for pedestrians next. They're even slower than cyclists.
 
2013-10-05 01:10:16 PM

MFAWG: jaytkay: Let me save you some scrolling. Here is a summary of the comments below.

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The one where bicyclists pretend they shouldn't have to pay for road maintenance because of whales and shiat.


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2013-10-05 01:11:25 PM

FatherChaos: I can understand this.  If you're using a vehicle to travel on tax-funded roads, it needs to be licensed and registered.  Why should bicycles be any different?




Bike riders (adults) pay taxes. They don't pay tax at the pumps, but neither do drivers of electric cars. Putting a plate on a bike is just a money grab, and accomplishes nothing.

/I don't even own a bike.
 
2013-10-05 01:12:20 PM
"Rogers and two colleagues have introduced house bill 689. It would require bikes to buy and display license plates, forbid riding side-by-side, allow only four riders in a single-file group and even let counties ban bikes from some roads."

Riding side by side keeps people from trying to pass you.  Yes, some bike riders are dicks about this, but other times it really is for safety.  Some winding roads, you really need to wait to pass, just like you would with a car.  4 riders single file?  What is the point of this?  Break up dangerous bicycle gangs?  (Not dangerous motorcycle gangs, those guys will drag you out of your car, but most drivers can run over a bunch of bicycles and drive away pretty safely.)  As for limiting access to certain roads, there usually are restrictions on limited access roads anyway.  Why bicycles?  Why not limit it on cars?

As for license plates, yeah, it seems like it's pretty much about making money.  There are easier ways.  If they are using roads in the same ways as cars, they could fall under some of the other laws for cars.  If you pull someone over for a traffic violation in a car, they make you show a driver's licence.  Why not do the same for bicycles (for adults at least).  It's less of a burden than registering each bicycle.  Offer a bicycle ID card for people who don't want a driver's licence, but actually linking bad driving on a bicycle to points on your license isn't an unreasonable idea.
 
2013-10-05 01:12:31 PM
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2013-10-05 01:13:06 PM

red5ish: Lookit them thar bicyclists, eatin crackers like they owns the place.


If I drove as slow as bycicles did on the road and obstructed traffic I would be ticketed why should bycicles be given a free pass to hold up traffic
 
2013-10-05 01:14:33 PM
I understand his dilemma, As a Republican, it is his duty to promote the opposite of good legislation. Everywhere else in the world, lawmakers are trying to promote cycling because of its myriad of benefits. But as a voter, he is right about one thing. It's time to do something.
 
2013-10-05 01:15:02 PM
So a 12 year old kid would have to fork out maybe $25 for a bike license?

Or would it be just for "real cyclists"?

Would you only need one if you're older than 16? 18? Does my neighbor's 6 year old need one on her Pink Princess bike?

Reading proposed laws n bills n stuff iz hard.
 
2013-10-05 01:16:05 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FatherChaos: I can understand this.  If you're using a vehicle to travel on tax-funded roads, it needs to be licensed and registered.  Why should bicycles be any different?



Bike riders (adults) pay taxes. They don't pay tax at the pumps, but neither do drivers of electric cars. Putting a plate on a bike is just a money grab, and accomplishes nothing.

/I don't even own a bike.


Seriously, dude? It generates revenue. Same as auto offenders. The difference being is that currently the burden of traffic offenses is unduly carried by cars. Bicyclists that I see in my neighborhood and around about Austin almost never obey traffic laws & I'm sorry, but that has to be addressed.
 
2013-10-05 01:18:12 PM

megarian: So a 12 year old kid would have to fork out maybe $25 for a bike license?

Or would it be just for "real cyclists"?

Would you only need one if you're older than 16? 18? Does my neighbor's 6 year old need one on her Pink Princess bike?

Reading proposed laws n bills n stuff iz hard.


Like most small-government Republican legislation, it's poorly thought out and vague enough to apply to almost any unintended situation.
 
2013-10-05 01:18:25 PM
Require them to have bike insurance and then call it a day.  If you want to use public roads then the government has a right (obligation, even) to regulate the manner in which they are used, and that includes requiring registration and insurance.  It's a privilege to drive and bike on public roads.

Minors without plates on their bikes have to stay on sidewalks.

Ablejack: I understand his dilemma, As a Republican, it is his duty to promote the opposite of good legislation. Everywhere else in the world, lawmakers are trying to promote cycling because of its myriad of benefits. But as a voter, he is right about one thing. It's time to do something.


How does this discourage cycling?  Does vehicle registration discourage driving?
 
2013-10-05 01:19:14 PM
MFAWG:The one where bicyclists pretend they shouldn't have to pay for road maintenance because of whales and shiat.

Cyclists already do pay for more than their share of the roads. Automobiles actually cost more for road maintenance than they provide. If you want to make this about wasting tax money, the smart thing to do is get more people on bikes more often. On the other hand if you want to discuss safety, again, more bikes is safer for everyone.
 
2013-10-05 01:20:15 PM
Thine bill can be summarized thusly: we want your money.
 
2013-10-05 01:20:44 PM
lol, most ridiculous thing ever.
 
2013-10-05 01:20:55 PM
Skateboards are vehicles too!
 
2013-10-05 01:21:45 PM

Fark It: Require them to have bike insurance and then call it a day.  If you want to use public roads then the government has a right (obligation, even) to regulate the manner in which they are used, and that includes requiring registration and insurance.  It's a privilege to drive and bike on public roads.

Minors without plates on their bikes have to stay on sidewalks.

Ablejack: I understand his dilemma, As a Republican, it is his duty to promote the opposite of good legislation. Everywhere else in the world, lawmakers are trying to promote cycling because of its myriad of benefits. But as a voter, he is right about one thing. It's time to do something.

How does this discourage cycling?  Does vehicle registration discourage driving?


Similar laws have been tried elsewhere. Always with the same results, less biking makes higher economic and safety costs for everyone.
 
2013-10-05 01:22:14 PM

Ablejack: On the other hand if you want to discuss safety, again, more bikes is safer for everyone.


Most bicyclists I see on the road do not obey traffic laws.  They run stop signs, red lights, change lanes without signalling, use the middle of the road, veer into crosswalks when the pedestrian lights are green, etc.  When it comes to safety, more citations and enforcement directed at bikers is safer for everyone.

/if I drove my car the way most bicyclists ride their bikes, I'd be dead or in jail by now
 
2013-10-05 01:22:21 PM
bicycle license plate results in being able to tell the cops the identity of that douche who caused a multi-vehicle crash and then he just rode off.

/ride single file and to the nearest right edge of the paved shoulder/lane.
//don't ignore traffic control devices.
///quit dressing like a bi-sexual clubber from the 2am club scene in NewYork.

Wanna see a woman shiat her pants? Bicyclist ignores train gates and nearly get dissembled by train. Police still looking for her to give her a ticket for nearly impeding the train and almost causing the maintenance crew to come out with a hose and wash bucket..
With video.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-24364332
 
2013-10-05 01:22:32 PM

Fark It: Require them to have bike insurance and then call it a day. If you want to use public roads then the government has a right (obligation, even) to regulate the manner in which they are used, and that includes requiring registration and insurance. It's a privilege to drive and bike on public roads.


Okay, I'll wait for you to post up the first story about a bike careening into a car causing thousands of dollars of damage to the other driver not to mention the city that has to repair the median and lightpole the bike took out as well as the cleanup.  Then I'll entertain the notion that bike insurance might be a good idea rather than just a tool to punish bikers with.
 
2013-10-05 01:22:49 PM
Lookit all them bikes slowing down traffic it makes me so angry
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2013-10-05 01:22:52 PM

Ablejack: Similar laws have been tried elsewhere. Always with the same results, less biking makes higher economic and safety costs for everyone.


Citation needed.
 
2013-10-05 01:23:25 PM
I don't object to the bike riders as such, and we live on a really popular ride - weekends in summer are something.  BUT, apart from when they ride in large groups taking up an entire lane, I just don't worry about them apart from not hitting them - it's not worth the brain damage.

I would support a highway excise tax on bike tires - that's the only direct measure of a bikes use.

Denver used to require bike licence plates and it was a pain to go get them - and pointless besides.

Better they are on the bike than in front of a TV drinking Bud Light and beating their kids or something.
 
2013-10-05 01:23:41 PM

FatherChaos: I can understand this.  If you're using a vehicle to travel on tax-funded roads, it needs to be licensed and registered.  Why should bicycles be any different?


Can I remove my license plate when I travel on fully-privatized toll roads?
 
2013-10-05 01:24:23 PM
Lets add that every place that have mandated helmets, is the accident rate skyrockets.

/Mandate helmets and tens of thousands of less people ride, but douches get all crazy as the helmet is their forcefield.
 
2013-10-05 01:24:29 PM

Ablejack: MFAWG:The one where bicyclists pretend they shouldn't have to pay for road maintenance because of whales and shiat.

Cyclists already do pay for more than their share of the roads. Automobiles actually cost more for road maintenance than they provide. If you want to make this about wasting tax money, the smart thing to do is get more people on bikes more often. On the other hand if you want to discuss safety, again, more bikes is safer for everyone.


I live in Seattle. The current Administration in this burg has been applying this system, and it's not working.

I will say this: It amuses me greatly that I see more and more homeless people on bicycles pedaling slowly in bike lanes with overstuffed saddlebags and shopping bags and tying up the packs of software engineers riding 10,000 dollar bikes and wearing 300 dollar sunglasses.
 
2013-10-05 01:24:34 PM
Threatened with ticket once for riding unlicenced bicycle in small town in central IN.  Still own bicycle but it hangs in storage in garden shed with tyres flat, not been ridden since we left House In City. Wd like to use it here but grades a tad steep --.
 
2013-10-05 01:26:45 PM

pueblonative: Okay, I'll wait for you to post up the first story about a bike careening into a car causing thousands of dollars of damage to the other driver not to mention the city that has to repair the median and lightpole the bike took out as well as the cleanup. Then I'll entertain the notion that bike insurance might be a good idea rather than just a tool to punish bikers with.


When a biker does something stupid like run a light or stop sign and gets creamed, the city has to pay the cost of emergency and first responder services.  And if they don't have health insurance then the local hospital is out thousands of dollars.  And in a wreck, a bicyclists body is a meat missile at a high enough speed.  Bikes can damage cars and render them undriveable (it's against the law to drive with a cracked windshield).

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Bicyclist-sentenced-for-fatal-S- F- crash-4736312.php
 
2013-10-05 01:30:32 PM
This is nothing new, the town we lived in as a kid tried this back in the late 70's.

The problem was, bikes were mostly kids transportation back then, and cops weren't going to be seen pulling over some 12 year old on his way to school on a unlicensed Schwinn. The whole thing was introduced, promoted, ignored, and died a quiet death within a couple of years. Doubt they even raised enough cash to cover costs.
 
2013-10-05 01:30:33 PM

FatherChaos: I can understand this.  If you're using a vehicle to travel on tax-funded roads, it needs to be licensed and registered.  Why should bicycles be any different?


passive-aggressive bicyclist hate with eloquence and logic. nice.
 
2013-10-05 01:32:05 PM

Fark It: pueblonative: Okay, I'll wait for you to post up the first story about a bike careening into a car causing thousands of dollars of damage to the other driver not to mention the city that has to repair the median and lightpole the bike took out as well as the cleanup. Then I'll entertain the notion that bike insurance might be a good idea rather than just a tool to punish bikers with.

When a biker does something stupid like run a light or stop sign and gets creamed, the city has to pay the cost of emergency and first responder services.  And if they don't have health insurance then the local hospital is out thousands of dollars.  And in a wreck, a bicyclists body is a meat missile at a high enough speed.  Bikes can damage cars and render them undriveable (it's against the law to drive with a cracked windshield).

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Bicyclist-sentenced-for-fatal-S- F- crash-4736312.php


Damn, it's too bad we haven't thought of a way to mandate that bikers carry health insurance to cover the cost of these services.  That might be an idea that catches on.
As for your little link, I really hope that wasn't your response for my request of link of a bike causing damage by careening into a car.
 
2013-10-05 01:32:31 PM

Warlordtrooper: If I drove as slow as bycicles did on the road and obstructed traffic I would be ticketed why should bycicles be given a free pass to hold up traffic


Because they're slow-moving vehicles.  I don't care how grotesquely powerful your hamstrings are, bicycles cannot go as fast as automobiles.
 
2013-10-05 01:32:49 PM

Fark It: pueblonative: Okay, I'll wait for you to post up the first story about a bike careening into a car causing thousands of dollars of damage to the other driver not to mention the city that has to repair the median and lightpole the bike took out as well as the cleanup. Then I'll entertain the notion that bike insurance might be a good idea rather than just a tool to punish bikers with.

When a biker does something stupid like run a light or stop sign and gets creamed, the city has to pay the cost of emergency and first responder services.  And if they don't have health insurance then the local hospital is out thousands of dollars.  And in a wreck, a bicyclists body is a meat missile at a high enough speed.  Bikes can damage cars and render them undriveable (it's against the law to drive with a cracked windshield).

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Bicyclist-sentenced-for-fatal-S- F- crash-4736312.php


So you'd be fine with more cyclists on the road as long as they were licensed?
 
2013-10-05 01:34:04 PM

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: FatherChaos: I can understand this.  If you're using a vehicle to travel on tax-funded roads, it needs to be licensed and registered.  Why should bicycles be any different?

Bike riders (adults) pay taxes. They don't pay tax at the pumps, but neither do drivers of electric cars. Putting a plate on a bike is just a money grab, and accomplishes nothing.

/I don't even own a bike.

Seriously, dude? It generates revenue. Same as auto offenders. The difference being is that currently the burden of traffic offenses is unduly carried by cars. Bicyclists that I see in my neighborhood and around about Austin almost never obey traffic laws & I'm sorry, but that has to be addressed.


Bicycle licensing schemes do not generate anywhere near the revenue needed to cover costs, much less make profit.
 
2013-10-05 01:34:19 PM
Great- and make them ALL ride on the roads, in traffic, where licensed vehicles belong!!
 
2013-10-05 01:34:36 PM

Fark It: pueblonative: Okay, I'll wait for you to post up the first story about a bike careening into a car causing thousands of dollars of damage to the other driver not to mention the city that has to repair the median and lightpole the bike took out as well as the cleanup. Then I'll entertain the notion that bike insurance might be a good idea rather than just a tool to punish bikers with.

When a biker does something stupid like run a light or stop sign and gets creamed, the city has to pay the cost of emergency and first responder services.  And if they don't have health insurance


With ACA, everyone will have insurance. So your brilliant "they should have insurance, in case they don't have insurance" problem has already been solved.
 
2013-10-05 01:35:02 PM

pueblonative: As for your little link, I really hope that wasn't your response for my request of link of a bike causing damage by careening into a car.


Are you saying that because bikes can't damage cars (they can), that bicyclists shouldn't have to have insurance?  That insuring against damage to other vehicles is the only reason we require car insurance?  What happens if a bicyclist runs into a pedestrian?
 
2013-10-05 01:35:55 PM

FatherChaos: I can understand this.  If you're using a vehicle to travel on tax-funded roads, it needs to be licensed and registered.  Why should bicycles be any different?


Because. Trucks really wear down roads. Bikes, not so much. Besides, any adult pays road tax, regardless of car ownership.
 
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