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2013-10-05 08:33:48 AM
biatch had it coming.
 
2013-10-05 10:35:24 AM
It was $19 last year too, and I think Idaho was $20 or some other puny amount. I didn't even have to check the article to know what it was talking about.

/Wolves: When you're too manly to believe in the Devil incarnate, but you need something to hate. And besides, you already spent $3000 on ammunition.
 
2013-10-05 10:47:43 AM
www.bellazon.com

OMFG KILL IT!
 
2013-10-05 11:10:07 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

On the case, you betcha!
 
2013-10-05 11:13:22 AM
LittleRed may have had it coming, but too many wolves are being slaughtered in- & out-of-hand. They are vital to balance of nature (semi-tree-hugger typing here)
 
2013-10-05 11:15:41 AM
How much to shoot Little Red Riding Hood?
 
2013-10-05 11:17:15 AM
Wonderful. Why don't we just turn all land west of the Mississippi into grazing land for the benefit of a few rich ranchers.
 
2013-10-05 11:18:19 AM
I think all hunters should follow the "You kill it you eat it" rule.
 
2013-10-05 11:19:18 AM
Only pussies hunt wolves with firearms.
 
2013-10-05 11:19:51 AM

cryinoutloud: It was $19 last year too, and I think Idaho was $20 or some other puny amount. I didn't even have to check the article to know what it was talking about.

/Wolves: When you're too manly to believe in the Devil incarnate, but you need something to hate. And besides, you already spent $3000 on ammunition.


Predator hunting, especially predators big enough to be a decent possible threat, is exciting.  Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Of course, I tend to do things "the hard way", so it's a bit more exciting for me.  Looking forward to my first bear hunt.

/Flintlock or longbow only.
 
2013-10-05 11:20:02 AM
It's a doggy dogg world out there.

www.bornrich.com
 
2013-10-05 11:20:36 AM

laulaja: LittleRed may have had it coming, but too many wolves are being slaughtered in- & out-of-hand. They are vital to balance of nature (semi-tree-hugger typing here)


No they aren't.  Not by sport hunting.
 
2013-10-05 11:20:47 AM

Nick Nostril: rich ranchers


LOL
 
2013-10-05 11:22:08 AM
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service wants to lift federal protections for all gray wolves in the continental United States, except for a struggling population of a subspecies, Mexican wolves, found in the Southwest.

Yeah, the Mexican Wolves are hosed in that scenario (assuming the state involved allows hunting of Gray Wolves.  Most hunters are awesome, but you just know there's going to be inability to distinguish for some people.

A Grey Wolf:

mtnhp.org


A Mexican Gray Wolf:

www.cosmosmith.com

Some obvious differences if you take the time to look at them (my god, that's some coyote in that Mexican subspecies) but boy it's close.
 
2013-10-05 11:22:44 AM
I understand the consequences.

/And don't forget my dog, fixed and consequent
 
2013-10-05 11:24:17 AM

dittybopper: Predator hunting, especially predators big enough to be a decent possible threat, is exciting. Don't knock it until you've tried it.


Uh, no, dittybopper, it isn't. For some of us it's just killing something for no real reason, and you can never make it otherwise, no matter how much you ramble on. And unless you're tracking them down with a rock in your hand, they're not a "threat" either.
 
2013-10-05 11:25:37 AM
dittybopper:Of course, I tend to do things "the hard way", so it's a bit more exciting for me.  Looking forward to my first bear hunt.

/Flintlock or longbow only.


Over bait?  With dogs?  High mountains/open country?  Details, man!

/They're all different experiences.
 
2013-10-05 11:26:21 AM

cryinoutloud: And unless you're tracking them down with a rock in your hand, they're not a "threat" either.


You've never spent a night in the backcountry, I see.
 
2013-10-05 11:26:27 AM

HairBolus: I think all hunters should follow the "You kill it you eat it" rule.


I don't.

I *USED* to think that, and that's actually how I was raised, but when I really sat down and thought about it, it doesn't actually make sense.

There are 3 main kinds of hunting:  Subsistence hunting (hunting purely for food), market hunting (hunting for profit), and sport hunting.

Sport hunting is the only kind of hunting that hasn't resulted in the mass slaughter of species.  Every extinction or near extinction you can point to with hunting as a major factor is either due to market hunting or subsistence hunting.  Why not sport hunting?  Because people who hunt for the enjoyment of it (whether they eat their prey or just hang it's head on their wall) want to keep doing it, so they end up spending a *LOT* of money and political resources to preserve the species and the habitats where they live.

People who are just after the profits that the animal parts can provide them, or are just worried about how to feed their family, don't care about things like that.
 
2013-10-05 11:26:28 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Only pussies hunt wolves with firearms.


Only pussies hunt with firearms.

FTFY
 
2013-10-05 11:28:09 AM

laulaja: LittleRed may have had it coming, but too many wolves are being slaughtered in- & out-of-hand. They are vital to balance of nature (semi-tree-hugger typing here)

Balanced

is they key word.  I'll bet the Montana Department of Fish and Game has people that understand animal husbandry a little better than a cat lady from Cincinnati.
 
2013-10-05 11:28:47 AM

cryinoutloud: dittybopper: Predator hunting, especially predators big enough to be a decent possible threat, is exciting. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Uh, no, dittybopper, it isn't. For some of us it's just killing something for no real reason, and you can never make it otherwise, no matter how much you ramble on. And unless you're tracking them down with a rock in your hand, they're not a "threat" either.


A rock like this?

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-05 11:31:01 AM

cryinoutloud: dittybopper: Predator hunting, especially predators big enough to be a decent possible threat, is exciting. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Uh, no, dittybopper, it isn't. For some of us it's just killing something for no real reason, and you can never make it otherwise, no matter how much you ramble on. And unless you're tracking them down with a rock in your hand, they're not a "threat" either.


Um; wolves are smart, they hunt in packs and are quite capable of killing a person. They can be a legitimate threat. There's a reason why we domesticated them. I agree; they are beautiful animals, that shouldn't be shot out of hand. But, they are threats to people; especially children.
 
2013-10-05 11:31:30 AM

laulaja: LittleRed may have had it coming, but too many wolves are being slaughtered in- & out-of-hand. They are vital to balance of nature (semi-tree-hugger typing here)


I'm not even a little bit of a tree-hugger, but I completely agree. What we as humans need is a higher level predator to put things into perspective. Also, if we had a species that was overpopulated as we were, we'd be issuing hunting permits to thin the herd in order to reduce overcrowding, disease spread, and over-consumption of resources.

HairBolus: I think all hunters should follow the "You kill it you eat it" rule.


In my admittedly unpopular opinion, I believe that anyone who eats meat should have to have killed and cleaned one of their own meals. Something as simple as a pheasant or quail would suffice. Stuffing your gob with random critters rises to a new level when you've had blood and guts on your hands from preparing dinner.
 
2013-10-05 11:34:01 AM

ElLoco: we'd be issuing hunting permits to thin the herd in order to reduce overcrowding, disease spread, and over-consumption of resources.


We do that already.  It's called "war".
 
2013-10-05 11:35:38 AM

dittybopper: ElLoco: we'd be issuing hunting permits to thin the herd in order to reduce overcrowding, disease spread, and over-consumption of resources.

We do that already.  It's called "war".


The bag limit is too low on those permits.
 
2013-10-05 11:36:08 AM
Hope the wolf hunters have a good season.  Fewer wolves is a good thing.
 
2013-10-05 11:48:14 AM
I am fine with hunting as long as we don't eradicate species by just hunting them like crazy. That said, the article states:

"At the beginning of this year, there were only 625 wolves in Montana, a slight drop from the year before. If only 2.1% of hunters issued a permit this year reach their bag limit, the wolf will disappear from Montana altogether."

If they really think there is a possibility that they could kill all of the wolves in Montana, they should pull back. I'm not sure if this article is exaggerating or if Montana DNR is really that irresponsible (I doubt they are).

Anyway, CSB, I have this cousin who lives in Idaho and is really into hunting big animals. He has a bunch of dogs. They hunt mountain lions, bears, moose, etc. He gets tags and follows the rules and it isn't like he is killing these animals left and right but it is *slightly* depressing to see them posed with that bear or to see photos of the mountain lion in the tree.
 
2013-10-05 11:49:48 AM
$19?  Pfft, here in Idaho is it $11.50, unless you are a non-resident then it is $32 or so.
 
2013-10-05 11:50:59 AM
ElLoco:
In my admittedly unpopular opinion, I believe that anyone who eats meat should have to have killed and cleaned one of their own meals. Something as simple as a pheasant or quail would suffice. Stuffing your gob with random critters rises to a new level when you've had blood and guts on your hands from preparing dinner.

I am not a hunter (because I really don't have the stomach for it), but I am cool with this rule. [I don't like to shoot the deer but I don't have a problem with the field dressing.] People who say seeing raw chicken makes them 'sick' or that raw meat looks 'gross' really disturb me. You think a drop of blood on your steak is gross and you STILL EAT MEAT?
 
2013-10-05 11:54:06 AM
www.ibiblio.org
Never saw Montana
 
2013-10-05 11:54:57 AM
Or avenge Gerald Ford.
 
2013-10-05 11:55:09 AM
Pfft. There is no bag limit on coyotes in Ohio. I'm set on meat for a year!
 
2013-10-05 11:56:48 AM

spidermilk: That said, the article states:


The article is full of biased shiat.   The original agreement for the reintroduction of the wolves was to have 100 wolves and 10 breeding pair split between Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana.  We are waaaay over that goal.  If you want to know the updated plans for wolves in these three states, please go see their respective wolf management plans.

Right now wolf populations are above targets set by Montana.
 
2013-10-05 11:58:24 AM
I live in NW Montana near Glacier Park and I can tell you there is most certainly a wolf problem in the backcountry.  It is the main reason why when I go hiking, motorcycle riding, or snowmobiling I always back a handgun.  What I can also tell you is that many of the hunters I know around here (there are a lot of them) spent last year hunting wolves when the season was going on and it is damn hard to get a wolf.  This is not deer hunting where if you just put in the time one will eventually walk in front of your bow/rifle... wolves need to be tracked, patterns have to be established, and then once you find a wolf there are usually several in the area and you have to watch your back when retrieving your kill.  There is NO WAY a single hunting season could even come close to knocking out the wolf population.  The wolves are doing a fantastic job of knocking down the elk population in our state.

When you have a half dozen of these around you, bricks will be shat.

westchesterbowhunting.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-05 11:58:41 AM

HeadLever: spidermilk: That said, the article states:

The article is full of biased shiat.   The original agreement for the reintroduction of the wolves was to have 100 wolves and 10 breeding pair split between Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana.  We are waaaay over that goal.  If you want to know the updated plans for wolves in these three states, please go see their respective wolf management plans.

Right now wolf populations are above targets set by Montana.


You talk as if we shouldn't be hoping the number goes above that target, as it that number is a limit.
 
2013-10-05 12:00:01 PM
So, why can't we (or wolves) hunt humans?  Humans are an invasive species, very much over populated

/625 wolves in all of Montana, and 1,006,000 people...
 
2013-10-05 12:00:43 PM

spidermilk: If they really think there is a possibility that they could kill all of the wolves in Montana, they should pull back. I'm not sure if this article is exaggerating or if Montana DNR is really that irresponsible (I doubt they are).


The state has a vested interest not to kill too many wolves as this would trigger relisting under the Endangered Species Act.  That is the last thing that the state wants.  Anyone that tells you that the states are wanting to exterminate wolves is either ignorant or outright lying.

Never mind the fact that sport hunting is not going to ever achieve this result.  To exterminate wolves you are going to have to go back to poisoning.
 
2013-10-05 12:03:43 PM

JosephFinn: You talk as if we shouldn't be hoping the number goes above that target, as it that number is a limit


The target population is the ideal population set by the states.  The populations go above that and they loosen up on the rules.  They go below that, they tighten the rules up some.   That is how management typically works.  Since current wolf populations are above target populations, they are loosening up on the rules by keeping tag prices low, extending the seasons, implementing trapping seasons, etc.
 
2013-10-05 12:04:43 PM
For $50 extra, you can have one of the local co-eds dress up like Little Red Riding Hood.
 
2013-10-05 12:07:45 PM

Redroc: The wolves are doing a fantastic job of knocking down the elk population in our state.


That is one of the biggest reasons that states are trying to get the wolf populations under control.  We have several hunting units here in Idaho where there is no more elk hunting since elk populations are so low.  The primary cause (though not the only one) is wolf predation.
 
2013-10-05 12:10:44 PM

cryinoutloud: /Wolves: When you're too manly to believe in the Devil incarnate,

 but you need something to hate.

Is this what hippies really believe?
 
2013-10-05 12:10:56 PM

Redroc: I live in NW Montana near Glacier Park and I can tell you there is most certainly a wolf problem in the backcountry.  It is the main reason why when I go hiking, motorcycle riding, or snowmobiling I always back a handgun.  What I can also tell you is that many of the hunters I know around here (there are a lot of them) spent last year hunting wolves when the season was going on and it is damn hard to get a wolf.  This is not deer hunting where if you just put in the time one will eventually walk in front of your bow/rifle... wolves need to be tracked, patterns have to be established, and then once you find a wolf there are usually several in the area and you have to watch your back when retrieving your kill.  There is NO WAY a single hunting season could even come close to knocking out the wolf population.  The wolves are doing a fantastic job of knocking down the elk population in our state.

When you have a half dozen of these around you, bricks will be shat.

[westchesterbowhunting.files.wordpress.com image 640x854]



http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/idwolves.asp

Urban Legend.
 
2013-10-05 12:11:42 PM

HeadLever: Redroc: The wolves are doing a fantastic job of knocking down the elk population in our state.

That is one of the biggest reasons that states are trying to get the wolf populations under control.  We have several hunting units here in Idaho where there is no more elk hunting since elk populations are so low.  The primary cause (though not the only one) is wolf predation.


elk population has so little to do with wolves it's hilarious that anyone could ever be told something like that and believe it.
 
2013-10-05 12:13:15 PM
I really hate the idea of senseless killing, but wolves would hunt my human ass or those of my children or my family dog in a heartbeat.

/There's a reason wolves were eradicated.
 
2013-10-05 12:14:49 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Urban Legend.


Why?  That is defiantly a grey wolf, is it not?
 
2013-10-05 12:15:11 PM

Redroc: I live in NW Montana near Glacier Park and I can tell you there is most certainly a wolf problem in the backcountry.


No, there's a human problem in N. America.  We've decimated elk, bison, wolves and many other species.

Additionally, the scientific research shows that wolves are not the boogeyman that hunters make them out to be:

Idaho F&G: Wolves not causing most elk losses

Study Finds Mixed Wolf Impacts On Elk Populations-
Not all elk populations respond in the same manner when faced with sharing the landscape with wolves, a new report by Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks suggests.
Researchers who spent the past seven years measuring the populations and behavior of elk in Montana found that elk numbers in some areas of southwestern Montana have dropped rapidly due mostly to the loss of elk calves targeted by wolves and grizzly bears that inhabit the same area. The same study, led by FWP and Montana State University, also suggests that in some areas of western Montana elk numbers have increased while hunter-harvests of elk have decreased, with little apparent influence by local wolf packs on elk numbers.
"One-size-fits-all explanations of wolf-elk interactions across large landscapes do not seem to exist," said Justin Gude, FWP's chief of wildlife research in Helena.


 
2013-10-05 12:15:27 PM

Redroc: I live in NW Montana near Glacier Park and I can tell you there is most certainly a wolf problem in the backcountry.  It is the main reason why when I go hiking, motorcycle riding, or snowmobiling I always back a handgun.  What I can also tell you is that many of the hunters I know around here (there are a lot of them) spent last year hunting wolves when the season was going on and it is damn hard to get a wolf.  This is not deer hunting where if you just put in the time one will eventually walk in front of your bow/rifle... wolves need to be tracked, patterns have to be established, and then once you find a wolf there are usually several in the area and you have to watch your back when retrieving your kill.  There is NO WAY a single hunting season could even come close to knocking out the wolf population.  The wolves are doing a fantastic job of knocking down the elk population in our state.

When you have a half dozen of these around you, bricks will be shat.


I love how people think wolves aren't a threat to people. They're big, fast, quiet, smart, and work in packs like humans did. The only reason few of us ever have to worry is because they aren't around anymore.
 
2013-10-05 12:17:21 PM

Redroc: The wolves are doing a fantastic job of knocking down the elk population in our state.


Wolves gonna be wolves. It's what they do. Are they all up in our bidness, or are we all up in theirs?

I don't have a strong feeling either way. I'm not going to pull the trigger on a wolf, but I understand why livestock ranchers would. Personally, I only shoot vegetarians.

/I've now Farkied you as a "Montanner." I keep track like that. Howdy, neighbor!
 
2013-10-05 12:17:22 PM

spentshells: elk population has so little to do with wolves it's hilarious that anyone could ever be told something like that and believe it.


Want to know how I know that you are ignorant on the subject?
 
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