If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Xinhua)   Nine in ten Americans are unhappy with Washington, D.C. The other one in ten is a Jacksonville Jaguars fan who has an account at Bank of America and loves to fly United   (news.xinhuanet.com) divider line 110
    More: Fail, Washington DC, Americans, U.S., U.S. House Speaker John Boehner  
•       •       •

789 clicks; posted to Politics » on 05 Oct 2013 at 11:19 AM (40 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



110 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-10-05 01:44:44 PM

anfrind: un4gvn666: I'm pretty pissed off at congressional Republicans, and I have a Bank of America account.

/what? Their ATMs are convenient

FYI, if a credit union is a member of the Credit Union Network, then a member can use the ATMs of any other credit union in the network, with no ATM fees.  And there are smartphone apps that will locate the nearest in-network ATM, no matter where in the country you are.



Yep, my Credit Union has that. They're also members of another network that has ATMs in every Target and CVS Pharmacy in the country, so I can use those without paying a fee, too. And automatic payroll deposits get posted to my account a day earlier, Wednesday instead of Thursday. And they don't try to rope me into all sorts of extra service charge features like my old bank used to.


</threadjack>
 
2013-10-05 03:01:13 PM

Cyclometh: foo monkey: I get how the debt part relates to post-civil war, but I don't get how it applies here.

The 14th is pretty clear. You cannot commit an act that calls into question the validity of the debt of the US. Refusing to raise the debt ceiling does that. I'm not sure the President needs to punish them, but he could in theory issue an executive order that the Treasury will continue to service the debt. If he does THAT, impeachment is a foregone conclusion, but so is an acquittal by the Senate.

In the end, the fact that there is a debt ceiling at all is probably not Constitutional, as it violates the 14th Amendment merely by existing.


Refusing to raise the debt ceiling does not call into question the validity of the current debt.

"..But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States.."
Who determines that? Would arming drug cartels void portions of the debt incurred by the doj?
 
2013-10-05 04:06:43 PM

Phil McKraken: Why don't they pass a temporary spending bill at previous levels for the time being? Why is that a difficult thing to do?


Difficult?  Probably not.  Problem is that in 2010 we started electing people to congress who ran on a platform of hating the government (although they still wanted to work for it) and wanting to f/ck the government up just to point and say "See! I told you so!  Look at how f/cked up the government is."

We're getting what we voted for, and we probably won't be completely rid of the teabaggers until after the first election after the redistricting in 2020.  So we've got nearly another decade of our own congress trying to destroy us/itself.
 
2013-10-05 04:12:45 PM

knowless: Refusing to raise the debt ceiling does not call into question the validity of the current debt.


Yes, it would. Servicing the debt already incurred is necessary in order to avoid default and running afoul of the 14th.
 
2013-10-05 05:17:02 PM
You know what, it's been nice knowing you all, but I'm getting to the point where I'm not sure this thing is going to end without Civil War II: The Wrath of the Teabaggers.  I really hope not, but at some point the gulf between people is unbridgeable, and I think we have reached that point.
 
2013-10-05 05:18:45 PM
Addendum: Not to say I'd like to see it end in violence.  Not at all.  I just someone finally realizes that destroying this nation and the global economy isn't worth it to stick it to the blah guy.
 
2013-10-05 07:29:24 PM

Dr. Whoof: Addendum: Not to say I'd like to see it end in violence.  Not at all.  I just someone finally realizes that destroying this nation and the global economy isn't worth it to stick it to the blah guy.


You accidentally a word that changes the entire meaning of your post.
 
2013-10-05 07:42:39 PM

Gyrfalcon: Dr. Whoof: Addendum: Not to say I'd like to see it end in violence.  Not at all.  I just someone finally realizes that destroying this nation and the global economy isn't worth it to stick it to the blah guy.

You accidentally a word that changes the entire meaning of your post.


I did, yes, I missed the word "hope", but then it's in short supply these days.
 
2013-10-05 07:57:56 PM

Cyclometh: vpb: Cyclometh: I think until the 17th.  Once the house violates the 14th amendment by causing a default I think Obama can just ignore them and their debt ceiling.

If he does that we move into full-blown Constitutional crisis. The House would impeach, there still wouldn't be a functioning government, and the economy would probably take a gut punch.

No, we would move into a full blown Constitutioanl crisis when the House allows the government to go into default.

But if the House wants to impeach the president for acting to save the nation from the house republicans unconstitutional action, let them.  The senate will just aquit him and the Supreme Court will either not intervene or support the President because the only other option is allowing the economy to collapse.

Then a precident is established and the House will have pissed away one of it's historical powers.

I really think that the GOP will regret forcing a constitutional crisis and I don't think they will be able to shife the blame to Obama.

I think that's a reasonable scenario, but the POTUS will want to avoid impeachment.

Actually, if I were him I'd be embracing it. "You hillbillies want to impeach the first black President, the guy that brought affordable healthcare to the country, right after you shut down the government and threatened to destroy the world economy? OK, let's dance."


He should be running with the idea. Because if the House tries and fails, he's politically bulletproof. He can push for damn near anything he wants, good or bad, because the threat of impeachment was used up. Any future attempts look like immature whinings, and President Obama can literally ignore Congress. Let them have daily impeachment hearings, he wouldn't have to show up to a single one and answer questions.
 
2013-10-05 09:45:16 PM
Nine in ten Americans are unhappy with Washington, D.C. The other one in ten is a Jacksonville Jaguars fan who has an account at Bank of America and loves to fly United

At least you didn't say he likes to fly US Airways.

Because then you would just be crossing the line subby. That would be slander.
 
Displayed 10 of 110 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report