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(Fox 5 San Diego)   91% of IRS workers have been furloughed since the government shutdown. Well, that pretty much just cancels any arguments to get things up and running again   (fox5sandiego.com) divider line 42
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2013-10-05 08:18:36 AM
Judging from the media reports about the shut down I'd seen so far, I was starting to think that the only thing the US federal government did was related to war memorials and national parks. Oh, and killing people, but that's obviously an essential service.

I have a bit of a hard time believing that so many people want to visit war memorials on any given day though. Smells funny from here...
 
2013-10-05 10:08:10 AM
I'm sure that Romney and the Koch brothers are quite pleased with this outcome. 

Not to mention Exxon.
 
2013-10-05 10:34:47 AM
While nobody likes paying taxes, I will say this: dealing with the IRS due to some financial confusion was easily one of the best customer service experiences I've had in my life. I had overpaid a significant amount due to some confusion about what was actually my income, and while it took a few months to get the money back, they were helpful and responsive, and clearly established what was going to happen and when I could expect the refund.
 
2013-10-05 10:55:06 AM
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2013-10-05 11:05:35 AM
Good.  Now is the time to start the Fair Tax.  Now is also the time to hang congress on general principals.
 
2013-10-05 11:08:43 AM
Oh, great... when they get back to work after not getting paid for a few weeks they're going to be pissed off.

Swell. Everyone gets an audit.
 
2013-10-05 11:11:52 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Good.  Now is the time to start the Fair Tax.  Now is also the time to hang congress on general principals.


The Fair Tax, LOL. (Nice BSAB, too.)
 
2013-10-05 11:18:17 AM
LOL.  I'm sure if the national debt explodes because there's no revenue, subby will blame Obama.
 
2013-10-05 11:21:01 AM

t3knomanser: While nobody likes paying taxes, I will say this: dealing with the IRS due to some financial confusion was easily one of the best customer service experiences I've had in my life. I had overpaid a significant amount due to some confusion about what was actually my income, and while it took a few months to get the money back, they were helpful and responsive, and clearly established what was going to happen and when I could expect the refund.


This.  IRS hatred is overblown.  They automatically kick in fines and other crazy stuff, but once you get a person on the phone a lot of that can be erased in a matter of minutes.  They're actually better than most financial organizations.

I don't mind paying taxes.  It pains me to know that some of my tax money is being used to buy meth and crack and other treasonous terrorist items for the tea party, but most of it is going to half-decent things, even if they are inefficient.
 
2013-10-05 11:23:16 AM
As someone waiting on sizeable(to me) refunds from recently sending in three years of amended returns...I'm not getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-10-05 11:25:27 AM
I'd love to deal with the IRS, but as such, me paying 0 taxes doesn't seem to work for them. No, really. Ellison or Gates can pay my share, I'm not interested.
 
2013-10-05 11:25:58 AM
IRS is asleep. Evade taxes.
 
2013-10-05 11:46:05 AM
Hey everyone, lay off Subby.  He's just returned from is tax-free paradise of Somalia and knows what he's talking about!
 
2013-10-05 11:56:44 AM

Sugarbombs: t3knomanser: While nobody likes paying taxes, I will say this: dealing with the IRS due to some financial confusion was easily one of the best customer service experiences I've had in my life. I had overpaid a significant amount due to some confusion about what was actually my income, and while it took a few months to get the money back, they were helpful and responsive, and clearly established what was going to happen and when I could expect the refund.

This.  IRS hatred is overblown.  They automatically kick in fines and other crazy stuff, but once you get a person on the phone a lot of that can be erased in a matter of minutes.  They're actually better than most financial organizations.

I don't mind paying taxes.  It pains me to know that some of my tax money is being used to buy meth and crack and other treasonous terrorist items for the tea party, but most of it is going to half-decent things, even if they are inefficient.


HAHAHAHA!!! ... even when nice, my experience with them is generally you need to fill out 50 forms, mail it in, wait 2 months and get a response.  Sure, unless you happen to get the one IRS employee that's not a lazy fark or asshole.

I miss my late GS12 IRS friend.  Only used his help once, but it was quick and easy.  Fax him in a request to "ask him for more help again", he'd call and poof would go the issue.

Employees in collections are pressured to not problem solve, only collect.  By problem solve, I mean actually providing solutions to make paying what's owed not a crippling experience.
 
2013-10-05 11:59:33 AM

VTGremlin: As someone waiting on sizeable(to me) refunds from recently sending in three years of amended returns...I'm not getting a kick out of this.


It's worse than that. The IRS is instrumental in providing credit information companies with the info they need to make decisions about things like giving you a mortgage. IIRC Wells Fargo has stopped home loans during the shutdown for just this reason
 
2013-10-05 12:17:42 PM

divx88: Sugarbombs: t3knomanser: While nobody likes paying taxes, I will say this: dealing with the IRS due to some financial confusion was easily one of the best customer service experiences I've had in my life. I had overpaid a significant amount due to some confusion about what was actually my income, and while it took a few months to get the money back, they were helpful and responsive, and clearly established what was going to happen and when I could expect the refund.

This.  IRS hatred is overblown.  They automatically kick in fines and other crazy stuff, but once you get a person on the phone a lot of that can be erased in a matter of minutes.  They're actually better than most financial organizations.

I don't mind paying taxes.  It pains me to know that some of my tax money is being used to buy meth and crack and other treasonous terrorist items for the tea party, but most of it is going to half-decent things, even if they are inefficient.

HAHAHAHA!!! ... even when nice, my experience with them is generally you need to fill out 50 forms, mail it in, wait 2 months and get a response.  Sure, unless you happen to get the one IRS employee that's not a lazy fark or asshole.

I miss my late GS12 IRS friend.  Only used his help once, but it was quick and easy.  Fax him in a request to "ask him for more help again", he'd call and poof would go the issue.

Employees in collections are pressured to not problem solve, only collect.  By problem solve, I mean actually providing solutions to make paying what's owed not a crippling experience.


Employees in collections are still people, and forget about their pressures once you hit the right note.  Having an in helps, but something tells me you weren't being 'nice.'

I've had a $1000 (rough average) bill forgiven twice due to niceness.  You may want to re-evaluate your strategy.
 
2013-10-05 01:03:39 PM

Sugarbombs: divx88: Sugarbombs: t3knomanser: While nobody likes paying taxes, I will say this: dealing with the IRS due to some financial confusion was easily one of the best customer service experiences I've had in my life. I had overpaid a significant amount due to some confusion about what was actually my income, and while it took a few months to get the money back, they were helpful and responsive, and clearly established what was going to happen and when I could expect the refund.

This.  IRS hatred is overblown.  They automatically kick in fines and other crazy stuff, but once you get a person on the phone a lot of that can be erased in a matter of minutes.  They're actually better than most financial organizations.

I don't mind paying taxes.  It pains me to know that some of my tax money is being used to buy meth and crack and other treasonous terrorist items for the tea party, but most of it is going to half-decent things, even if they are inefficient.

HAHAHAHA!!! ... even when nice, my experience with them is generally you need to fill out 50 forms, mail it in, wait 2 months and get a response.  Sure, unless you happen to get the one IRS employee that's not a lazy fark or asshole.

I miss my late GS12 IRS friend.  Only used his help once, but it was quick and easy.  Fax him in a request to "ask him for more help again", he'd call and poof would go the issue.

Employees in collections are pressured to not problem solve, only collect.  By problem solve, I mean actually providing solutions to make paying what's owed not a crippling experience.

Employees in collections are still people, and forget about their pressures once you hit the right note.  Having an in helps, but something tells me you weren't being 'nice.'

I've had a $1000 (rough average) bill forgiven twice due to niceness.  You may want to re-evaluate your strategy.


I'm always nice when I need something from someone.  You don't get help being a prick to someone.  Generally are shoved off as quickly as possible if you have a poor demeanor.  Majority of IRS are lazy assholes.  Bored, lazy, soul sucking assholes who delight in creating misery.  Not all, but enough to say most.

If you do happen to strike gold and get a helpful IRS agent needing you to do something before they can further assist you, be sure to jot down their Id and ask for a fax number.  Highly likely the next individual will be a prick.
 
2013-10-05 01:28:35 PM
The government still gets your money from withholding, just now they don't have the people to return the excess money that was withheld.
 
2013-10-05 01:32:34 PM
An acquaintance of mine is an IRS auditor who works on large corporate audits that can carry penalties that run into seven or eight figure amounts. He's a GS15, I think.
He's under threat of termination if he even turns on his IRS-provided laptop, so he spent most of last week fishing, and his personal joke is that he's not going to shave until he gets called back to work.
 
2013-10-05 03:00:31 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Good.  Now is the time to start the Fair Tax.  Now is also the time to hang congress on general principals.


Plop
 
2013-10-05 03:39:41 PM
Furloughed government workers are going to get back pay if the Senate passes the bill (which the House already did). Plus all the hourly workers are probably going to get overtime just in time for Christmas shopping.

I'd love to be an IRS agent right now.
 
2013-10-05 05:04:23 PM
Maybe they can go get non-parasitic jobs somewhere and actually earn their money for once.
 
2013-10-05 05:08:34 PM

ajgeek: Furloughed government workers are going to get back pay if the Senate passes the bill


Historically, they have gotten back pay every time the Government has shut down.

I'm sure it would suck if you were living paycheck to paycheck, but if you have enough padding in the bank this is basically yet another paid vacation from a Federal employee's perspective.
 
2013-10-05 05:12:47 PM
All the defense workers are coming back.
 
2013-10-05 05:19:15 PM
The USSR is here. They say they heard about your government shutdown and they're here to help.
 
2013-10-05 05:20:46 PM
I thought the USSR was extinct.

That's what it wanted you to think. Apparently they have their own way to run things without taxation. They keep what they want and you can have the left overs. If you're good. Good and lucky.
 
2013-10-05 05:26:22 PM
So Communists take what you want and leave you whatever dribbles down their chins?

Yes.

What is this system called?

Capitalism. In the USSR, it is State Capitalism, in the US and the UK it is Free Market Capitalsm, and in the rest of the world, it is Kleptocracy or Croney Capitalism. But it all works the same way: they take what they want, and sell the rest to you at crazy prices, usually crazy high prices.

Taxation is resented in all forms of capitalism as it takes food from the mouths of rich people who can't even work up enough spit afterwards to spit on you peasants.
 
2013-10-05 05:43:56 PM
man.. the apathy I feel toward the whole of our govt is alarming.  Moreso considering I know I'm far from alone in that feeling.
 
2013-10-05 08:43:13 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Good.  Now is the time to start the Fair Tax.  Now is also the time to hang congress on general principals.


This! However I would give the congress the option to do the right thing and committ hari kari on the capitol steps.
 
2013-10-05 10:52:54 PM

t3knomanser: While nobody likes paying taxes, I will say this: dealing with the IRS due to some financial confusion was easily one of the best customer service experiences I've had in my life. I had overpaid a significant amount due to some confusion about what was actually my income, and while it took a few months to get the money back, they were helpful and responsive, and clearly established what was going to happen and when I could expect the refund.


I filed my deceased mother's tax return and discovered that some fraudster had already filed on her SSN and claimed an enormous refund. I dreaded calling the IRS, because I figured I was in for some pure hell. Each person I talked to was incredibly polite and professional. They told me exactly what documents I needed to provide and what time frame I was looking at. Eventually, the identity fraud was corrected, and my mother's refund was sent to me. I cannot complain about the IRS. They completely treated me right.
 
2013-10-05 11:18:30 PM

ajgeek: Furloughed government workers are going to get back pay if the Senate passes the bill (which the House already did). Plus all the hourly workers are probably going to get overtime just in time for Christmas shopping.

I'd love to be an IRS agent right now.


Find a furloughed employee and ask them how much they are loving it, then get back to us with real world experience rather than repeating bullshiat you just read on Free Republic.
 
2013-10-05 11:46:57 PM

Lost Thought 00: Find a furloughed employee and ask them how much they are loving it, then get back to us with real world experience rather than repeating bullshiat you just read on Free Republic.


Oh for the love of... it's been 4 bloody days. They aren't starving in the streets. And they bloody well will be getting back pay! The Senate would be utterly insane to not pass this.

Also, what the hell is Free Republic? I came to this conclusion using at least two of my brain cells.
 
2013-10-06 12:05:32 AM

SJKebab: Judging from the media reports about the shut down I'd seen so far, I was starting to think that the only thing the US federal government did was related to war memorials and national parks. Oh, and killing people, but that's obviously an essential service.

I have a bit of a hard time believing that so many people want to visit war memorials on any given day though. Smells funny from here...


I was vacationing on Oahu last week and specifically wanted to go to Pearl Harbor, so there's one example.
 
2013-10-06 12:53:54 AM
divx88:
I'm always nice when I need something from someone.  You don't get help being a prick to someone.

I had a good experience the last time I called the IRS. The person I talked to sounded like she was harassed, but overall I felt I got better customer service than is typical when I talk to a bank or whatever in the private sector.

If someone makes you jump through hoops it's not necessarily because they are lazy; it might just be that their rules and computer systems are set up that way, possibly to protect taxpayer privacy or something.
 
2013-10-06 01:37:03 AM

ajgeek: Plus all the hourly workers are probably going to get overtime just in time for Christmas shopping.


Except for the ones who are contractors and were told to stay home. They're just taking a 100% pay cut until this is over.
 
2013-10-06 03:30:17 AM

ajgeek: Lost Thought 00: Find a furloughed employee and ask them how much they are loving it, then get back to us with real world experience rather than repeating bullshiat you just read on Free Republic.

Oh for the love of... it's been 4 bloody days. They aren't starving in the streets. And they bloody well will be getting back pay! The Senate would be utterly insane to not pass this.

Also, what the hell is Free Republic? I came to this conclusion using at least two of my brain cells.



I'm not a government civilian, but I work around a lot of them, and every one of them is happy for the extended vacation.  As long as you aren't living paycheck paycheck (and on average a government employee makes more than their private counterpart), a few weeks off shouldn't be much of an issue.

I'm quite jealous because we're picking up their slack, and in the end they'll just get back-paid for not being at work.
 
2013-10-06 05:51:59 AM

SJKebab: Judging from the media reports about the shut down I'd seen so far, I was starting to think that the only thing the US federal government did was related to war memorials and national parks. Oh, and killing people, but that's obviously an essential service.

I have a bit of a hard time believing that so many people want to visit war memorials on any given day though. Smells funny from here...


Psycho conspiracy theory that I cant get out of my head:

Do elections happen if the government is shut down?  Sorry, I just dont see these sides agreeing ever, and if there is no real consequence, why would they ever start the government back up.  If elections are part of the government, they could stay in office forever.

/ if.  I dont know. Google fails me.  so many articles on the shutdown, and no one seems to have brought this up.
 
2013-10-06 11:12:32 AM
I sound fat:
Psycho conspiracy theory that I cant get out of my head:

Do elections happen if the government is shut down?  Sorry, I just dont see these sides agreeing ever, and if there is no real consequence, why would they ever start the government back up.  If elections are part of the government, they could stay in office forever.

/ if.  I dont know. Google fails me.  so many articles on the shutdown, and no one seems to have brought this up.


The shut down only covers discretionary spending elections would not fall into that category.
 
2013-10-06 06:28:29 PM
I have a friend at the IRS who's been out of work this week. I think she files for unemployment next week. Way to go, GOP. Put people out of work and then get mad at them for not working.
 
2013-10-06 06:32:18 PM
What's the point of even doing these furloughs if we're just going to give everyone back pay? The government won't even have the silver lining of saving any money, so we might as well just keep everyone at work.
 
2013-10-06 08:57:24 PM

SJKebab: I have a bit of a hard time believing that so many people want to visit war memorials on any given day though. Smells funny from here...


For those of us not super old it is hard to wrap your head around.  The stats are mind blowing:

Over 16 million Americans served in the military during WWII.  Well over a million are still alive.  According to veterans affairs, about 670 die every day.

It wasn't until 2004 that they even HAD a national memorial to their service.  This is what the honor flights are about.  To me the memorial itself is old fashioned and boring, but it wasn't made for me.  It's a bunch of state flags in a circle.  More moving is seeing a ton of old guys, some of them with buddies, some with their ladies, some with service caps on, some just standing very quietly, some crying openly. It's pretty farked up and surreal.  Plus it's right there in the middle of the national mall, close to the Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Vietnam Vets, Korean War, etc memorials.  Anyone visiting any of those would make the side trip.

So, not hard for me to believe at all.
 
2013-10-06 10:13:12 PM

Sugarbombs: It pains me to know that some of my tax money is being used to buy meth and crack and other treasonous terrorist items for the tea party, but most of it is going to half-decent things, even if they are inefficient.


so as a taxpayer, dont you want to see your tribute to society benefit as many deserving people as possible?  people take the stance on system abuse as "Meh, as long as it helps some people, I'm okay with it" without considering how many more people could be helped or how many people actually need help and cant get it because there are leeches bleeding the system dry.
 
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