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(Chicago Trib)   United Airlines hoping thinner seats will pack even more passengers onto planes   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 30
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2013-10-05 08:13:36 AM  
Interesting that United has seemingly taken ownership of these jets to brag up their new seating. So why is it when on of them crashes, they go nuts pointing out the little jets are owned by different companies and they merely contract with them for service?
 
2013-10-05 08:46:08 AM  
"Thank you for flying with United Airlines, your seat is...."

"Everyone inhale!"

"...right here, sir."
 
2013-10-05 08:47:45 AM  
Now you can feel with even more clarity the playful digs of the small kicking child behind you.
 
2013-10-05 10:35:40 AM  
Thanks for reminding me again why I never fly United.
 
2013-10-05 10:37:37 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Now you can feel with even more clarity the playful digs of the small kicking child behind you.


A small kicking child!  What is it?
 
2013-10-05 10:52:59 AM  
Good for them.  I don't see anything in the article that notes that the seats are more uncomfortable than their previous seats, which were modeled after DMV waiting room chairs.

Also, what's the ROI on making an anal change like this?  5 flights per plane?  500 flights?
 
2013-10-05 10:57:50 AM  
So, you have to be a stick figure with no pelvis whatsoever in order to fly these days, huh?
 
2013-10-05 11:29:28 AM  

TV's Vinnie: So, you have to be a stick figure with no pelvis whatsoever in order to fly these days, huh?


Slimmer, not narrower.

If you can shave off even an inch per seat depth, that's two feet of extra space for the average 22-25 row aircraft. Make it 1.5 inches and you have enough room for another row.
 
2013-10-05 11:37:33 AM  
Go be fat somewhere else says UAL.
 
2013-10-05 11:38:00 AM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: TV's Vinnie: So, you have to be a stick figure with no pelvis whatsoever in order to fly these days, huh?

Slimmer, not narrower.

If you can shave off even an inch per seat depth, that's two feet of extra space for the average 22-25 row aircraft. Make it 1.5 inches and you have enough room for another row.


Obviously, you've never had to fly in one of these pelvis-crunching vices for hours at a time in a  big metal tube.
 
2013-10-05 11:45:27 AM  
From a different article;

"The airline says it's going to retrofit 152 of its planes with slim line seats reducing the seat size from 18 inches to 17 inches."

So yes, they are narrower.  That's how they get more in.  If the chair was the same width but only the back was narrower, it would be physically impossible to get more of them on the aircraft.

Just measured my shoulder width at 22".  I'm not a huge guy, but I do have wide shoulders.  That means I'll be about 2.5" into each of my neighbor's seats.  Hope they're very small, or this will be very uncomfortable very fast.
 
2013-10-05 11:47:00 AM  

Generation_D: Thanks for reminding me again why I never fly United.


You think Delta and American aren't going to do this, too? No one wants to be first, but once someone is first, everyone wants to be next.

Good luck with alternatives. The penny-pincher who owns Spirit airlines is buying Frontier so he can Spirit-fy it. Southwest no longer offers anything close to low fares. And JetBlue is no longer one-size-fits-all. The entire industry is converging towards a uniform level of suck.
 
2013-10-05 11:55:42 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: From a different article;

"The airline says it's going to retrofit 152 of its planes with slim line seats reducing the seat size from 18 inches to 17 inches."

So yes, they are narrower.  That's how they get more in.  If the chair was the same width but only the back was narrower, it would be physically impossible to get more of them on the aircraft.

Just measured my shoulder width at 22".  I'm not a huge guy, but I do have wide shoulders.  That means I'll be about 2.5" into each of my neighbor's seats.  Hope they're very small, or this will be very uncomfortable very fast.


From the context of the article, it's clear that 'thinner' means the depth of the seat, the front-to-back distance, not the side-to-side. Shave enough off each seat and you get enough to add another row.
 
2013-10-05 12:22:06 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Generation_D: Thanks for reminding me again why I never fly United.

You think Delta and American aren't going to do this, too? No one wants to be first, but once someone is first, everyone wants to be next.

Good luck with alternatives. The penny-pincher who owns Spirit airlines is buying Frontier so he can Spirit-fy it. Southwest no longer offers anything close to low fares. And JetBlue is no longer one-size-fits-all. The entire industry is converging towards a uniform level of suck.




AA started doing this 3 years ago.
 
2013-10-05 01:18:29 PM  

FrancoFile: BumpInTheNight: Now you can feel with even more clarity the playful digs of the small kicking child behind you.

A small kicking child!  What is it?


It's the creature that sat behind me between JFK and Frankfurt.
 
2013-10-05 01:33:00 PM  
The farts will permeate through the seats that much faster.
 
2013-10-05 03:34:06 PM  
My first thought was, "Ah, another excuse to get to charge fatties for an extra seat, which in the U.S. is pretty much everyone."

Here's a thought, make the seats slimmer and not change the layout giving people a little more leg room. When I have to duck walk to get in and out with my size 13 clodhoppers there's a problem.

/and no, I'm not cutting off toes to fix this.
 
2013-10-05 03:49:17 PM  
At this point i would not fly unless i had no choice.
 
2013-10-05 04:03:54 PM  
Thinner seats, now with less strength!
 
2013-10-05 04:05:30 PM  

jjorsett: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: From a different article;

"The airline says it's going to retrofit 152 of its planes with slim line seats reducing the seat size from 18 inches to 17 inches."

So yes, they are narrower.  That's how they get more in.  If the chair was the same width but only the back was narrower, it would be physically impossible to get more of them on the aircraft.

Just measured my shoulder width at 22".  I'm not a huge guy, but I do have wide shoulders.  That means I'll be about 2.5" into each of my neighbor's seats.  Hope they're very small, or this will be very uncomfortable very fast.

From the context of the article, it's clear that 'thinner' means the depth of the seat, the front-to-back distance, not the side-to-side. Shave enough off each seat and you get enough to add another row.


Also, perhaps equally (if not more) important, it sounds like they're significantly lighter, which over the course of an entire plane flying around for a year adds up in saving fuel costs.
 
2013-10-05 04:43:20 PM  
maybe they could just load us into the planes in those big UPS cargo bins. stack us like cordwood. you're just a farking a customer, you know, an asshole.
 
2013-10-05 06:57:01 PM  

edmo: Interesting that United has seemingly taken ownership of these jets to brag up their new seating. So why is it when on of them crashes, they go nuts pointing out the little jets are owned by different companies and they merely contract with them for service?


It's called passing the buck, duh.
 
2013-10-05 10:20:21 PM  
Oblig.

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2013-10-05 11:28:16 PM  
Terrible f*cking airline that benefited massively from 9/11. Without the airline bailout they were on the path to collapse. Never on time, horrible employees, cramped planes. F*ck them.
 
2013-10-06 07:43:55 AM  
I flew on a United ERJ-170. Once.
 
2013-10-06 11:03:33 AM  

Sugarbombs: Also, what's the ROI on making an anal change like this?


50% faster bowel movements with 25% less toilet paper used per incident.
 
2013-10-06 11:12:32 AM  

Nick Nostril: maybe they could just load us into the planes in those big UPS cargo bins. stack us like cordwood. you're just a farking a customer, you know, an asshole.


Waiting for the day these become the norm:

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It's like you're getting on one of those new-fangled rollercoasters from the mid-90's, except this ride is 5 hours of suck.
 
2013-10-06 12:15:50 PM  

phamwaa: FrancoFile: BumpInTheNight: Now you can feel with even more clarity the playful digs of the small kicking child behind you.

A small kicking child!  What is it?

It's the creature that sat behind me between JFK and Frankfurt.



But that's not important right now...
 
2013-10-06 12:26:53 PM  
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/perhaps the solution is thinner passengers.
 
2013-10-06 11:14:20 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: TV's Vinnie: So, you have to be a stick figure with no pelvis whatsoever in order to fly these days, huh?

Slimmer, not narrower.

If you can shave off even an inch per seat depth, that's two feet of extra space for the average 22-25 row aircraft. Make it 1.5 inches and you have enough room for another row.

Obviously, you've never had to fly in one of these pelvis-crunching vices for hours at a time in a  big metal tube.


Last year I spent 460 hours in the air, and I'll probably break 400 again this year. Haven't run across any pelvis-crunchers yet (knee-crunchers, yes), and that includes Bombardiers, Fokkers and Embraers.
 
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