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(Washington Post) NewsFlash BREAKING: House Democrats announce they will bring discharge petition to the floor of the House to pass a clean CR, circumventing the Speaker and the House Majority   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 718
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2013-10-05 09:31:28 AM
That's rich.  Don't take responsibility for your own actions, blame the GOP, then force them to accept your fiscally irresponsible healthcare law at legislative gunpoint.  Fark you dems.
 
2013-10-05 09:50:50 AM

Silverstaff: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this

Yes, they have the votes for a clean CR, but Boehner won't let it come to the floor because he's afraid of the Tea Party, and because of the
of the "Hastert Rule".

The "Hastert Rule" is a policy/rule that was adopted by former Speaker Dennis Hastert, which says that no legislation can be brought up for a vote unless it has the support of a majority of the ruling party.  In other words, you can't have the entire minority party plus some people crossing the aisle to support legislation, the majority party must back it.  Formally, Boehner never adopted the Hastert Rule as an operating rule of the House, but he's never broken it either, always requiring a majority of the Republicans before bringing anything to a vote.

So it replaces democratic rule with rule by The Party.  Only legislation approved by The Party may be voted on, even if a majority of congressmen approve of it.

Combine that with the fact that the Republicans are living in fear of two things:
1. Getting "primaried" by the Tea Party if they are not ideologically pure enough.
2. Obamacare actually succeeding and making their last 3 years of pure derp look extra foolish.

. . .and you've got a recipe for them being willing to keep things shut down indefinitely in the hopes that the Republican Hate Machine will have people somehow blaming Obama and the Democrats for this for not "compromising".


Not to be aa pedant, but a couple of details. The 'Hastert Rule' is just a policy; it has no official standing and was first implemented by Gingrich. Understandably they named it for Hastert who continued it. So, named for Hastert, conceived by a newt. The other thing is, Boehner actually has broken it on at least four occasions...oddly each time it was for a CR.
 
2013-10-05 09:56:24 AM

SithLord: That's rich.  Don't take responsibility for your own actions, blame the GOP, then force them to accept your fiscally irresponsible healthcare law at legislative gunpoint.  Fark you dems.


Sure. Your place or mine?
 
2013-10-05 10:10:38 AM

cman: I can tell you that I have twice as many Liberals (Purple 4) favorited than Conservatives. (Gray 5)


That seems to be about the population split around here these days.

Hell, I think I have more Birthers and Truthers than I have conservatives on my favorites list under the red color (red listing is the bad listing). I only favorite those who I find interesting or who I can glance over when they post so I can have the moralistic high ground on not putting people on my ignore list.

I just color code orange by level of stupidity, and make notes about the type.  I have a lot of economic illiterates and Bible thumpers in Orange 4 & 5, some birthers and truthers in 3, and past that you have to be a multi-dimensional moran.  Then I have Grey 1 reserved for the pure trolls.
 
2013-10-05 10:13:08 AM

SithLord: That's rich.  Don't take responsibility for your own actions, blame the GOP, then force them to accept your fiscally irresponsible healthcare law at legislative gunpoint.  Fark you dems.


"That's rich."It's funny when everyone blames the GOP for this mess, when it clearly is?

"Don't take responsibility for your own actions,"   That's some major projection right there.

"blame the GOP" Yes, we do. Everyone does.

"then force them to accept your fiscally irresponsible healthcare law" Do we blame them first or force them? I'm confused.

"at legislative gunpoint" It's always Legislative Gunpoint when one side loses. Remember the Peanut Butter VS Jelly Act that was narrowly defeated? Wonder Bread was butthurt over that little piece of legislation for years.

"Fark you dems."  s18.postimg.org
 
2013-10-05 11:12:02 AM

SithLord: That's rich.  Don't take responsibility for your own actions, blame the GOP, then force them to accept your fiscally irresponsible healthcare law at legislative gunpoint.  Fark you dems.


Can you please explain how the ACA is a fiscally irresponsible law? I'm terribly confused by this narrative.
 
2013-10-05 11:16:09 AM

SithLord: That's rich.  Don't take responsibility for your own actions, blame the GOP, then force them to accept your fiscally irresponsible healthcare law at legislative gunpoint.  Fark you dems.


Well, Bachmann was incredibly proud of the shutdown, stating it was what she and the Republicans wanted. She took personal responsibility for the shutdown. Apparently she is smarter and more responsible than you.

Just let that fact sink in a bit.
 
2013-10-05 11:18:21 AM
To everyone who thinks that it's OK to use the power of the purse to defund or delay the ACA: What would your response be if there was a GOP majority in the Senate, a GOP President, and a Democratic minority in the House that used the "Power of the Purse" to force the Senate and the President to enact a ban on semi-automatic handguns nationwide, and if not, they'd shut down the government and refuse to pay the debts of the US?

Our Constitution and system of government was never intended to allow a minority faction of one part of the Congress to control the legislative agenda of the country, nor to repeal settled law.

If the House is allowed to get away with this, it will be at the cost of forever weakening the structure of our government by setting the precedent that in order to pass your legislative agenda, you don't need a majority in the Congress or control the Presidency. You don't have to make deals, negotiate or put together the votes for a veto override.

No, in the new America, all you need is a razor-thin majority in the House. Then you can do anything you want because if the rest don't bow to your wishes, you just shut it all down.

That's NOT how it works. And it cannot be allowed to be set as a precedent. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, this kind of disgusting abuse of the legislative process should stick in the craw of every American.
 
2013-10-05 11:37:09 AM

Cyclometh: To everyone who thinks that it's OK to use the power of the purse to defund or delay the ACA: What would your response be if there was a GOP majority in the Senate, a GOP President, and a Democratic minority in the House that used the "Power of the Purse" to force the Senate and the President to enact a ban on semi-automatic handguns nationwide, and if not, they'd shut down the government and refuse to pay the debts of the US?

Our Constitution and system of government was never intended to allow a minority faction of one part of the Congress to control the legislative agenda of the country, nor to repeal settled law.

If the House is allowed to get away with this, it will be at the cost of forever weakening the structure of our government by setting the precedent that in order to pass your legislative agenda, you don't need a majority in the Congress or control the Presidency. You don't have to make deals, negotiate or put together the votes for a veto override.

No, in the new America, all you need is a razor-thin majority in the House. Then you can do anything you want because if the rest don't bow to your wishes, you just shut it all down.

That's NOT how it works. And it cannot be allowed to be set as a precedent. It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on, this kind of disgusting abuse of the legislative process should stick in the craw of every American.


If you weren't already favorited by me, I'd favorite you for this comment alone.
 
2013-10-05 11:46:48 AM

Cyclometh: To everyone who thinks that it's OK to use the power of the purse to defund


I'm not okay with this.

The answer is to somehow defund the salaries for the people voting to defund the salaries for others.
I would propose a vote at the ballot box.  That's been known to work in the past.

That said, I'd would like to propose either recall measures for Congressmen or seek out impeachment for those voting to defund large sections of the Government without legally ending the programs outright.  If you want to get rid of programs, get rid of them.  The threat of defunding by the House is a childish way of getting changes the House wants pushed through the other two branches of the US government.  It was childish when Newt did it, and it is childish now.

Now that the House has promised to provide back pay to furloughed workers, the end game is in sight.  Several teeth have been removed from the entire "shutdown" process.
I can't see this shutdown threat being used effectively in the future.
It's a dick move, and one that will be remembered at the voting booth.
 
2013-10-05 12:29:10 PM
SVenus: Cyclometh: To everyone who thinks that it's OK to use the power of the purse to defund

I'm not okay with this.

The answer is to somehow defund the salaries for the people voting to defund the salaries for others.
I would propose a vote at the ballot box.  That's been known to work in the past.
  EDUCATE PEOPLE SO THEY'RE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER THAN THIS CRAP.

 The answer is always education. Why do you think they want to de-fund PBS? Why do they want to eliminate the Department of Education? Why do they do their best to make sure every schoolkid is stupid and emaciated? Because it's not in THEIR best interests to have people recognize them for what they are- Evil. 
 And it's not the politicians, they're just the paid puppets of their Evil Overlords. The same types that create Teabagger parties on FOX.
 
2013-10-05 12:33:21 PM

Silverstaff: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this

Yes, they have the votes for a clean CR, but Boehner won't let it come to the floor because he's afraid of the Tea Party, and because of the
of the "Hastert Rule".

The "Hastert Rule" is a policy/rule that was adopted by former Speaker Dennis Hastert, which says that no legislation can be brought up for a vote unless it has the support of a majority of the ruling party.  In other words, you can't have the entire minority party plus some people crossing the aisle to support legislation, the majority party must back it.  Formally, Boehner never adopted the Hastert Rule as an operating rule of the House, but he's never broken it either, always requiring a majority of the Republicans before bringing anything to a vote.

So it replaces democratic rule with rule by The Party.  Only legislation approved by The Party may be voted on, even if a majority of congressmen approve of it.

Combine that with the fact that the Republicans are living in fear of two things:
1. Getting "primaried" by the Tea Party if they are not ideologically pure enough.
2. Obamacare actually succeeding and making their last 3 years of pure derp look extra foolish.

. . .and you've got a recipe for them being willing to keep things shut down indefinitely in the hopes that the Republican Hate Machine will have people somehow blaming Obama and the Democrats for this for not "compromising".


Incorrect on him never breaking it.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/28/17134595-boehner-esche ws -hastert-rule-for-third-time?lite

Boehner eschews Hastert rule for third time
By Luke Russert, Capitol Hill Correspondent, NBC News
After roughly a year and a half after its expiration, the Violence Against Women Act passed the House Thursday by 286-138 vote and will soon be reauthorized once it garners the president's signature.

Earlier this year, the Senate passed a five-year re-authorization of the act by a bipartisan 78-22 vote. The House initially objected to the legislation, citing constitutional concerns about the prosecution of non-Native Americans on tribal lands.

The House vote was significant, because, for the third time this year, on a significant piece of legislation, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) showed a willingness to bring a bill to the floor without abiding by the unwritten, so-called "Hastert Rule."

The rule, named after former Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois, says that a speaker only brings something to the House floor if it has the support of the majority of the majority.
In this case, three-fifths of Republicans voted against the legislation -- 138 against the bill with only 87 in support.

(The other two times Boehner has advanced a bill that won only a minority of the majority -- the fiscal cliff and Sandy relief.)
The vote also divided the House GOP leadership. Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) voted against the bill, whereas Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), House GOP Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, and House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) voted for it.

When asked by NBC News why he declined to support the Senate version of the bill, Cantor did not directly answer, instead touting his support for the House GOP version, which failed.
"I voted for the Violence Against Women Act the way we presented it in the House," Cantor insisted. "This is a bill that provides relief to domestic abuse; it does it in a way that protects the Constitutional rights of all Americans, and it does it in a way that doesn't discriminate where aid goes to in terms of victims of domestic abuse."

Democrats claimed the House GOP bill did not do enough to protect illegal immigrants, gay men and women, or Native Americans.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), who over the last few weeks hammered the GOP for inaction, celebrated the passage of the bill, tweeting: "We did it! Today's House passage of strong VAWA bill was a hard fought victory to preserve and strengthen security of all American women."
 
2013-10-05 01:27:01 PM
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Don't blame me.
I voted for The Purge.
 
2013-10-05 02:07:00 PM

Zeppelininthesky: This will be epic if it passes. Not only will the government open again, the teabaggers will start eating their own.


i1301.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-05 02:46:28 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: The Republicans had done their job according to the US Constitution, they passed a budget in the House, but decided to exercise their right not to fund Obamacare, all other areas of were funded. Reid and Obama decide to go all or nothing strategy and chose to allow the government to shut down. The shutdown is like a dysfunctional family where the wife bans buying of groceries because the husband will not allow her to buy a bottle of perfume.


LOL
 
2013-10-05 03:03:09 PM
Just a random thought: The Founding Fathers were so concerned with the tyranny of the majority, they never even considered the tyranny of the minority.
 
2013-10-05 06:34:55 PM

SithLord: That's rich.  Don't take responsibility for your own actions, blame the GOP, then force them to accept your fiscally irresponsible healthcare law at legislative gunpoint.  Fark you dems.


Do you by chance frequent an MMA forum and play DayZ (or used to play DayZ)? If so, I know you, and I know you're not this retarded.
 
2013-10-06 12:30:53 AM

SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.


Always give your enemy an escape route.
 
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