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2013-10-04 09:39:20 PM

timujin: My point was that anecdotal evidence, even yours, doesn't mean much.  Overall, healthcare costs in this country are going to go up, just as they've gone up every year since health insurance was a thing.  Only next year, they're projected to not go up as fast as in the past.  And portents of doom and gloom from "mgshamster's representative" don't change that.


That's a fair point.  I was just trying to show how useless those anecdotes can be.

mgshamster: On the other hand, my mom has Kaiser too, through Cal Cobra, and her costs are going from ~$350/mo to ~$700/mo (silver plan). I don't know anything about cobra, though, so I don't know why it was so much cheaper, especially for someone in their 60s with lots of medical issues. Her Cal Cobra ends at the end of the year, and I don't know if that's because of Obama care or if cobra has a time limit and she's reached it.


I seem to remember that COBRA is intended to let you keep your health insurance after leaving one job (e.g. due to layoffs), so that you can still have coverage until you start a new job and presumably get new insurance through the new employer.  As such, I would expect the rates to be tied to what you were originally paying, but only for a limited time.

I may be wrong, though.  I only briefly looked at COBRA back in 2007 (and ended up not using it), and things have changed a lot since then.
 
2013-10-04 09:41:33 PM

anfrind: timujin: My point was that anecdotal evidence, even yours, doesn't mean much.  Overall, healthcare costs in this country are going to go up, just as they've gone up every year since health insurance was a thing.  Only next year, they're projected to not go up as fast as in the past.  And portents of doom and gloom from "mgshamster's representative" don't change that.

That's a fair point.  I was just trying to show how useless those anecdotes can be.

mgshamster: On the other hand, my mom has Kaiser too, through Cal Cobra, and her costs are going from ~$350/mo to ~$700/mo (silver plan). I don't know anything about cobra, though, so I don't know why it was so much cheaper, especially for someone in their 60s with lots of medical issues. Her Cal Cobra ends at the end of the year, and I don't know if that's because of Obama care or if cobra has a time limit and she's reached it.

I seem to remember that COBRA is intended to let you keep your health insurance after leaving one job (e.g. due to layoffs), so that you can still have coverage until you start a new job and presumably get new insurance through the new employer.  As such, I would expect the rates to be tied to what you were originally paying, but only for a limited time.

I may be wrong, though.  I only briefly looked at COBRA back in 2007 (and ended up not using it), and things have changed a lot since then.


That seems rights. My mom had insurance from her job at Nordstrom, and that's what she was paying then until she left after a job related injury.

I also remember reading something about how Cobra lasts only three years, and that's about how long it's been. I could be wrong, though.
 
2013-10-04 10:02:29 PM

Corvus: cman: Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?

Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.

So according to you after the civil war they north created a system to make it easier for the southern states to blackmail them by defaulting on the debt?

Why the fark would they do that?


Dude, I admit it when I am wrong. Its ok. You can do the same.

And no, your analysis of what I said was incorrect.

I said that the 14th amendment gave no extra power to the President. You claimed otherwise. I pointed out the specific portion where it says you were wrong. Its written in English, and unlike the 2nd Amendment, there really isn't any controversy of such a section. When an amendment says that Congress has the power to implement the amendment, I think it means that Congress has the power to implement the Amendment, not the executive.
 
2013-10-04 10:03:26 PM
mgshamster:

You know, I didn't even notice it was Kaiser. I have kaiser, and my costs went down last year and are staying the same this year.

On the other hand, my mom has Kaiser too, through Cal Cobra, and her costs are going from ~$350/mo to ~$700/mo (silver plan). I don't know anything about cobra, though, so I don't know why it was so much cheaper, especially for someone in their 60s with lots of medical issues. Her Cal Cobra ends at the end of the year, and I don't know if that's because of Obama care or if cobra has a time limit and she's reached it.


With Cobra, you end up paying both your part as well as the portion your employer was paying, so it tends to be a lot more out of pocket. Hopefully she will find something cheaper on the exchanges?
 
2013-10-04 10:05:29 PM

lantawa: Zeppelininthesky: lantawa: SenorBenedict: Put simply Boehner Pelosi is the worst speaker we've ever had, I can't imagine a real solution could come from him her at all.

FTFY

Do hope, though, that this legal technique works and that a clean CR is negotiated quickly. Prefer govt. to be open rather than closed......

Pelosi never ignored everything while the government shut down. Pelosi never kept a vote from happening because she knew the Democrats would pass it.

Yeah, Boehner is the worst Speaker.

Yeah.....sure......http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed ded&v=KoE1R-xH5To


You know exactly what she meant. Stop being an obtuse liar.
 
2013-10-04 10:34:11 PM

mgshamster: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

Speaking of fake stories, this is one from my representative's website:

"Last month I received a letter from the Human Resources Manager at my place of employment that states I am going to receive a 23% pay cut as a result of Obama Care. They say they are required by the Employer Mandate to provide insurance for every employee or face a fine. My 23% pay cut is equal to $22,000 and will financially devastate my family, as I am the primary income of our family. I tried to explain that I already have insurance through my husband's employer and Blue Cross Blue Shield and I do not need another policy. However, they said Obama Care does not have an option for married employees who are paying for coverage through their spouses' employer. I even offered to pay the $2,000 employer fine instead of being subject to the $22,000 pay cut, but they said that is not an option."

And yes, my rep is one of the tea party derpers.

/I just moved here; please don't blame me.


Who is the Rep? Got a link? I'd really like to dig into that particular line of BS.
 
2013-10-04 10:34:18 PM

griff61: mgshamster:

You know, I didn't even notice it was Kaiser. I have kaiser, and my costs went down last year and are staying the same this year.

On the other hand, my mom has Kaiser too, through Cal Cobra, and her costs are going from ~$350/mo to ~$700/mo (silver plan). I don't know anything about cobra, though, so I don't know why it was so much cheaper, especially for someone in their 60s with lots of medical issues. Her Cal Cobra ends at the end of the year, and I don't know if that's because of Obama care or if cobra has a time limit and she's reached it.

With Cobra, you end up paying both your part as well as the portion your employer was paying, so it tends to be a lot more out of pocket. Hopefully she will find something cheaper on the exchanges?


She is currently paying ~$350 with Cal Cobra (and if it is true that you pay your portion and a part of your employers, then maybe she has govt assistance?). With the exchanges, the cheapest she can get is ~$600 for bronze or ~$750 foe silver (iirc). The silver plan is equivalent in terms of benefits.

Perhaps the story from my Representative about a ~45% increase in health insurance costs is the same story as my mom's: going from a cobra plan (which is temporary, anyways) to the exchanges.
 
2013-10-04 10:35:22 PM

MontanaDave: mgshamster: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

Speaking of fake stories, this is one from my representative's website:

"Last month I received a letter from the Human Resources Manager at my place of employment that states I am going to receive a 23% pay cut as a result of Obama Care. They say they are required by the Employer Mandate to provide insurance for every employee or face a fine. My 23% pay cut is equal to $22,000 and will financially devastate my family, as I am the primary income of our family. I tried to explain that I already have insurance through my husband's employer and Blue Cross Blue Shield and I do not need another policy. However, they said Obama Care does not have an option for married employees who are paying for coverage through their spouses' employer. I even offered to pay the $2,000 employer fine instead of being subject to the $22,000 pay cut, but they said that is not an option."

And yes, my rep is one of the tea party derpers.

/I just moved here; please don't blame me.

Who is the Rep? Got a link? I'd really like to dig into that particular line of BS.


Yup.

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/10/the-real-world-of-obamacare.shtml

/Watch out for Fark inserted spaces
 
2013-10-04 10:45:14 PM

sendtodave: bwilson27: sobriquet by any other name: ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: There is SO MUCH freeper butthurt....

--"They may have many "wobblies,"
********
That word is too kind. Their votes could blow up the Republican Party for good. They are only looking out for their own hides and could care less about bigger causes."


**in regards to the list of 18 repubs willing to sign**
--"A handy list for the 2014 cycle. Time to "clean" house."


--"It might seem suicidal but I would insist that the Pubs who break ranks leave the party. If we lose our majority so be it. We are in a fight for our lives. We will have a better opportunity to regain the House and Senate if the public knows the Pubs stand for liberty and an end to tyranny and are willing to fight for it."

Since conservative freepers are so idiotically able to believe everything they read so long as they think it comes from old, spittle-soaked Caucasian gentlemen, i see absolutely no problem having their rank and file (and trolls from across the spectrum) convince them how "right" they are.

it's delicious, seeing how their penchant for dis-believing every piece of math and logic ever makes them infinitely manipulatable... by anyone, for any reason. Up until now, it was to use them to bolster an obviously tired republican wing.. but now i'm convinced the "echo chamber" is running out of oxygen as trolls convince them to breath deeper and deeper. It's surreal, and, did I mention, delicious?

/If you live without regard for math, prepare to be divided
//...facts, too

Plus, the innerwebs leveled the lying game. sure, there are still plenty of old suckers out there too derp to find out the truth, but the rest of the populace is slowly getting this fact. It's hard to live in a bubble when the greatest bubble-popper in the world is virtually everywhere. Soon the derps will either die off or finally get a clue, THEN the last stronghold of the Right Wing (Ignorance and lies) will be shattered forever.

People don't use the Inte ...


Not true.

I used to be a Teabagger.

Then I started noticing disparities in their arguments, not to mention the steeplechasing. Being surrounded by Gunsmiths and lifelong NRA members helped I think.

But yeah, if it wasn't for the internet and Fark I'd probably still be a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.
 
2013-10-04 10:58:27 PM

cman: Corvus: cman: Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?

Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.

So according to you after the civil war they north created a system to make it easier for the southern states to blackmail them by defaulting on the debt?

Why the fark would they do that?

Dude, I admit it when I am wrong. Its ok. You can do the same.

And no, your analysis of what I said was incorrect.

I said that the 14th amendment gave no extra power to the President. You claimed otherwise. I pointed out the specific portion where it says you were wrong. Its written in English, and unlike the 2nd Amendment, there really isn't any controversy of such a section. When an amendment says that Congress has the power to implement the amendment, I think it means that Congress has the power to implement the Amendment, not the executive.


Congress gets to write the legislation, but the executive gets to implement it. I wonder, has Congress enacted any legislation pursuant to their power under the 14th?
 
2013-10-04 11:02:02 PM

qorkfiend: cman: Corvus: cman: Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?

Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.

So according to you after the civil war they north created a system to make it easier for the southern states to blackmail them by defaulting on the debt?

Why the fark would they do that?

Dude, I admit it when I am wrong. Its ok. You can do the same.

And no, your analysis of what I said was incorrect.

I said that the 14th amendment gave no extra power to the President. You claimed otherwise. I pointed out the specific portion where it says you were wrong. Its written in English, and unlike the 2nd Amendment, there really isn't any controversy of such a section. When an amendment says that Congress has the power to implement the amendment, I think it means that Congress has the power to implement the Amendment, not the executive.

Congress gets to write the l ...


Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Where does it say executive in this? Nowhere at all. That means Obama can't do anything unless Congress has given him the power to do so. There is no law that grants the President the right to raise the debt ceiling without Congressional approval. That means that the President's hands are tied.
 
2013-10-04 11:05:00 PM

KarmicDisaster: MyRandomName: 27 times a democratic led Senate has passred non clean legislation on spending bills. 27. Democrat controlled Congressrs account for 60% of the dirty spending bills. Wsj article today breaking down the legislative history.

Yet here farklibs are once again lying and denying history. Kudos on your applied ignorance.

Why is it taking so long to get some Talking Points issued?  Our trolls have nothing to work with.


This, hilariously. See, this is what happens when you don't plan ahead - the teabaggers didn't have a "In case of Democrat spine, break glass" plan, and so they can't figure out how to spin the simple fact that they planned this for months, deliberately, as their "final solution" to Obamacare.

The claims for "negotiation" are a waste, Boehner. It's been law for, what, three years now? You've tried to legislate it away (over forty times), sue it away (it's constitutional, you dolt), and now you want to extort it away by holding the country hostage to the demands of your tiny batch of political lunatics.

You now have a choice - your country, or your party. You've slung "country first" rhetoric around for years, when it suited you. Now, put up or shut up, you damned coward.
 
2013-10-04 11:10:13 PM
iq_in_binary:

I used to be a Teabagger.

Then I started noticing disparities in their arguments, not to mention the steeplechasing. Being surrounded by Gunsmiths and lifelong NRA members helped I think.

But yeah, if it wasn't for the internet and Fark I'd probably still be a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.


Duly noted and changed from red 3 to blue 3.
 
2013-10-04 11:14:52 PM

cman: qorkfiend: cman: Corvus: cman: Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?

Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.

So according to you after the civil war they north created a system to make it easier for the southern states to blackmail them by defaulting on the debt?

Why the fark would they do that?

Dude, I admit it when I am wrong. Its ok. You can do the same.

And no, your analysis of what I said was incorrect.

I said that the 14th amendment gave no extra power to the President. You claimed otherwise. I pointed out the specific portion where it says you were wrong. Its written in English, and unlike the 2nd Amendment, there really isn't any controversy of such a section. When an amendment says that Congress has the power to implement the amendment, I think it means that Congress has the power to implement the Amendment, not the executive.

Congress gets to ...


Right. By appropriate legislation. Like all other legislative powers, that means that Congress passes a law, and the executive implements it. That's why I was wondering is Congress had enacted legislation that the President would implement in this sort of situation.

If get haven't enacted any legislation, then we're in for an interesting ride.
 
2013-10-04 11:15:36 PM
So if this actually works, it just means we'll end the shutdown one day before hitting the debt limit.  Yay, we're saved!
 
2013-10-04 11:17:25 PM

BMFPitt: So if this actually works, it just means we'll end the shutdown one day before hitting the debt limit.  Yay, we're saved!


The alternative is having the shutdown going through the debt limit, and automatically defaulting on our loans.
 
2013-10-04 11:19:31 PM

mgshamster: BMFPitt: So if this actually works, it just means we'll end the shutdown one day before hitting the debt limit.  Yay, we're saved!

The alternative is having the shutdown going through the debt limit, and automatically defaulting on our loans.


If this happens, you can say goodbye to our economy
 
2013-10-04 11:20:26 PM
Democrats: "Come on guys, we know this ObamaCare thing is a train wreck that is going to screw the country over but that's the entire point. We need this so we can make people more dependent on the government and scream lies about how the Republicans are trying to take away peoples health care later."
 
2013-10-04 11:22:39 PM
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See, this just proves that funding the Government would be the devils work!
 
2013-10-04 11:23:55 PM

mgshamster: BMFPitt: So if this actually works, it just means we'll end the shutdown one day before hitting the debt limit.  Yay, we're saved!

The alternative is having the shutdown going through the debt limit, and automatically defaulting on our loans.


That's not an alternative.  The two are unrelated.   Ending the shutdown with the clean CR doesn't do anything to the debt limit.
 
2013-10-04 11:27:43 PM

bwilson27: iq_in_binary:

I used to be a Teabagger.

Then I started noticing disparities in their arguments, not to mention the steeplechasing. Being surrounded by Gunsmiths and lifelong NRA members helped I think.

But yeah, if it wasn't for the internet and Fark I'd probably still be a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.

Duly noted and changed from red 3 to blue 3.


What does red 3 denote for you?
 
2013-10-04 11:27:51 PM

cman: mgshamster: BMFPitt: So if this actually works, it just means we'll end the shutdown one day before hitting the debt limit.  Yay, we're saved!

The alternative is having the shutdown going through the debt limit, and automatically defaulting on our loans.

If this happens, you can say goodbye to our economy


The world's economy will take a massive hit as well.  Economic chaos as the world drops the dollar and picks up the Euro or some other currency that's perceived as more stable...

This is why I know they won't let us default.  It won't happen.
 
2013-10-04 11:29:13 PM

Bacontastesgood: Dog Welder: You might see a few seats switch but the biggest derpers are dug in so deep in very red gerrymandered districts that they have no chance of being ousted.

I'm thinking this has gotten so bad that Soros, Fox News, Rush, the RNC, etc will be prepared to thrown down hard against some of the tea party to get mainstream Republicans in.  So some of the t-boys might find themselves primaried.  Especially so in safe red districts.   A lot of it will be subtle, local party bosses being told 'off the record' that their congressperson will never get anything passed so they might as well back the challenger, especially if they want to see that development project funded at the state level.  Logrolling and stuff.

Yes, I know Fox especially is defending the t-party, but that is a show of unity at the moment.  In out of the way, low information primary elections, the shivs will come out.  Hell, you KNOW they're looking for someone to work on taking out Cruz starting in 4 years.  Parties hate people they can't control.


As much as I love your screen name, I think it might have actually been a bad choice. You could be the smartest guy on Fark for all I know, but any wisdom you have to impart would be totally lost on me. No matter what you post I always have the same thought after I read it: Bacon does taste good.

/threadjack
 
2013-10-04 11:31:29 PM

iq_in_binary: bwilson27: iq_in_binary:

I used to be a Teabagger.

Then I started noticing disparities in their arguments, not to mention the steeplechasing. Being surrounded by Gunsmiths and lifelong NRA members helped I think.

But yeah, if it wasn't for the internet and Fark I'd probably still be a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.

Duly noted and changed from red 3 to blue 3.

What does red 3 denote for you?


That, while on Kamino, you were Wedge Antilles?
 
2013-10-04 11:33:44 PM

Infernalist: cman: mgshamster: BMFPitt: So if this actually works, it just means we'll end the shutdown one day before hitting the debt limit.  Yay, we're saved!

The alternative is having the shutdown going through the debt limit, and automatically defaulting on our loans.

If this happens, you can say goodbye to our economy

The world's economy will take a massive hit as well.  Economic chaos as the world drops the dollar and picks up the Euro or some other currency that's perceived as more stable...

This is why I know they won't let us default.  It won't happen.


You're assuming that the moderate members of the GOP can stop it. So far, they've been largely ineffectual. Honestly, I think these fools are quite willing to auger us into the friggin' ground if it means keeping their ideological purity.
 
2013-10-04 11:37:09 PM

FormlessOne: Infernalist: cman: mgshamster: BMFPitt: So if this actually works, it just means we'll end the shutdown one day before hitting the debt limit.  Yay, we're saved!

The alternative is having the shutdown going through the debt limit, and automatically defaulting on our loans.

If this happens, you can say goodbye to our economy

The world's economy will take a massive hit as well.  Economic chaos as the world drops the dollar and picks up the Euro or some other currency that's perceived as more stable...

This is why I know they won't let us default.  It won't happen.

You're assuming that the moderate members of the GOP can stop it. So far, they've been largely ineffectual. Honestly, I think these fools are quite willing to auger us into the friggin' ground if it means keeping their ideological purity.


I sincerely believe that men in black suits and sunglasses will personally visit each of the resistant members of Congress and quietly threaten their lives enough to ensure that they bend enough to pass a debt ceiling increase.

There are just too many people in this world that will lose obscene amounts of money if we default.

This goes beyond politics in a major way.
 
2013-10-04 11:46:28 PM

FormlessOne: You're assuming that the moderate members of the GOP can stop it. So far, they've been largely ineffectual. Honestly, I think these fools are quite willing to auger us into the friggin' ground if it means keeping their ideological purity.


I think that Boehner will introduce it at the last minute, averting disaster for a few months, and causing him to be promptly removed as Speaker.

The next guy will let us default.
 
2013-10-04 11:52:44 PM

randomjsa: Democrats: "Come on guys, we know this ObamaCare thing is a train wreck that is going to screw the country over but that's the entire point. We need this so we can make people more dependent on the government and scream lies about how the Republicans are trying to take away peoples health care later."


So, you got nothing then.
 
2013-10-05 12:02:43 AM

BMFPitt: FormlessOne: You're assuming that the moderate members of the GOP can stop it. So far, they've been largely ineffectual. Honestly, I think these fools are quite willing to auger us into the friggin' ground if it means keeping their ideological purity.

I think that Boehner will introduce it at the last minute, averting disaster for a few months, and causing him to be promptly removed as Speaker.

The next guy will let us default.


He's over the barrel. He has to do Pelosi's bidding to have any chance of keeping the speakership. When the debt ceiling thing starts getting serious there are going to be far too many GOP seats in moneyed districts being fitted for cement shoes and Boehner's own wallets in Ohio leaving horseheads for him and the "moderates" to see any other way out than leaving it the fark alone and extending it three years in exchange for Democratic votes for the Speakership and if they're lucky no serious Democratic challenges in their district so they can fend off the Tea Party primary challenger.

Hell at this point, were I signatory to the discharge petition I'd amend the CR to the first counteroffer to the Ryan Budget instead of the sequester level cuts and tell them it's either this and letting a 3 year extension of the debt ceiling happen or those rabid starving dogs we have you dangling over. They deserve public humiliation for letting the shutdown happen, making them swallow in front of the entire country is a good start.
 
2013-10-05 12:03:56 AM

iq_in_binary: bwilson27: iq_in_binary:

I used to be a Teabagger.

Then I started noticing disparities in their arguments, not to mention the steeplechasing. Being surrounded by Gunsmiths and lifelong NRA members helped I think.

But yeah, if it wasn't for the internet and Fark I'd probably still be a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.

Duly noted and changed from red 3 to blue 3.

What does red 3 denote for you?


a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.

 
2013-10-05 12:05:15 AM

bwilson27: iq_in_binary: bwilson27: iq_in_binary:

I used to be a Teabagger.

Then I started noticing disparities in their arguments, not to mention the steeplechasing. Being surrounded by Gunsmiths and lifelong NRA members helped I think.

But yeah, if it wasn't for the internet and Fark I'd probably still be a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.

Duly noted and changed from red 3 to blue 3.

What does red 3 denote for you?


a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.


Hah!

Now I'm a pro gun control liberal. Funny how shiat works.
 
2013-10-05 12:25:20 AM

bwilson27: iq_in_binary: bwilson27: iq_in_binary:

I used to be a Teabagger.

Then I started noticing disparities in their arguments, not to mention the steeplechasing. Being surrounded by Gunsmiths and lifelong NRA members helped I think.

But yeah, if it wasn't for the internet and Fark I'd probably still be a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.

Duly noted and changed from red 3 to blue 3.

What does red 3 denote for you?


a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.


Well, Red 6 was Porkins, I remember that.
 
2013-10-05 12:33:07 AM

iq_in_binary: What does red 3 denote for you?

a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.


It would be interesting if there were a way to get a list of all the things you're tagged as.

I wonder whether I have more "Herpin' derpin' Randian idiot" or "Obama-loving libtard" tags.
 
2013-10-05 12:38:49 AM

BMFPitt: iq_in_binary: What does red 3 denote for you?

a herpin' derpin' Randian idiot.

It would be interesting if there were a way to get a list of all the things you're tagged as.

I wonder whether I have more "Herpin' derpin' Randian idiot" or "Obama-loving libtard" tags.


I can tell you that I have twice as many Liberals (Purple 4) favorited than Conservatives. (Gray 5)

Hell, I think I have more Birthers and Truthers than I have conservatives on my favorites list under the red color (red listing is the bad listing). I only favorite those who I find interesting or who I can glance over when they post so I can have the moralistic high ground on not putting people on my ignore list.
 
2013-10-05 12:41:40 AM
This thread needs that farker that posts the picture of Boehner drinking and then posting as if he's a blitzed Boehner...I love that farker. just can't remember his username
 
2013-10-05 12:42:38 AM

geek_mars: As much as I love your screen name, I think it might have actually been a bad choice. You could be the smartest guy on Fark for all I know, but any wisdom you have to impart would be totally lost on me. No matter what you post I always have the same thought after I read it: Bacon does taste good.

/threadjack


Yay!  I can write whatever the fark I want!  Screw all you biatch ass motherfarker hodads!   my mastercharge number is 8242-1284-2894-2181!  Florida is the greatest!  I gave your sister syph!  I'm the one who dug into the lobster and cupcakes before the party started!!!

www.uproxx.com
 
2013-10-05 12:42:39 AM
You can add me to the tally.  I was a red-blooded republican, until one day I noticed my fundie nut relatives and my party all on the same wavelength.  And when I noticed they were apparently legislating for a fictional universe, rather than the one we're in, I pulled the ejection lever so freaking hard on that I split the damn derp express plane in half on the way out.

fark that place.  Srsly.
 
2013-10-05 12:50:08 AM

Cpl.D: You can add me to the tally.  I was a red-blooded republican, until one day I noticed my fundie nut relatives and my party all on the same wavelength.  And when I noticed they were apparently legislating for a fictional universe, rather than the one we're in, I pulled the ejection lever so freaking hard on that I split the damn derp express plane in half on the way out.

fark that place.  Srsly.


I always tell people something pulled my head out of the muck and I looked around going "Whoa whoa whoa too far to the right! Stop! Hit the brakes! Wait, is that motherfarker goose-stepping?"
 
2013-10-05 01:08:06 AM

iq_in_binary: Cpl.D: You can add me to the tally.  I was a red-blooded republican, until one day I noticed my fundie nut relatives and my party all on the same wavelength.  And when I noticed they were apparently legislating for a fictional universe, rather than the one we're in, I pulled the ejection lever so freaking hard on that I split the damn derp express plane in half on the way out.

fark that place.  Srsly.

I always tell people something pulled my head out of the muck and I looked around going "Whoa whoa whoa too far to the right! Stop! Hit the brakes! Wait, is that motherfarker goose-stepping?"


That happened just this week to one of my co-workers. I saw his Facebook posts go from ultra-tea to anti-tea/moderate/nearly pro-Obama in just a few days. Shocking, but it gives me hope.
 
2013-10-05 01:08:32 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: [i.imgur.com image 672x363]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills today.


Republicans and hurricanes. Again.
 
2013-10-05 01:37:10 AM

Infernalist: There are just too many people in this world that will lose obscene amounts of money if we default.


This is true. But they're all people like you and me - little people. But the people who matter, the people at the top of the food chain, the people who call the shots? They aren't going to lose a damn thing. Thy're going to snap up assets for pennies on the dollar, and then reap the secondary benefits that come with having hordes of cheap, disposable labor clamoring for crumbs. We'll be lucky if they don't bring back gladiatorial events for their amusement.
 
2013-10-05 01:39:27 AM
I hope they double down again.  I really do.  I hope they accumulate every insane, stupid, willfully ignorant, fundie nutbag on their little freaking lifeboat shortly before the goddamn thing sinks.  I want 'em all taken out at once.  Only when these lunatics are finally put in straightjackets and taken out of places of authority will we have any hope as a country.

And let's get the farking creationists of the science board.  And quit making the head of NASA a political position.

And for that farking matter, outlaw gerrymandering for all sides and do the farking campaign finance reform.

And give the DOD budget to NASA.  We got a military budget greater than the next 25 countries behind us combined, and most of those are our farking allies.  shiat's unnecessary at that level.
 
2013-10-05 02:38:22 AM
The Republicans had done their job according to the US Constitution, they passed a budget in the House, but decided to exercise their right not to fund Obamacare, all other areas of were funded. Reid and Obama decide to go all or nothing strategy and chose to allow the government to shut down. The shutdown is like a dysfunctional family where the wife bans buying of groceries because the husband will not allow her to buy a bottle of perfume.
 
2013-10-05 02:40:43 AM

thornhill: I said this months ago, and I'll say it again:

The democrats should try to find enough House Republicans to caucus with them to elect a new Speaker, shutting the Tea Party out of congress.

Terms of the deal are this:

-A Republican gets to be Speaker and chairmanships of a few key committees (but not appropriations).
-The GOP defectors will sit-down with Obama and the Dem Senate Leadership to agree on what legislation the GOP speaker will bring to the floor.
-The Democrats will not field any candidates against the defectors. Even if the defectors lose their primaries and run as independents in the general, the Democrats will stay out of the race. And if these GOP members want, Obama will even urge Democratic voters to vote for them in the general.

As outlandish as this may sound, this happens all of the time in state legislatures.

And while these GOP defectors may lose their primaries, the terms of the deal keep Democrats from running in the general, which would make it pretty easy for them to win reelection, especially if they're running against some ultra right wing tea party nut.


Honest question:

Where is "government of, by, and for the people" anywhere in that mess?
 
2013-10-05 02:52:18 AM

Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures


No, only the originators of the petition are allowed to amend.
 
2013-10-05 03:03:25 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: The Republicans had done their job according to the US Constitution, they passed a budget in the House, but decided to exercise their right not to fund Obamacare, all other areas of were funded. Reid and Obama decide to go all or nothing strategy and chose to allow the government to shut down. The shutdown is like a dysfunctional family where the wife bans buying of groceries because the husband will not allow her to buy a bottle of perfume.


Your nose is growing.
 
2013-10-05 03:04:20 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: The Republicans had done their job according to the US Constitution, they passed a budget in the House, but decided to exercise their right not to fund Obamacare, all other areas of were funded. Reid and Obama decide to go all or nothing strategy and chose to allow the government to shut down. The shutdown is like a dysfunctional family where the wife bans buying of groceries because the husband will not allow her to buy a bottle of perfume.


Let her buy the Obamacare that she has been promised and everyone is happy.
 
2013-10-05 07:19:38 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this


Yes, they have the votes for a clean CR, but Boehner won't let it come to the floor because he's afraid of the Tea Party, and because of the
of the "Hastert Rule".

The "Hastert Rule" is a policy/rule that was adopted by former Speaker Dennis Hastert, which says that no legislation can be brought up for a vote unless it has the support of a majority of the ruling party.  In other words, you can't have the entire minority party plus some people crossing the aisle to support legislation, the majority party must back it.  Formally, Boehner never adopted the Hastert Rule as an operating rule of the House, but he's never broken it either, always requiring a majority of the Republicans before bringing anything to a vote.

So it replaces democratic rule with rule by The Party.  Only legislation approved by The Party may be voted on, even if a majority of congressmen approve of it.

Combine that with the fact that the Republicans are living in fear of two things:
1. Getting "primaried" by the Tea Party if they are not ideologically pure enough.
2. Obamacare actually succeeding and making their last 3 years of pure derp look extra foolish.

. . .and you've got a recipe for them being willing to keep things shut down indefinitely in the hopes that the Republican Hate Machine will have people somehow blaming Obama and the Democrats for this for not "compromising".
 
2013-10-05 08:06:38 AM

smellysocksnshoes: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats  any group of bi-partisan legislators can do it, Boehner   our country saves face with both the tea party and the moderates. the rest of the world and we can begin to have a functioning government again.

Why is it always about "my team"?  While sane people know the GOP is to blame, adults also recognize that
our country wins if there are actually bi-partisan groups that try to govern.


Because the tea party is a cancer that will kill the United States if it isn't dealt with.
 
2013-10-05 09:17:24 AM

kg2095: smellysocksnshoes: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats  any group of bi-partisan legislators can do it, Boehner   our country saves face with both the tea party and the moderates. the rest of the world and we can begin to have a functioning government again.

Why is it always about "my team"?  While sane people know the GOP is to blame, adults also recognize that
our country wins if there are actually bi-partisan groups that try to govern.

Because the tea party is a cancer that will kill the United States if it isn't dealt with.


I was just looking at a new movie trailer on my IMDB app: Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit.  The story is about uncovering a Russian plot to crash the US economy.. and I'm going 'what, like the Tea Party is doing now?'  The fictional story looks a bit dull now.
 
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