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2013-10-04 07:24:31 PM

Fireproof: Soo... TFA said they were going to do this this afternoon. What happen?


Not a single Republican crossed over to vote with Democrats today. Republicans are standing firm.
 
2013-10-04 07:28:08 PM

Cpl.D: FueledByEthanol: Yeah, I'd figure Beck to be more of the True Believertm - plus have you SEEN the veins on that man's forehead when he gets worked up?  Smart money says he'll stroke out before the 8 hour mark.

The guy collects Nazi war memorabilia.  Says enough about him, don't you think?


Some people collect Nazi memorabilia, some people just want one plate
 
2013-10-04 07:28:22 PM

KarmicDisaster: MyRandomName: 27 times a democratic led Senate has passred non clean legislation on spending bills. 27. Democrat controlled Congressrs account for 60% of the dirty spending bills. Wsj article today breaking down the legislative history.

Yet here farklibs are once again lying and denying history. Kudos on your applied ignorance.

Why is it taking so long to get some Talking Points issued?  Our trolls have nothing to work with.


The GOP can't even decide between "Yay! We did it!" and "Boo! Obama's fault!" yet.
Rush will have to come up with something over the weekend.
 
2013-10-04 07:29:43 PM

MyRandomName: 27 times a democratic led Senate has passred non clean legislation on spending bills. 27. Democrat controlled Congressrs account for 60% of the dirty spending bills. Wsj article today breaking down the legislative history.

Yet here farklibs are once again lying and denying history. Kudos on your applied ignorance.


CRY MOAR!

You guys are about to get your clown shoes yanked off. So sorry that the Teahadists are about to have their sideshow brought to an early end.
 
2013-10-04 07:30:13 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KarmicDisaster: MyRandomName: 27 times a democratic led Senate has passred non clean legislation on spending bills. 27. Democrat controlled Congressrs account for 60% of the dirty spending bills. Wsj article today breaking down the legislative history.

Yet here farklibs are once again lying and denying history. Kudos on your applied ignorance.

Why is it taking so long to get some Talking Points issued?  Our trolls have nothing to work with.

The GOP can't even decide between "Yay! We did it!" and "Boo! Obama's fault!" yet.
Rush will have to come up with something over the weekend.


Hopefully something itchy and rashy and cancery
 
2013-10-04 07:32:00 PM

bwilson27: Fireproof: Soo... TFA said they were going to do this this afternoon. What happen?

Not a single Republican crossed over to vote with Democrats today. Republicans are standing firm.


Democrats will bring around the discharge petition over the next seven days. Because Lankford introduced the bill in March, it has already ripened in an initial stage of the discharge process.

Democrats said it could lead to a House vote by Oct. 14
 
2013-10-04 07:32:25 PM
This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.
 
2013-10-04 07:33:15 PM

Target Builder: This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.


Which would be different how?
 
2013-10-04 07:33:50 PM

Target Builder: This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.


Funnied.
 
2013-10-04 07:35:39 PM

Target Builder: This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Funniest comment of the WEEK!!!
 
2013-10-04 07:35:46 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Target Builder: This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.

Which would be different how?


It's a step up from their current position of definitely never cooperating or compromising with the "Libs" (read: sane people) again.
 
2013-10-04 07:35:59 PM

Target Builder: This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.


I have my doubts that this would be considered a serious concern.  They have been doing this already and the Democrats have a path to push them aside, so fark 'em.
 
2013-10-04 07:39:19 PM

Target Builder: This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.


Nice!

The concern is duly noted, citizen.
 
2013-10-04 07:40:26 PM
Dems will end up caving, because they actually care about people being out of work.
 
2013-10-04 07:46:52 PM

foo monkey: Dems will end up caving, because they actually care about people being out of work.


we do care, which is why we can't. Imagine this happpening EVERY SIX WEEKS.

Compassion dictates we show the populace EXACTLY what the House is. Economic Terrorists.

Honestly, the only thing that will alleviate this suffering is to cauterize the wound.
 
2013-10-04 07:48:44 PM

foo monkey: Dems will end up caving, because they actually care about people being out of work.


To what end?  So they can put everyone out of work on Oct 18?  The Dems are spineless, but you actually have to have something to threaten them with in order to scare them.  This is like putting a loaded gun to your own balls and demanding a ransom.
 
2013-10-04 07:50:54 PM

timujin: bwilson27: mgshamster:
My representative has a list of these. Here's some more:

A man from Sonora writes, "I have just received my projected healthcare cost for this coming year through Kaiser. The premium will be increasing by 43.8%. Healthcare is becoming increasingly unafford ...

What a farking croc. Total and complete bullshiat and lies.

well, anecdotal evidence is a kind of evidence, right?

In the real world, though, health care inflation rates are predicted to slow going into 2014:

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=health+care+inflation+histor ic al+data&oq=historical+healthcare+inflation+&gs_l=serp.1.4.0i13i10j0i22 i10i30j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j0i22i30.316184.324764.0.326344.36.31.2.2.2.0 .186.3212.14j17.31.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..9.27.2071.fVHZhyjaSfg


It's also very easy to re-frame the numbers to make it look like they're going up way more than they actually are.  For example, I have a pretty nice health plan through my employer that costs me about $20 per month, but next year the cost-share is changing from 90-10 to 85-15, which means I'll have to pay for 15% of the monthly bill instead of 10%.  Which means that even if the monthly rate doesn't change at all, the amount I pay will go up 50%.

Sounds pretty bad, until you realize that a 50% increase really means that it's going up from about $20/month to $30/month.
 
2013-10-04 07:51:05 PM

AurizenDarkstar: lantawa: Zeppelininthesky: lantawa: SenorBenedict: Put simply Boehner Pelosi is the worst speaker we've ever had, I can't imagine a real solution could come from him her at all.

FTFY

Do hope, though, that this legal technique works and that a clean CR is negotiated quickly. Prefer govt. to be open rather than closed......

Pelosi never ignored everything while the government shut down. Pelosi never kept a vote from happening because she knew the Democrats would pass it.

Yeah, Boehner is the worst Speaker.

Yeah.....sure......http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed ded&v=KoE1R-xH5To

Christ, you had to post that again?  Why do people on the right keep trying to argue something they don't understand (that is, she was making that statement since the healthcare bill was coming from the SENATE and they wouldn't know what was in it until it was brought before the House for reconciliation and/or debate...but then, you knew that, didn't you?)

But I guess if you have to go back 3 years to 1 misunderstood comment, it shows how desperate you are to brand someone as being 'bad' at their job.  Especially since more got done in the House while she was Speaker from 2008-2010 than Boehner has been able to get done in the 3 years since.


Okay, to be fair, here's the larger context article:   http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/pelosi-defends - her-infamous-health-care-remark/2012/06/20/gJQAqch6qV_blog.html

As far as her "accomplishments," yeah, when both the Senate and House are controlled by one party, along with El Presidente being of the same party, gee whiz, an awful lot gets done with other peoples' money.  Here's the bottom line.  You think that someone like Pelosi "governs" you.  I know, for a fact, that someone like Pelosi SERVES me.  Get more people to understand and act on that glaringly obvious fact, and we'd have a hell of a lot better government that would be serving at our pleasure, and not at our excessive expense...,
 
2013-10-04 07:58:14 PM

mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.


Non-essential is absolutely the worst word they could have used.  It implies that these are jobs that could go away.  It's like saying that because you only need a checker and a bagger to check out your groceries, the store no longer needs to employ janitors.
 
2013-10-04 08:00:54 PM
lantawa:

As far as her "accomplishments," yeah, when both the Senate and House are controlled by one party, along with El Presidente being of the same party, gee whiz, an awful lot gets done with other peoples' money.  Here's the bottom line.  You think that someone like Pelosi "governs" you.  I know, for a fact, that someone like Pelosi SERVES me.  Get more people to understand and act on that glaringly obvious fact, and we'd have a hell of a lot better government that would be serving at our pleasure, and not at our excessive expense...,

Hey Derpstick- Tell me how anyone in the GOP serves the public? Serve? Serve??They should be serving a prison sentence for fraud and theft.

HAHAHA!!! You actually think someone in the GOP SERVES the American public!!! HAHAHA!!! Let me laugh again, farkface.
 
2013-10-04 08:02:11 PM

rwhamann: mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.

Non-essential is absolutely the worst word they could have used.  It implies that these are jobs that could go away.  It's like saying that because you only need a checker and a bagger to check out your groceries, the store no longer needs to employ janitors.


Yeah you really have to be an idiot to take the term 'non essential' seriously, here.  I work in scientific research, and all the researchers are considered 'non essential', because they aren't the ones keeping the lights on, the HVAC running, the building secure, etc.  So if you cut all your 'non essential' employees, you would no longer have a research institution, just an empty building properly staffed to keep lights on in empty rooms.
 
2013-10-04 08:09:09 PM

rwhamann: mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.

Non-essential is absolutely the worst word they could have used.  It implies that these are jobs that could go away.  It's like saying that because you only need a checker and a bagger to check out your groceries, the store no longer needs to employ janitors.


Exactly.

In reality "essential" just means immediately essential.  As in if they aren't on the job the country will go to hell in a hand-basket before they finish the drive home.  There are serious, and in many cases dire, consequences if those 800,000 people are off the job indefinitely.
 
2013-10-04 08:12:30 PM

Target Builder: This might be a bad idea. If the Libs succeed in this the GOP will probably never cooperate or compromise with them again.


*silent room, everyone staring at Target Builder*

*Room bursts into uncontrollable laughter.
 
2013-10-04 08:15:22 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Infernalist: The freepers are full of terrified thunder and fury.

here are the GOPers they're suggesting will vote 'Yes'

Peter T. King of New York,
Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Grimm of New York,
Mike Simpson of Idaho,
Devin Nunes of California,
C.W. Bill Young of Florida,
Erik Paulsen of Minnesota,
Frank A. LoBiondo of New Jersey,
Leonard Lance of New Jersey,
Jon Runyan of New Jersey,
Lou Barletta of Pennsylvania,
Jim Gerlach of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania,
Patrick Meehan of Pennsylvania,
Frank R. Wolf of Virginia,
J. Randy Forbes of Virginia,
Rob Wittman of Virginia and
Scott Rigell of Virginia.

Hey look! My Teatard rep isn't on the list of people trying to do something productive. Again!


And I see the worthless ones from my state are on that list too.  I'm half hoping the Christie reelection campaign calls again - I want to yell at them.  I know it's a different set of people who run the various places but R's stumping for $$ need to be told no cookie for you.
 
2013-10-04 08:21:17 PM
Since the House and Senate disagree to the continuing resolution, they should pass a (temporary) measure to fund government at previous levels.

Is that hard?
 
2013-10-04 08:22:53 PM

Phil McKraken: Since the House and Senate disagree to the continuing resolution, they should pass a (temporary) measure to fund government at previous levels.

Is that hard?


That's exactly what the continuing resolution is.

/not sure if serious
 
2013-10-04 08:23:13 PM

MadHatter500: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Infernalist: The freepers are full of terrified thunder and fury.

here are the GOPers they're suggesting will vote 'Yes'

Peter T. King of New York,
Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Grimm of New York,
Mike Simpson of Idaho,
Devin Nunes of California,
C.W. Bill Young of Florida,
Erik Paulsen of Minnesota,
Frank A. LoBiondo of New Jersey,
Leonard Lance of New Jersey,
Jon Runyan of New Jersey,
Lou Barletta of Pennsylvania,
Jim Gerlach of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania,
Patrick Meehan of Pennsylvania,
Frank R. Wolf of Virginia,
J. Randy Forbes of Virginia,
Rob Wittman of Virginia and
Scott Rigell of Virginia.

Hey look! My Teatard rep isn't on the list of people trying to do something productive. Again!

And I see the worthless ones from my state are on that list too.  I'm half hoping the Christie reelection campaign calls again - I want to yell at them.  I know it's a different set of people who run the various places but R's stumping for $$ need to be told no cookie for you.


I can't believe Dave Reichert isn't on that list.  He is not a teatard and he has broken with party before.
 
2013-10-04 08:29:15 PM

bwilson27: lantawa:

As far as her "accomplishments," yeah, when both the Senate and House are controlled by one party, along with El Presidente being of the same party, gee whiz, an awful lot gets done with other peoples' money.  Here's the bottom line.  You think that someone like Pelosi "governs" you.  I know, for a fact, that someone like Pelosi SERVES me.  Get more people to understand and act on that glaringly obvious fact, and we'd have a hell of a lot better government that would be serving at our pleasure, and not at our excessive expense...,

Hey Derpstick- Tell me how anyone in the GOP serves the public? Serve? Serve??They should be serving a prison sentence for fraud and theft.

HAHAHA!!! You actually think someone in the GOP SERVES the American public!!! HAHAHA!!! Let me laugh again, farkface.


You're out of order....reel it in a bit. And use different bait.
 
2013-10-04 08:32:49 PM

impaler: Phil McKraken: Since the House and Senate disagree to the continuing resolution, they should pass a (temporary) measure to fund government at previous levels.

Is that hard?

That's exactly what the continuing resolution is.

/not sure if serious


That's what a continuing resolution is SUPPOSED to be. Let John Boehner know.
 
2013-10-04 08:34:35 PM

anfrind: timujin: bwilson27: mgshamster:
My representative has a list of these. Here's some more:

A man from Sonora writes, "I have just received my projected healthcare cost for this coming year through Kaiser. The premium will be increasing by 43.8%. Healthcare is becoming increasingly unafford ...

What a farking croc. Total and complete bullshiat and lies.

well, anecdotal evidence is a kind of evidence, right?

In the real world, though, health care inflation rates are predicted to slow going into 2014:

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=health+care+inflation+histor ic al+data&oq=historical+healthcare+inflation+&gs_l=serp.1.4.0i13i10j0i22 i10i30j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j0i22i30.316184.324764.0.326344.36.31.2.2.2.0 .186.3212.14j17.31.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..9.27.2071.fVHZhyjaSfg

It's also very easy to re-frame the numbers to make it look like they're going up way more than they actually are.  For example, I have a pretty nice health plan through my employer that costs me about $20 per month, but next year the cost-share is changing from 90-10 to 85-15, which means I'll have to pay for 15% of the monthly bill instead of 10%.  Which means that even if the monthly rate doesn't change at all, the amount I pay will go up 50%.

Sounds pretty bad, until you realize that a 50% increase really means that it's going up from about $20/month to $30/month.


My point was that anecdotal evidence, even yours, doesn't mean much.  Overall, healthcare costs in this country are going to go up, just as they've gone up every year since health insurance was a thing.  Only next year, they're projected to not go up as fast as in the past.  And portents of doom and gloom from "mgshamster's representative" don't change that.
 
2013-10-04 08:42:12 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this


Fox News. Hannity is calling it the Obama Shutdown.
 
2013-10-04 08:48:46 PM

nekom: DamnYankees: nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.

Why not? The Democrats have nothing to be embarrassed about if the vote fails. That's one of the advantages of being in the minority.

No, but why would they bother?  So far the GOP is the one kicking and screaming while the Democrats silently wait.  Why change that?


Simple. It's the right thing to do. If the Dems can come up with a way to end this, then they should. Anyone not locked onto Fox News knows that Boner could have ended this before it started. A clean CR was ready to go and would have passed IF he would have brought it to the floor.

Bonus for the Dems is that doing the right thing also makes them look good. Right now, the right noise engine is trying to put the blame on everyone but the Republicans (Tea Party especially). Everything the Dems do to try to end this is not just the right thing but counters the noise with reality.
 
2013-10-04 08:53:22 PM

timujin: anfrind: timujin: bwilson27: mgshamster:
My representative has a list of these. Here's some more:

A man from Sonora writes, "I have just received my projected healthcare cost for this coming year through Kaiser. The premium will be increasing by 43.8%. Healthcare is becoming increasingly unafford ...

What a farking croc. Total and complete bullshiat and lies.

well, anecdotal evidence is a kind of evidence, right?

In the real world, though, health care inflation rates are predicted to slow going into 2014:

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=health+care+inflation+histor ic al+data&oq=historical+healthcare+inflation+&gs_l=serp.1.4.0i13i10j0i22 i10i30j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j0i22i30.316184.324764.0.326344.36.31.2.2.2.0 .186.3212.14j17.31.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..9.27.2071.fVHZhyjaSfg

It's also very easy to re-frame the numbers to make it look like they're going up way more than they actually are.  For example, I have a pretty nice health plan through my employer that costs me about $20 per month, but next year the cost-share is changing from 90-10 to 85-15, which means I'll have to pay for 15% of the monthly bill instead of 10%.  Which means that even if the monthly rate doesn't change at all, the amount I pay will go up 50%.

Sounds pretty bad, until you realize that a 50% increase really means that it's going up from about $20/month to $30/month.

My point was that anecdotal evidence, even yours, doesn't mean much.  Overall, healthcare costs in this country are going to go up, just as they've gone up every year since health insurance was a thing.  Only next year, they're projected to not go up as fast as in the past.  And portents of doom and gloom from "mgshamster's representative" don't change that.


No need to use scare-quotes. I'll link to all the derp:

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/10/the-real-world-of-obamacare.shtml

/Sorry, on a mobile, can't hyperlink
//Watch out for the Fark inserted spaces
 
2013-10-04 08:58:23 PM

shamanwest: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this

Fox News. Hannity is calling it the Obama Shutdown.


He's one of the few:

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Blinders On: How the Tea Party Led Republicans Straight To Political Suicide
 
2013-10-04 09:01:10 PM

mgshamster: timujin: anfrind: timujin: bwilson27: mgshamster:
My representative has a list of these. Here's some more:

A man from Sonora writes, "I have just received my projected healthcare cost for this coming year through Kaiser. The premium will be increasing by 43.8%. Healthcare is becoming increasingly unafford ...

What a farking croc. Total and complete bullshiat and lies.

well, anecdotal evidence is a kind of evidence, right?

In the real world, though, health care inflation rates are predicted to slow going into 2014:

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=health+care+inflation+histor ic al+data&oq=historical+healthcare+inflation+&gs_l=serp.1.4.0i13i10j0i22 i10i30j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j0i22i30.316184.324764.0.326344.36.31.2.2.2.0 .186.3212.14j17.31.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..9.27.2071.fVHZhyjaSfg

It's also very easy to re-frame the numbers to make it look like they're going up way more than they actually are.  For example, I have a pretty nice health plan through my employer that costs me about $20 per month, but next year the cost-share is changing from 90-10 to 85-15, which means I'll have to pay for 15% of the monthly bill instead of 10%.  Which means that even if the monthly rate doesn't change at all, the amount I pay will go up 50%.

Sounds pretty bad, until you realize that a 50% increase really means that it's going up from about $20/month to $30/month.

My point was that anecdotal evidence, even yours, doesn't mean much.  Overall, healthcare costs in this country are going to go up, just as they've gone up every year since health insurance was a thing.  Only next year, they're projected to not go up as fast as in the past.  And portents of doom and gloom from "mgshamster's representative" don't change that.

No need to use scare-quotes. I'll link to all the derp:

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/10/the-real-world-of-obamacare.shtml

/Sorry, on a mobile, can't hyperlink
//Watch out for the Fark inserted spaces


And I'm saying he's a lying liar McLiarson from Liarsville.
 
2013-10-04 09:04:06 PM

shamanwest: Bonus for the Dems is that doing the right thing also makes them look good.


THIS.  If they pull this off, it will forever cement the narrative that the GOP began the shutdown, the GOP continued the shutdown despite a solution existing that the majority of the legislature would agree to, and the Dems overcame the GOP's obstinate behavior and got the nation back on track.
 
2013-10-04 09:08:39 PM

bwilson27: mgshamster:
My representative has a list of these. Here's some more:

A man from Sonora writes, "I have just received my projected healthcare cost for this coming year through Kaiser. The premium will be increasing by 43.8%. Healthcare is becoming increasingly unafford ...

What a farking croc. Total and complete bullshiat and lies.


Especially funny for anybody who has any knowledge of Kaiser Permanente.  Non-profit HMOs don't work that way...

/used to work in healthcare
//so glad I got out
///not because of the ACA though - I just really hate the industry
 
2013-10-04 09:09:31 PM

Dog Welder: You might see a few seats switch but the biggest derpers are dug in so deep in very red gerrymandered districts that they have no chance of being ousted.


I'm thinking this has gotten so bad that Soros, Fox News, Rush, the RNC, etc will be prepared to thrown down hard against some of the tea party to get mainstream Republicans in.  So some of the t-boys might find themselves primaried.  Especially so in safe red districts.   A lot of it will be subtle, local party bosses being told 'off the record' that their congressperson will never get anything passed so they might as well back the challenger, especially if they want to see that development project funded at the state level.  Logrolling and stuff.

Yes, I know Fox especially is defending the t-party, but that is a show of unity at the moment.  In out of the way, low information primary elections, the shivs will come out.  Hell, you KNOW they're looking for someone to work on taking out Cruz starting in 4 years.  Parties hate people they can't control.
 
2013-10-04 09:12:36 PM

timujin: mgshamster: timujin: anfrind: timujin: bwilson27: mgshamster:
My representative has a list of these. Here's some more:

A man from Sonora writes, "I have just received my projected healthcare cost for this coming year through Kaiser. The premium will be increasing by 43.8%. Healthcare is becoming increasingly unafford ...

What a farking croc. Total and complete bullshiat and lies.

well, anecdotal evidence is a kind of evidence, right?

In the real world, though, health care inflation rates are predicted to slow going into 2014:

https://www.google.com/search?num=100&q=health+care+inflation+histor ic al+data&oq=historical+healthcare+inflation+&gs_l=serp.1.4.0i13i10j0i22 i10i30j0i22i30j0i22i10i30j0i22i30.316184.324764.0.326344.36.31.2.2.2.0 .186.3212.14j17.31.0....0...1c.1.27.serp..9.27.2071.fVHZhyjaSfg

It's also very easy to re-frame the numbers to make it look like they're going up way more than they actually are.  For example, I have a pretty nice health plan through my employer that costs me about $20 per month, but next year the cost-share is changing from 90-10 to 85-15, which means I'll have to pay for 15% of the monthly bill instead of 10%.  Which means that even if the monthly rate doesn't change at all, the amount I pay will go up 50%.

Sounds pretty bad, until you realize that a 50% increase really means that it's going up from about $20/month to $30/month.

My point was that anecdotal evidence, even yours, doesn't mean much.  Overall, healthcare costs in this country are going to go up, just as they've gone up every year since health insurance was a thing.  Only next year, they're projected to not go up as fast as in the past.  And portents of doom and gloom from "mgshamster's representative" don't change that.

No need to use scare-quotes. I'll link to all the derp:

http://mcclintock.house.gov/2013/10/the-real-world-of-obamacare.shtml

/Sorry, on a mobile, can't hyperlink
//Watch out for the Fark inserted spaces

And I'm saying he's a lying liar McLiarson from Liarsville.


Oh, I totally agree. I was just making sure that I wasn't being tied to the derp in a negative way. I'm happy to point it out, but it ain't me saying it. :)
 
2013-10-04 09:16:51 PM

mgshamster: Oh, I totally agree. I was just making sure that I wasn't being tied to the derp in a negative way. I'm happy to point it out, but it ain't me saying it. :)


Ah, all clear.  That's happened a couple of times to me today, hard to tell the difference between derp and someone just giving examples of the same.
 
2013-10-04 09:17:17 PM

bwilson27: sobriquet by any other name: ItsMyNameYouCantHaveIt: There is SO MUCH freeper butthurt....

--"They may have many "wobblies,"
********
That word is too kind. Their votes could blow up the Republican Party for good. They are only looking out for their own hides and could care less about bigger causes."


**in regards to the list of 18 repubs willing to sign**
--"A handy list for the 2014 cycle. Time to "clean" house."


--"It might seem suicidal but I would insist that the Pubs who break ranks leave the party. If we lose our majority so be it. We are in a fight for our lives. We will have a better opportunity to regain the House and Senate if the public knows the Pubs stand for liberty and an end to tyranny and are willing to fight for it."

Since conservative freepers are so idiotically able to believe everything they read so long as they think it comes from old, spittle-soaked Caucasian gentlemen, i see absolutely no problem having their rank and file (and trolls from across the spectrum) convince them how "right" they are.

it's delicious, seeing how their penchant for dis-believing every piece of math and logic ever makes them infinitely manipulatable... by anyone, for any reason. Up until now, it was to use them to bolster an obviously tired republican wing.. but now i'm convinced the "echo chamber" is running out of oxygen as trolls convince them to breath deeper and deeper. It's surreal, and, did I mention, delicious?

/If you live without regard for math, prepare to be divided
//...facts, too

Plus, the innerwebs leveled the lying game. sure, there are still plenty of old suckers out there too derp to find out the truth, but the rest of the populace is slowly getting this fact. It's hard to live in a bubble when the greatest bubble-popper in the world is virtually everywhere. Soon the derps will either die off or finally get a clue, THEN the last stronghold of the Right Wing (Ignorance and lies) will be shattered forever.


People don't use the Internet to change their minds. They use it to reinforce their worldviews.
 
2013-10-04 09:19:07 PM

timujin: Speaker John Boehner needs to stand up to Republican Party zealots
Republicans Are No Longer the Party of Business
Ted Cruz is Destroying the Republican Party
Why the Republican Party Can't Win
The humiliated, bizarre Republican Party: What happens next
Shutdown fight reveals deeper splits within the GOP
Blame Every Single Republican For the Government Shutdown
Republican Party Loses Even Fox News Host Brian Kilmeade
Blinders On: How the Tea Party Led Republicans Straight To Political Suicide


Looks like the rebranding is going smashingly! Stay strong, gop!
 
2013-10-04 09:19:09 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: shamanwest: Bonus for the Dems is that doing the right thing also makes them look good.

THIS.  If they pull this off, it will forever cement the narrative that the GOP began the shutdown, the GOP continued the shutdown despite a solution existing that the majority of the legislature would agree to, and the Dems overcame the GOP's obstinate behavior and got the nation back on track.


It's looking more and more like Ted Cruz is a (D) operative.

I bet he heroically takes the credit for this coup and switches back to D-dom when the tide ebbs and flows.
 
2013-10-04 09:19:56 PM

sendtodave: People don't use the Internet to change their minds. They use it to reinforce their worldviews.


I don't know about "people", but I know my views have changed due to the internet and I've seen other Farkers opinions change over time as well.
 
2013-10-04 09:20:17 PM

Non-evil Monkey: rwhamann: mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.

Non-essential is absolutely the worst word they could have used.  It implies that these are jobs that could go away.  It's like saying that because you only need a checker and a bagger to check out your groceries, the store no longer needs to employ janitors.

Exactly.

In reality "essential" just means immediately essential.  As in if they aren't on the job the country will go to hell in a hand-basket before they finish the drive home.  There are serious, and in many cases dire, consequences if those 800,000 people are off the job indefinitely.


Drown it in the bath tub.
 
2013-10-04 09:21:00 PM

Kuroshin: bwilson27: mgshamster:
My representative has a list of these. Here's some more:

A man from Sonora writes, "I have just received my projected healthcare cost for this coming year through Kaiser. The premium will be increasing by 43.8%. Healthcare is becoming increasingly unafford ...

What a farking croc. Total and complete bullshiat and lies.

Especially funny for anybody who has any knowledge of Kaiser Permanente.  Non-profit HMOs don't work that way...

/used to work in healthcare
//so glad I got out
///not because of the ACA though - I just really hate the industry


You know, I didn't even notice it was Kaiser. I have kaiser, and my costs went down last year and are staying the same this year.

On the other hand, my mom has Kaiser too, through Cal Cobra, and her costs are going from ~$350/mo to ~$700/mo (silver plan). I don't know anything about cobra, though, so I don't know why it was so much cheaper, especially for someone in their 60s with lots of medical issues. Her Cal Cobra ends at the end of the year, and I don't know if that's because of Obama care or if cobra has a time limit and she's reached it.
 
2013-10-04 09:21:51 PM

shamanwest: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this

Fox News. Hannity is calling it the Obama Shutdown.


Niiiiiiiice.
 
2013-10-04 09:32:51 PM

cman: Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?

Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.


So then according to you it does absolutely nothing?

The congress can decide to follow it or not? That makes no sense.
 
2013-10-04 09:35:18 PM

cman: Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?

Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.


So according to you after the civil war they north created a system to make it easier for the southern states to blackmail them by defaulting on the debt?

Why the fark would they do that?
 
2013-10-04 09:37:44 PM
After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

These so called leaders are idiots, the Republicans who vote to discharge will never vote to replace the bill with a "clean" one without the cuts.  So basically, we give the Republicans the draconian cuts they want, and with Democrat votes.


www.mindparts.org
 
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