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(Washington Post) NewsFlash BREAKING: House Democrats announce they will bring discharge petition to the floor of the House to pass a clean CR, circumventing the Speaker and the House Majority   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 718
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2013-10-04 03:44:21 PM  

I Said: I hate that "sequester levels" are the new normal that we have to strive towards. Can't change that at all to make it "full farking funding"?


Honestly, everyone with half a brain knew that spending was going to have to go down and taxes were going to have to go up. The sequester allowed that to happen with nobody having to shoulder the blame.
 
2013-10-04 03:44:28 PM  

Infernalist: Bareefer Obonghit: jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.

Yeah it's a thing that alerts members on the list every time a topic comes up that falls under it. For example, every time a gun issue comes up in FReeperville, anyone on the BANG!! List gets pinged. It's a feature from roughly 2 decades ago.

Freepland is a relic of a time long past, when threaded comments were a distant dream of what the future might look like.

Their denizens are mutated and twisted by long isolation from the rest of the world.  They hate the outside world and blame it for their painful existence.  They are led by a madman and yearn for the end of all existence so that their pain will end.

They are powerless in the larger world, but woe to any who go there in search of Purified Derp, for their threads are a maze and those who try to decipher them often lose themselves to madness and rage.

Venture there only out of necessity, young ones.  Man was never meant to see such things.


I love this. Well done, sir.
 
2013-10-04 03:44:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

I had to look up the Paul comment.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

WTF does that even mean?


It means their leadership is mostly concerned with winning the Poll war.  And they're losing it horribly.
 
2013-10-04 03:44:40 PM  

spongeboob: parasol: DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.

What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?

Well if profits him one world for starters.


I'm pretty sure that puts you in a higher tax bracket.
 
2013-10-04 03:45:02 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?
 
2013-10-04 03:45:07 PM  

Corvus: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.


Yeah there is this gem too:

The dems used some back handed trick to pass Obama care... IIRC L ouise slaughter of NY brain washed some procedure and got it to the senate and back and called it okay to do... and it was passed, by all democrats


Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.
 
2013-10-04 03:45:54 PM  

BMulligan: imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?

When I was in law school, my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits." I thought that was a terribly cynical view, until I suffered the humiliation of having a case dismissed on the eve of trial due to a technical problem with service of process (by this time the statute of limitations had run, so I could not cure the defect). Now I don't know if it's better to win on procedure than on the merits, but I damn sure know that it's worse to lose on procedure than on the merits.


Damn.  That sucks.

I see what the professor is saying, though.  A solid procedural argument is pretty much a guaranteed win, while a solid argument on the merits can still be undone by a "something to hang your hat on" ruling or a jury that just likes the other side more for whatever reason.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:16 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

/doubts it'll work
//still farks over the GOP

The fun thing will be to watch how fast the GOP will have to spin from "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown and killing kids with cancer" to "Democrats want to fund everything at once and save kids with cancer, but this is now bad." If the bill passes, the GOP takes one on the jaw, hard. If the bill fails, there's yet another mental lurch they have to make to get back to "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown."

The GOP looks like idiots or assholes regardless.


They have gone way beyond caring about stuff like that.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:43 PM  

BMulligan: my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits."


Your professor sounds lazy and like he didn't care to defend the merits of his cases.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:47 PM  

birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]


The horror... the horror...
 
2013-10-04 03:46:50 PM  

cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10


He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:50 PM  
If this happens imma laugh my ass off
 
2013-10-04 03:47:04 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The GOP looks like idiots or assholes regardless



FTFY
 
2013-10-04 03:47:08 PM  

Corvus: That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-10-04 03:47:30 PM  
jst3p:
Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.

Heck, they seem to feel that blocking a vote with procedure is patriotism, actual voting or abiding by a vote is cheating.
 
2013-10-04 03:47:35 PM  

jst3p: The statement is derp on a number of levels. Who would cheat if they could win honestly? Who would actually believe anyone else, even their opposition, would do that?


So, apparently "cheating" is the talking point du jour.  FYI, "cheating" is what happens when one or more parties doesn't follow the rules. The discharge petition has been a part of House rules for about a century now.

/is it hard to sit with so much butthurt?
 
2013-10-04 03:47:36 PM  

Weaver95: If this happens imma laugh my ass off


It has a history of working.  They pulled it off in 2002 against Denny Hastert.
 
2013-10-04 03:47:45 PM  

fenianfark: cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10

He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.


What's awesome is that it could be a real Freeper, or one of you farks posting over there.  Poe's law, we'll never know.
 
2013-10-04 03:47:54 PM  

jst3p: Corvus: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.

Yeah there is this gem too:

The dems used some back handed trick to pass Obama care... IIRC L ouise slaughter of NY brain washed some procedure and got it to the senate and back and called it okay to do... and it was passed, by all democrats


Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.


I love their logic. Majority voting to get things passed is "cheating" and a "backhanded trick". Holding the use hostage to black mail people into votes is the honest way.

These people have their heads up their ass so far.
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:48:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."


i.imgur.com
cdn.fd.uproxx.com
 
2013-10-04 03:48:35 PM  

Bontesla: I think there are more than 18 that support the shutdown. Doesn't the 18 refer to the signatories?


Yes.
 
2013-10-04 03:48:38 PM  

Infernalist: Weaver95: If this happens imma laugh my ass off

It has a history of working.  They pulled it off in 2002 against Denny Hastert.


The screams from the tea derpers alone would make it worthwhile.
 
2013-10-04 03:48:41 PM  

Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

So according to you the Republicans then are being disobeying the constitution then?


I'm certainly not a Fourteenth Amendment scholar. But the House wouldn't be disobeying the Constitution in any event.

The problem with the so-called Fourteenth Amendment solution is that it really just talks about obligations. So as long as the President pays the debt obligations using the incoming revenues the Constitution is probably satisfied. He probably can't raise any more money than needed to fulfill the debt obligation.
 
2013-10-04 03:49:14 PM  

Infernalist: Bareefer Obonghit: jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.

Yeah it's a thing that alerts members on the list every time a topic comes up that falls under it. For example, every time a gun issue comes up in FReeperville, anyone on the BANG!! List gets pinged. It's a feature from roughly 2 decades ago.

Freepland is a relic of a time long past, when threaded comments were a distant dream of what the future might look like.

Their denizens are mutated and twisted by long isolation from the rest of the world.  They hate the outside world and blame it for their painful existence.  They are led by a madman and yearn for the end of all existence so that their pain will end.

They are powerless in the larger world, but woe to any who go there in search of Purified Derp, for their threads are a maze and those who try to decipher them often lose themselves to madness and rage.

Venture there only out of necessity, young ones.  Man was never meant to see such things.


moviecitynews.com
 
2013-10-04 03:49:43 PM  

SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.


Ending the shutdown with a clean CR is more important than embarrassing Boehner, who looks quite weak enough as it is.
 
2013-10-04 03:49:45 PM  

imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?


I keep looking at this and thinking "You see GOP, this is why you never go all in on an opponent with two islands untapped."
 
2013-10-04 03:49:51 PM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: fenianfark: cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10

He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.

What's awesome is that it could be a real Freeper, or one of you farks posting over there.  Poe's law, we'll never know.


Oh, they're very quick to ban anyone who doesn't toe the line.  Multiple purges in the last RNC primary season.  It was a digital Night of the Long Knives.  Repeatedly.  In truth, it's a fascinating study into the conservative mind that is so clear and vile in its expression that simply immersing yourself in the derp now and again will render you all but immune to the tired-ass trolls here on Fark.
 
2013-10-04 03:49:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

I had to look up the Paul comment.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

WTF does that even mean?


May I?

Paul added "I think if we keep saying (to the public) "We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and we're willing to compromise on this (even though that isn't true), I think they (dems) can't (pause, well, the are), we're gonna (not really convinced but trying hard) I think....well I know we dont want to be here (we f*cked) but we're gonna win this, I think (not really but lets be positive).

Just what I took away
 
2013-10-04 03:50:15 PM  

Weaver95: If this happens imma laugh my ass off


Agreed... GOP is getting played like fiddles. I would be embarrassed for them if they weren't a bunch of mean-spirited, ignorant assholes who deserve whatever they get.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:01 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

I had to look up the Paul comment.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

WTF does that even mean?


It means that they are farked.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:01 PM  

DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.


The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:06 PM  

Corvus: jst3p: Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.

I love their logic. Majority voting to get things passed is "cheating" and a "backhanded trick". Holding the use hostage to black mail people into votes is the honest way.


In fairness, they've listened, over and over and over, to people telling them that Obamacare was passed quickly, in the dead of the night, and nobody was allowed to read the bill before it was voted on.

So it's not entirely their fault that they are misinformed.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:49 PM  
If this turns out to be true, I just want to have posted in this thread.

/please make this be true.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:51 PM  

Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?


Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.
 
2013-10-04 03:52:21 PM  

jst3p: Corvus: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.

Yeah there is this gem too:

The dems used some back handed trick to pass Obama care... IIRC L ouise slaughter of NY brain washed some procedure and got it to the senate and back and called it okay to do... and it was passed, by all democrats


Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.


You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.
 
2013-10-04 03:52:36 PM  
So the House Republicans are acting like coonts? Color me surprised.
 
2013-10-04 03:52:52 PM  

birdmanesq: The problem with the so-called Fourteenth Amendment solution is that it really just talks about obligations. So as long as the President pays the debt obligations using the incoming revenues the Constitution is probably satisfied. He probably can't raise any more money than needed to fulfill the debt obligation.


Yeah, IIRC, the point of the section was for the government to reject explicitly the assumption of Confederate debt, while guaranteeing that all other debts were still owed.
 
2013-10-04 03:53:49 PM  

Infernalist: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: fenianfark: cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10

He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.

What's awesome is that it could be a real Freeper, or one of you farks posting over there.  Poe's law, we'll never know.

Oh, they're very quick to ban anyone who doesn't toe the line.  Multiple purges in the last RNC primary season.  It was a digital Night of the Long Knives.  Repeatedly.  In truth, it's a fascinating study into the conservative mind that is so clear and vile in its expression that simply immersing yourself in the derp now and again will render you all but immune to the tired-ass trolls here on Fark.


It's kind of a shame. In 2003 and 4 it was full of smart, funny people whose politics I disagreed with. It was also instrumental in setting the talking points as opposed to just parroting them.

Then came Rathergate, and it was over very.quickly after that.
 
2013-10-04 03:54:13 PM  

Corvus: so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills


Oh shiat...
 
2013-10-04 03:54:18 PM  

nmrsnr: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Though you lose your soul, you shall win the world.

--Mandate Catechism

I just finished the first book. Hopefully the rest get delivered today.


The Tea Party is literally the Consult.

I'm afraid Obama may be Kellhus.
 
2013-10-04 03:54:20 PM  

Rwa2play: You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.


Can you translate this to non-carney?

Heels and faces?
 
2013-10-04 03:54:35 PM  

TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.


To be fair they are looking out for their jobs. They know if the break ranks it will probably cost them their job by getting primaried by the teabaggers next year.
 
2013-10-04 03:54:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.


Not all of them.  Some of them tried to lauch a coup and force a vote on a clean CR on the eve of the shutdown.  Peter King and about 13 others.

Granted, they're still GOPers, so they're retarded conservatives, but they're not insane enough to want to close the government.

The problem is that Boehner won't hold a vote on a clean CR because if he does, the TP will burn him down and replace him with someone else and he 'likes' being Speaker.

This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers.  I did my best."
 
2013-10-04 03:56:19 PM  
I bet the GOP is relieved that the democrats are saving them from themselves.
 
2013-10-04 03:56:33 PM  

imontheinternet: BMulligan: imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?

When I was in law school, my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits." I thought that was a terribly cynical view, until I suffered the humiliation of having a case dismissed on the eve of trial due to a technical problem with service of process (by this time the statute of limitations had run, so I could not cure the defect). Now I don't know if it's better to win on procedure than on the merits, but I damn sure know that it's worse to lose on procedure than on the merits.

Damn.  That sucks.

I see what the professor is saying, though.  A solid procedural argument is pretty much a guaranteed win, while a solid argument on the merits can still be undone by a "something to hang your hat on" ruling or a jury that just likes the other side more for whatever reason.


Exactly. By the way, that professor was one of the smartest people I've ever met - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law where she was the first woman ever elected Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, clerked for Justice Blackmun, and now sits on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nice as pie, too.
 
2013-10-04 03:56:49 PM  

Infernalist: spongeboob: Infernalist: Guarantee you that this GOPer came to the Dems with this bill in hand and said "This might help."

Guaranteed.

There's no way that the Democrats found this somewhere stuffed away.  This is Boehner's way out.

So you think that Boehner had this planned all along.

What color is the sky in your world?

I'm saying Boehner got backed into this shutdown because the derpers are insane and he likes being Speaker.

I'm saying that either he or another GOP critter found this 'aged' bill sitting around and realized what could be done with it.

I'm saying he's privately backing the CR and has 18 or so GOPers that will fall on a grenade and vote Yes because their seats are relatively safe.

I'm saying he made a deal with Pelosi and the President, allowing the House Democrats to do an end-run around the Speaker's chair and he can look mad about it while privately allowing it so that the country can reopen in defiance of the Derper brigade's insanity.


You are saying that the Democrats aren't smart enough to find this bill, but Boehner or another Repbulican were, and not only smart enough to find the bill, but they are giving it to the Democrats because they just love America that much, well not enough to just bring a clean CR to the floor but enough to save it.


YOU just really want Boehner to be the hero in this don't you?
 
2013-10-04 03:56:51 PM  

lockers: I bet the GOP is relieved that the democrats are saving them from themselves.


This is likely very much the case for the non-TP caucus GOPers.
 
2013-10-04 03:56:57 PM  

imontheinternet: Yeah, IIRC, the point of the section was for the government to reject explicitly the assumption of Confederate debt, while guaranteeing that all other debts were still owed.


That was certainly the point at the time, but it is still part of the Supreme Law and may apply to other situations as well.
 
2013-10-04 03:57:15 PM  
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in cantor's office
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:57:34 PM  

Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."


It was probably his idea.
 
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