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2013-10-04 03:01:30 PM  

mainstreet62: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


Sometimes you let the fever burn itself out.
 
2013-10-04 03:02:22 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?


Let's play out the other possible outcomes:

1) Boehner allows a clean CR to come to a vote - Derp goes to unprecedented levels
2) Boehner stalls until debt ceiling day and lets a clean CR go through - Derp goes to unprecedented levels
3) Boehner refuses a vote and the economy crumbles under shutdown - Derp goes to unprecedented levels
etc...

When your opposition has only one possible response no matter what you do, they take themselves out of the equation.  This is exactly what I've been advocating - cutting the GOP out of the process of governance as much as possible.  Next step would be to use coin/14th to bypass the debt ceiling, and get on with regular business and recovery.  The derpers were going to derp no matter what the Dems did, so they might as well do whatever they feel like doing.
 
2013-10-04 03:02:26 PM  
I can't wait to hear what Lankford thinks of this.
 
2013-10-04 03:02:52 PM  

SoupGuru: This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.


On the contrary, this will allow Boehner to vote 'No' on the petition, it'll allow a majority of GOPers to vote 'No' on the petition, and allow 18 'safe' GOPers to vote 'Yes' on the petition and the clean CR passes.

Boehner will be shielded from reprisal, the GOP looks united again, the TPers rage but only against a handful of GOP reps and the country's government reopens.

It's kabuki theater, but it gets the country running again.  fark it, let's do it.
 
2013-10-04 03:03:51 PM  

squidgod2000: Anyone know how long we've been operating on CRs? Put another way, when was the last time Congress passed a budget?


I'm thinking since at least the 2010 election.
 
2013-10-04 03:03:56 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


They were looking for a bill that was aged at least 30 days.  The one the Senate had passed wasn't ripe enough yet.  There's also some ridiculousness about which days they can vote on this.  It's pretty wonky and I wonder if these "moderate" GOPers who say they will vote for a clean bill will actually nut up and vote for it.  That would mean going against the Tea Baggers and Failure In Charge Boehner.

It also puts spending at levels the Dems don't necessarily want, but may be willing to live with to end the shut down so they don't carry any of the burden for starting this.  So the Republicans will sort of win even if they lose on this.  I don't think they will, though.  I bet they stay in lock step with Boehner and then they will really just have to own the shutdown 100%, IMO.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:07 PM  
Crying Boner ad to be played during football on Sunday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/john-boehner-shutdown-ad_n_ 40 44042.html

LMAO
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:04:10 PM  
Boom.
Next up:
www.winningprogressive.org
 
2013-10-04 03:04:21 PM  

GWSuperfan: Infernalist: At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.

Tell you what, if Issa votes for this, I'll give you a month of TF. He's my rep, and while he's not a Teatard, he's pretty freaking retarded.


If it passes, I'll pay for a month of TF for you.  Issa is farking retarded and I'm thinking it'll be Peter King and his cohorts who tried that coup before the shut down that'll vote Yes.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:30 PM  

birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.


Excellent; no need to give in to the austerity freaks.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:31 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: However, once we're clear of the shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis, we can at least go back to good old-fashioned negotiation when it comes to the budget numbers and appropriations. The Democrats haven't said they're unwilling to negotiate, they're just unwilling to negotiate with their backs against the wall regarding the shutdown or the debt ceiling.


This is a bad move.  The republicans won't agree to anything and this will play just like the sequester.  The Republicans refused to negotiate for 8 months on the budget and only decided to do anything when they could hold the debt ceiling and budget limit over the Democrats heads.  This will just lower the government at 1% every 90 days for a long time, it's exactly what the Republicans want.  If the Democrats can't take the House back it will be like economic quick sand
 
2013-10-04 03:04:35 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Considering they're trying this off of the back of a GOP sponsored bill, what are the chances that if it works the Republicans immediately start claiming credit for it like it was their idea all along?


About 100%
 
2013-10-04 03:04:49 PM  

parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks


I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:50 PM  
When Barnes Wallis proposed his bouncing bomb (complete with a filmed test drop) the Royal Navy turned him down. It wasn't that the bomb didn't work. The Royal Navy knew if they used the bomb on the much smaller German Navy, the Luftwaffe could sink many more British ships with the same technology.

Careful, Dems. But do it.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:52 PM  
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude.
 
2013-10-04 03:05:04 PM  

Clutch2013: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

And he'll do so at the cost of his career, because the PR alone would sink him.

This is the point in the movie where the hero's managed to snatch a gun from one of the guards, and now it's gone from being a hostage situation to a Mexican standoff.


I don't know why I find that utterly hilarious, but I do.
 
2013-10-04 03:05:57 PM  

Terpsichore: Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude.


Scathenfrith is the sheenest frith
 
2013-10-04 03:05:57 PM  
So, just to get this straight.  We pass a law that used to be the Repub's, then they freak out and cause a shutdown over it, and we're going to again turn to their legislation to reopen it.

Not sure if pleased that we are beating them with their own bills, or sad that the only bills we are passing used to be theirs.
 
2013-10-04 03:06:12 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?


Has this news hit Freep yet?
 
2013-10-04 03:08:09 PM  
Dems have hit on a way to use a "discharge petition," which forces a House vote if a majority of Representatives signs it, to try to force the issue. Previously, it was thought this could not work, because a discharge petition takes 30 legislative days to ripen, so if this were tried with the clean CR that passed the Senate, this couldn't bear fruit until some time in November.

shiat like this is why our system is broken. If we have a majority wanting to vote for something it should happen then and there. We have a system that lets only party leaders bring things to vote, which makes the majority party in full control. We need to fix it so that anything can get voted on so that the legislation will be more moderate and bi-partisan instead of full controlled by the majority party.
 
2013-10-04 03:08:49 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


You mean in a "Gerald Ford was eaten by wolves" kind of way?
 
2013-10-04 03:08:50 PM  
The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.

*facepalm*

The GOP can't buy themselves a break now, can they? I suspect this is going to work, barring even more byzantine procedural gymnastics that no mere mortal can comprehend. That'll clear the way for the derp brigade to biatch and moan about discharge petitions being unconstitutional, even though it's just inside House baseball.

You watch. That's totally happening.
 
2013-10-04 03:08:53 PM  

Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?


It's a mix of "Wobblie GOPers!!!" and "Touche, Mr. Bond" and "THEY'LL NEVER GET IT DONE FARKING CHEATERS!!!"
 
2013-10-04 03:09:10 PM  

Muta: Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

It give the GOP the narrative that the Dems bypassed democracy.  I don't know how having the majority of the House voting for something could be described as 'bypassing democracy' but I bet someone on FOX will do it.


We should worry that FOX will accuse the Democrats of bypassing democracy? Because I know more about quantum physics than Bryan Kilmeade knows about legislative processes.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:30 PM  

Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?


Yup.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3074941/posts?page=15

"You gotta' respect the ability of the Dems to be so conniving with their Parliamentary tricks. I still despise them for it, but at least they know how to get things done in DC. I wish the Repubs could get a clue...... "

"If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time "


Wow. Just wow.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:33 PM  

birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.


Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:48 PM  

Infernalist: SoupGuru: This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.

On the contrary, this will allow Boehner to vote 'No' on the petition, it'll allow a majority of GOPers to vote 'No' on the petition, and allow 18 'safe' GOPers to vote 'Yes' on the petition and the clean CR passes.

Boehner will be shielded from reprisal, the GOP looks united again, the TPers rage but only against a handful of GOP reps and the country's government reopens.

It's kabuki theater, but it gets the country running again.  fark it, let's do it.


This times a thousand.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:55 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.

*facepalm*

The GOP can't buy themselves a break now, can they? I suspect this is going to work, barring even more byzantine procedural gymnastics that no mere mortal can comprehend. That'll clear the way for the derp brigade to biatch and moan about discharge petitions being unconstitutional, even though it's just inside House baseball.

You watch. That's totally happening.


If they weren't farking retarded scum they wouldn't be republicans now would they.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:57 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: So, just to get this straight.  We pass a law that used to be the Repub's, then they freak out and cause a shutdown over it, and we're going to again turn to their legislation to reopen it.

Not sure if pleased that we are beating them with their own bills, or sad that the only bills we are passing used to be theirs.

 
2013-10-04 03:11:06 PM  
HA!  I'm surprised it took them this long to get the petition together!

Go House minority!  (and the few sane GOPers)
 
2013-10-04 03:11:40 PM  

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.

And I guarantee you, a GOPcritter brought this to Boehner and he sent it across to Pelosi.

He has to find a way out of this, but he can't because of the TP.  This way, he can get out of it, he can get the sane GOPers out of this mess and he can safely shield himself from reprisal because this petition is an end-run around the Speaker's position.  He's powerless to stop it, so they can't truly rage at him over it.


Wouldn't be surprised, even Boehner realizes he can't control the Teahadists in the House.

It allows the GOP to look tough and still allow the CR to pass.  At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.

Either that or, if they're that dumb, the TP will primary but leave those seats vulnerable to a Democrat winning it because...the TPs batshiat crazy.
 
2013-10-04 03:11:44 PM  
Neither CNN nor Fox have anything on this, so I'm guessing it's grandstanding by the Dems since I have 2 emails about it from them.
 
2013-10-04 03:11:49 PM  
Wait. The democrats' solution is to bring us to sequester funding levels. That makes sequester the new status quo. That means that Republicans have successfully shut down a number of government programs.

I don't like this solution at all.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:12 PM  
Wow. Smart. Congrats to whoever thought this up. Probably some young interns.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:17 PM  

birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.


I always picture Martin Sheen emerging from the river and The End is playing when ever anyone goes 'upriver' to freepland.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:21 PM  

stovepipe: Crying Boner ad to be played during football on Sunday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/john-boehner-shutdown-ad_n_ 40 44042.html

LMAO


They couldn't find a clip of him actually crying for the end of it? :P
 
2013-10-04 03:12:33 PM  

ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.


well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party
 
2013-10-04 03:12:39 PM  
This... this is why I keep an eye on politics.

Because this is f**kin' beautiful. And on a "news-dump" Friday, too.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:55 PM  
I'll believe that 17 GOPers will jump ship when I see it.   There are a lot of moderates that talk a big game to the press when it comes to hypotheticals about breaking away from the party, but when it comes nut cutting time they always stick with the herd.    It's hard to get pork projects approved and into your district when you don't have allies on either side of the aisle.

It will be useful for getting some GOP Representatives in blue and purple states on the voting record for closing the doors of government in 2014 Elections, though.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:57 PM  

birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.


Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".
 
2013-10-04 03:12:59 PM  

ariseatex: AdmirableSnackbar: Except that wouldn't be correct.  It's not just Boehner standing in the way, it's all of the Republicans in the House...at least for now.

FTFA:  At last count, as many as two dozen House Republicans appear prepared to vote for a clean CR. With Democrats included, that means a majority of the House of Representatives would vote right now to reopen the government. But the House GOP leadership won't allow such a vote.

The Post has been reporting this for 48 hours now.  The moment the 17th Republican went on record saying they would vote for a clean CR, any further continuation became entirely Boehner's fault.


This shutdown was a result of all of the Republicans so they all own it, not just Boehner.  Yes, that includes the 17 that now claim they would vote for a clean CR bill.  Just because they have supposedly changed their minds doesn't mean they aren't to blame.  Until they have actually voted to pass a clean CR then putting pressure only on Boehner is useless.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:27 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Wow. Smart. Congrats to whoever thought this up. Probably some young interns.


I feel sorry for sufficiently zealous intern.

He or she had to rifle through a hundred-thousand pages of repealing Obamacare and personhood amendments to find this.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:34 PM  
from freeperville

To: don-o
Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

To: don-o
They will never get to 18.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:34 PM  
The freepers are full of terrified thunder and fury.

here are the GOPers they're suggesting will vote 'Yes'

Peter T. King of New York,
Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Grimm of New York,
Mike Simpson of Idaho,
Devin Nunes of California,
C.W. Bill Young of Florida,
Erik Paulsen of Minnesota,
Frank A. LoBiondo of New Jersey,
Leonard Lance of New Jersey,
Jon Runyan of New Jersey,
Lou Barletta of Pennsylvania,
Jim Gerlach of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania,
Patrick Meehan of Pennsylvania,
Frank R. Wolf of Virginia,
J. Randy Forbes of Virginia,
Rob Wittman of Virginia and
Scott Rigell of Virginia.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:36 PM  
parasol:

We should worry that FOX will accuse the Democrats of bypassing democracy? Because I know more about quantum physics than Bryan Kilmeade knows about legislative processes.
\
FOX isn't going to like something? You don't say! Well, at this point, no matter what, they are going to blame whatever happens on Obama and the Democrats, so does it matter? Just have to proceed without worrying about what they will say because it is always the same.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:52 PM  
Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:02 PM  
I need to go to bed now; I'll have to check back tonight and see how it went.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:07 PM  

jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".



If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:07 PM  

Bf+: Boom.
Next up:
[www.winningprogressive.org image 150x150]


I'm pretty sure that's counterfeit. If it were real, "Farting" would be embossed around the perimeter.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:31 PM  

parasol: ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.

well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party


Christmas was over months ago and she's still got one boob hanging out and is wearing the lamp shade.
 
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