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2013-10-04 03:14:31 PM

parasol: ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.

well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party


Christmas was over months ago and she's still got one boob hanging out and is wearing the lamp shade.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:45 PM

mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.


What the fark is a "non-essential"? I can't stand when people say ignorant shiat like this. You're talking about PEOPLE, not lego blocks. What isn't essential to me may be VERY essential to you. Stop being lazy about cutting waste. You and your kind have to get it through your heads that THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION. Stop trying these general sweeps of layoffs and department closures. You'll have to go into each segment of the govenrment, find out what it is they do, and decide whether or not it can be done as effectively or more efficiently with fewer people or less resources. Just telling everyone they have 10% less money to get shiat done is STUPID and counter-productive.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:51 PM
Words cannot describe how happy this makes me.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:54 PM

Infernalist: SoupGuru: This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.

On the contrary, this will allow Boehner to vote 'No' on the petition, it'll allow a majority of GOPers to vote 'No' on the petition, and allow 18 'safe' GOPers to vote 'Yes' on the petition and the clean CR passes.

Boehner will be shielded from reprisal, the GOP looks united again, the TPers rage but only against a handful of GOP reps and the country's government reopens.

It's kabuki theater, but it gets the country running again.  fark it, let's do it.


Naw, if this works the GOP will look like a bunch of clowns.  Teabaggers will continue their civil war with the  establishment GOP and the Dems will look like the grownups at the table to all reasonable americans.   Dems will be able to hold the Senate in 2014 and maybe pick up a seat or two in the House.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:04 PM

Tigger: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

I always picture Martin Sheen emerging from the river and The End is playing when ever anyone goes 'upriver' to freepland.


Funny. Me too.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:20 PM

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


None of you are reading TFA; right at the end of it the article says the Democrats will take the bill, strip it of all the reduction spending language, and add an amendment that funds a clean CR.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:24 PM
Makes you wonder if the Dems had already figured this out and had it waiting in their back pockets waiting to go when the Republicans started threatening a shutdown.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:55 PM

Infernalist: The freepers are full of terrified thunder and fury.

here are the GOPers they're suggesting will vote 'Yes'


There have been lists of names on Twitter ( I think up to 30?) of Rs that would vote yes on a clean CR if it was brought up.

We'll see.  I don't think they will. I think this won't pass but it will be the beginning of some real ugliness on Capitol Hill.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:02 PM

peterquince: Wait. The democrats' solution is to bring us to sequester funding levels. That makes sequester the new status quo. That means that Republicans have successfully shut down a number of government programs.

I don't like this solution at all.


Incorrect.  Once they have 218 signatures, they can amend the vote to be a clean CR and then vote on it.  In fact, that's the plan.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:03 PM

jst3p: They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.


Thank you, sir. You have done your country a great service.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:16 PM

parasol: ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.

well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party


But Marge made one mistake at the Christmas party, and as bad or embarrassing as what she did might have been, she will be sure to never do it again.

This is Marge making a billion-dollar mistake DAILY, and stubbornly refusing to correct it.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:24 PM

Bendal: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

None of you are reading TFA; right at the end of it the article says the Democrats will take the bill, strip it of all the reduction spending language, and add an amendment that funds a clean CR.


You aren't reading the thread - that update was only added well after we had all posted.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:32 PM

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


And that's the crux of the problem. There is no constitutional remedy for what happens when the House refuses to follow their constitutional mandate.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:34 PM
Also, from Freeperville:

www.freerepublic.com
 
2013-10-04 03:16:42 PM

SnakeLee: This is a bad move


This is actually extremely clever.  They're planning to take a GOP bill that prevents a GOP shutdown, gut it, fill it full of CR, and then dare the GOP to not vote for it.

There is no upside for the GOP anywhere in this.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:42 PM

fenianfark: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Yup.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3074941/posts?page=15

"You gotta' respect the ability of the Dems to be so conniving with their Parliamentary tricks. I still despise them for it, but at least they know how to get things done in DC. I wish the Repubs could get a clue...... "

"If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time "

Wow. Just wow.


FreeRepublic is always good for schadenfreude.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:54 PM

Bendal: None of you are reading TFA; right at the end of it the article says the Democrats will take the bill, strip it of all the reduction spending language, and add an amendment that funds a clean CR.


The CR is at sequester levels.
 
2013-10-04 03:17:31 PM
And we're just now thinking of this because...?
 
2013-10-04 03:17:40 PM

wooden_badger: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

This

This doesn't appear to do anything for the debt ceiling.


Although the threat of default is a LOT more serious than a shutdown, I suspect the threat is a paper tiger at this point. The GOP knows that a default will have extremely dire consequences even if the TP doesn't care. GOP is showing very, very poorly in the polls now (even Fox's) as a result of the shutdown. In many, many people's minds, there isn't much distinction between the shutdown and the default. If the GOP allows default for any reason, they are going to own it, lock, stock and barrel. I strongly suspect that the shutdown was a trial balloon to gauge what a default's political fallout might look like. Well...looks like the trial got out of hand. No matter how you slice or dice this, the GOP and TP are pretty much screwed. As has been said before, hoist on their own retard. Snert
 
2013-10-04 03:18:15 PM

lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?


Because none of the Democrats' bills were 'aged' enough and no one thought to check GOP bills.
 
2013-10-04 03:18:40 PM

mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]


Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.
 
2013-10-04 03:19:22 PM

DamnYankees: Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.


Did no one tell him that it's packed with clean, wholesome Continuing Resolution goodness?
 
2013-10-04 03:19:26 PM

ariseatex: parasol: ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.

well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party

But Marge made one mistake at the Christmas party, and as bad or embarrassing as what she did might have been, she will be sure to never do it again.

This is Marge making a billion-dollar mistake DAILY, and stubbornly refusing to correct it.


oh, I know the details - but I just can't help but seeing Boehner any other way -
not making light of the situation
 
2013-10-04 03:19:28 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.


I was thinking it was the two greatest musical genres, country and western.
 
2013-10-04 03:19:28 PM

jst3p: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.


you severely misspelled republicans in your post there.  several times too.
 
2013-10-04 03:19:44 PM
Good! The Teabagger terrorists need to be stopped.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:04 PM

Marcus Aurelius: DamnYankees: Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.

Did no one tell him that it's packed with clean, wholesome Continuing Resolution goodness?


GOP unity and personal loyalty is trumping everything right now.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:11 PM

lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?


Because starting with a new bill requires a 30 day wait so they had to dig around and find an old bill good enough to repurpose.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:23 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]

Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.


Maybe they mean country music...
 
2013-10-04 03:20:38 PM

DamnYankees: Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.


"Yeah, I support a clean CR"
"Would you mind signing this petition to put a clean CR on the floor"
"I don't support it THAT much"

- The Democrat Machine (@DemocratMachine) October 4, 2013
 
2013-10-04 03:20:44 PM

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"



No, but it arguably creates a Constitutional crisis by placing the President squarely between two provisions of the Constitution.  One way or another, the Constitution is going to be violated (either by borrowing money without Congressional authorization, or by allowing a default).

The simple solution, of course, is to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether or, failing that, to re-institute the Gephardt rule.  As it works currently, the current two-stage process (authorize the spending, then separately authorize the borrowing) serves no purpose other than to allow for the sort of governing by crisis that we've been watching for years.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:51 PM
Bear in mind, this can't be voted on until the 14th.  That's 10 days of shutdown goodness with the GOP's numbers being in the toilet.

They may say 'no' now, but let's see how they feel in 10 days.
 
2013-10-04 03:21:11 PM
Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?
 
2013-10-04 03:21:39 PM

ManateeGag: you severely misspelled republicans in your post there. several times too.


He's been mining the wasteland.  He may have PTSD.  No sudden movements or loud noises, please.
 
2013-10-04 03:21:50 PM
The Politico article www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-house-cr-vote-97849 .html
 
2013-10-04 03:22:35 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]

Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.


Pretty sure they mean Country music.
 
2013-10-04 03:22:41 PM

ariseatex: But Marge made one mistake at the Christmas party, and as bad or embarrassing as what she did might have been, she will be sure to never do it again.

This is Marge making a billion-dollar mistake DAILY, and stubbornly refusing to correct it.


ampoliros: Christmas was over months ago and she's still got one boob hanging out and is wearing the lamp shade.


Your example is more descriptive, let's go with yours.  #BoehnerBoobLampshadeShutdown
 
2013-10-04 03:22:50 PM
great plan except that it would take 2 weeks
 
2013-10-04 03:23:53 PM

you have pee hands: lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?

Because starting with a new bill requires a 30 day wait so they had to dig around and find an old bill good enough to repurpose.


Or they could have introduced a new legislative rule that allows a minority leader to call for an up or down vote for bringing a Senate passed bill to the floor. that would only take 7 days.
 
2013-10-04 03:24:08 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-04 03:24:22 PM
fenianfark: [quoting Freeperville...]  If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time

Yes, because the Republickens haven't been "winning by cheating" at all in this fiasco.

There's even more irony. What an ironic day it's been already. Positively magnetic.
 
2013-10-04 03:24:58 PM

jst3p: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.


Yeah, Gerrymandering isn't cheating at all!  No!!! Not by a long shot!!!!
 
2013-10-04 03:25:09 PM

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.

And I guarantee you, a GOPcritter brought this to Boehner and he sent it across to Pelosi.

He has to find a way out of this, but he can't because of the TP.  This way, he can get out of it, he can get the sane GOPers out of this mess and he can safely shield himself from reprisal because this petition is an end-run around the Speaker's position.  He's powerless to stop it, so they can't truly rage at him over it.

It allows the GOP to look tough and still allow the CR to pass.  At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.


Congressional Kabuki at its finest.

Next up, Speaker Boehner and Representative Cantor will re-enact the death scene from Camille.
 
2013-10-04 03:25:17 PM

ModernPrimitive01: great plan except that it would take 2 weeks


10 days.  And yeah, ten days sucks, but the polls are showing that the American people are increasingly blaming the GOP for this mess and it's only getting worse by the day.

They may not even last til the 14th.
 
2013-10-04 03:25:35 PM

Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?


Can you see the flames yet?
 
2013-10-04 03:26:29 PM

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


Well, that piece of paper also says that "only Congress has the power to declare war" while we have the 1973 War Powers Act.

Someone has to uphold the Constitution and if the Senate can't or won't the President has to. He's the executive.
 
2013-10-04 03:26:45 PM

Skarekrough: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Can you see the flames yet?


They're raging so hard, my window tabs open to freepland are closing themselves spontaneously.
 
2013-10-04 03:27:19 PM

imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?


When I was in law school, my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits." I thought that was a terribly cynical view, until I suffered the humiliation of having a case dismissed on the eve of trial due to a technical problem with service of process (by this time the statute of limitations had run, so I could not cure the defect). Now I don't know if it's better to win on procedure than on the merits, but I damn sure know that it's worse to lose on procedure than on the merits.
 
2013-10-04 03:27:21 PM
img.pandawhale.com
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:27:22 PM

MFAWG: Neither CNN nor Fox have anything on this, so I'm guessing it's grandstanding by the Dems since I have 2 emails about it from them.


Email?  Well, there's your problem.
CNN only reports tweets.
 
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