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2013-10-04 02:48:08 PM  
Hey GOP, Atari!

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2013-10-04 02:48:14 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: The one thing I don't get is that the speaker position is not tied to party. There is nothing in huse rules that says. Pelosi can't be speaker today, just because her party is in the minority.


Yes, but, the speaker needs to be elected by a majority of the House. So it will naturally follow the party. Now, if you have a 3 party system, that's where things could get fun!
 
2013-10-04 02:48:23 PM  

cman: Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


It says "Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article", but I don't see it say that power being reserved to Congress alone.
 
2013-10-04 02:48:29 PM  
My guess is that they'll start attaching items to this bill, which would make it too ridiculous to pass.

/Oh look at that, funding for a webcam in Mila Kunis's shower. Excellent.
//Grants to research the creation of a bacon flavored toothpaste? Terrific
 
2013-10-04 02:48:30 PM  

birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.


Thank goodness.  Otherwise the Teatards will hold the budget negotiations hostage and spin out the clock for the small reductions if they don't get the big ones they wanted.

Compare it to now: time is against the Teatards because they aren't getting anything from the delay.  The Dems aren't moving and they are looking more and more stupid.  If there was an automatic budget reduction then the Dems would be slightly disadvantages because if they didn't do SOMETHING then they know the GOP can get an automatic win by just sitting on their hands and demanding a colony on the Sun....
 
2013-10-04 02:49:20 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.

I suspect that this won't work, but it'll at least show that the Democrats are trying to reopen the government, while the GOP is doing everything they can to keep it shut down. I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.


It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen.  Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

/doubts it'll work
//still farks over the GOP
 
2013-10-04 02:49:39 PM  
So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?
 
2013-10-04 02:50:09 PM  
Awesome. Is it possible for Democrats to pre-emptively set these up for every possible hostage situation from now on?

//Who needs a Speaker?
 
2013-10-04 02:50:14 PM  

DamnYankees: FlyingLizardOfDoom: The one thing I don't get is that the speaker position is not tied to party. There is nothing in huse rules that says. Pelosi can't be speaker today, just because her party is in the minority.

That's true, but speakers needs to be elected by a majority of the whole house. So they always come from the majority party.


So why not bring a vote of no confidence and let the centrist reps join the dems in ousting the teabagger speaker?
 
2013-10-04 02:50:15 PM  

sugardave: ariseatex: FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.

And the GOP-holes give this many farks about you:


I'll let the rest of you celebrate this in terms of left vs. right.  Right now, IMHO, the Democratic party isn't doing enough to pressure Boehner.  They need to be out front and center going to every news agency with the same argument:  "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the debt limit, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the weather, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  Every tweet, every FB post, needs to be about the #BoehnerShutdown.

Anything less says "We'd rather play politics ourselves with the lives of 800,000 furloughed workers in non-political federal positions, as well as their families."
 
2013-10-04 02:51:14 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So why not bring a vote of no confidence and let the centrist reps join the dems in ousting the teabagger speaker?


The Republicans would never, never do that. Remember, the most liberal republican is still more conservative than the most conservative democrat.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:13 PM  

DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.


What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?
 
2013-10-04 02:52:23 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.


Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:29 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: My guess is that they'll start attaching items to this bill, which would make it too ridiculous to pass.

/Oh look at that, funding for a webcam in Mila Kunis's shower. Excellent.
//Grants to research the creation of a bacon flavored toothpaste? Terrific


The petition can't be altered until it comes up with 218 signatures and can only be altered by those that filed the petition vote, a couple of Democrats.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:36 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Because if they win, it's slap in the face to the GOP. If they lose, the GOP looks like they're holding up a compromise.

I don't really think the GOP is going to look any worse.  If the polls are to be believed, most Americans already blame them for the mess.  Guess we'll see how it goes.

I'm of the mentality that if your enemy is to be destroyed, your enemy is to be destroyed utterly.


One hundred years of single party rule. It's the only real solution.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:51 PM  

Somacandra: cman: Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?...The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

The Executive Branch of government is in charge of executing the laws of the land, including the Supreme Law of Land. Of course any attempt could be challenged in court. It hasn't been tried---it would be new territory.


And wouldn't it be fun seeing the House Republicans run into court to assert their right to touch off a worldwide economic depression?
 
2013-10-04 02:52:59 PM  

DamnYankees: timujin: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

So they should put a bill in now to take care of that issue in 30 days in the same manner.

They don't have 30 days to solve that.


What would be the effect of going two weeks without raising the debt ceiling?  Wouldn't it be better to have that available as a backup rather than just hoping the GOP doesn't pull this same shiat and then going even longer?
 
2013-10-04 02:53:01 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


I really think best-case-scenario for us is that they seriously didn't discover this until just now.  Or a shier Rep thought about it but figured if it was possible it would've been done by now, so they kept quiet until recently.
 
2013-10-04 02:54:04 PM  

parasol: What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?


Matthew 16:26, I believe.
 
2013-10-04 02:54:39 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


You would prefer her just write a personal check?
 
2013-10-04 02:54:49 PM  
This is eveen better than the Trillion Dollar Coin with Boehner's face on it. The beauty of it is it would be bipartisan too.

The funny thing is that Boehner and the GOP are begging and pleading for President Obama to throw them any bone no matter how small so they can save some face. It's even funnier how President Obama is just leaving them hanging like they have done him so many times.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:18 PM  

Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

/doubts it'll work
//still farks over the GOP


The fun thing will be to watch how fast the GOP will have to spin from "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown and killing kids with cancer" to "Democrats want to fund everything at once and save kids with cancer, but this is now bad." If the bill passes, the GOP takes one on the jaw, hard. If the bill fails, there's yet another mental lurch they have to make to get back to "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown."

The GOP looks like idiots or assholes regardless.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:40 PM  
If this works and we get a clean CR, that takes a lot the wind out of the Tea Party sails. Sure, they'll scream and cry even harder but moderate GOP'ers might just get enough of a boost to shun the Tea Party cockups for a while.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:40 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


Because nobody expected the GOP to go full retard.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:53 PM  

ariseatex: LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?

I really think best-case-scenario for us is that they seriously didn't discover this until just now.  Or a shier Rep thought about it but figured if it was possible it would've been done by now, so they kept quiet until recently.


It's also possible that they didn't want to have to try this, hoping that everything could be resolved without it.  Or that they weren't sure until now that they could get enough R's to join them.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:55 PM  
Don't you see how huge of a threat the Dems are! Look at them trying to open the government and avert disaster! Oh the humanity!
 
2013-10-04 02:56:01 PM  

ariseatex: sugardave: ariseatex: FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.

And the GOP-holes give this many farks about you:

I'll let the rest of you celebrate this in terms of left vs. right.  Right now, IMHO, the Democratic party isn't doing enough to pressure Boehner.  They need to be out front and center going to every news agency with the same argument:  "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the debt limit, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the weather, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  Every tweet, every FB post, needs to be about the #BoehnerShutdown.

Anything less says "We'd rather play politics ourselves with the lives of 800,000 furloughed workers in non-political federal positions, as well as their families."


Except that wouldn't be correct.  It's not just Boehner standing in the way, it's all of the Republicans in the House...at least for now.
 
2013-10-04 02:56:02 PM  

ariseatex: LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?

I really think best-case-scenario for us is that they seriously didn't discover this until just now.  Or a shier Rep thought about it but figured if it was possible it would've been done by now, so they kept quiet until recently.


I'm going with a mix of "They didn't really think that the GOP (farking coonts) wouldn't go all the way through with it" and "They had themselves a Jim Carrey Me, Myself, and Irene moment".
 
2013-10-04 02:56:34 PM  

Rwa2play: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.


And I guarantee you, a GOPcritter brought this to Boehner and he sent it across to Pelosi.

He has to find a way out of this, but he can't because of the TP.  This way, he can get out of it, he can get the sane GOPers out of this mess and he can safely shield himself from reprisal because this petition is an end-run around the Speaker's position.  He's powerless to stop it, so they can't truly rage at him over it.

It allows the GOP to look tough and still allow the CR to pass.  At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.
 
2013-10-04 02:57:17 PM  
If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....
 
2013-10-04 02:57:48 PM  
I thought by "Discharge" it ment the white house could fire members of congress that refused to vote on a spending bill
 
2013-10-04 02:58:05 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Except that wouldn't be correct.  It's not just Boehner standing in the way, it's all of the Republicans in the House...at least for now.


FTFA:  At last count, as many as two dozen House Republicans appear prepared to vote for a clean CR. With Democrats included, that means a majority of the House of Representatives would vote right now to reopen the government. But the House GOP leadership won't allow such a vote.

The Post has been reporting this for 48 hours now.  The moment the 17th Republican went on record saying they would vote for a clean CR, any further continuation became entirely Boehner's fault.
 
2013-10-04 02:58:43 PM  

gnosis301: parasol: What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?

Matthew 16:26, I believe.


Though you lose your soul, you shall win the world.

--Mandate Catechism
 
2013-10-04 02:58:49 PM  
The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:21 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.


Not a discharge petition. Its the one way around the speaker. Normally the bill being voted for has to kick around for ninty days without a vote, but the Democrats are using a preexisting bill. If the petition gets a simple majority of support, they then amend it as needed and vote.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:24 PM  

ariseatex: sugardave: ariseatex: FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.

And the GOP-holes give this many farks about you:

I'll let the rest of you celebrate this in terms of left vs. right.  Right now, IMHO, the Democratic party isn't doing enough to pressure Boehner.  They need to be out front and center going to every news agency with the same argument:  "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the debt limit, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the weather, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  Every tweet, every FB post, needs to be about the #BoehnerShutdown.

Anything less says "We'd rather play politics ourselves with the lives of 800,000 furloughed workers in non-political federal positions, as well as their families."


In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks
 
2013-10-04 02:59:29 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


Fox News has officially turned on the Derpers.  The Establishment GOP has declared them apostate and they're being thrown under the bus.

Beck might rage, but that's his job.  Fox has begun the process of reminding the GOP voters that the derpers are insane.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:35 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


Beck is going to have to really work hard to beat the "jar of pee with Obama in it" show.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:42 PM  
I said this months ago, and I'll say it again:

The democrats should try to find enough House Republicans to caucus with them to elect a new Speaker, shutting the Tea Party out of congress.

Terms of the deal are this:

-A Republican gets to be Speaker and chairmanships of a few key committees (but not appropriations).
-The GOP defectors will sit-down with Obama and the Dem Senate Leadership to agree on what legislation the GOP speaker will bring to the floor.
-The Democrats will not field any candidates against the defectors. Even if the defectors lose their primaries and run as independents in the general, the Democrats will stay out of the race. And if these GOP members want, Obama will even urge Democratic voters to vote for them in the general.

As outlandish as this may sound, this happens all of the time in state legislatures.

And while these GOP defectors may lose their primaries, the terms of the deal keep Democrats from running in the general, which would make it pretty easy for them to win reelection, especially if they're running against some ultra right wing tea party nut.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:46 PM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

You can have your cake but in order to eat it someone has to take a big shiat on it first.

Thats Washington's way


Can I just say that this response is brilliant on a lot of levels. I laughed pretty hard.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:55 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


The point is that the constitution doesn't say anything about a 'debt ceiling'. It shouldn't even exist in the first place and a unilateral action by Obama could initiate a challenge of it's constitutionality. That could be a good thing assuming SCOTUS agrees that it is unconstitutional.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:11 PM  
But I was told that Obama sustains himself on the misery of cancer kids.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:13 PM  

Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.


It give the GOP the narrative that the Dems bypassed democracy.  I don't know how having the majority of the House voting for something could be described as 'bypassing democracy' but I bet someone on FOX will do it.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:45 PM  

Mike_1962: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

Not a discharge petition. Its the one way around the speaker. Normally the bill being voted for has to kick around for ninty days without a vote, but the Democrats are using a preexisting bill. If the petition gets a simple majority of support, they then amend it as needed and vote.


Exactly.  And it's a GOP bill.  This tells me that a GOP critter remembered this bill and reminded everyone about how to get around the Speaker's position.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:49 PM  
This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:51 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-10-04 03:00:59 PM  
Anyone know how long we've been operating on CRs? Put another way, when was the last time Congress passed a budget?
 
2013-10-04 03:01:04 PM  

Infernalist: At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.


Tell you what, if Issa votes for this, I'll give you a month of TF. He's my rep, and while he's not a Teatard, he's pretty freaking retarded.
 
2013-10-04 03:01:15 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


FTA: Previously, it was thought this could not work, because a discharge petition takes 30 legislative days to ripen, so if this were tried with the clean CR that passed the Senate, this couldn't bear fruit until some time in November.
 
2013-10-04 03:01:30 PM  
Discharge petition.. yes, that'll work.  Someone should have thought of this at the start of the week.
 
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