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(Washington Post) NewsFlash BREAKING: House Democrats announce they will bring discharge petition to the floor of the House to pass a clean CR, circumventing the Speaker and the House Majority   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 718
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2013-10-04 02:25:20 PM
YAY saved by a a bill submitted back in March by GOP Rep James Lankford.  Nice foresight, sir.
 
2013-10-04 02:25:44 PM
And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.
 
2013-10-04 02:25:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


Well, this is just a temporary spending bill, anyway, isn't it? It shouldn't matter to much in the end I would think.
 
2013-10-04 02:25:56 PM
Innnnnnnteresting...
 
2013-10-04 02:25:59 PM

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


They've edited to article to state that the entire original bill would be replaced by an amendment that details the clean CR the Senate already passed.
 
2013-10-04 02:26:18 PM

DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.


If that's true, then I hope it happens.  The government gets back to what passes for normal, and the GOP loses - hopefully, they lose all semblance of power.
 
2013-10-04 02:26:27 PM
Sh*t just got real.
Real cool.
 
2013-10-04 02:26:34 PM

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


Stop stop, you're killing me
 
2013-10-04 02:26:36 PM
weknowgifs.com
 
2013-10-04 02:26:48 PM
You couldn't have written this any better.

Republican, go-nowhere, pandering to the base bills have become Chekov's Gun.

I'm seriously just laughing uncontrollably. I hope this works.
 
2013-10-04 02:27:28 PM

DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.


Much better...
 
2013-10-04 02:28:00 PM

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.



My understanding this that this is just supposed to be stop gap measure until these farkwads get the rest of their shiat together. They still need to pass a budget. Nice that they have a majority with the House Republicans that want to end this. How frustrating that the leadership is still putting a blockade up.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:03 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.


No. Discharge petitions exist explicitly as a way of getting around the Speaker.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:04 PM
circumventing the house majority by getting a majority of the house to vote on the bill
 
2013-10-04 02:28:09 PM
They should have also used this for immigration reform.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:38 PM
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Verrrrry Interesting. But stupid.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:44 PM

Jackson Herring: circumventing the house majority by getting a majority of the house to vote on the bill


It's just crazy enough to work.
 
2013-10-04 02:29:16 PM
Hilarious.

I went to a restaurant last night. Every conversation I overheard had to do with the government shutdown. People are really paying attention to this. Now, with Congress in the spotlight, they see one lot of crybabies while the other side actually takes concrete steps to reopen the government.

Will this have an effect on the next election?
 
2013-10-04 02:29:16 PM

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.
 
2013-10-04 02:29:51 PM

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

It's not that much, I don't think. 120 days until it kicks in, thence 1% every three months.

Oh, I read it wrong. Ok, 4% per year then. Still not good.


Yes, but we are spooling down the war in Afghanistan. Spending is going to drop by at least 4% if we are just standing still.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:01 PM
Guarantee you that this GOPer came to the Dems with this bill in hand and said "This might help."

Guaranteed.

There's no way that the Democrats found this somewhere stuffed away.  This is Boehner's way out.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:01 PM
Well then why the heck have we been dealin with all of this "Hastert Rule" crap?
 
2013-10-04 02:30:20 PM

nekom: DamnYankees: nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.

Why not? The Democrats have nothing to be embarrassed about if the vote fails. That's one of the advantages of being in the minority.

No, but why would they bother?  So far the GOP is the one kicking and screaming while the Democrats silently wait.  Why change that?


Because there is such a thing as the good of the country over party (or, rather, watching the other party set itself on fire).
 
2013-10-04 02:30:24 PM

KrustyKitten: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


My understanding this that this is just supposed to be stop gap measure until these farkwads get the rest of their shiat together. They still need to pass a budget. Nice that they have a majority with the House Republicans that want to end this. How frustrating that the leadership is still putting a blockade up.


This is a better explanation of what I was trying to say.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:28 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Republican, go-nowhere, pandering to the base bills have become Chekov's Gun.


That's the most apt description yet.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:51 PM

mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.


Good thing we're blowing right by your passive agressive crap, mikey baby, why do you hate America?
 
2013-10-04 02:30:52 PM

mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.


So you're completely OK with all of the national parks being shut down and not in use at all?
 
2013-10-04 02:30:55 PM

urger: BAHAHAHAHAHA


This begins the great tea bagger butthurt of our time...

/insert obligatory Nelson 'Ha-Ha!' .jpg here
 
2013-10-04 02:30:58 PM

Jackson Herring: circumventing the house majority by getting a majority of the house to vote on the bill


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2013-10-04 02:31:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Well then why the heck have we been dealin with all of this "Hastert Rule" crap?


Boehner doesn't want to lose his job.

This keeps him from being responsible.

The petition hits the floor, it gets a vote, the 'sane' GOPers under Boehner's leadership will vote JUST ENOUGH 'Yes' votes for it to pass to the Senate...

Boehner gets to vote against it, the CR passes, the TP is enraged, but they can only target SAFE GOPers in safe GOP districts.  Peter King and his cohorts come to mind.

This is a brilliant bit of maneuvering on someone's part.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:04 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Will this have an effect on the next election?


You'll still vote for Kang, I'll still vote for Kodos, and life will go on.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:24 PM

SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.


THIS! Watch that turd squirm first.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:30 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Hilarious.

I went to a restaurant last night. Every conversation I overheard had to do with the government shutdown. People are really paying attention to this. Now, with Congress in the spotlight, they see one lot of crybabies while the other side actually takes concrete steps to reopen the government.

Will this have an effect on the next election?


In the Senate?  Yes.

In the House?  You might see a few seats switch but the biggest derpers are dug in so deep in very red gerrymandered districts that they have no chance of being ousted.  And even if they are voted out it will be in the primaries and they'll replaced by Tea Partier #2: Electric Derpaloo.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:41 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: shower_in_my_socks: I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.

If enough defect, it'll make negotiations more difficult for him during the Debt Ceiling fight as he won't be able to guarantee any votes on anything.

If this happens without Boehner, there may as well be no Speaker of the House.  He'll still be Boehner, but he will have no balls.


Pelosi will make the Dems would support Boehner as Speaker if the Baggers tried to take him out. If they could replace Boehner out easily, they would have done so already.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:44 PM
Republicans are nowhere near the same league as Democrats.

It's amazing.

/and a little frightening
 
2013-10-04 02:32:56 PM

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


It will hit their pork as hard as anyone's.  They WILL squeal, even louder than they did last time.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:01 PM

Infernalist: This is a brilliant bit of maneuvering on someone's part.


Nancy Pelosi is extremely good at her job.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:01 PM

DamnYankees: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

No. Discharge petitions exist explicitly as a way of getting around the Speaker.


Thanks. I only wondered because the Speaker is an incredibly powerful office. Arizona's Speaker of the House can be a little Hitler.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:05 PM

abb3w: FTA: The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategystragedy.

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Corrected for accuracy
 
2013-10-04 02:33:23 PM
I'm so conflicted.

On one hand the House Republicans are trying so hard to completely sever their foot with bullets, but on the other hand their aim is so bad the ricochet is injuring bystanders.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:26 PM

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


You can have your cake but in order to eat it someone has to take a big shiat on it first.

Thats Washington's way
 
2013-10-04 02:34:19 PM

DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.


Boehner has promised not to let a default happen. The non-Bagger Republicans and the Dems would support a debt ceiling increase and Boehner's leadership as speaker.
 
2013-10-04 02:34:24 PM

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: thismomentinblackhistory: Will this have an effect on the next election?

You'll still vote for Kang, I'll still vote for Kodos, and life will go on.

 

Well, I don't understand why we have to build a ray gun to aim at a planet I never even heard of.
 
2013-10-04 02:34:59 PM
Can you hear me now, biatch?!
 
2013-10-04 02:35:30 PM
This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"
 
2013-10-04 02:35:48 PM
No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats  any group of bi-partisan legislators can do it, Boehner   our country saves face with both the tea party and the moderates. the rest of the world and we can begin to have a functioning government again.

Why is it always about "my team"?  While sane people know the GOP is to blame, adults also recognize that
our country wins if there are actually bi-partisan groups that try to govern.
 
2013-10-04 02:35:55 PM

cameroncrazy1984: mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.

So you're completely OK with all of the national parks being shut down and not in use at all?


The democrats didnt mind, why shouldnt he?
 
2013-10-04 02:36:45 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this


I don't know where you've been, but there is a Black man occupying the White House.
 
2013-10-04 02:36:57 PM

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


And I'm afraid it will be painful
 
2013-10-04 02:37:13 PM

Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"


The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.
 
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