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(Washington Post) NewsFlash BREAKING: House Democrats announce they will bring discharge petition to the floor of the House to pass a clean CR, circumventing the Speaker and the House Majority   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 718
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2013-10-04 01:47:49 PM  
Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.
 
2013-10-04 01:51:31 PM  
BAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-10-04 01:52:23 PM  
Considering they're trying this off of the back of a GOP sponsored bill, what are the chances that if it works the Republicans immediately start claiming credit for it like it was their idea all along?
 
2013-10-04 01:52:31 PM  
I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.
 
2013-10-04 01:52:43 PM  
Too cool.
 
2013-10-04 01:53:47 PM  
The bill in question is the "Government Shutdown Prevention Act," which was introduced in March by GOP Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma.

BRILLIANT!! Use their own farking legislation against them!!

Prepare for Teabagger Nuclear Butthurt, folks!
 
2013-10-04 01:53:49 PM  

DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.


I don't think there's such a thing as "moderate GOPers" in Congress--some of them are not insane of course, but they're all pretty far right..  It's perhaps more accurate to say "non-derp GOPers."
 
2013-10-04 01:55:02 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


Yeah that's not good, but I wonder what level it kicks in at. What's the number for the CR under this discharge petition? Sequester levels?
 
2013-10-04 01:57:42 PM  

DamnYankees: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

Yeah that's not good, but I wonder what level it kicks in at. What's the number for the CR under this discharge petition? Sequester levels?


Yeah, sequester levels.  It does give 120 days before a reduction, and at only 1% every 90 days after that, there should be plenty of time to pass a new budget, but I have my doubts the House would support anything.

However, once we're clear of the shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis, we can at least go back to good old-fashioned negotiation when it comes to the budget numbers and appropriations.  The Democrats haven't said they're unwilling to negotiate, they're just unwilling to negotiate with their backs against the wall regarding the shutdown or the debt ceiling.
 
2013-10-04 01:58:01 PM  

markie_farkie: The bill in question is the "Government Shutdown Prevention Act," which was introduced in March by GOP Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma.


ohhhhhh
 
2013-10-04 01:58:05 PM  
So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?
 
2013-10-04 01:58:42 PM  
So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this
 
2013-10-04 02:00:26 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: However, once we're clear of the shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis, we can at least go back to good old-fashioned negotiation when it comes to the budget numbers and appropriations. The Democrats haven't said they're unwilling to negotiate, they're just unwilling to negotiate with their backs against the wall regarding the shutdown or the debt ceiling


The GOP had no idea how much they would hate the sequester, since it cuts into their pork.  They're going to have to deal to save their bacon.  And they'll find that no one trusts them an inch any more.  Rightfully so.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-04 02:02:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this


Because their reality is defined by newsmax, Druge, Fox and others like that.
 
2013-10-04 02:02:09 PM  
I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.
 
2013-10-04 02:02:34 PM  

DamnYankees: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

Yeah that's not good, but I wonder what level it kicks in at. What's the number for the CR under this discharge petition? Sequester levels?


Yep, the article says it's sequester levels.
 
2013-10-04 02:03:12 PM  

nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.


Why not? The Democrats have nothing to be embarrassed about if the vote fails. That's one of the advantages of being in the minority.
 
2013-10-04 02:03:22 PM  

nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.


or they hope to force the GOP to realize there is a chance to force the vote and thus take action to save face ala the hot mic Rand Paul comments
 
2013-10-04 02:04:01 PM  
No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.
 
2013-10-04 02:06:01 PM  

DamnYankees: nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.

Why not? The Democrats have nothing to be embarrassed about if the vote fails. That's one of the advantages of being in the minority.


No, but why would they bother?  So far the GOP is the one kicking and screaming while the Democrats silently wait.  Why change that?
 
2013-10-04 02:06:23 PM  
FTA: "The bill in question is the "Government Shutdown Prevention Act," which was introduced in March by GOP Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma."

Oh man, this implosion just keeps getting better.
 
2013-10-04 02:08:38 PM  

SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.


I suspect that this won't work, but it'll at least show that the Democrats are trying to reopen the government, while the GOP is doing everything they can to keep it shut down. I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.
 
2013-10-04 02:09:13 PM  

nekom: DamnYankees: nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.

Why not? The Democrats have nothing to be embarrassed about if the vote fails. That's one of the advantages of being in the minority.

No, but why would they bother?  So far the GOP is the one kicking and screaming while the Democrats silently wait.  Why change that?


Because if they win, it's slap in the face to the GOP. If they lose, the GOP looks like they're holding up a compromise.
 
2013-10-04 02:11:28 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.


If enough defect, it'll make negotiations more difficult for him during the Debt Ceiling fight as he won't be able to guarantee any votes on anything.
 
2013-10-04 02:11:44 PM  
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2013-10-04 02:11:45 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Because if they win, it's slap in the face to the GOP. If they lose, the GOP looks like they're holding up a compromise.

I don't really think the GOP is going to look any worse.  If the polls are to be believed, most Americans already blame them for the mess.  Guess we'll see how it goes.
 
2013-10-04 02:12:25 PM  

nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Because if they win, it's slap in the face to the GOP. If they lose, the GOP looks like they're holding up a compromise.

I don't really think the GOP is going to look any worse.  If the polls are to be believed, most Americans already blame them for the mess.  Guess we'll see how it goes.


GOP: Challenge Accepted.
 
2013-10-04 02:13:10 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: FTA: "The bill in question is the "Government Shutdown Prevention Act," which was introduced in March by GOP Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma."

Oh man, this implosion just keeps getting better.


Yeah, the GOP really didn't want to hear this news.  Too much cognitive dissonance for the base is dangerous.
 
2013-10-04 02:14:12 PM  
FTA: The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.

community.us.playstation.com
 
2013-10-04 02:14:31 PM  

nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.


You, sir, have received one internets.
 
2013-10-04 02:14:48 PM  

nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Because if they win, it's slap in the face to the GOP. If they lose, the GOP looks like they're holding up a compromise.

I don't really think the GOP is going to look any worse.  If the polls are to be believed, most Americans already blame them for the mess.  Guess we'll see how it goes.


I'm of the mentality that if your enemy is to be destroyed, your enemy is to be destroyed utterly.
 
2013-10-04 02:14:50 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: shower_in_my_socks: I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.

If enough defect, it'll make negotiations more difficult for him during the Debt Ceiling fight as he won't be able to guarantee any votes on anything.


If this happens without Boehner, there may as well be no Speaker of the House.  He'll still be Boehner, but he will have no balls.
 
2013-10-04 02:15:27 PM  

birdmanesq: nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.

You, sir, have received one internets.


I revoke that internets, instead granting them to naughtyrev:

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


Because evidently I am an abject failure at working the quote button today.
 
2013-10-04 02:16:19 PM  
The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.
 
2013-10-04 02:18:34 PM  

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


It's not that much, I don't think. 120 days until it kicks in, thence 1% every three months.
 
2013-10-04 02:19:04 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

It's not that much, I don't think. 120 days until it kicks in, thence 1% every three months.


Oh, I read it wrong. Ok, 4% per year then. Still not good.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-04 02:19:33 PM  

nekom: I don't really think the GOP is going to look any worse.  If the polls are to be believed, most Americans already blame them for the mess.  Guess we'll see how it goes.


And the people who don't never will.
 
2013-10-04 02:20:27 PM  
FTA: The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.

Completely agree with you there, abb3w.

It's absolutely beautiful!

global3.memecdn.com
 
2013-10-04 02:20:54 PM  

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


The first 1% drop isn't until 120 days in, and then it's 1% down every 90 days.  So, after 1 year if nothing is done it would be down 3%, with another 1% drop looming.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-04 02:22:26 PM  
I think this will be resolved, but the mere fact that this group of radicals is willing to try something so radical means that they will try again.

These people want a fight and they are going to get it sooner or later.  They will force a constitutional crisis.
 
2013-10-04 02:22:49 PM  

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


It's only 1% every 90 days isn't it? That would mean only 4% a year.  And that's only after the first 120 days. So the first year it would be 3%, I think.
 
2013-10-04 02:22:49 PM  
UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.
 
2013-10-04 02:22:51 PM  
History lesson:

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2013-10-04 02:23:04 PM  
And here.....we......go.
 
2013-10-04 02:23:04 PM  
Good. I'm sick and tired of all the discharge that's been emanating from Congressional Teabaggers in recent days.
 
2013-10-04 02:23:48 PM  

DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.


Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.
 
2013-10-04 02:24:10 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

The first 1% drop isn't until 120 days in, and then it's 1% down every 90 days.  So, after 1 year if nothing is done it would be down 3%, with another 1% drop looming.


And the GOP still have the power, and the government slowly dies, and the GOP have plenty of time to pin it on the Dems, who will, as usual, let them while simultaneously shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity.
 
2013-10-04 02:24:38 PM  
Oooohhhh, exciting.
 
2013-10-04 02:24:51 PM  
My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.
 
2013-10-04 02:24:57 PM  
Before I read the article I was hoping a discharge petition was a way to discharge Boehner as speaker, this isn't quite as good but works in my book.
 
2013-10-04 02:25:20 PM  
YAY saved by a a bill submitted back in March by GOP Rep James Lankford.  Nice foresight, sir.
 
2013-10-04 02:25:44 PM  
And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.
 
2013-10-04 02:25:46 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


Well, this is just a temporary spending bill, anyway, isn't it? It shouldn't matter to much in the end I would think.
 
2013-10-04 02:25:56 PM  
Innnnnnnteresting...
 
2013-10-04 02:25:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


They've edited to article to state that the entire original bill would be replaced by an amendment that details the clean CR the Senate already passed.
 
2013-10-04 02:26:18 PM  

DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.


If that's true, then I hope it happens.  The government gets back to what passes for normal, and the GOP loses - hopefully, they lose all semblance of power.
 
2013-10-04 02:26:27 PM  
Sh*t just got real.
Real cool.
 
2013-10-04 02:26:34 PM  

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


Stop stop, you're killing me
 
2013-10-04 02:26:36 PM  
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2013-10-04 02:26:48 PM  
You couldn't have written this any better.

Republican, go-nowhere, pandering to the base bills have become Chekov's Gun.

I'm seriously just laughing uncontrollably. I hope this works.
 
2013-10-04 02:27:28 PM  

DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.


Much better...
 
2013-10-04 02:28:00 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.



My understanding this that this is just supposed to be stop gap measure until these farkwads get the rest of their shiat together. They still need to pass a budget. Nice that they have a majority with the House Republicans that want to end this. How frustrating that the leadership is still putting a blockade up.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:03 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.


No. Discharge petitions exist explicitly as a way of getting around the Speaker.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:04 PM  
circumventing the house majority by getting a majority of the house to vote on the bill
 
2013-10-04 02:28:09 PM  
They should have also used this for immigration reform.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:38 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Verrrrry Interesting. But stupid.
 
2013-10-04 02:28:44 PM  

Jackson Herring: circumventing the house majority by getting a majority of the house to vote on the bill


It's just crazy enough to work.
 
2013-10-04 02:29:16 PM  
Hilarious.

I went to a restaurant last night. Every conversation I overheard had to do with the government shutdown. People are really paying attention to this. Now, with Congress in the spotlight, they see one lot of crybabies while the other side actually takes concrete steps to reopen the government.

Will this have an effect on the next election?
 
2013-10-04 02:29:16 PM  

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.
 
2013-10-04 02:29:51 PM  

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

It's not that much, I don't think. 120 days until it kicks in, thence 1% every three months.

Oh, I read it wrong. Ok, 4% per year then. Still not good.


Yes, but we are spooling down the war in Afghanistan. Spending is going to drop by at least 4% if we are just standing still.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:01 PM  
Guarantee you that this GOPer came to the Dems with this bill in hand and said "This might help."

Guaranteed.

There's no way that the Democrats found this somewhere stuffed away.  This is Boehner's way out.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:01 PM  
Well then why the heck have we been dealin with all of this "Hastert Rule" crap?
 
2013-10-04 02:30:20 PM  

nekom: DamnYankees: nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.

Why not? The Democrats have nothing to be embarrassed about if the vote fails. That's one of the advantages of being in the minority.

No, but why would they bother?  So far the GOP is the one kicking and screaming while the Democrats silently wait.  Why change that?


Because there is such a thing as the good of the country over party (or, rather, watching the other party set itself on fire).
 
2013-10-04 02:30:24 PM  

KrustyKitten: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


My understanding this that this is just supposed to be stop gap measure until these farkwads get the rest of their shiat together. They still need to pass a budget. Nice that they have a majority with the House Republicans that want to end this. How frustrating that the leadership is still putting a blockade up.


This is a better explanation of what I was trying to say.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:28 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Republican, go-nowhere, pandering to the base bills have become Chekov's Gun.


That's the most apt description yet.
 
2013-10-04 02:30:51 PM  

mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.


Good thing we're blowing right by your passive agressive crap, mikey baby, why do you hate America?
 
2013-10-04 02:30:52 PM  

mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.


So you're completely OK with all of the national parks being shut down and not in use at all?
 
2013-10-04 02:30:55 PM  

urger: BAHAHAHAHAHA


This begins the great tea bagger butthurt of our time...

/insert obligatory Nelson 'Ha-Ha!' .jpg here
 
2013-10-04 02:30:58 PM  

Jackson Herring: circumventing the house majority by getting a majority of the house to vote on the bill


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2013-10-04 02:31:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Well then why the heck have we been dealin with all of this "Hastert Rule" crap?


Boehner doesn't want to lose his job.

This keeps him from being responsible.

The petition hits the floor, it gets a vote, the 'sane' GOPers under Boehner's leadership will vote JUST ENOUGH 'Yes' votes for it to pass to the Senate...

Boehner gets to vote against it, the CR passes, the TP is enraged, but they can only target SAFE GOPers in safe GOP districts.  Peter King and his cohorts come to mind.

This is a brilliant bit of maneuvering on someone's part.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:04 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Will this have an effect on the next election?


You'll still vote for Kang, I'll still vote for Kodos, and life will go on.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:24 PM  

SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.


THIS! Watch that turd squirm first.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:30 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Hilarious.

I went to a restaurant last night. Every conversation I overheard had to do with the government shutdown. People are really paying attention to this. Now, with Congress in the spotlight, they see one lot of crybabies while the other side actually takes concrete steps to reopen the government.

Will this have an effect on the next election?


In the Senate?  Yes.

In the House?  You might see a few seats switch but the biggest derpers are dug in so deep in very red gerrymandered districts that they have no chance of being ousted.  And even if they are voted out it will be in the primaries and they'll replaced by Tea Partier #2: Electric Derpaloo.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: shower_in_my_socks: I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.

If enough defect, it'll make negotiations more difficult for him during the Debt Ceiling fight as he won't be able to guarantee any votes on anything.

If this happens without Boehner, there may as well be no Speaker of the House.  He'll still be Boehner, but he will have no balls.


Pelosi will make the Dems would support Boehner as Speaker if the Baggers tried to take him out. If they could replace Boehner out easily, they would have done so already.
 
2013-10-04 02:32:44 PM  
Republicans are nowhere near the same league as Democrats.

It's amazing.

/and a little frightening
 
2013-10-04 02:32:56 PM  

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


It will hit their pork as hard as anyone's.  They WILL squeal, even louder than they did last time.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:01 PM  

Infernalist: This is a brilliant bit of maneuvering on someone's part.


Nancy Pelosi is extremely good at her job.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:01 PM  

DamnYankees: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

No. Discharge petitions exist explicitly as a way of getting around the Speaker.


Thanks. I only wondered because the Speaker is an incredibly powerful office. Arizona's Speaker of the House can be a little Hitler.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:05 PM  

abb3w: FTA: The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategystragedy.

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Corrected for accuracy
 
2013-10-04 02:33:23 PM  
I'm so conflicted.

On one hand the House Republicans are trying so hard to completely sever their foot with bullets, but on the other hand their aim is so bad the ricochet is injuring bystanders.
 
2013-10-04 02:33:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


You can have your cake but in order to eat it someone has to take a big shiat on it first.

Thats Washington's way
 
2013-10-04 02:34:19 PM  

DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.


Boehner has promised not to let a default happen. The non-Bagger Republicans and the Dems would support a debt ceiling increase and Boehner's leadership as speaker.
 
2013-10-04 02:34:24 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: thismomentinblackhistory: Will this have an effect on the next election?

You'll still vote for Kang, I'll still vote for Kodos, and life will go on.

 

Well, I don't understand why we have to build a ray gun to aim at a planet I never even heard of.
 
2013-10-04 02:34:59 PM  
Can you hear me now, biatch?!
 
2013-10-04 02:35:30 PM  
This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"
 
2013-10-04 02:35:48 PM  
No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats  any group of bi-partisan legislators can do it, Boehner   our country saves face with both the tea party and the moderates. the rest of the world and we can begin to have a functioning government again.

Why is it always about "my team"?  While sane people know the GOP is to blame, adults also recognize that
our country wins if there are actually bi-partisan groups that try to govern.
 
2013-10-04 02:35:55 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.

So you're completely OK with all of the national parks being shut down and not in use at all?


The democrats didnt mind, why shouldnt he?
 
2013-10-04 02:36:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this


I don't know where you've been, but there is a Black man occupying the White House.
 
2013-10-04 02:36:57 PM  

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


And I'm afraid it will be painful
 
2013-10-04 02:37:13 PM  

Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"


The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.
 
2013-10-04 02:37:18 PM  

DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.


that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.
 
2013-10-04 02:37:21 PM  

Somacandra: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

Boehner has promised not to let a default happen. The non-Bagger Republicans and the Dems would support a debt ceiling increase and Boehner's leadership as speaker.


Boehner has no control over the House.
 
2013-10-04 02:37:30 PM  
Proposing to do something is nice, but I'll reserve any emotion until it works.
 
2013-10-04 02:37:34 PM  

DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.


This

This doesn't appear to do anything for the debt ceiling.
 
2013-10-04 02:37:34 PM  

sugardave: Benevolent Misanthrope: So, they have the votes to re-open, but Boehner won't let it go to the floor?

Christ.  Why does anyone blame anyone other than the GOP for any of this

I don't know where you've been, but there is a Black man occupying the White House.


Damn, I had no idea, I need to start getting my news on TV instead of from the radio.
 
2013-10-04 02:37:48 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-04 02:37:50 PM  

smellysocksnshoes: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats  any group of bi-partisan legislators can do it, Boehner   our country saves face with both the tea party and the moderates. the rest of the world and we can begin to have a functioning government again.

Why is it always about "my team"?  While sane people know the GOP is to blame, adults also recognize that
our country wins if there are actually bi-partisan groups that try to govern.


Because we are driven by an unshakable program in our DNA that forces us bring competition into everything
 
2013-10-04 02:38:03 PM  
Article has been clarified: the language concerning the reductions in spending would be wiped if this works.

Let's see just how honest you were being, GOP pragmatists. Time to step up and be counted.
 
2013-10-04 02:38:13 PM  

DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.


They'll have to do it the old fashioned way.  Negotiate in good faith with the Democrats so that both sides get something that they want.
 
2013-10-04 02:38:17 PM  
I've heard of Democrats with spines, but I always figured they were like unicorns or Big foot or Guinness bar towels
 
2013-10-04 02:38:24 PM  
Congressman: Wait a minute, I want to tack on a rider to that bill: $30 million of taxpayer money to support the perverted arts.
Speaker: All in favor of the amended Springfield-slash-pervert bill?
Everyone: BOOOO!
Speaker: Bill defeated.
Kent: I've said it before and I'll say it again: Democracy simply doesn't work.
 
2013-10-04 02:38:44 PM  

DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.


Since I calculate the present likelihood of a debt default to be ~100%, I'm prepared to take that risk.
 
2013-10-04 02:39:13 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.


And he'll do so at the cost of his career, because the PR alone would sink him.

This is the point in the movie where the hero's managed to snatch a gun from one of the guards, and now it's gone from being a hostage situation to a Mexican standoff.
 
2013-10-04 02:39:23 PM  

Infernalist: They'll have to do it the old fashioned way.  Negotiate in good faith with the Democrats so that both sides get something that they want.


There's absolutely no reason to think they are capable of doing this. They haven't done it since the 90s.
 
2013-10-04 02:39:32 PM  
Whoever thought this plan up(if it works), I would like to establish a Kickstarter so that we can buy them some good beer.
 
2013-10-04 02:39:42 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: History lesson:

[i44.tinypic.com image 519x283]


Yes, indeed. Another interesting thing to note is that the man who led the charge for "reform" was none other than James Inhofe, back when he was a Representative.

I wonder who the 18 Republicans the Democrats think will sign the discharge petition.
 
2013-10-04 02:39:46 PM  

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

It's not that much, I don't think. 120 days until it kicks in, thence 1% every three months.

Oh, I read it wrong. Ok, 4% per year then. Still not good.


Not really.  If it breaks the Teabagger's backs then hopefully, more reasoned heads can negotiate a real budget.
 
2013-10-04 02:39:53 PM  
Way to go, assholes. You made him cry!

im41.com
 
2013-10-04 02:40:00 PM  
FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.
 
2013-10-04 02:40:15 PM  

FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.


Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"
 
2013-10-04 02:40:48 PM  

Bontesla: Somacandra: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

Boehner has promised not to let a default happen. The non-Bagger Republicans and the Dems would support a debt ceiling increase and Boehner's leadership as speaker.

Boehner has no control over the House.


He has no control over his caucus as a whole. But the 18 Repubs and the Democratic members do not want to see anyone derpier in the Speaker's chair. The Baggers might have the votes to topple him, but they don't have the votes to elect anyone else specifically since the whole House gets to vote. That would make Pelosi a kingmaker and no TBer wants that used against them.
 
2013-10-04 02:40:52 PM  

DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.


So they should put a bill in now to take care of that issue in 30 days in the same manner.
 
2013-10-04 02:41:04 PM  

bmongar: Before I read the article I was hoping a discharge petition was a way to discharge Boehner as speaker, this isn't quite as good but works in my book.


Only two ways to do that. One if for a new vote for Speaker of the House to be called, given that the current Speaker has to make that call ... good luck with that.

Two impeach Boehner ... this could work if the Democrats bring impeachment proceedings, can get a Judiciary or special committee to investigate, and a simple majority of the House votes for impeachment then it gets kicked over to the Senate. Not easy and basically a distraction right now that we don't need.
 
2013-10-04 02:41:12 PM  
This is Obama's Queequeg's Coffin As Ishmael's Life Raft.
 
2013-10-04 02:41:13 PM  

ariseatex: FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.


And the GOP-holes give this many farks about you:
 
2013-10-04 02:41:21 PM  

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


Will Boehner hold stiff against the Democrats rubbing him the wrong way?
 
2013-10-04 02:41:26 PM  

Clutch2013: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

And he'll do so at the cost of his career, because the PR alone would sink him.

This is the point in the movie where the hero's managed to snatch a gun from one of the guards, and now it's gone from being a hostage situation to a Mexican standoff.


The whole point to this 'petition' thing as I understand it, is that it circumvents the normal House procedure and puts the vote on the floor, without input from the Speaker.

It is, figurative, out of his hands completely.
 
2013-10-04 02:41:28 PM  

BMulligan: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

Since I calculate the present likelihood of a debt default to be ~100%, I'm prepared to take that risk.


Yup, they were just going to let us default to destroy the country anyway, that's the Teaparty goal.
 
2013-10-04 02:41:41 PM  
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2013-10-04 02:41:58 PM  

timujin: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

So they should put a bill in now to take care of that issue in 30 days in the same manner.


They don't have 30 days to solve that.
 
2013-10-04 02:42:27 PM  

Clutch2013: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

And he'll do so at the cost of his career, because the PR alone would sink him.

This is the point in the movie where the hero's managed to snatch a gun from one of the guards, and now it's gone from being a hostage situation to a Mexican standoff.


To further illustrate: this is the point in Face/Off where Gina Gershon walks in and blows Travolta's plan to shiat.
 
2013-10-04 02:42:34 PM  

Infernalist: DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.

They'll have to do it the old fashioned way.  Negotiate in good faith with the Democrats so that both sides get something that they want.


I think you share a different definition of negotiate than the Teahadists do.
 
2013-10-04 02:42:40 PM  
The one thing I don't get is that the speaker position is not tied to party. There is nothing in huse rules that says. Pelosi can't be speaker today, just because her party is in the minority.
 
2013-10-04 02:42:51 PM  

gnosis301: This is Obama's Queequeg's Coffin As Ishmael's Life Raft.


Spoilers!
 
2013-10-04 02:44:07 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: The one thing I don't get is that the speaker position is not tied to party. There is nothing in huse rules that says. Pelosi can't be speaker today, just because her party is in the minority.


That's true, but speakers needs to be elected by a majority of the whole house. So they always come from the majority party.
 
2013-10-04 02:44:08 PM  

cman: Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?...The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


The Executive Branch of government is in charge of executing the laws of the land, including the Supreme Law of Land. Of course any attempt could be challenged in court. It hasn't been tried---it would be new territory.
 
2013-10-04 02:44:18 PM  

KarmicDisaster: BMulligan: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

Since I calculate the present likelihood of a debt default to be ~100%, I'm prepared to take that risk.

Yup, they were just going to let us default to destroy the country anyway, that's the Teaparty goal.


And I might add, at least this way this forces the Republicans to actually do the default and show that they are responsible, which should help their public opinion polls even more.
 
2013-10-04 02:44:24 PM  

I alone am best: cameroncrazy1984: mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.

So you're completely OK with all of the national parks being shut down and not in use at all?

The democrats didnt mind, why shouldnt he?


You serious, Clark?
 
2013-10-04 02:44:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant bit of maneuvering on someone's part.

Nancy Pelosi is extremely good at her job.


Yes, once she and Obama started working together the Republicans have been reeling. That is why this shut down occurred, because the Republicans are being out maneuvered

FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.


at every turn and are too stupid to take small wins instead of attempting to run the table every time.
 
2013-10-04 02:44:48 PM  

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


I did NOT need that mental image.
Pass the brain bleach, please.
 
2013-10-04 02:44:59 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

The first 1% drop isn't until 120 days in, and then it's 1% down every 90 days.  So, after 1 year if nothing is done it would be down 3%, with another 1% drop looming.


If this works? Not only did the Dems figure a legal way to open the government, they also can argue the remedy cutsthe budget/slows spending to boot - at least it can be argued that way....interesting
 
2013-10-04 02:45:57 PM  

Somacandra: Bontesla: Somacandra: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

Boehner has promised not to let a default happen. The non-Bagger Republicans and the Dems would support a debt ceiling increase and Boehner's leadership as speaker.

Boehner has no control over the House.

He has no control over his caucus as a whole. But the 18 Repubs and the Democratic members do not want to see anyone derpier in the Speaker's chair. The Baggers might have the votes to topple him, but they don't have the votes to elect anyone else specifically since the whole House gets to vote. That would make Pelosi a kingmaker and no TBer wants that used against them.


I think there are more than 18 that support the shutdown. Doesn't the 18 refer to the signatories?
 
2013-10-04 02:46:06 PM  

I alone am best: cameroncrazy1984: mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.

So you're completely OK with all of the national parks being shut down and not in use at all?

The democrats didnt mind, why shouldnt he?


Hell I don't really care what the choose as long as they have to choose something. I would hope that they would choose wisely but that may be a first.
 
2013-10-04 02:46:15 PM  
********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.
 
2013-10-04 02:46:20 PM  

DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.


It also shows that the GOP can be bypassed by splitting off the teabaggers.  If the credit limit is reached then it can be extended without support of 100% of the GOP.  It shows Boner in impotent and teabaggers are irrelevant.
 
2013-10-04 02:46:43 PM  

DamnYankees: That's true, but speakers needs to be elected by a majority of the whole house. So they always come from the majority party.


Which may eventually fall apart as it becomes more evident that you're really the minority party caucusing with the batshiatinsane party in order to maintain an ever-more tenuous grip on power.
 
2013-10-04 02:46:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.


Somacandra: Marcus Aurelius: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: shower_in_my_socks: I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.

If enough defect, it'll make negotiations more difficult for him during the Debt Ceiling fight as he won't be able to guarantee any votes on anything.

If this happens without Boehner, there may as well be no Speaker of the House.  He'll still be Boehner, but he will have no balls.

Pelosi will make the Dems would support Boehner as Speaker if the Baggers tried to take him out. If they could replace Boehner out easily, they would have done so already.


Now that would be funny! I wouldn't even care that the Repubs retain control of congress if a more moderate is selected. A little opposition is good, but the way the current batch is going is not.
 
2013-10-04 02:47:07 PM  
DIscharge the Boner!
 
2013-10-04 02:47:45 PM  
fta The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.

My guess is that the Democrats are focused more on ending the pointless shutdown
 
2013-10-04 02:47:53 PM  
static6.businessinsider.com
 
2013-10-04 02:48:08 PM  
Hey GOP, Atari!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-04 02:48:14 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: The one thing I don't get is that the speaker position is not tied to party. There is nothing in huse rules that says. Pelosi can't be speaker today, just because her party is in the minority.


Yes, but, the speaker needs to be elected by a majority of the House. So it will naturally follow the party. Now, if you have a 3 party system, that's where things could get fun!
 
2013-10-04 02:48:23 PM  

cman: Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


It says "Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article", but I don't see it say that power being reserved to Congress alone.
 
2013-10-04 02:48:29 PM  
My guess is that they'll start attaching items to this bill, which would make it too ridiculous to pass.

/Oh look at that, funding for a webcam in Mila Kunis's shower. Excellent.
//Grants to research the creation of a bacon flavored toothpaste? Terrific
 
2013-10-04 02:48:30 PM  

birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.


Thank goodness.  Otherwise the Teatards will hold the budget negotiations hostage and spin out the clock for the small reductions if they don't get the big ones they wanted.

Compare it to now: time is against the Teatards because they aren't getting anything from the delay.  The Dems aren't moving and they are looking more and more stupid.  If there was an automatic budget reduction then the Dems would be slightly disadvantages because if they didn't do SOMETHING then they know the GOP can get an automatic win by just sitting on their hands and demanding a colony on the Sun....
 
2013-10-04 02:49:20 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.

I suspect that this won't work, but it'll at least show that the Democrats are trying to reopen the government, while the GOP is doing everything they can to keep it shut down. I would prefer that Boehner be forced to do it, sparking a split that makes defaulting on the debt unlikely.


It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen.  Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

/doubts it'll work
//still farks over the GOP
 
2013-10-04 02:49:39 PM  
So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?
 
2013-10-04 02:50:09 PM  
Awesome. Is it possible for Democrats to pre-emptively set these up for every possible hostage situation from now on?

//Who needs a Speaker?
 
2013-10-04 02:50:14 PM  

DamnYankees: FlyingLizardOfDoom: The one thing I don't get is that the speaker position is not tied to party. There is nothing in huse rules that says. Pelosi can't be speaker today, just because her party is in the minority.

That's true, but speakers needs to be elected by a majority of the whole house. So they always come from the majority party.


So why not bring a vote of no confidence and let the centrist reps join the dems in ousting the teabagger speaker?
 
2013-10-04 02:50:15 PM  

sugardave: ariseatex: FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.

And the GOP-holes give this many farks about you:


I'll let the rest of you celebrate this in terms of left vs. right.  Right now, IMHO, the Democratic party isn't doing enough to pressure Boehner.  They need to be out front and center going to every news agency with the same argument:  "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the debt limit, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the weather, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  Every tweet, every FB post, needs to be about the #BoehnerShutdown.

Anything less says "We'd rather play politics ourselves with the lives of 800,000 furloughed workers in non-political federal positions, as well as their families."
 
2013-10-04 02:51:14 PM  

FlyingLizardOfDoom: So why not bring a vote of no confidence and let the centrist reps join the dems in ousting the teabagger speaker?


The Republicans would never, never do that. Remember, the most liberal republican is still more conservative than the most conservative democrat.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:13 PM  

DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.


What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?
 
2013-10-04 02:52:23 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.


Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:29 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: My guess is that they'll start attaching items to this bill, which would make it too ridiculous to pass.

/Oh look at that, funding for a webcam in Mila Kunis's shower. Excellent.
//Grants to research the creation of a bacon flavored toothpaste? Terrific


The petition can't be altered until it comes up with 218 signatures and can only be altered by those that filed the petition vote, a couple of Democrats.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:36 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
Because if they win, it's slap in the face to the GOP. If they lose, the GOP looks like they're holding up a compromise.

I don't really think the GOP is going to look any worse.  If the polls are to be believed, most Americans already blame them for the mess.  Guess we'll see how it goes.

I'm of the mentality that if your enemy is to be destroyed, your enemy is to be destroyed utterly.


One hundred years of single party rule. It's the only real solution.
 
2013-10-04 02:52:51 PM  

Somacandra: cman: Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?...The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

The Executive Branch of government is in charge of executing the laws of the land, including the Supreme Law of Land. Of course any attempt could be challenged in court. It hasn't been tried---it would be new territory.


And wouldn't it be fun seeing the House Republicans run into court to assert their right to touch off a worldwide economic depression?
 
2013-10-04 02:52:59 PM  

DamnYankees: timujin: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

So they should put a bill in now to take care of that issue in 30 days in the same manner.

They don't have 30 days to solve that.


What would be the effect of going two weeks without raising the debt ceiling?  Wouldn't it be better to have that available as a backup rather than just hoping the GOP doesn't pull this same shiat and then going even longer?
 
2013-10-04 02:52:59 PM  
Ohmahgod.  Posting in a potentially epic thread.  Get the conservative-tear-catches ready!
 
2013-10-04 02:53:01 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


I really think best-case-scenario for us is that they seriously didn't discover this until just now.  Or a shier Rep thought about it but figured if it was possible it would've been done by now, so they kept quiet until recently.
 
2013-10-04 02:54:04 PM  

parasol: What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?


Matthew 16:26, I believe.
 
2013-10-04 02:54:39 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


You would prefer her just write a personal check?
 
2013-10-04 02:54:49 PM  
This is eveen better than the Trillion Dollar Coin with Boehner's face on it. The beauty of it is it would be bipartisan too.

The funny thing is that Boehner and the GOP are begging and pleading for President Obama to throw them any bone no matter how small so they can save some face. It's even funnier how President Obama is just leaving them hanging like they have done him so many times.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:18 PM  

Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

/doubts it'll work
//still farks over the GOP


The fun thing will be to watch how fast the GOP will have to spin from "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown and killing kids with cancer" to "Democrats want to fund everything at once and save kids with cancer, but this is now bad." If the bill passes, the GOP takes one on the jaw, hard. If the bill fails, there's yet another mental lurch they have to make to get back to "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown."

The GOP looks like idiots or assholes regardless.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:40 PM  
If this works and we get a clean CR, that takes a lot the wind out of the Tea Party sails. Sure, they'll scream and cry even harder but moderate GOP'ers might just get enough of a boost to shun the Tea Party cockups for a while.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:40 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


Because nobody expected the GOP to go full retard.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:53 PM  

ariseatex: LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?

I really think best-case-scenario for us is that they seriously didn't discover this until just now.  Or a shier Rep thought about it but figured if it was possible it would've been done by now, so they kept quiet until recently.


It's also possible that they didn't want to have to try this, hoping that everything could be resolved without it.  Or that they weren't sure until now that they could get enough R's to join them.
 
2013-10-04 02:55:55 PM  
Don't you see how huge of a threat the Dems are! Look at them trying to open the government and avert disaster! Oh the humanity!
 
2013-10-04 02:56:01 PM  

ariseatex: sugardave: ariseatex: FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.

And the GOP-holes give this many farks about you:

I'll let the rest of you celebrate this in terms of left vs. right.  Right now, IMHO, the Democratic party isn't doing enough to pressure Boehner.  They need to be out front and center going to every news agency with the same argument:  "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the debt limit, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the weather, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  Every tweet, every FB post, needs to be about the #BoehnerShutdown.

Anything less says "We'd rather play politics ourselves with the lives of 800,000 furloughed workers in non-political federal positions, as well as their families."


Except that wouldn't be correct.  It's not just Boehner standing in the way, it's all of the Republicans in the House...at least for now.
 
2013-10-04 02:56:02 PM  

ariseatex: LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?

I really think best-case-scenario for us is that they seriously didn't discover this until just now.  Or a shier Rep thought about it but figured if it was possible it would've been done by now, so they kept quiet until recently.


I'm going with a mix of "They didn't really think that the GOP (farking coonts) wouldn't go all the way through with it" and "They had themselves a Jim Carrey Me, Myself, and Irene moment".
 
2013-10-04 02:56:34 PM  

Rwa2play: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.


And I guarantee you, a GOPcritter brought this to Boehner and he sent it across to Pelosi.

He has to find a way out of this, but he can't because of the TP.  This way, he can get out of it, he can get the sane GOPers out of this mess and he can safely shield himself from reprisal because this petition is an end-run around the Speaker's position.  He's powerless to stop it, so they can't truly rage at him over it.

It allows the GOP to look tough and still allow the CR to pass.  At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.
 
2013-10-04 02:57:17 PM  
If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....
 
2013-10-04 02:57:48 PM  
I thought by "Discharge" it ment the white house could fire members of congress that refused to vote on a spending bill
 
2013-10-04 02:58:05 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Except that wouldn't be correct.  It's not just Boehner standing in the way, it's all of the Republicans in the House...at least for now.


FTFA:  At last count, as many as two dozen House Republicans appear prepared to vote for a clean CR. With Democrats included, that means a majority of the House of Representatives would vote right now to reopen the government. But the House GOP leadership won't allow such a vote.

The Post has been reporting this for 48 hours now.  The moment the 17th Republican went on record saying they would vote for a clean CR, any further continuation became entirely Boehner's fault.
 
2013-10-04 02:58:43 PM  

gnosis301: parasol: What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?

Matthew 16:26, I believe.


Though you lose your soul, you shall win the world.

--Mandate Catechism
 
2013-10-04 02:58:49 PM  
The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:21 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.


Not a discharge petition. Its the one way around the speaker. Normally the bill being voted for has to kick around for ninty days without a vote, but the Democrats are using a preexisting bill. If the petition gets a simple majority of support, they then amend it as needed and vote.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:24 PM  

ariseatex: sugardave: ariseatex: FTFA:  Dems say that if they get enough signatures, they'd be able to force a vote by October 14th. Given that House Republicans are now talking about letting the government shutdown battle spill into the fight over the debt limit - which expires on October 17th - it's very possible the government could still be closed at that point.

So we're cheering something that couldn't come to fruition for 10 more days?  And this is supposed to be good?

The only "good thing" I could see coming out of this is if enough Republicans sign within hours, Boehner sees it will happen no matter what, at which point he caves and brings the CR to a vote immediately.

So many of us can't wait 10 days.

And the GOP-holes give this many farks about you:

I'll let the rest of you celebrate this in terms of left vs. right.  Right now, IMHO, the Democratic party isn't doing enough to pressure Boehner.  They need to be out front and center going to every news agency with the same argument:  "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the debt limit, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  If someone asks about the weather, say "John Boehner is the ONLY person standing in the way of 800,000 furloughed workers going back to work."  Every tweet, every FB post, needs to be about the #BoehnerShutdown.

Anything less says "We'd rather play politics ourselves with the lives of 800,000 furloughed workers in non-political federal positions, as well as their families."


In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks
 
2013-10-04 02:59:29 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


Fox News has officially turned on the Derpers.  The Establishment GOP has declared them apostate and they're being thrown under the bus.

Beck might rage, but that's his job.  Fox has begun the process of reminding the GOP voters that the derpers are insane.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:35 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


Beck is going to have to really work hard to beat the "jar of pee with Obama in it" show.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:42 PM  
I said this months ago, and I'll say it again:

The democrats should try to find enough House Republicans to caucus with them to elect a new Speaker, shutting the Tea Party out of congress.

Terms of the deal are this:

-A Republican gets to be Speaker and chairmanships of a few key committees (but not appropriations).
-The GOP defectors will sit-down with Obama and the Dem Senate Leadership to agree on what legislation the GOP speaker will bring to the floor.
-The Democrats will not field any candidates against the defectors. Even if the defectors lose their primaries and run as independents in the general, the Democrats will stay out of the race. And if these GOP members want, Obama will even urge Democratic voters to vote for them in the general.

As outlandish as this may sound, this happens all of the time in state legislatures.

And while these GOP defectors may lose their primaries, the terms of the deal keep Democrats from running in the general, which would make it pretty easy for them to win reelection, especially if they're running against some ultra right wing tea party nut.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:46 PM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

You can have your cake but in order to eat it someone has to take a big shiat on it first.

Thats Washington's way


Can I just say that this response is brilliant on a lot of levels. I laughed pretty hard.
 
2013-10-04 02:59:55 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


The point is that the constitution doesn't say anything about a 'debt ceiling'. It shouldn't even exist in the first place and a unilateral action by Obama could initiate a challenge of it's constitutionality. That could be a good thing assuming SCOTUS agrees that it is unconstitutional.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:11 PM  
But I was told that Obama sustains himself on the misery of cancer kids.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:13 PM  

Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.


It give the GOP the narrative that the Dems bypassed democracy.  I don't know how having the majority of the House voting for something could be described as 'bypassing democracy' but I bet someone on FOX will do it.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:45 PM  

Mike_1962: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

Not a discharge petition. Its the one way around the speaker. Normally the bill being voted for has to kick around for ninty days without a vote, but the Democrats are using a preexisting bill. If the petition gets a simple majority of support, they then amend it as needed and vote.


Exactly.  And it's a GOP bill.  This tells me that a GOP critter remembered this bill and reminded everyone about how to get around the Speaker's position.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:49 PM  
This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.
 
2013-10-04 03:00:51 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2013-10-04 03:00:59 PM  
Anyone know how long we've been operating on CRs? Put another way, when was the last time Congress passed a budget?
 
2013-10-04 03:01:04 PM  

Infernalist: At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.


Tell you what, if Issa votes for this, I'll give you a month of TF. He's my rep, and while he's not a Teatard, he's pretty freaking retarded.
 
2013-10-04 03:01:15 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


FTA: Previously, it was thought this could not work, because a discharge petition takes 30 legislative days to ripen, so if this were tried with the clean CR that passed the Senate, this couldn't bear fruit until some time in November.
 
2013-10-04 03:01:30 PM  
Discharge petition.. yes, that'll work.  Someone should have thought of this at the start of the week.
 
2013-10-04 03:01:30 PM  

mainstreet62: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Were talking FOX News and InforWars in overdrive, Glen Beck strangling puppies on the air and nothing but the sound of Hoveround's evacuating government buildings after they set them ablaze.....


Sometimes you let the fever burn itself out.
 
2013-10-04 03:02:22 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?


Let's play out the other possible outcomes:

1) Boehner allows a clean CR to come to a vote - Derp goes to unprecedented levels
2) Boehner stalls until debt ceiling day and lets a clean CR go through - Derp goes to unprecedented levels
3) Boehner refuses a vote and the economy crumbles under shutdown - Derp goes to unprecedented levels
etc...

When your opposition has only one possible response no matter what you do, they take themselves out of the equation.  This is exactly what I've been advocating - cutting the GOP out of the process of governance as much as possible.  Next step would be to use coin/14th to bypass the debt ceiling, and get on with regular business and recovery.  The derpers were going to derp no matter what the Dems did, so they might as well do whatever they feel like doing.
 
2013-10-04 03:02:26 PM  
I can't wait to hear what Lankford thinks of this.
 
2013-10-04 03:02:52 PM  

SoupGuru: This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.


On the contrary, this will allow Boehner to vote 'No' on the petition, it'll allow a majority of GOPers to vote 'No' on the petition, and allow 18 'safe' GOPers to vote 'Yes' on the petition and the clean CR passes.

Boehner will be shielded from reprisal, the GOP looks united again, the TPers rage but only against a handful of GOP reps and the country's government reopens.

It's kabuki theater, but it gets the country running again.  fark it, let's do it.
 
2013-10-04 03:03:51 PM  

squidgod2000: Anyone know how long we've been operating on CRs? Put another way, when was the last time Congress passed a budget?


I'm thinking since at least the 2010 election.
 
2013-10-04 03:03:56 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


They were looking for a bill that was aged at least 30 days.  The one the Senate had passed wasn't ripe enough yet.  There's also some ridiculousness about which days they can vote on this.  It's pretty wonky and I wonder if these "moderate" GOPers who say they will vote for a clean bill will actually nut up and vote for it.  That would mean going against the Tea Baggers and Failure In Charge Boehner.

It also puts spending at levels the Dems don't necessarily want, but may be willing to live with to end the shut down so they don't carry any of the burden for starting this.  So the Republicans will sort of win even if they lose on this.  I don't think they will, though.  I bet they stay in lock step with Boehner and then they will really just have to own the shutdown 100%, IMO.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:07 PM  
Crying Boner ad to be played during football on Sunday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/john-boehner-shutdown-ad_n_ 40 44042.html

LMAO
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:04:10 PM  
Boom.
Next up:
www.winningprogressive.org
 
2013-10-04 03:04:21 PM  

GWSuperfan: Infernalist: At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.

Tell you what, if Issa votes for this, I'll give you a month of TF. He's my rep, and while he's not a Teatard, he's pretty freaking retarded.


If it passes, I'll pay for a month of TF for you.  Issa is farking retarded and I'm thinking it'll be Peter King and his cohorts who tried that coup before the shut down that'll vote Yes.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:30 PM  

birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.


Excellent; no need to give in to the austerity freaks.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:31 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: However, once we're clear of the shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis, we can at least go back to good old-fashioned negotiation when it comes to the budget numbers and appropriations. The Democrats haven't said they're unwilling to negotiate, they're just unwilling to negotiate with their backs against the wall regarding the shutdown or the debt ceiling.


This is a bad move.  The republicans won't agree to anything and this will play just like the sequester.  The Republicans refused to negotiate for 8 months on the budget and only decided to do anything when they could hold the debt ceiling and budget limit over the Democrats heads.  This will just lower the government at 1% every 90 days for a long time, it's exactly what the Republicans want.  If the Democrats can't take the House back it will be like economic quick sand
 
2013-10-04 03:04:35 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Considering they're trying this off of the back of a GOP sponsored bill, what are the chances that if it works the Republicans immediately start claiming credit for it like it was their idea all along?


About 100%
 
2013-10-04 03:04:49 PM  

parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks


I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:50 PM  
When Barnes Wallis proposed his bouncing bomb (complete with a filmed test drop) the Royal Navy turned him down. It wasn't that the bomb didn't work. The Royal Navy knew if they used the bomb on the much smaller German Navy, the Luftwaffe could sink many more British ships with the same technology.

Careful, Dems. But do it.
 
2013-10-04 03:04:52 PM  
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude.
 
2013-10-04 03:05:04 PM  

Clutch2013: TheShavingofOccam123: And I bet the Speaker of the House has the power to table or kill any pending legislation. And he'll do it.

And he'll do so at the cost of his career, because the PR alone would sink him.

This is the point in the movie where the hero's managed to snatch a gun from one of the guards, and now it's gone from being a hostage situation to a Mexican standoff.


I don't know why I find that utterly hilarious, but I do.
 
2013-10-04 03:05:57 PM  

Terpsichore: Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude.


Scathenfrith is the sheenest frith
 
2013-10-04 03:05:57 PM  
So, just to get this straight.  We pass a law that used to be the Repub's, then they freak out and cause a shutdown over it, and we're going to again turn to their legislation to reopen it.

Not sure if pleased that we are beating them with their own bills, or sad that the only bills we are passing used to be theirs.
 
2013-10-04 03:06:12 PM  

Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?


Has this news hit Freep yet?
 
2013-10-04 03:08:09 PM  
Dems have hit on a way to use a "discharge petition," which forces a House vote if a majority of Representatives signs it, to try to force the issue. Previously, it was thought this could not work, because a discharge petition takes 30 legislative days to ripen, so if this were tried with the clean CR that passed the Senate, this couldn't bear fruit until some time in November.

shiat like this is why our system is broken. If we have a majority wanting to vote for something it should happen then and there. We have a system that lets only party leaders bring things to vote, which makes the majority party in full control. We need to fix it so that anything can get voted on so that the legislation will be more moderate and bi-partisan instead of full controlled by the majority party.
 
2013-10-04 03:08:49 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: So did they just discover they can do this?  Why wasn't a plan put in place to do this on Sep 30?


You mean in a "Gerald Ford was eaten by wolves" kind of way?
 
2013-10-04 03:08:50 PM  
The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.

*facepalm*

The GOP can't buy themselves a break now, can they? I suspect this is going to work, barring even more byzantine procedural gymnastics that no mere mortal can comprehend. That'll clear the way for the derp brigade to biatch and moan about discharge petitions being unconstitutional, even though it's just inside House baseball.

You watch. That's totally happening.
 
2013-10-04 03:08:53 PM  

Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?


It's a mix of "Wobblie GOPers!!!" and "Touche, Mr. Bond" and "THEY'LL NEVER GET IT DONE FARKING CHEATERS!!!"
 
2013-10-04 03:09:10 PM  

Muta: Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

It give the GOP the narrative that the Dems bypassed democracy.  I don't know how having the majority of the House voting for something could be described as 'bypassing democracy' but I bet someone on FOX will do it.


We should worry that FOX will accuse the Democrats of bypassing democracy? Because I know more about quantum physics than Bryan Kilmeade knows about legislative processes.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:30 PM  

Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?


Yup.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3074941/posts?page=15

"You gotta' respect the ability of the Dems to be so conniving with their Parliamentary tricks. I still despise them for it, but at least they know how to get things done in DC. I wish the Repubs could get a clue...... "

"If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time "


Wow. Just wow.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:33 PM  

birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.


Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:48 PM  

Infernalist: SoupGuru: This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.

On the contrary, this will allow Boehner to vote 'No' on the petition, it'll allow a majority of GOPers to vote 'No' on the petition, and allow 18 'safe' GOPers to vote 'Yes' on the petition and the clean CR passes.

Boehner will be shielded from reprisal, the GOP looks united again, the TPers rage but only against a handful of GOP reps and the country's government reopens.

It's kabuki theater, but it gets the country running again.  fark it, let's do it.


This times a thousand.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:55 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: The irony here, of course, is that Dems are effectively hijacking a Republican bill in an effort to undercut the whole House GOP strategy.

*facepalm*

The GOP can't buy themselves a break now, can they? I suspect this is going to work, barring even more byzantine procedural gymnastics that no mere mortal can comprehend. That'll clear the way for the derp brigade to biatch and moan about discharge petitions being unconstitutional, even though it's just inside House baseball.

You watch. That's totally happening.


If they weren't farking retarded scum they wouldn't be republicans now would they.
 
2013-10-04 03:10:57 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: So, just to get this straight.  We pass a law that used to be the Repub's, then they freak out and cause a shutdown over it, and we're going to again turn to their legislation to reopen it.

Not sure if pleased that we are beating them with their own bills, or sad that the only bills we are passing used to be theirs.

 
2013-10-04 03:11:06 PM  
HA!  I'm surprised it took them this long to get the petition together!

Go House minority!  (and the few sane GOPers)
 
2013-10-04 03:11:40 PM  

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.

And I guarantee you, a GOPcritter brought this to Boehner and he sent it across to Pelosi.

He has to find a way out of this, but he can't because of the TP.  This way, he can get out of it, he can get the sane GOPers out of this mess and he can safely shield himself from reprisal because this petition is an end-run around the Speaker's position.  He's powerless to stop it, so they can't truly rage at him over it.


Wouldn't be surprised, even Boehner realizes he can't control the Teahadists in the House.

It allows the GOP to look tough and still allow the CR to pass.  At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.

Either that or, if they're that dumb, the TP will primary but leave those seats vulnerable to a Democrat winning it because...the TPs batshiat crazy.
 
2013-10-04 03:11:44 PM  
Neither CNN nor Fox have anything on this, so I'm guessing it's grandstanding by the Dems since I have 2 emails about it from them.
 
2013-10-04 03:11:49 PM  
Wait. The democrats' solution is to bring us to sequester funding levels. That makes sequester the new status quo. That means that Republicans have successfully shut down a number of government programs.

I don't like this solution at all.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:12 PM  
Wow. Smart. Congrats to whoever thought this up. Probably some young interns.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:17 PM  

birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.


I always picture Martin Sheen emerging from the river and The End is playing when ever anyone goes 'upriver' to freepland.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:21 PM  

stovepipe: Crying Boner ad to be played during football on Sunday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/john-boehner-shutdown-ad_n_ 40 44042.html

LMAO


They couldn't find a clip of him actually crying for the end of it? :P
 
2013-10-04 03:12:33 PM  

ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.


well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party
 
2013-10-04 03:12:39 PM  
This... this is why I keep an eye on politics.

Because this is f**kin' beautiful. And on a "news-dump" Friday, too.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:55 PM  
I'll believe that 17 GOPers will jump ship when I see it.   There are a lot of moderates that talk a big game to the press when it comes to hypotheticals about breaking away from the party, but when it comes nut cutting time they always stick with the herd.    It's hard to get pork projects approved and into your district when you don't have allies on either side of the aisle.

It will be useful for getting some GOP Representatives in blue and purple states on the voting record for closing the doors of government in 2014 Elections, though.
 
2013-10-04 03:12:57 PM  

birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.


Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".
 
2013-10-04 03:12:59 PM  

ariseatex: AdmirableSnackbar: Except that wouldn't be correct.  It's not just Boehner standing in the way, it's all of the Republicans in the House...at least for now.

FTFA:  At last count, as many as two dozen House Republicans appear prepared to vote for a clean CR. With Democrats included, that means a majority of the House of Representatives would vote right now to reopen the government. But the House GOP leadership won't allow such a vote.

The Post has been reporting this for 48 hours now.  The moment the 17th Republican went on record saying they would vote for a clean CR, any further continuation became entirely Boehner's fault.


This shutdown was a result of all of the Republicans so they all own it, not just Boehner.  Yes, that includes the 17 that now claim they would vote for a clean CR bill.  Just because they have supposedly changed their minds doesn't mean they aren't to blame.  Until they have actually voted to pass a clean CR then putting pressure only on Boehner is useless.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:27 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Wow. Smart. Congrats to whoever thought this up. Probably some young interns.


I feel sorry for sufficiently zealous intern.

He or she had to rifle through a hundred-thousand pages of repealing Obamacare and personhood amendments to find this.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:34 PM  
from freeperville

To: don-o
Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

To: don-o
They will never get to 18.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:34 PM  
The freepers are full of terrified thunder and fury.

here are the GOPers they're suggesting will vote 'Yes'

Peter T. King of New York,
Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Grimm of New York,
Mike Simpson of Idaho,
Devin Nunes of California,
C.W. Bill Young of Florida,
Erik Paulsen of Minnesota,
Frank A. LoBiondo of New Jersey,
Leonard Lance of New Jersey,
Jon Runyan of New Jersey,
Lou Barletta of Pennsylvania,
Jim Gerlach of Pennsylvania,
Michael G. Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania,
Patrick Meehan of Pennsylvania,
Frank R. Wolf of Virginia,
J. Randy Forbes of Virginia,
Rob Wittman of Virginia and
Scott Rigell of Virginia.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:36 PM  
parasol:

We should worry that FOX will accuse the Democrats of bypassing democracy? Because I know more about quantum physics than Bryan Kilmeade knows about legislative processes.
\
FOX isn't going to like something? You don't say! Well, at this point, no matter what, they are going to blame whatever happens on Obama and the Democrats, so does it matter? Just have to proceed without worrying about what they will say because it is always the same.
 
2013-10-04 03:13:52 PM  
Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:02 PM  
I need to go to bed now; I'll have to check back tonight and see how it went.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:07 PM  

jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".



If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:07 PM  

Bf+: Boom.
Next up:
[www.winningprogressive.org image 150x150]


I'm pretty sure that's counterfeit. If it were real, "Farting" would be embossed around the perimeter.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:31 PM  

parasol: ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.

well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party


Christmas was over months ago and she's still got one boob hanging out and is wearing the lamp shade.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:45 PM  

mikeray: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

I love this idea, we already know we have 800,000 non essentials working in the government. this is a way to cut that number 1 percent every 90 days. I am a conservative and don't give a fark who gets the credit for stopping this childish shiat.


What the fark is a "non-essential"? I can't stand when people say ignorant shiat like this. You're talking about PEOPLE, not lego blocks. What isn't essential to me may be VERY essential to you. Stop being lazy about cutting waste. You and your kind have to get it through your heads that THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION. Stop trying these general sweeps of layoffs and department closures. You'll have to go into each segment of the govenrment, find out what it is they do, and decide whether or not it can be done as effectively or more efficiently with fewer people or less resources. Just telling everyone they have 10% less money to get shiat done is STUPID and counter-productive.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:51 PM  
Words cannot describe how happy this makes me.
 
2013-10-04 03:14:54 PM  

Infernalist: SoupGuru: This will force Boehner to do something. If this happens, the Dems get all the credit for opening government.

On the contrary, this will allow Boehner to vote 'No' on the petition, it'll allow a majority of GOPers to vote 'No' on the petition, and allow 18 'safe' GOPers to vote 'Yes' on the petition and the clean CR passes.

Boehner will be shielded from reprisal, the GOP looks united again, the TPers rage but only against a handful of GOP reps and the country's government reopens.

It's kabuki theater, but it gets the country running again.  fark it, let's do it.


Naw, if this works the GOP will look like a bunch of clowns.  Teabaggers will continue their civil war with the  establishment GOP and the Dems will look like the grownups at the table to all reasonable americans.   Dems will be able to hold the Senate in 2014 and maybe pick up a seat or two in the House.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:04 PM  

Tigger: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

I always picture Martin Sheen emerging from the river and The End is playing when ever anyone goes 'upriver' to freepland.


Funny. Me too.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:20 PM  

DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.


None of you are reading TFA; right at the end of it the article says the Democrats will take the bill, strip it of all the reduction spending language, and add an amendment that funds a clean CR.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:24 PM  
Makes you wonder if the Dems had already figured this out and had it waiting in their back pockets waiting to go when the Republicans started threatening a shutdown.
 
2013-10-04 03:15:55 PM  

Infernalist: The freepers are full of terrified thunder and fury.

here are the GOPers they're suggesting will vote 'Yes'


There have been lists of names on Twitter ( I think up to 30?) of Rs that would vote yes on a clean CR if it was brought up.

We'll see.  I don't think they will. I think this won't pass but it will be the beginning of some real ugliness on Capitol Hill.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:02 PM  

peterquince: Wait. The democrats' solution is to bring us to sequester funding levels. That makes sequester the new status quo. That means that Republicans have successfully shut down a number of government programs.

I don't like this solution at all.


Incorrect.  Once they have 218 signatures, they can amend the vote to be a clean CR and then vote on it.  In fact, that's the plan.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:03 PM  

jst3p: They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.


Thank you, sir. You have done your country a great service.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:16 PM  

parasol: ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.

well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party


But Marge made one mistake at the Christmas party, and as bad or embarrassing as what she did might have been, she will be sure to never do it again.

This is Marge making a billion-dollar mistake DAILY, and stubbornly refusing to correct it.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:24 PM  

Bendal: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

None of you are reading TFA; right at the end of it the article says the Democrats will take the bill, strip it of all the reduction spending language, and add an amendment that funds a clean CR.


You aren't reading the thread - that update was only added well after we had all posted.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:32 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


And that's the crux of the problem. There is no constitutional remedy for what happens when the House refuses to follow their constitutional mandate.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:34 PM  
Also, from Freeperville:

www.freerepublic.com
 
2013-10-04 03:16:42 PM  

SnakeLee: This is a bad move


This is actually extremely clever.  They're planning to take a GOP bill that prevents a GOP shutdown, gut it, fill it full of CR, and then dare the GOP to not vote for it.

There is no upside for the GOP anywhere in this.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:42 PM  

fenianfark: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Yup.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3074941/posts?page=15

"You gotta' respect the ability of the Dems to be so conniving with their Parliamentary tricks. I still despise them for it, but at least they know how to get things done in DC. I wish the Repubs could get a clue...... "

"If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time "

Wow. Just wow.


FreeRepublic is always good for schadenfreude.
 
2013-10-04 03:16:54 PM  

Bendal: None of you are reading TFA; right at the end of it the article says the Democrats will take the bill, strip it of all the reduction spending language, and add an amendment that funds a clean CR.


The CR is at sequester levels.
 
2013-10-04 03:17:31 PM  
And we're just now thinking of this because...?
 
2013-10-04 03:17:40 PM  

wooden_badger: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

This

This doesn't appear to do anything for the debt ceiling.


Although the threat of default is a LOT more serious than a shutdown, I suspect the threat is a paper tiger at this point. The GOP knows that a default will have extremely dire consequences even if the TP doesn't care. GOP is showing very, very poorly in the polls now (even Fox's) as a result of the shutdown. In many, many people's minds, there isn't much distinction between the shutdown and the default. If the GOP allows default for any reason, they are going to own it, lock, stock and barrel. I strongly suspect that the shutdown was a trial balloon to gauge what a default's political fallout might look like. Well...looks like the trial got out of hand. No matter how you slice or dice this, the GOP and TP are pretty much screwed. As has been said before, hoist on their own retard. Snert
 
2013-10-04 03:18:15 PM  

lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?


Because none of the Democrats' bills were 'aged' enough and no one thought to check GOP bills.
 
2013-10-04 03:18:40 PM  

mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]


Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.
 
2013-10-04 03:19:22 PM  

DamnYankees: Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.


Did no one tell him that it's packed with clean, wholesome Continuing Resolution goodness?
 
2013-10-04 03:19:26 PM  

ariseatex: parasol: ariseatex: parasol: In all fairness? POTUS did say just that thing yesterday - twice, I think. It was somewhat surprising to me because it was clear finger pointing by name - and it was re-broadcast on networks

I saw that live too, and you're right.  I think the Democrats in the House and Senate, however, aren't saying this enough, and the DNC isn't doing enough to paint this continuation as all Boehner's fault.

well, they do have to still work with the man
at some point the entire office has to stop reminding marge in accounting about the unfortunate mistake she made at the christmas party

But Marge made one mistake at the Christmas party, and as bad or embarrassing as what she did might have been, she will be sure to never do it again.

This is Marge making a billion-dollar mistake DAILY, and stubbornly refusing to correct it.


oh, I know the details - but I just can't help but seeing Boehner any other way -
not making light of the situation
 
2013-10-04 03:19:28 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.


I was thinking it was the two greatest musical genres, country and western.
 
2013-10-04 03:19:28 PM  

jst3p: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.


you severely misspelled republicans in your post there.  several times too.
 
2013-10-04 03:19:44 PM  
Good! The Teabagger terrorists need to be stopped.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:04 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: DamnYankees: Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.

Did no one tell him that it's packed with clean, wholesome Continuing Resolution goodness?


GOP unity and personal loyalty is trumping everything right now.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:11 PM  

lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?


Because starting with a new bill requires a 30 day wait so they had to dig around and find an old bill good enough to repurpose.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:23 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]

Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.


Maybe they mean country music...
 
2013-10-04 03:20:38 PM  

DamnYankees: Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.


"Yeah, I support a clean CR"
"Would you mind signing this petition to put a clean CR on the floor"
"I don't support it THAT much"

- The Democrat Machine (@DemocratMachine) October 4, 2013
 
2013-10-04 03:20:44 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"



No, but it arguably creates a Constitutional crisis by placing the President squarely between two provisions of the Constitution.  One way or another, the Constitution is going to be violated (either by borrowing money without Congressional authorization, or by allowing a default).

The simple solution, of course, is to eliminate the debt ceiling altogether or, failing that, to re-institute the Gephardt rule.  As it works currently, the current two-stage process (authorize the spending, then separately authorize the borrowing) serves no purpose other than to allow for the sort of governing by crisis that we've been watching for years.
 
2013-10-04 03:20:51 PM  
Bear in mind, this can't be voted on until the 14th.  That's 10 days of shutdown goodness with the GOP's numbers being in the toilet.

They may say 'no' now, but let's see how they feel in 10 days.
 
2013-10-04 03:21:11 PM  
Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?
 
2013-10-04 03:21:39 PM  

ManateeGag: you severely misspelled republicans in your post there. several times too.


He's been mining the wasteland.  He may have PTSD.  No sudden movements or loud noises, please.
 
2013-10-04 03:21:50 PM  
The Politico article www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-house-cr-vote-97849 .html
 
2013-10-04 03:22:35 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]

Wait. Wait. So...the country made the country great? America made America great?

So meta. These people could be geniuses or fools. I'm not sure which.


Pretty sure they mean Country music.
 
2013-10-04 03:22:41 PM  

ariseatex: But Marge made one mistake at the Christmas party, and as bad or embarrassing as what she did might have been, she will be sure to never do it again.

This is Marge making a billion-dollar mistake DAILY, and stubbornly refusing to correct it.


ampoliros: Christmas was over months ago and she's still got one boob hanging out and is wearing the lamp shade.


Your example is more descriptive, let's go with yours.  #BoehnerBoobLampshadeShutdown
 
2013-10-04 03:22:50 PM  
great plan except that it would take 2 weeks
 
2013-10-04 03:23:53 PM  

you have pee hands: lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?

Because starting with a new bill requires a 30 day wait so they had to dig around and find an old bill good enough to repurpose.


Or they could have introduced a new legislative rule that allows a minority leader to call for an up or down vote for bringing a Senate passed bill to the floor. that would only take 7 days.
 
2013-10-04 03:24:08 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-04 03:24:22 PM  
fenianfark: [quoting Freeperville...]  If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time

Yes, because the Republickens haven't been "winning by cheating" at all in this fiasco.

There's even more irony. What an ironic day it's been already. Positively magnetic.
 
2013-10-04 03:24:58 PM  

jst3p: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.


Yeah, Gerrymandering isn't cheating at all!  No!!! Not by a long shot!!!!
 
2013-10-04 03:25:09 PM  

Infernalist: Rwa2play: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Oh, that's just farking beautiful.  The heads of the House GOPers are going to essplode Scanners style over this.

And I guarantee you, a GOPcritter brought this to Boehner and he sent it across to Pelosi.

He has to find a way out of this, but he can't because of the TP.  This way, he can get out of it, he can get the sane GOPers out of this mess and he can safely shield himself from reprisal because this petition is an end-run around the Speaker's position.  He's powerless to stop it, so they can't truly rage at him over it.

It allows the GOP to look tough and still allow the CR to pass.  At most, there will be rage at 18 GOPers who vote 'Yes' on the petition, but I guarantee, they'll be in the safest districts that aren't TP-aligned.


Congressional Kabuki at its finest.

Next up, Speaker Boehner and Representative Cantor will re-enact the death scene from Camille.
 
2013-10-04 03:25:17 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: great plan except that it would take 2 weeks


10 days.  And yeah, ten days sucks, but the polls are showing that the American people are increasingly blaming the GOP for this mess and it's only getting worse by the day.

They may not even last til the 14th.
 
2013-10-04 03:25:35 PM  

Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?


Can you see the flames yet?
 
2013-10-04 03:26:29 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


Well, that piece of paper also says that "only Congress has the power to declare war" while we have the 1973 War Powers Act.

Someone has to uphold the Constitution and if the Senate can't or won't the President has to. He's the executive.
 
2013-10-04 03:26:45 PM  

Skarekrough: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Can you see the flames yet?


They're raging so hard, my window tabs open to freepland are closing themselves spontaneously.
 
2013-10-04 03:27:19 PM  

imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?


When I was in law school, my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits." I thought that was a terribly cynical view, until I suffered the humiliation of having a case dismissed on the eve of trial due to a technical problem with service of process (by this time the statute of limitations had run, so I could not cure the defect). Now I don't know if it's better to win on procedure than on the merits, but I damn sure know that it's worse to lose on procedure than on the merits.
 
2013-10-04 03:27:21 PM  
img.pandawhale.com
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:27:22 PM  

MFAWG: Neither CNN nor Fox have anything on this, so I'm guessing it's grandstanding by the Dems since I have 2 emails about it from them.


Email?  Well, there's your problem.
CNN only reports tweets.
 
2013-10-04 03:27:39 PM  
The Hill has an article about this

thehill.com/homenews/house/326675-dems-plan-discharge-petition-to-for c e-vote-on-ending-shutdown
 
2013-10-04 03:28:45 PM  

kasmel: Or they could have introduced a new legislative rule that allows a minority leader to call for an up or down vote for bringing a Senate passed bill to the floor. that would only take 7 days.


F*cking legislatures.

Next time a customer asks when they can have the fix for the bug they reported, I'm gonna tell them their bug has to "age" 30 days before I can look at it. Unless they file a different kind of bug report for the same issue on a totally different system. Then I can pick it up in just 7 days.

I'm guessing that wouldn't go over so well at my job.
 
2013-10-04 03:28:48 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Considering they're trying this off of the back of a GOP sponsored bill, what are the chances that if it works the Republicans immediately start claiming credit for it like it was their idea all along?


Clearly this shows a lack of Fartbongo leadership.
 
2013-10-04 03:29:18 PM  
i106.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-04 03:29:34 PM  

Infernalist: They're raging so hard, my window tabs open to freepland are closing themselves spontaneously.


I consider myself a pretty Internet-savvy person, but this website makes no sense.
 
2013-10-04 03:29:41 PM  

jst3p: If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.



i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-10-04 03:29:44 PM  

Infernalist: Guarantee you that this GOPer came to the Dems with this bill in hand and said "This might help."

Guaranteed.

There's no way that the Democrats found this somewhere stuffed away.  This is Boehner's way out.


So you think that Boehner had this planned all along.

What color is the sky in your world?
 
2013-10-04 03:30:35 PM  
Seems like the trolls haven't gotten their talking points fed to them by the shepard yet.

Not enough butthurt in here.
 
2013-10-04 03:31:01 PM  

birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]


Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.
 
2013-10-04 03:31:28 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: DamnYankees: Devin Nunes, one of the GOPers who has openly said he'd vote for a clean CR, has announced there's "not a chance" he'd vote for the discharge petition.

"Yeah, I support a clean CR"
"Would you mind signing this petition to put a clean CR on the floor"
"I don't support it THAT much"- The Democrat Machine (@DemocratMachine) October 4, 2013


To be fair, there is a difference.
Voting for a clean CR would only be against the desires of other members of the party.
Signing on to a discharge position would be going against the will of the party leadership in the House.

It's a very different risk versus reward scenario.
 
2013-10-04 03:31:45 PM  

jst3p: If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.


I like the reality distortion of that comment. The democrats have already "won" politically. Now they are trying to end the punishment happening to the public.
 
2013-10-04 03:31:55 PM  

DamnYankees: nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.

Why not? The Democrats have nothing to be embarrassed about if the vote fails. That's one of the advantages of being in the minority.


This.  Plus, Republicans voted to threaten a Government shut-down.  Let's see the names of those voting to keep it closed.
 
2013-10-04 03:32:23 PM  

spongeboob: Infernalist: Guarantee you that this GOPer came to the Dems with this bill in hand and said "This might help."

Guaranteed.

There's no way that the Democrats found this somewhere stuffed away.  This is Boehner's way out.

So you think that Boehner had this planned all along.

What color is the sky in your world?


I'm saying Boehner got backed into this shutdown because the derpers are insane and he likes being Speaker.

I'm saying that either he or another GOP critter found this 'aged' bill sitting around and realized what could be done with it.

I'm saying he's privately backing the CR and has 18 or so GOPers that will fall on a grenade and vote Yes because their seats are relatively safe.

I'm saying he made a deal with Pelosi and the President, allowing the House Democrats to do an end-run around the Speaker's chair and he can look mad about it while privately allowing it so that the country can reopen in defiance of the Derper brigade's insanity.
 
2013-10-04 03:32:42 PM  

birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]


moviecitynews.com
 
2013-10-04 03:33:16 PM  

Infernalist: lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?

Because none of the Democrats' bills were 'aged' enough and no one thought to check GOP bills.


That's a huge mistake on the Dems' part.  They should, at all times, be researching what options they have to cut the GOP out of the decision making process.  That should constitute at least 1/3 of their efforts at any given moment.
 
2013-10-04 03:33:49 PM  

jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.


Shhhhh. One Ping Only.
 
2013-10-04 03:33:55 PM  

lockers: jst3p: If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.

I like the reality distortion of that comment. The democrats have already "won" politically. Now they are trying to end the punishment happening to the public.


The statement is derp on a number of levels. Who would cheat if they could win honestly? Who would actually believe anyone else, even their opposition, would do that?
 
2013-10-04 03:34:04 PM  

Skarekrough: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Can you see the flames yet?


It's like the worlds biggest tire fire.
 
2013-10-04 03:34:08 PM  
This is so freaking brilliant, if the Democrats pull it off they should toast with Guinness.

Seriously if this works the tea baggers heads will asplode and they will be vowing to primary any repub who votes or voted  for it.

Boehner is screwed he wants to get things done but the nutcases they let into the party won't let him.
 
2013-10-04 03:34:34 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Infernalist: lordluzr: And we're just now thinking of this because...?

Because none of the Democrats' bills were 'aged' enough and no one thought to check GOP bills.

That's a huge mistake on the Dems' part.  They should, at all times, be researching what options they have to cut the GOP out of the decision making process.  That should constitute at least 1/3 of their efforts at any given moment.


It was, undoubtedly, a mistake on their part to forget the GOP bills.  All the same, this gives the GOP ten days to get their asses kicked in the polls.  They might fold even before the 14th.
 
2013-10-04 03:35:03 PM  

jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.


Yeah it's a thing that alerts members on the list every time a topic comes up that falls under it. For example, every time a gun issue comes up in FReeperville, anyone on the BANG!! List gets pinged. It's a feature from roughly 2 decades ago.
 
2013-10-04 03:35:34 PM  

jst3p: If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.


You realize this only works if it's truly bipartisan, right?  That they have to have Republican support?  This isn't "cheating", it's circumventing the derp.
 
2013-10-04 03:36:13 PM  

shokokuphoenix: urger: BAHAHAHAHAHA

This begins the great tea bagger butthurt of our time...

/insert obligatory Nelson 'Ha-Ha!' .jpg here


This.

And more and more this pic is just becoming THE image of the Tea Derpers:

img.fark.net

Yeah, it's a bit of a classic, but one good thing that WILL happen is that the split (that at least some antidominionist researchers have seen coming since 2007) will happen and MAYBE what is left of the GOP can divest itself of the dominionist cancer that's been in its ranks since the mid-sixties (at least).

And then MAYBE in about sixty years we can have a political axis of "moderate/centrist right" rather than "far right/neofascist religionationalist". :3
 
2013-10-04 03:36:17 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.


Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.
 
2013-10-04 03:37:02 PM  

BMulligan: imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?

When I was in law school, my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits." I thought that was a terribly cynical view, until I suffered the humiliation of having a case dismissed on the eve of trial due to a technical problem with service of process (by this time the statute of limitations had run, so I could not cure the defect). Now I don't know if it's better to win on procedure than on the merits, but I damn sure know that it's worse to lose on procedure than on the merits.


It's kinda like it's better to strike out swinging than for the pitcher to just throw three strikes while you stand there.
 
2013-10-04 03:37:25 PM  

Biological Ali: [static6.businessinsider.com image 590x483]


biatchsolemyfish.jpg
 
2013-10-04 03:38:16 PM  

mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.


The only way this stops being funny is if we default. But even then, I'm going to have to pause and consider if I should keep laughing.
 
2013-10-04 03:38:52 PM  
I hate that "sequester levels" are the new normal that we have to strive towards. Can't change that at all to make it "full farking funding"?
 
2013-10-04 03:39:02 PM  

timujin: jst3p: If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.

You realize this only works if it's truly bipartisan, right?  That they have to have Republican support?  This isn't "cheating", it's circumventing the derp.


I would like to point out that I am copy pastaing freepers. Don't farkie me with derp.
 
2013-10-04 03:39:33 PM  
Someone should drop a crate of guns on the republican side of congress and let them sort all this out amongst themselves.
 
2013-10-04 03:39:51 PM  

fenianfark: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Yup.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3074941/posts?page=15

"You gotta' respect the ability of the Dems to be so conniving with their Parliamentary tricks. I still despise them for it, but at least they know how to get things done in DC. I wish the Repubs could get a clue...... "

"If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time "

Wow. Just wow.


My cognitive dissonance meter just blew up.
 
2013-10-04 03:39:54 PM  

jst3p: timujin: jst3p: If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.

You realize this only works if it's truly bipartisan, right?  That they have to have Republican support?  This isn't "cheating", it's circumventing the derp.

I would like to point out that I am copy pastaing freepers. Don't farkie me with derp.


You are going to need therapy and a beer.
 
2013-10-04 03:39:59 PM  

Infernalist: Whoever thought this plan up(if it works), I would like to establish a Kickstarter so that we can buy them some good beer.


Beer, hell.  If we can find out who did this and if they're a bourbon-drinking person, I'd be tempted to do a kickstarter to get 'em a few BOTTLES of George T. Stagg at this rate :D
 
2013-10-04 03:40:18 PM  

cman: Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


So you're thinking that Obama should take the money out of his own checkbook instead of bypassing Congress to pay the bills? It says, "pay the farking bills." It doesn't say, "pay the farking bills, but you can't bypass Congress to do this."
 
2013-10-04 03:40:19 PM  

jst3p: timujin: jst3p: If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.

You realize this only works if it's truly bipartisan, right?  That they have to have Republican support?  This isn't "cheating", it's circumventing the derp.

I would like to point out that I am copy pastaing freepers. Don't farkie me with derp.


thanks for the clarification, it's hard to keep track sometimes
 
2013-10-04 03:40:23 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.

Yeah it's a thing that alerts members on the list every time a topic comes up that falls under it. For example, every time a gun issue comes up in FReeperville, anyone on the BANG!! List gets pinged. It's a feature from roughly 2 decades ago.


Freepland is a relic of a time long past, when threaded comments were a distant dream of what the future might look like.

Their denizens are mutated and twisted by long isolation from the rest of the world.  They hate the outside world and blame it for their painful existence.  They are led by a madman and yearn for the end of all existence so that their pain will end.

They are powerless in the larger world, but woe to any who go there in search of Purified Derp, for their threads are a maze and those who try to decipher them often lose themselves to madness and rage.

Venture there only out of necessity, young ones.  Man was never meant to see such things.
 
2013-10-04 03:40:28 PM  

jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.
 
2013-10-04 03:40:41 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Skarekrough: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Can you see the flames yet?

It's like the worlds biggest tire fire.


I will be there later with popcorn - and wonder why an entire group of people who think legislative rules are cheating and know they should be running the government
 
2013-10-04 03:40:44 PM  

mrshowrules: Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.


The narrative impact of the Democrats pushing legislation through the House to reopen the government over the tea party's carcass?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-04 03:40:46 PM  

rev. dave: Someone should drop a crate of guns on the republican side of congress and let them sort all this out amongst themselves.


Haven't they shot themselves in the foot enough already?
 
2013-10-04 03:40:54 PM  
Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".
 
2013-10-04 03:40:57 PM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Though you lose your soul, you shall win the world.

--Mandate Catechism


I just finished the first book. Hopefully the rest get delivered today.
 
2013-10-04 03:41:11 PM  

jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.


some type of RSS blog shiat.
 
2013-10-04 03:41:26 PM  

jst3p: lockers: jst3p: If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.

I like the reality distortion of that comment. The democrats have already "won" politically. Now they are trying to end the punishment happening to the public.

The statement is derp on a number of levels. Who would cheat if they could win honestly? Who would actually believe anyone else, even their opposition, would do that?


Cheating doesn't even make sense. The rules are what they are, which the house decides for itself. It's like when I tell my Fiancee that she's cheating at bejeweled blitz, except I don't actually believe it.
 
2013-10-04 03:41:52 PM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


Guess I'm late to the party with re-posting Freep material
 
2013-10-04 03:42:08 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


So according to you the Republicans then are being disobeying the constitution then?
 
2013-10-04 03:43:22 PM  

mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.


I had to look up the Paul comment.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

WTF does that even mean?
 
2013-10-04 03:43:25 PM  

KarmicDisaster: jst3p: timujin: jst3p: If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.

You realize this only works if it's truly bipartisan, right?  That they have to have Republican support?  This isn't "cheating", it's circumventing the derp.

I would like to point out that I am copy pastaing freepers. Don't farkie me with derp.

You are going to need therapy and a beer.


I listen to right wing radio in the car too. It is kind of like watching Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, makes me feel better about my life.

Plus I have a couple derpers at work that I like to be out in front of their talking points when we spar.
 
2013-10-04 03:43:35 PM  

parasol: DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.

What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?


Well if profits him one world for starters.
 
2013-10-04 03:44:05 PM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


0/10
 
2013-10-04 03:44:21 PM  

I Said: I hate that "sequester levels" are the new normal that we have to strive towards. Can't change that at all to make it "full farking funding"?


Honestly, everyone with half a brain knew that spending was going to have to go down and taxes were going to have to go up. The sequester allowed that to happen with nobody having to shoulder the blame.
 
2013-10-04 03:44:28 PM  

Infernalist: Bareefer Obonghit: jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.

Yeah it's a thing that alerts members on the list every time a topic comes up that falls under it. For example, every time a gun issue comes up in FReeperville, anyone on the BANG!! List gets pinged. It's a feature from roughly 2 decades ago.

Freepland is a relic of a time long past, when threaded comments were a distant dream of what the future might look like.

Their denizens are mutated and twisted by long isolation from the rest of the world.  They hate the outside world and blame it for their painful existence.  They are led by a madman and yearn for the end of all existence so that their pain will end.

They are powerless in the larger world, but woe to any who go there in search of Purified Derp, for their threads are a maze and those who try to decipher them often lose themselves to madness and rage.

Venture there only out of necessity, young ones.  Man was never meant to see such things.


I love this. Well done, sir.
 
2013-10-04 03:44:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

I had to look up the Paul comment.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

WTF does that even mean?


It means their leadership is mostly concerned with winning the Poll war.  And they're losing it horribly.
 
2013-10-04 03:44:40 PM  

spongeboob: parasol: DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.

What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?

Well if profits him one world for starters.


I'm pretty sure that puts you in a higher tax bracket.
 
2013-10-04 03:45:02 PM  

cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"


That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?
 
2013-10-04 03:45:07 PM  

Corvus: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.


Yeah there is this gem too:

The dems used some back handed trick to pass Obama care... IIRC L ouise slaughter of NY brain washed some procedure and got it to the senate and back and called it okay to do... and it was passed, by all democrats


Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.
 
2013-10-04 03:45:54 PM  

BMulligan: imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?

When I was in law school, my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits." I thought that was a terribly cynical view, until I suffered the humiliation of having a case dismissed on the eve of trial due to a technical problem with service of process (by this time the statute of limitations had run, so I could not cure the defect). Now I don't know if it's better to win on procedure than on the merits, but I damn sure know that it's worse to lose on procedure than on the merits.


Damn.  That sucks.

I see what the professor is saying, though.  A solid procedural argument is pretty much a guaranteed win, while a solid argument on the merits can still be undone by a "something to hang your hat on" ruling or a jury that just likes the other side more for whatever reason.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:16 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Rwa2play: It cuts off one GOP narrative about Democrats refusing to reopen. Also forces the Repubs to put up or shut up.

/doubts it'll work
//still farks over the GOP

The fun thing will be to watch how fast the GOP will have to spin from "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown and killing kids with cancer" to "Democrats want to fund everything at once and save kids with cancer, but this is now bad." If the bill passes, the GOP takes one on the jaw, hard. If the bill fails, there's yet another mental lurch they have to make to get back to "Democrats are the reason for this horrible shutdown."

The GOP looks like idiots or assholes regardless.


They have gone way beyond caring about stuff like that.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:43 PM  

BMulligan: my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits."


Your professor sounds lazy and like he didn't care to defend the merits of his cases.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:47 PM  

birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]


The horror... the horror...
 
2013-10-04 03:46:50 PM  

cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10


He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.
 
2013-10-04 03:46:50 PM  
If this happens imma laugh my ass off
 
2013-10-04 03:47:04 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: The GOP looks like idiots or assholes regardless



FTFY
 
2013-10-04 03:47:08 PM  

Corvus: That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-10-04 03:47:30 PM  
jst3p:
Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.

Heck, they seem to feel that blocking a vote with procedure is patriotism, actual voting or abiding by a vote is cheating.
 
2013-10-04 03:47:35 PM  

jst3p: The statement is derp on a number of levels. Who would cheat if they could win honestly? Who would actually believe anyone else, even their opposition, would do that?


So, apparently "cheating" is the talking point du jour.  FYI, "cheating" is what happens when one or more parties doesn't follow the rules. The discharge petition has been a part of House rules for about a century now.

/is it hard to sit with so much butthurt?
 
2013-10-04 03:47:36 PM  

Weaver95: If this happens imma laugh my ass off


It has a history of working.  They pulled it off in 2002 against Denny Hastert.
 
2013-10-04 03:47:45 PM  

fenianfark: cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10

He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.


What's awesome is that it could be a real Freeper, or one of you farks posting over there.  Poe's law, we'll never know.
 
2013-10-04 03:47:54 PM  

jst3p: Corvus: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.

Yeah there is this gem too:

The dems used some back handed trick to pass Obama care... IIRC L ouise slaughter of NY brain washed some procedure and got it to the senate and back and called it okay to do... and it was passed, by all democrats


Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.


I love their logic. Majority voting to get things passed is "cheating" and a "backhanded trick". Holding the use hostage to black mail people into votes is the honest way.

These people have their heads up their ass so far.
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:48:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."


i.imgur.com
cdn.fd.uproxx.com
 
2013-10-04 03:48:35 PM  

Bontesla: I think there are more than 18 that support the shutdown. Doesn't the 18 refer to the signatories?


Yes.
 
2013-10-04 03:48:38 PM  

Infernalist: Weaver95: If this happens imma laugh my ass off

It has a history of working.  They pulled it off in 2002 against Denny Hastert.


The screams from the tea derpers alone would make it worthwhile.
 
2013-10-04 03:48:41 PM  

Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

So according to you the Republicans then are being disobeying the constitution then?


I'm certainly not a Fourteenth Amendment scholar. But the House wouldn't be disobeying the Constitution in any event.

The problem with the so-called Fourteenth Amendment solution is that it really just talks about obligations. So as long as the President pays the debt obligations using the incoming revenues the Constitution is probably satisfied. He probably can't raise any more money than needed to fulfill the debt obligation.
 
2013-10-04 03:49:14 PM  

Infernalist: Bareefer Obonghit: jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.

Yeah it's a thing that alerts members on the list every time a topic comes up that falls under it. For example, every time a gun issue comes up in FReeperville, anyone on the BANG!! List gets pinged. It's a feature from roughly 2 decades ago.

Freepland is a relic of a time long past, when threaded comments were a distant dream of what the future might look like.

Their denizens are mutated and twisted by long isolation from the rest of the world.  They hate the outside world and blame it for their painful existence.  They are led by a madman and yearn for the end of all existence so that their pain will end.

They are powerless in the larger world, but woe to any who go there in search of Purified Derp, for their threads are a maze and those who try to decipher them often lose themselves to madness and rage.

Venture there only out of necessity, young ones.  Man was never meant to see such things.


moviecitynews.com
 
2013-10-04 03:49:43 PM  

SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.


Ending the shutdown with a clean CR is more important than embarrassing Boehner, who looks quite weak enough as it is.
 
2013-10-04 03:49:45 PM  

imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?


I keep looking at this and thinking "You see GOP, this is why you never go all in on an opponent with two islands untapped."
 
2013-10-04 03:49:51 PM  

grandma's famous pot pie recipe: fenianfark: cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10

He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.

What's awesome is that it could be a real Freeper, or one of you farks posting over there.  Poe's law, we'll never know.


Oh, they're very quick to ban anyone who doesn't toe the line.  Multiple purges in the last RNC primary season.  It was a digital Night of the Long Knives.  Repeatedly.  In truth, it's a fascinating study into the conservative mind that is so clear and vile in its expression that simply immersing yourself in the derp now and again will render you all but immune to the tired-ass trolls here on Fark.
 
2013-10-04 03:49:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

I had to look up the Paul comment.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

WTF does that even mean?


May I?

Paul added "I think if we keep saying (to the public) "We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and we're willing to compromise on this (even though that isn't true), I think they (dems) can't (pause, well, the are), we're gonna (not really convinced but trying hard) I think....well I know we dont want to be here (we f*cked) but we're gonna win this, I think (not really but lets be positive).

Just what I took away
 
2013-10-04 03:50:15 PM  

Weaver95: If this happens imma laugh my ass off


Agreed... GOP is getting played like fiddles. I would be embarrassed for them if they weren't a bunch of mean-spirited, ignorant assholes who deserve whatever they get.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:01 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: mrshowrules: Bareefer Obonghit: DamnYankees: UPDATE: Roll Call reporting the Dems would actually amend Lankford's bill and replace it with the CR the Senate passed. So it'd be a clean CR, without the "drop by 1% every 90 days" crap.

Alright, now this is just hilarious. It feels too funny to be true.

Also, the timing seems perfect.  Fox polls show Republicans tanking.  Fake story about 21 year old getting Obamacare.  Hot mike comment by Paul.  The GOP imploding and the DNC taking action.  I predicted this would be sweeter than SCOTUS holding up individual mandate but this awesome.

I had to look up the Paul comment.

Paul added, "I think if we keep saying, 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we're willing to compromise on this', I think they can't, we're gonna, I think... well, I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this, I think."

WTF does that even mean?


It means that they are farked.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:01 PM  

DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.


The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:06 PM  

Corvus: jst3p: Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.

I love their logic. Majority voting to get things passed is "cheating" and a "backhanded trick". Holding the use hostage to black mail people into votes is the honest way.


In fairness, they've listened, over and over and over, to people telling them that Obamacare was passed quickly, in the dead of the night, and nobody was allowed to read the bill before it was voted on.

So it's not entirely their fault that they are misinformed.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:49 PM  
If this turns out to be true, I just want to have posted in this thread.

/please make this be true.
 
2013-10-04 03:51:51 PM  

Corvus: cman: FlashHarry: DamnYankees: My other worry here is that if the Dems did this, it would INFURIATE the GOP and make a debt default more likely.

that's a win too, because obama will be "forced" to either use the $1T coin or cite the 14th amendment to ignore the petulant house GOP and the bills will get paid while the republicans look like dangerously unhinged psychopaths.

Why does that stupid 14th amendment argument come up still?

The amendment says that debt is to be honored, but it doesn't give any power to allow for going around congress. It just says "Pay the farking bills". It doesn't say "The President can do whatever he want to pay the bills"

That's odd since that was passed exactly so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills, like what is exactly being done today.

It's amazing they put something in an constitution amendment that according to does absolutely nothing. Why would you think they would do that exactly?


Wow, did you actually read the text of the amendment? If so you would come to a conclusion pretty damn quickly: section 5 gives the power to congress to implement the amendment. Congress makes the decision on this.
 
2013-10-04 03:52:21 PM  

jst3p: Corvus: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.

Yeah there is this gem too:

The dems used some back handed trick to pass Obama care... IIRC L ouise slaughter of NY brain washed some procedure and got it to the senate and back and called it okay to do... and it was passed, by all democrats


Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.


You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.
 
2013-10-04 03:52:36 PM  
So the House Republicans are acting like coonts? Color me surprised.
 
2013-10-04 03:52:52 PM  

birdmanesq: The problem with the so-called Fourteenth Amendment solution is that it really just talks about obligations. So as long as the President pays the debt obligations using the incoming revenues the Constitution is probably satisfied. He probably can't raise any more money than needed to fulfill the debt obligation.


Yeah, IIRC, the point of the section was for the government to reject explicitly the assumption of Confederate debt, while guaranteeing that all other debts were still owed.
 
2013-10-04 03:53:49 PM  

Infernalist: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: fenianfark: cretinbob: grandma's famous pot pie recipe: Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

0/10

He's not trolling, that's re-posted Freeper logic. The sad thing is, the Freepers aren't trying to troll, they really mean it. Bless their simple hearts.

What's awesome is that it could be a real Freeper, or one of you farks posting over there.  Poe's law, we'll never know.

Oh, they're very quick to ban anyone who doesn't toe the line.  Multiple purges in the last RNC primary season.  It was a digital Night of the Long Knives.  Repeatedly.  In truth, it's a fascinating study into the conservative mind that is so clear and vile in its expression that simply immersing yourself in the derp now and again will render you all but immune to the tired-ass trolls here on Fark.


It's kind of a shame. In 2003 and 4 it was full of smart, funny people whose politics I disagreed with. It was also instrumental in setting the talking points as opposed to just parroting them.

Then came Rathergate, and it was over very.quickly after that.
 
2013-10-04 03:54:13 PM  

Corvus: so the southern states wouldn't be able to black male everyone by not paying the bills


Oh shiat...
 
2013-10-04 03:54:18 PM  

nmrsnr: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Though you lose your soul, you shall win the world.

--Mandate Catechism

I just finished the first book. Hopefully the rest get delivered today.


The Tea Party is literally the Consult.

I'm afraid Obama may be Kellhus.
 
2013-10-04 03:54:20 PM  

Rwa2play: You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.


Can you translate this to non-carney?

Heels and faces?
 
2013-10-04 03:54:35 PM  

TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.


To be fair they are looking out for their jobs. They know if the break ranks it will probably cost them their job by getting primaried by the teabaggers next year.
 
2013-10-04 03:54:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.


Not all of them.  Some of them tried to lauch a coup and force a vote on a clean CR on the eve of the shutdown.  Peter King and about 13 others.

Granted, they're still GOPers, so they're retarded conservatives, but they're not insane enough to want to close the government.

The problem is that Boehner won't hold a vote on a clean CR because if he does, the TP will burn him down and replace him with someone else and he 'likes' being Speaker.

This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers.  I did my best."
 
2013-10-04 03:56:19 PM  
I bet the GOP is relieved that the democrats are saving them from themselves.
 
2013-10-04 03:56:33 PM  

imontheinternet: BMulligan: imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?

When I was in law school, my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits." I thought that was a terribly cynical view, until I suffered the humiliation of having a case dismissed on the eve of trial due to a technical problem with service of process (by this time the statute of limitations had run, so I could not cure the defect). Now I don't know if it's better to win on procedure than on the merits, but I damn sure know that it's worse to lose on procedure than on the merits.

Damn.  That sucks.

I see what the professor is saying, though.  A solid procedural argument is pretty much a guaranteed win, while a solid argument on the merits can still be undone by a "something to hang your hat on" ruling or a jury that just likes the other side more for whatever reason.


Exactly. By the way, that professor was one of the smartest people I've ever met - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law where she was the first woman ever elected Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, clerked for Justice Blackmun, and now sits on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nice as pie, too.
 
2013-10-04 03:56:49 PM  

Infernalist: spongeboob: Infernalist: Guarantee you that this GOPer came to the Dems with this bill in hand and said "This might help."

Guaranteed.

There's no way that the Democrats found this somewhere stuffed away.  This is Boehner's way out.

So you think that Boehner had this planned all along.

What color is the sky in your world?

I'm saying Boehner got backed into this shutdown because the derpers are insane and he likes being Speaker.

I'm saying that either he or another GOP critter found this 'aged' bill sitting around and realized what could be done with it.

I'm saying he's privately backing the CR and has 18 or so GOPers that will fall on a grenade and vote Yes because their seats are relatively safe.

I'm saying he made a deal with Pelosi and the President, allowing the House Democrats to do an end-run around the Speaker's chair and he can look mad about it while privately allowing it so that the country can reopen in defiance of the Derper brigade's insanity.


You are saying that the Democrats aren't smart enough to find this bill, but Boehner or another Repbulican were, and not only smart enough to find the bill, but they are giving it to the Democrats because they just love America that much, well not enough to just bring a clean CR to the floor but enough to save it.


YOU just really want Boehner to be the hero in this don't you?
 
2013-10-04 03:56:51 PM  

lockers: I bet the GOP is relieved that the democrats are saving them from themselves.


This is likely very much the case for the non-TP caucus GOPers.
 
2013-10-04 03:56:57 PM  

imontheinternet: Yeah, IIRC, the point of the section was for the government to reject explicitly the assumption of Confederate debt, while guaranteeing that all other debts were still owed.


That was certainly the point at the time, but it is still part of the Supreme Law and may apply to other situations as well.
 
2013-10-04 03:57:15 PM  
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in cantor's office
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 03:57:34 PM  

Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."


It was probably his idea.
 
2013-10-04 03:57:40 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: imontheinternet: Ah, obscure Congressional procedural rules.  Is there anything you can't do?

I keep looking at this and thinking "You see GOP, this is why you never go all in on an opponent with two islands untapped."


Really? All the GOP has to be holding is Misdirection and something blue.
 
2013-10-04 03:58:11 PM  

spongeboob: Infernalist: spongeboob: Infernalist: Guarantee you that this GOPer came to the Dems with this bill in hand and said "This might help."

Guaranteed.

There's no way that the Democrats found this somewhere stuffed away.  This is Boehner's way out.

So you think that Boehner had this planned all along.

What color is the sky in your world?

I'm saying Boehner got backed into this shutdown because the derpers are insane and he likes being Speaker.

I'm saying that either he or another GOP critter found this 'aged' bill sitting around and realized what could be done with it.

I'm saying he's privately backing the CR and has 18 or so GOPers that will fall on a grenade and vote Yes because their seats are relatively safe.

I'm saying he made a deal with Pelosi and the President, allowing the House Democrats to do an end-run around the Speaker's chair and he can look mad about it while privately allowing it so that the country can reopen in defiance of the Derper brigade's insanity.

You are saying that the Democrats aren't smart enough to find this bill, but Boehner or another Repbulican were, and not only smart enough to find the bill, but they are giving it to the Democrats because they just love America that much, well not enough to just bring a clean CR to the floor but enough to save it.


YOU just really want Boehner to be the hero in this don't you?


Nope, I'm saying he did this to save the GOP 'and' get the country running again.  It's a mix of self-interest and honest governance.  Because while Boehner is an asshole, he's not an insane asshole who wants to ruin the country.
 
2013-10-04 03:58:36 PM  

parasol: I'd love to be a fly on the wall in cantor's office


You'd only be able to fly with your right wing.
 
2013-10-04 03:58:47 PM  

Null Pointer: TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.

To be fair they are looking out for their jobs. They know if the break ranks it will probably cost them their job by getting primaried by the teabaggers next year.


That's why their pay and benefits should be the first thing cut, so that they aren't in such a hurry to cut everyone else's while they have a secure job.
 
2013-10-04 03:58:59 PM  
images.wikia.com

"Hey... guy, what's going on in here?"
 
2013-10-04 03:59:05 PM  

Bf+: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."

It was probably his idea.


Hell, I'll bet at this point that Cruz is happy there's a way out of the mess he caused that doesn't involve him being murdered by his fellow republicans.
 
2013-10-04 03:59:19 PM  
What is noteworthy about the Freeper comments is a complete lack of optimism.  That is heart warming at least.
 
2013-10-04 03:59:25 PM  

birdmanesq: So it's not entirely their fault that they are misinformed.


Freepers? Fark that. Freepers wallow in their misinformation. They liberally coat themselves with it. I got sympathy for Ma and Pa Kettle in East Bumfark, West Virginia, but I got no sympathy for Freepers.
 
2013-10-04 04:00:08 PM  
We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.
 
2013-10-04 04:00:14 PM  

Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers.  I did my best."


Yes, that's pretty disappointing. I'm hoping that they get the government open ASAP, but I really would like to see Boehner fry some more over this clusterfark.
 
2013-10-04 04:00:28 PM  

mrshowrules: What is noteworthy about the Freeper comments is a complete lack of optimism.  That is heart warming at least.


Just as long as they're talking. If they get quiet all the sudden, that's when we worry.
 
2013-10-04 04:00:49 PM  

Bf+: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."

It was probably his idea.


That's my general thought.  Or whoever brought it to him pitched it like this:

"John, I know this whole thing has been hard on you.."

"Goddamned Tea Party freaks."

"Right, so here's this bill....Yeah, from March.  Now, remember 2002 when they did the petition against Hastert?"

"Yeah, complete end-run around him, he was...powerless to stop it."

"You see where I'm going with it, then."

"Send this over to Pelosi's office.  Use one of the mail runners, not one of our staffers."
 
2013-10-04 04:00:57 PM  

Infernalist: The problem is that Boehner won't hold a vote on a clean CR because if he does, the TP will burn him down and replace him with someone else and he 'likes' being Speaker.


They could vote to remove him easily. But since the Speaker is elected by the entire House, they could not be guaranteed the replacement they want unless they held a supermajority. This is why Boehner failed to oust Gingrich in a coup in the 90s.
 
2013-10-04 04:01:10 PM  
Leave it to the Demmycrats to hijack yet another Republican proposal for their own agenda...

/and I'm OK with that
 
2013-10-04 04:01:57 PM  

Infernalist: Nope, I'm saying he did this to save the GOP 'and' get the country running again.  It's a mix of self-interest and honest governance.  Because while Boehner is an asshole, he's not an insane asshole who wants to ruin the country.


You are saying Boehner is not insane?  You realize that he will burst into uncontrolled sobbing anytime you mention his childhood.  Just saying.
 
2013-10-04 04:02:02 PM  
John Boehner is gonna be *DRUNK* tonight!
 
2013-10-04 04:02:54 PM  

BMulligan: Exactly. By the way, that professor was one of the smartest people I've ever met - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law where she was the first woman ever elected Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, clerked for Justice Blackmun, and now sits on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nice as pie, too.


Wow.  That's a helluva resume.
 
2013-10-04 04:03:02 PM  

jst3p: Rwa2play: You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.

Can you translate this to non-carney?

Heels and faces?


Heels = Bad Guys
Faces = Good Guys.
 
2013-10-04 04:03:06 PM  

Cork on Fork: BMulligan: my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits."

Your professor sounds lazy and like he didn't care to defend the merits of his cases.


Among the all the myriad ways your comment is wrong, Judge Moore is actually a woman.
 
2013-10-04 04:03:36 PM  

KarmicDisaster: That's why their pay and benefits should be the first thing cut, so that they aren't in such a hurry to cut everyone else's while they have a secure job.


Difficulty: Congressional pay and renumeration cannot be changed for a current Congress. Only for future sessions.
 
2013-10-04 04:03:39 PM  

kasmel: Or they could have introduced a new legislative rule that allows a minority leader to call for an up or down vote for bringing a Senate passed bill to the floor. that would only take 7 days.


Except that rule would have to be advanced by the Republican-dominated Rules Committee.
 
2013-10-04 04:04:17 PM  

imontheinternet: BMulligan: Exactly. By the way, that professor was one of the smartest people I've ever met - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law where she was the first woman ever elected Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, clerked for Justice Blackmun, and now sits on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nice as pie, too.

Wow.  That's a helluva resume.


Is she hot?
 
2013-10-04 04:05:00 PM  

Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.


I'll go for 6.  Ann Coulter will pop a vein for it.
 
2013-10-04 04:05:30 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Skarekrough: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Can you see the flames yet?

It's like the worlds biggest tire fire.


Why are they upset?  Isn't is a GOP bill that is being moved forward?
 
2013-10-04 04:06:40 PM  

Somacandra: imontheinternet: Yeah, IIRC, the point of the section was for the government to reject explicitly the assumption of Confederate debt, while guaranteeing that all other debts were still owed.

That was certainly the point at the time, but it is still part of the Supreme Law and may apply to other situations as well.


True, but the way it's worded lends itself to more of a "recognizing the debt exists" interpretation than to an "obligation to pay no matter what" one, as does the context of the entire paragraph.  You never know which way it would ultimately go, but trying to end this thing using the 14th Amendment could be dangerous, possibly giving the House the excuse they need to file for impeachment.
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 04:06:54 PM  

Weaver95: Bf+: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."

It was probably his idea.

Hell, I'll bet at this point that Cruz is happy there's a way out of the mess he caused that doesn't involve him being murdered by his fellow republicans.


Because we're talking about Republicans, you'll have to pick a different word:
1) Lynched
2) Raped
3) Hitler-ed
 
2013-10-04 04:07:36 PM  

Rwa2play: Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.

I'll go for 6.  Ann Coulter will pop a vein for it.


So you actually think Coulter believes the things she says?
 
Bf+
2013-10-04 04:07:55 PM  

imontheinternet: BMulligan: Exactly. By the way, that professor was one of the smartest people I've ever met - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law where she was the first woman ever elected Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, clerked for Justice Blackmun, and now sits on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nice as pie, too.

Wow.  That's a helluva resume.



Pfft-- Elitist snob.
 
2013-10-04 04:07:57 PM  

Somacandra: KarmicDisaster: That's why their pay and benefits should be the first thing cut, so that they aren't in such a hurry to cut everyone else's while they have a secure job.

Difficulty: Congressional pay and renumeration cannot be changed for a current Congress. Only for future sessions.


No doubt that is to prevent the many possible abuses, such as voting themselves a huge pay hike and then quitting, or cutting off the funding of some members but not others (like Walker did in Wisconsin), or requiring unusual conditions for some members to be paid such as having to pick it up in person in front of the body (like Walker did in Wisconsin). Still, I'd like to see them suffer too.
 
2013-10-04 04:07:57 PM  

vernonFL: John Boehner is gonna be *DRUNK* tonight!


True. But his Old Gran-Dad won't taste quite as sweet as what Obama will be having.

i47.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-04 04:08:18 PM  

I Said: I hate that "sequester levels" are the new normal that we have to strive towards. Can't change that at all to make it "full farking funding"?


probably not until the dems regain the house in 2015.
 
2013-10-04 04:08:31 PM  

BMulligan: Cork on Fork: BMulligan: my civil procedure prof said "it's better to win on procedure than on the merits."

Your professor sounds lazy and like he didn't care to defend the merits of his cases.

Among the all the myriad ways your comment is wrong, Judge Moore is actually a woman.


I guess I will concede the part about her being a woman. But I would be interested in hearing why you think it is more desirable to win or lose a case on some procedural basis instead of basing a decision on which side has a stronger legal argument.
 
2013-10-04 04:08:53 PM  

nekom: I doubt they would have done this if they didn't think they had the votes.


they've had the votes to pass the clean cr.
Boehner wouldn't let it go to a vote because he's afraid he will be primaried by the tea party.
This way it gets done and Boehner keeps his tri-corner bonafides intact.
 
2013-10-04 04:09:07 PM  

KarmicDisaster: cutting off the funding of some members but not others (like Walker did in Wisconsin)


Huh?
 
2013-10-04 04:10:12 PM  

birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.


Oh that's badass.
 
2013-10-04 04:10:26 PM  

simplicimus: Rwa2play: Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.

I'll go for 6.  Ann Coulter will pop a vein for it.

So you actually think Coulter believes the things she says?


From every credible source I've heard, her TV persona is all an act to sell books to morons.  She plays to their jingoism and paranoia, and she's fleecing the sheep.
 
2013-10-04 04:10:48 PM  

wxboy: parasol: I'd love to be a fly on the wall in cantor's office

You'd only be able to fly with your right wing.


And you'd be on Cantor, not on the wall.

/For obvious reasons.
 
2013-10-04 04:10:53 PM  

mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]


I was behind a cargo van this morning on my commute that had a sticker that read "Pro-God, Pro-Guns, Pro-Life, Anti-Obama". Beautiful.
 
2013-10-04 04:11:19 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.


That's the brilliance of the plan.  Gut the bill, amend it to be a clean CR, put it on the floor.

Everyone actually walks away from it looking good and feeling good except the Tea Party Derper brigade.

and fark them.
 
2013-10-04 04:11:49 PM  

jst3p: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Exactly. By the way, that professor was one of the smartest people I've ever met - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law where she was the first woman ever elected Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, clerked for Justice Blackmun, and now sits on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nice as pie, too.

Wow.  That's a helluva resume.

Is she hot?


You clearly haven't seen this year's Justices of the Sixth Circuit swimsuit calendar.
 
2013-10-04 04:12:20 PM  

Bf+: Weaver95: Bf+: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."

It was probably his idea.

Hell, I'll bet at this point that Cruz is happy there's a way out of the mess he caused that doesn't involve him being murdered by his fellow republicans.

Because we're talking about Republicans, you'll have to pick a different word:
1) Lynched
2) Raped
3) Hitler-ed


Legitmately Hitler-ed?
 
2013-10-04 04:12:43 PM  
Sounds and reads like it will work.  Well alrighty, then........
 
2013-10-04 04:13:37 PM  

Cpl.D: simplicimus: Rwa2play: Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.

I'll go for 6.  Ann Coulter will pop a vein for it.

So you actually think Coulter believes the things she says?

From every credible source I've heard, her TV persona is all an act to sell books to morons.  She plays to their jingoism and paranoia, and she's fleecing the sheep.


Real or not, her man hands are kinda scary
 
2013-10-04 04:13:41 PM  

Cpl.D: simplicimus: Rwa2play: Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.

I'll go for 6.  Ann Coulter will pop a vein for it.

So you actually think Coulter believes the things she says?

From every credible source I've heard, her TV persona is all an act to sell books to morons.  She plays to their jingoism and paranoia, and she's fleecing the sheep.


That's been my impression as well. And also that she's not alone in these activities.
 
2013-10-04 04:13:47 PM  

jst3p: KarmicDisaster: cutting off the funding of some members but not others (like Walker did in Wisconsin)

Huh?


First Walker tried to completely dock the pay of legislators that would not show up to vote. That was found to be illegal, so instead

"[MOTION] That the Chief Clerk provide the paycheck, per diem check, and any expense reimbursement check of any Senator who is absent without leave for 2 or more session days to the Majority Leader for the absent member to pick up in person. Until the Majority Leader authorizes the Chief Clerk to reinstate direct deposit, the Chief Clerk shall suspend the direct deposit of the paycheck of any such Senator and process the Senator's pay as a paper check. The Majority Leader shall provide the checks only to the absent Senator and only on the floor of the Senate during a session day.
"

Things are different at the state level of course, but it shows the type of abuse that the rule is intended to prevent.
 
2013-10-04 04:13:59 PM  

Infernalist: Bf+: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."

It was probably his idea.

That's my general thought.  Or whoever brought it to him pitched it like this:

"John, I know this whole thing has been hard on you.."

"Goddamned Tea Party freaks."

"Right, so here's this bill....Yeah, from March.  Now, remember 2002 when they did the petition against Hastert?"

"Yeah, complete end-run around him, he was...powerless to stop it."

"You see where I'm going with it, then."

"Send this over to Pelosi's office.  Use one of the mail runners, not one of our staffers."


I doubt it. I'm sure both sides have been aware of this for quite some time, because the people who end up in leadership positions in Congress are usually not stupid. Evil maybe, corrupt sure, shortsighted definitely, but not stupid.

The Dems were just waiting for a good moment, letting the shutdown stoke public outrage and ensuring that the blame is mostly fixed on the GOP.
 
2013-10-04 04:14:49 PM  
Wonder how often "would vote for a clean CR" translates to "would vote for a clean CR brought to the floor by Democrats via an end run around house leadership".

/hope the answer is often enough.
 
2013-10-04 04:15:01 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.


still the senate "clean cr" is under what Ryan's original budget proposal was. it's staying at sequester levels.
 
2013-10-04 04:15:36 PM  

jst3p: Rwa2play: You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.

Can you translate this to non-carney?

Heels and faces?

 
2013-10-04 04:15:51 PM  

Muta: UncomfortableSilence: Skarekrough: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Can you see the flames yet?

It's like the worlds biggest tire fire.

Why are they upset?  Isn't is a GOP bill that is being moved forward?


The Freepers are losing it because the bill is being used by libby libs who are using sneaky underhanded procedures.  You know, doing things according to proper parliamentary procedure in order to bypass a rule that has no reason to exist except to ensure the house majority doesn't have to consider opposition plans.
 
2013-10-04 04:15:58 PM  

Somacandra: imontheinternet: Yeah, IIRC, the point of the section was for the government to reject explicitly the assumption of Confederate debt, while guaranteeing that all other debts were still owed.

That was certainly the point at the time, but it is still part of the Supreme Law and may apply to other situations as well.


14th Amendment aside, Obama might be able to avoid a default.

Leaving aside the platinum coin gambit (which doesn't appear to break any laws), if we hit the ceiling, the executive branch will have to break some law; it's impossible to follow them all.

If they don't pay everything, they're breaking entitlement or appropriations law. If they take in extra revenue, they're breaking tax law. And if they borrow more money, they're breaking the debt ceiling law.

The least-bad option there is to just ignore the debt ceiling and hold a technically-illegal debt auction.

Unfortunately he's said he won't do this (or mint the coin). I'd sleep better if that was in Obama's back pocket. Though maybe it is, and he's just keeping the pressure on Congress.
 
2013-10-04 04:16:22 PM  

Ned Stark: Wonder how often "would vote for a clean CR" translates to "would vote for a clean CR brought to the floor by Democrats via an end run around house leadership".

/hope the answer is often enough.


If we make it to the 14th, moderate GOPers will be quietly lining up to sign it.
 
2013-10-04 04:16:38 PM  

mainstreet62: Also, from Freeperville:

[www.freerepublic.com image 600x450]


Takes a genius to declare that our country is great because our country.
 
2013-10-04 04:17:19 PM  

mrshowrules: What is noteworthy about the Freeper comments is a complete lack of optimism.  That is heart warming at least.


I am thinking that they're feeling the same way Saddam Husain felt in Gulf War I after he lined all his troops up against the Kuwait boarder then after sustaining a month of bombing, finding out that the
Coalition offensive will be from somewhere 200 miles to the west in Saudi Arabia.  Like Husain, the Teabaggers are out gunned and out maneuvered.
 
2013-10-04 04:17:26 PM  

jst3p: Corvus: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".

I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.

Yeah there is this gem too:

The dems used some back handed trick to pass Obama care... IIRC L ouise slaughter of NY brain washed some procedure and got it to the senate and back and called it okay to do... and it was passed, by all democrats


Apparently a simple majority vote is now a backhanded trick.


You are a brave one.  I only hope you did not post, as logic summons the dread whargarbl from its black domain.  A creature far fouler than the derps and herps that float on the surface.
 
2013-10-04 04:17:31 PM  

qorkfiend: Infernalist: Bf+: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."

It was probably his idea.

That's my general thought.  Or whoever brought it to him pitched it like this:

"John, I know this whole thing has been hard on you.."

"Goddamned Tea Party freaks."

"Right, so here's this bill....Yeah, from March.  Now, remember 2002 when they did the petition against Hastert?"

"Yeah, complete end-run around him, he was...powerless to stop it."

"You see where I'm going with it, then."

"Send this over to Pelosi's office.  Use one of the mail runners, not one of our staffers."

I doubt it. I'm sure both sides have been aware of this for quite some time, because the people who end up in leadership positions in Congress are usually not stupid. Evil maybe, corrupt sure, shortsighted definitely, but not stupid.

The Dems were just waiting for a good moment, letting the shutdown stoke public outrage and ensuring that the blame is mostly fixed on the GOP.


The Republicans are still pushing the bullshiat despite the public turning against them.  They won't stop.
 
2013-10-04 04:17:35 PM  

Carn: Cpl.D: simplicimus: Rwa2play: Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.

I'll go for 6.  Ann Coulter will pop a vein for it.

So you actually think Coulter believes the things she says?

From every credible source I've heard, her TV persona is all an act to sell books to morons.  She plays to their jingoism and paranoia, and she's fleecing the sheep.

Real or not, her man hands are kinda scary


I call 'em freak hands.  And I do like my freaks.  Though whenever you date the freaks, you have to be aware that there's a line separating the freaks from the psychos, and you can't always see that line too well.

/had a knife put to my throat once
//stupid line
 
2013-10-04 04:17:57 PM  
Dying to find out how this turns out.
 
2013-10-04 04:18:57 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.


Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.
 
2013-10-04 04:19:52 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers.  I did my best."

Yes, that's pretty disappointing. I'm hoping that they get the government open ASAP, but I really would like to see Boehner fry some more over this clusterfark.


Does anyone really think that the Tea Party will accept "I did my best" If this passes Boehner gets primaried hard.
 
2013-10-04 04:19:53 PM  

jst3p: imontheinternet: BMulligan: Exactly. By the way, that professor was one of the smartest people I've ever met - graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law where she was the first woman ever elected Editor-in-Chief of the Law Review, clerked for Justice Blackmun, and now sits on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nice as pie, too.

Wow.  That's a helluva resume.

Is she hot?


Sadly, no. Think of the Widow Hen from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons.

Cork on Fork: I would be interested in hearing why you think it is more desirable to win or lose a case on some procedural basis instead of basing a decision on which side has a stronger legal argument.


A procedural argument is a legal argument, and often a very difficult and technical one. I know I practice in a jurisdiction with extremely persnickety service-of-process rules; if I fail to follow those strictly and exactly I should expect to have my ass handed to me.
 
2013-10-04 04:19:54 PM  
Why assume this was Boehners idea? The guy is a political coward who doesn't care about hurting america. I severely doubt he had any hand in this and will act all outraged right along the rest of the derp squad.

Put simply Boehner is the worst speaker we've ever had, I can't imagine a real solution could come from him at all.
 
2013-10-04 04:20:01 PM  

Witty_Retort: jst3p: Rwa2play: You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.

Can you translate this to non-carney?

Heels and faces?


Thank you, that is a fascinating page. I want to learn all those terms and create an alt that only speaks in "wrestling"

"Heel face turn"
"Moral event horizon"
"X-pac heat"

Man that would be so fun.
 
2013-10-04 04:20:03 PM  

meat0918: qorkfiend: Infernalist: Bf+: Infernalist: This allows Boehner to throw up his hands and go "Sorry, petition rules and all that, I can't stop them from passing a clean CR, Tea Derpers. I did my best."

It was probably his idea.

That's my general thought.  Or whoever brought it to him pitched it like this:

"John, I know this whole thing has been hard on you.."

"Goddamned Tea Party freaks."

"Right, so here's this bill....Yeah, from March.  Now, remember 2002 when they did the petition against Hastert?"

"Yeah, complete end-run around him, he was...powerless to stop it."

"You see where I'm going with it, then."

"Send this over to Pelosi's office.  Use one of the mail runners, not one of our staffers."

I doubt it. I'm sure both sides have been aware of this for quite some time, because the people who end up in leadership positions in Congress are usually not stupid. Evil maybe, corrupt sure, shortsighted definitely, but not stupid.

The Dems were just waiting for a good moment, letting the shutdown stoke public outrage and ensuring that the blame is mostly fixed on the GOP.

The Republicans are still pushing the bullshiat despite the public turning against them.  They won't stop.


Sure. But they're feeling a lot more heat from their constituents, polls, and the media now than they were on Tuesday. And, the Democrats only need 18 of them to break ranks.
 
2013-10-04 04:20:25 PM  
meat0918:

The Republicans are still pushing the bullshiat despite the public turning against them.  They won't stop.

If Only they were More Conservative, things would go their way. I'm not counting on this working however; logic and rules against pure gibbering insanity.
 
2013-10-04 04:20:35 PM  

DamnYankees: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

It's not that much, I don't think. 120 days until it kicks in, thence 1% every three months.

Oh, I read it wrong. Ok, 4% per year then. Still not good.


Update to the article says the dems will bring his bill up and then amend it to remove the 1% before voting on it....even better
 
2013-10-04 04:22:48 PM  

jst3p: Witty_Retort: jst3p: Rwa2play: You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.

Can you translate this to non-carney?

Heels and faces?

Thank you, that is a fascinating page. I want to learn all those terms and create an alt that only speaks in "wrestling"

"Heel face turn"
"Moral event horizon"
"X-pac heat"

Man that would be so fun.


You've never seen TVTropes before?
I'm sorry that you are about to lose hours of your life clicking through that site.
 
2013-10-04 04:23:56 PM  

Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.


my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures
 
2013-10-04 04:24:46 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Things are different at the state level of course, but it shows the type of abuse that the rule is intended to prevent.


I think I remember the Dem minority leader giving an aid the power-of-attorney to fetch his paycheck for him when that was pushed through.  Also, at one point I think the GOPers tried to get away with giving the Sargent-at-Arms Batman-like powers to go across state lines and arrest Dems who refused to come back.
 
2013-10-04 04:25:07 PM  

Cpl.D: Carn: Cpl.D: simplicimus: Rwa2play: Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.

I'll go for 6.  Ann Coulter will pop a vein for it.

So you actually think Coulter believes the things she says?

From every credible source I've heard, her TV persona is all an act to sell books to morons.  She plays to their jingoism and paranoia, and she's fleecing the sheep.

Real or not, her man hands are kinda scary

I call 'em freak hands.  And I do like my freaks.  Though whenever you date the freaks, you have to be aware that there's a line separating the freaks from the psychos, and you can't always see that line too well.

/had a knife put to my throat once
//stupid line


You are far braver than I, I'll stay over here <-------------------------    | freakish hands
 
2013-10-04 04:25:32 PM  
They still need to get the signatures of some Republicans to go against their own speaker.

Ain't gonna happen.
 
2013-10-04 04:25:50 PM  

Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures


I will venture a guess:

"Because it has to pass the senate and be not vetoed by Obama"?
 
2013-10-04 04:26:35 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

Yeah that's not good, but I wonder what level it kicks in at. What's the number for the CR under this discharge petition? Sequester levels?

Yeah, sequester levels.  It does give 120 days before a reduction, and at only 1% every 90 days after that, there should be plenty of time to pass a new budget, but I have my doubts the House would support anything.

However, once we're clear of the shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis, we can at least go back to good old-fashioned negotiation when it comes to the budget numbers and appropriations.  The Democrats haven't said they're unwilling to negotiate, they're just unwilling to negotiate with their backs against the wall regarding the shutdown or the debt ceiling.


Not only No, but FARK NO. They will let this 1% crap fester for the next 3 years, and IT WILL BECOME THE STANDARD, much the same as the sequester amount has become the baseline.

There they go again, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

\goddamnit
 
2013-10-04 04:26:44 PM  

Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures


The petition can only be amended by the sponsors, the two Democrats that are sponsoring it as a petition instead of a normal bill.

This means, they get a chance to amend it and then it's put to the floor for a vote.  No chance to change it or amend it again by either side.
 
2013-10-04 04:26:51 PM  

Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures


They would have to begin the same process, and they'd need a majority of signatures to do it. Since a majority of signatures would have already been collected in favor of doing the opposite, it seems pretty unlikely the repubs could pull that off, unless some people signed both petitions.
 
2013-10-04 04:27:26 PM  
i1222.photobucket.com


Hahahahahaha!
 
2013-10-04 04:27:26 PM  

qorkfiend: kasmel: Or they could have introduced a new legislative rule that allows a minority leader to call for an up or down vote for bringing a Senate passed bill to the floor. that would only take 7 days.

Except that rule would have to be advanced by the Republican-dominated Rules Committee.


They wouldn't have to advance it, simply agree that it constitutes a rule. The signatures are what advances it...I believe.
 
2013-10-04 04:27:40 PM  
The teabaggers will go nuts.
 
2013-10-04 04:28:16 PM  

CheapEngineer: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

Yeah that's not good, but I wonder what level it kicks in at. What's the number for the CR under this discharge petition? Sequester levels?

Yeah, sequester levels.  It does give 120 days before a reduction, and at only 1% every 90 days after that, there should be plenty of time to pass a new budget, but I have my doubts the House would support anything.

However, once we're clear of the shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis, we can at least go back to good old-fashioned negotiation when it comes to the budget numbers and appropriations.  The Democrats haven't said they're unwilling to negotiate, they're just unwilling to negotiate with their backs against the wall regarding the shutdown or the debt ceiling.

Not only No, but FARK NO. They will let this 1% crap fester for the next 3 years, and IT WILL BECOME THE STANDARD, much the same as the sequester amount has become the baseline.

There they go again, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

\goddamnit


Keep up.  They're going to strip that '1%' bullshiat and turn it into a plan and simple Clean CR after they get 218 signatures.
 
2013-10-04 04:28:20 PM  

jst3p: Witty_Retort: jst3p: Rwa2play: You know, sometimes wrestling is an actual reflection of reality:  The heels (RWers) are angry that the faces (Democrats) are using heel tactics against them.  Too damn funny.

Can you translate this to non-carney?

Heels and faces?

Thank you, that is a fascinating page. I want to learn all those terms and create an alt that only speaks in "wrestling"

"Heel face turn"
"Moral event horizon"
"X-pac heat"

Man that would be so fun.


You should watch the Monday Night Raw threads in the Sports section. XD
 
2013-10-04 04:28:38 PM  

Metalupis: my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures


Republicans wouldn't need to use the procedure, because they hold the majority. It would be weird though for the eighteen defectors to defect again and try to change the bill they just passed, but nothing would surprise me at this point. But since the House is the only thing Republicans control, their bill would just end up on the pile alongside their forty-some Obamacare repeals, personhood amendments, defunding ACORN again bills, etc.
 
2013-10-04 04:28:44 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: KarmicDisaster: Things are different at the state level of course, but it shows the type of abuse that the rule is intended to prevent.

I think I remember the Dem minority leader giving an aid the power-of-attorney to fetch his paycheck for him when that was pushed through.  Also, at one point I think the GOPers tried to get away with giving the Sargent-at-Arms Batman-like powers to go across state lines and arrest Dems who refused to come back.


Yes, they did, and Walker also authorized troopers to go to the legislators houses at 4am and try to arrest them there. Pairs of troopers, one to watch the other and report to make sure that they actually went.
 
2013-10-04 04:29:04 PM  

jst3p: Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures

I will venture a guess:

"Because it has to pass the senate and be not vetoed by Obama"?


I guess the question is, Do the ultra conservative crazies have enough votes to get the amendment added in to continue this ridiculous shut down even longer and if they have the votes, do they have the will to do something that will clearly label themselves as the cause of all this
 
2013-10-04 04:29:06 PM  

kasmel: qorkfiend: kasmel: Or they could have introduced a new legislative rule that allows a minority leader to call for an up or down vote for bringing a Senate passed bill to the floor. that would only take 7 days.

Except that rule would have to be advanced by the Republican-dominated Rules Committee.

They wouldn't have to advance it, simply agree that it constitutes a rule. The signatures are what advances it...I believe.


I still don't see the Republican-dominated Rules Committee doing such a thing.
 
2013-10-04 04:29:40 PM  

Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


The key here is that there are enough Republicans who want to vote for a clean CR that if it's put up to a vote it'll pass. But normally the Speaker of the House (Boehner) has discretion on what to bring up, and he's following the 'Hastert Rule' which says he won't bring to a vote any bill that isn't supported by the majority of the majority (i.e., if a bill has 49% GOP support and 100% Democrat support, it wouldn't ever be put to a vote). This gets around Boehner's discretionary privileges and forces the bill to the floor regardless of the Hastert Rule.
 
2013-10-04 04:30:28 PM  

Bucky Katt: The teabaggers will go nuts.


As opposed to their current state of mental health?
 
2013-10-04 04:30:30 PM  

Infernalist: Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?


/really can't keep up with all the rules and procedures

The petition can only be amended by the sponsors, the two Democrats that are sponsoring it as a petition instead of a normal bill.

This means, they get a chance to amend it and then it's put to the floor for a vote.  No chance to change it or amend it again by either side.


ok, that makes sense, thanks
 
2013-10-04 04:31:02 PM  

Bucky Katt: The teabaggers will go nuts.


Go?
 
2013-10-04 04:31:40 PM  

CheapEngineer: Not only No, but FARK NO. They will let this 1% crap fester for the next 3 years, and IT WILL BECOME THE STANDARD, much the same as the sequester amount has become the baseline.


psst.

Check the section at the bottom of TFA that is next to UPDATE:
 
2013-10-04 04:31:45 PM  

Bucky Katt: The teabaggers will go nuts.


How will we be able to tell?
 
2013-10-04 04:32:15 PM  
I like that the endgame they had planned is having the democrats look even better then they already did.
 
2013-10-04 04:33:01 PM  

naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?


ewwww

+1
 
2013-10-04 04:34:18 PM  

lockers: I like that the endgame they had planned is having the democrats look even better then they already did.


The sad part is the teabaggers think they won. What they won, I have no idea. This will be epic if it passes. Not only will the government open again, the teabaggers will start eating their own.
 
2013-10-04 04:34:26 PM  

BMulligan: if I fail to follow those strictly and exactly I should expect to have my ass handed to me.


You should, yes. But not necessarily your client. The parties deserve to have their claims decided, and that should be what everyone wants. Lawyers should not be glad if the other side blows a filing deadline or screws up service. All that means is that someone with a legitimate complaint lost their chance to have a day in court.

(Criminal law here, so procedural rules will usually lose out to the interest in having issues resolved. But I know civil law is much less flexible)
 
2013-10-04 04:34:48 PM  

Infernalist: The petition can only be amended by the sponsors, the two Democrats that are sponsoring it as a petition instead of a normal bill.

This means, they get a chance to amend it and then it's put to the floor for a vote. No chance to change it or amend it again by either side.


touche
 
2013-10-04 04:35:35 PM  

lockers: I like that the endgame they had planned is having the democrats look even better then they already did.


There was no endgame. There are articles from the spring saying that the Rs were planning this, even though they had no idea what they wanted. They just knew that they wanted a shutdown and to extort something from the Ds.
 
2013-10-04 04:35:39 PM  

Bucky Katt: naughtyrev: So what you're saying is, the House is going to force Boehner to discharge?

ewwww

+1


Headline: Government Funding Comes Clean as Boehner Suffers Painful Discharge
 
2013-10-04 04:36:34 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: the teabaggers will start eating their own.


start?
 
2013-10-04 04:38:33 PM  

Null Pointer: TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.

To be fair they are looking out for their jobs. They know if the break ranks it will probably cost them their job by getting primaried by the teabaggers next year.


1. They're not doing their jobs. They're just dicking around yet still drawing a check from Uncle Sam. Just like they accuse these alleged "Welfare Queens" of doing.

2. Fine! Let them be replaced by some frothing madman from the Tea Party. The more buttholes in the gop the faster it'll sink into the swamp.
 
2013-10-04 04:40:08 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Null Pointer: TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.

To be fair they are looking out for their jobs. They know if the break ranks it will probably cost them their job by getting primaried by the teabaggers next year.

1. They're not doing their jobs. They're just dicking around yet still drawing a check from Uncle Sam. Just like they accuse these alleged "Welfare Queens" of doing.

2. Fine! Let them be replaced by some frothing madman from the Tea Party. The more buttholes in the gop the faster it'll sink into the swamp.


The problem is that the GOP went too far with the derp, and now they are having a real impact on the country.
 
2013-10-04 04:40:14 PM  

jst3p: jst3p: birdmanesq: birchman: The Freepers are NOT going to be happy about this.

Oh, please tell me what they are saying about this. Stay strong. Bring back quotes.

Any democrat who broke ranks would be shot. It's how the communists roll.


Yup, typical liberal strategy.
They know their logic is a joke.
Along with their intellect.
So, the only solution in to make sure that weak minded bimbos and bimboys get into congress, and then cheat, cheat, cheat.
Won't last much longer, libs. The last straw is coming, and then you will "live in interesting times".


If there is a loophole, a trick, a backdoor or an underhanded tactic you can bet the democrats will use it.
It's what they do best.
If democrats have a choice of winning fairly or winning by cheating they will pick cheating every time.


CheapEngineer: TuteTibiImperes: DamnYankees: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

Yeah that's not good, but I wonder what level it kicks in at. What's the number for the CR under this discharge petition? Sequester levels?

Yeah, sequester levels.  It does give 120 days before a reduction, and at only 1% every 90 days after that, there should be plenty of time to pass a new budget, but I have my doubts the House would support anything.

However, once we're clear of the shutdown and the debt ceiling crisis, we can at least go back to good old-fashioned negotiation when it comes to the budget numbers and appropriations.  The Democrats haven't said they're unwilling to negotiate, they're just unwilling to negotiate with their backs against the wall regarding the shutdown or the debt ceiling.

Not only No, but FARK NO. They will let this 1% crap fester for the next 3 years, and IT WILL BECOME THE STANDARD, much the same as the sequester amount has become the baseline.

There they go again, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

\goddamnit


Relax, there's a procedural move that let's them get rid of the 1% tomfoolery.
 
2013-10-04 04:42:24 PM  

Infernalist: TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.

Not all of them.  Some of them tried to lauch a coup and force a vote on a clean CR on the eve of the shutdown.  Peter King and about 13 others.



Truly terrifying times we live in when Pete King is seen as the voice of reason.

I really do not see why Cruz hasn't been officially censured yet. He caused a crapstorm and admitted that he had no solution planned. In fact, it seems that he doesn't want to see America get better. We've launched Predator drone strikes on terrorists who have done less damage.
 
2013-10-04 04:43:53 PM  

DamnYankees: Nadie_AZ: I was ok with this until I read:

After the first 120 days, auto-CR funding would be reduced by one percentage point and would continue to be reduced by that margin every 90 days.

Isn't this what the GOP wants? Can the amend this? Else we will have the incredible shrinking government. And while some think that is the awesomest of awesome, others realize we have a growing population and a growing elderly population.

Yeah that's not good, but I wonder what level it kicks in at. What's the number for the CR under this discharge petition? Sequester levels?


FTFA
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.
 
2013-10-04 04:45:25 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Infernalist: TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Now that's fascinating. Force the moderate GOPers to vote for it.

The extreme cowardice of the non-TB republicans is disgusting! They're rather see America burn to the ground than risk seeing themselves getting primaried by the Teahadists.

Not all of them.  Some of them tried to lauch a coup and force a vote on a clean CR on the eve of the shutdown.  Peter King and about 13 others.


Truly terrifying times we live in when Pete King is seen as the voice of reason.

I really do not see why Cruz hasn't been officially censured yet. He caused a crapstorm and admitted that he had no solution planned. In fact, it seems that he doesn't want to see America get better. We've launched Predator drone strikes on terrorists who have done less damage.


Can he actually be censured under current congressional rules? I am unsure of anything that he has done would rise up to something officially on the books.
 
2013-10-04 04:46:03 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: DamnYankees: The more I think about this, the less I like it. If the GOP just sits on its hands, discretionary spending will drop 12% per year. That's insane.

It will hit their pork as hard as anyone's.  They WILL squeal, even louder than they did last time.


Go on....
 
2013-10-04 04:47:30 PM  
This is an awesome thread, I've learned more about Congressional procedure than I ever planned to.  Good stuff!

/popcorn
 
2013-10-04 04:50:10 PM  

Cork on Fork: BMulligan: if I fail to follow those strictly and exactly I should expect to have my ass handed to me.

You should, yes. But not necessarily your client. The parties deserve to have their claims decided, and that should be what everyone wants. Lawyers should not be glad if the other side blows a filing deadline or screws up service. All that means is that someone with a legitimate complaint lost their chance to have a day in court.

(Criminal law here, so procedural rules will usually lose out to the interest in having issues resolved. But I know civil law is much less flexible)


That was more or less my argument before the Court of Appeals (I handled the appeal and the subsequent petition for discretionary review in the state Supreme Court for free). It turned out just about as well as I expected it would. Actually, I did have one substantive argument available - ironically a procedural one, regarding a pleading entered in the trial court in which both attorneys were required to represent that all parties had been served or waived service, but neither the Court of Appeals not the Washington state Supreme Court found it compelling.

And of course, the client did have a remedy available - she could have sued me for malpractice. Even though the situation was frustrating and embarrassing, I couldn't blame opposing counsel. She was simply doing her job, and she did it well. She waited until the statute had run before she filed her motion, and she won. That's how the game is played, and I knew it all along. Civil litigation is not for the faint of heart. That's why I don't do it anymore.
 
2013-10-04 04:50:24 PM  

SenorBenedict: Put simply Boehner Pelosi is the worst speaker we've ever had, I can't imagine a real solution could come from him her at all.


FTFY

Do hope, though, that this legal technique works and that a clean CR is negotiated quickly. Prefer govt. to be open rather than closed......
 
2013-10-04 04:50:53 PM  
No matter what, it's temporary. We'll be doing this again in 6 weeks or whenever the CR is up. And before that, when we hit the debt ceiling. Although I hope they amend the bill to include raising the debt ceiling too so at least we'll get a break from Tea Bag hostage tactics a little longer and they'll have to wait a little longer to destroy the economy
 
2013-10-04 04:51:36 PM  

RangerTaylor: This is an awesome thread, I've learned more about Congressional procedure than I ever planned to.  Good stuff!

/popcorn


Most people never really read the rules to the games they play. I recently had my mind blown by the fact that I've been playing monopoly wrong my entire life.
 
2013-10-04 04:51:46 PM  

parasol: DamnYankees: Infernalist: This is a brilliant maneuver, whoever thought it up.

Boehner will tell his GOPers to figure out who's in the safest districts that still listen to him and have them vote 'Yes' on the clean CR.

Boehner will make all kinds of loud and angry noises about being circumvented and then shrug his shoulders helplessly at the TP as the CR passes.  "Sorry, I tried!"

The problem for the GOP on this is that they have based their entire policy worldview around the ability of them to control the CR and the debt ceiling is leverage points to get concessions. If they lose control of that, then they literally have nothing. They have absolutely no way of getting policy to move towards them. They have a majority with 0 ways to use it.

What does it profit a man that he gain the world yet lose his soul?


Several million dollars working for a lobbying firm.
 
2013-10-04 04:51:49 PM  
Just cannot wait to see this pan-out!
 
2013-10-04 04:54:37 PM  
This would enshrine the midterms with a simple message: The GOP forced a wildly unpopular government shutdown, and the Dems put an end to it.
 
2013-10-04 04:55:32 PM  

lantawa: SenorBenedict: Put simply Boehner Pelosi is the worst speaker we've ever had, I can't imagine a real solution could come from him her at all.

FTFY

Do hope, though, that this legal technique works and that a clean CR is negotiated quickly. Prefer govt. to be open rather than closed......


Pelosi never ignored everything while the government shut down. Pelosi never kept a vote from happening because she knew the Democrats would pass it.

Yeah, Boehner is the worst Speaker.
 
2013-10-04 04:57:03 PM  

SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.


But then all of the republicans the sign the petition get primaried and replaced with derp, possibly allowing democrats to retake the house in 2014.

If the petition or vote fails then all representative's votes on a clean CR are on record for the next election.
 
2013-10-04 04:57:47 PM  

sprawl15: Metalupis: Crocodilly_Pontifex: Shrugging Atlas: birchman: ********************************************************
UPDATE: One slight clarification. If Dems can get the 218 signatures on the discharge petition, then Dems would use a procedural move to replace the Lankford bill with an amendment: A clean CR, just like the one in the Senate. So this would not enshrine the periodic one-percent reductions in spending in the Lankford measure.

Oh that's badass.

Indeed. Hooooooooly shiat.

my only question is that if the Dems can gut and replace with a clean CR, can't the Repubs do the same with a defunding amendment as well?

The key here is that there are enough Republicans who want to vote for a clean CR that if it's put up to a vote it'll pass. But normally the Speaker of the House (Boehner) has discretion on what to bring up, and he's following the 'Hastert Rule' which says he won't bring to a vote any bill that isn't supported by the majority of the majority (i.e., if a bill has 49% GOP support and 100% Democrat support, it wouldn't ever be put to a vote). This gets around Boehner's discretionary privileges and forces the bill to the floor regardless of the Hastert Rule.


In addition, this procedure can only be done during a full moon or a new moon.

Once the requisite number of members (one third until 1935, and a statutory majority
thereafter) has signed a petition, the motion is placed on the Discharge Calendar, which
according to House rules is privileged business on the second and fourth Mondays of the
month (but not during the last six days of a session, or before sine die adjournment).(PDF)
 
2013-10-04 04:58:01 PM  

RangerTaylor: This is an awesome thread, I've learned more about Congressional procedure than I ever planned to.  Good stuff!

/popcorn


Now, would you like to see how sausage is made?
 
2013-10-04 05:00:26 PM  

Cpl.D: We need to start a fark pool.  Number of hours before fatal aneurysm by political pundit?

Put me down for 18.


Put me down for : "Alcohol induced coma in 36hrs or less."
 
2013-10-04 05:00:28 PM  

Corvus: I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.


I think most of this backlash is a 'dumb-motherfarker' thing and not a Republican thing. Although I know the news can make it confusing.
 
2013-10-04 05:01:33 PM  

solyhhit: Corvus: I love how a majority in the house voting for something is considered "cheating" by right wingers.

I think most of this backlash is a 'dumb-motherfarker' thing and not a Republican thing. Although I know the news can make it confusing.


Most of the dumb mofos are republicans, so there's guilt by association.
 
2013-10-04 05:02:24 PM  

solyhhit: I think most of this backlash is a 'dumb-motherfarker' thing and not a Republican thing.


You said 'Republican thing' twice.
 
2013-10-04 05:03:58 PM  

Witty_Retort: lockers: I like that the endgame they had planned is having the democrats look even better then they already did.

There was no endgame. There are articles from the spring saying that the Rs were planning this, even though they had no idea what they wanted. They just knew that they wanted a shutdown and to extort something from the Ds.


The problem is that the Republican Party platform is essentially incoherent. The thing with national parks is a great example. They refuse to pay for the national parks to operate, then berate Park employees for not having the money to operate the parks. They rail against "pork-barrel" projects and successfully ban earmarks, then wonder why their roads are falling apart, their bridges left unrepaired, and their dams are leaking. They've taken "pro-business" and "the government is the problem" so far that they're actually hurting US commerce with how much vital yet unprofitable work they've prevented the Federal government from doing, and refuse to pay for themselves at the State level. I sort of feel like the president should just start giving a televised speech every week where he open an Econ 101 book up and starts reading the chapter on "Public Goods".
 
2013-10-04 05:04:27 PM  
The GOP master plan looks like this...
1) Shut down government
2) ?
3) ?

All effort went into step 1.
To gain support, individual members were encouraged to just fill in steps 2 and 3 themselves.
Like:

1) Shut down government
2) gain respect
3) get something

1) Shut down government
2) useful puppet
3) Speaker for life!

1) Shut down government
2) take credit
3) First Canadian US President!

1) Shut down government
2) repeal Obamacare
3) Grateful masses, now able to sign up for "get sick and die" program, reelect me for life.

1) Shut down government
2) retreat to heavily stocked bunker with Gold supplies
3) Emerge in 2 years and rule the world

1) Shut down government
2) Punish everyone
3) PUNISH PUNISH THEY WILL ALL BE SORRY

1) Shut down government
2) Please insane Tea Party
3) Don't get primaried and get Koch bucks
 1) Shut down government

2) Get attention
3) Bask

1) Shut down government
2) Grateful masses
3) Last Black President
 
2013-10-04 05:05:06 PM  
Has this actually started, or is this just water-cooler chatter about what might be possible?

Can they actually get that many GOP members to break ranks? My understanding is that there's been a bunch of attempts to put amendments on existing legislation, which would require a simple majority vote to override Boehner tabling them, and effectively push the CR through the House.

I don't think that if the GOP won't go for that, that we'll see enough votes to go for this.
 
2013-10-04 05:06:31 PM  

SenorBenedict: Why assume this was Boehners idea? The guy is a political coward who doesn't care about hurting america. I severely doubt he had any hand in this and will act all outraged right along the rest of the derp squad.

Put simply Boehner is the worst speaker we've ever had, I can't imagine a real solution could come from him at all.


Agreed. All he cares about is being Speaker, and actually doing anything with that position which might risk him losing it is the last thing on his mind. Then again, what the hell did anyone expect from a man who handed out Tobacco company bribes on the House floor? Rather than being Speaker, the man should have spent the last 20 years in federal prison for official corruption.
 
2013-10-04 05:08:39 PM  

Infernalist: Skarekrough: Muta: Skarekrough: If this works you're going to see Derp go to unprecedented levels, you know this, right?

Has this news hit Freep yet?

Can you see the flames yet?

They're raging so hard, my window tabs open to freepland are closing themselves spontaneously.


Jebus. I thought I'd wander over there and take a looksee.. That's the ugliest page I've seen in quite some time. Needs more dancing balogna though.
 
2013-10-04 05:08:48 PM  

Cyclometh: Has this actually started, or is this just water-cooler chatter about what might be possible?


This is the only relevant comment to this article.
 
2013-10-04 05:09:44 PM  
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2013-10-04 05:10:19 PM  

quantum_csc: SilentStrider: No. Force Boehner to do it.
If the Democrats do it, Boehner saves face with both the tea party and the moderates.

But then all of the republicans the sign the petition get primaried and replaced with derp, possibly allowing democrats to retake the house in 2014.

If the petition or vote fails then all representative's votes on a clean CR are on record for the next election.


The House is so gerrymandered that any thought of Democrats taking it back is almost amusing. Republicans refuse to stand up to the TP because the vast majority know the only election they face is the primary. This isn't changing until 2020
 
2013-10-04 05:10:41 PM  

KarmicDisaster: 1) Shut down government
2) take credit
3) First Canadian US President!


hahah, oh man... love it.

Vote Soly 20... whatever. Just vote the next time!

Free maple syrup for all!!!
I promise to deport Beiber to Russia!
 
2013-10-04 05:11:22 PM  

jst3p: birdmanesq: [i106.photobucket.com image 626x323]

Curious, does anyone know what a "ping list" is in freeper town? I see it mentioned a lot.


It's a little dated these days, but back in the days of communication by email and I'M, a ping list was a list of people to 'ping' (email or I'M) when something needed attention ASAP. In other words, a contact ASAP list.
 
2013-10-04 05:15:56 PM  
I just watched Boehner and his stupid face give his speech today. Man, he'll never get it, will he? "We just want to sit down and talk". How about you stand up and bring the clean CR to a vote instead? I wish I was standing in that room, I would have been tempted to walk up to the podium and punch him right in the face. I can't wait to see him get his comeuppance when everything is said and done. Roast him over the fire and keep him out of Congress a