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(The Raw Story)   Texas mayor: After that fertilizer plant exploded and flattened my town, my feelings have changed about government aid   (rawstory.com) divider line 77
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DAR [TotalFark]
2013-10-04 12:23:19 PM
Funny how tragic events will re-shape our view of the world.........k/dar
 
2013-10-04 12:28:18 PM
Governments only true purpose is to benefit me personally.
 
2013-10-04 12:31:35 PM
Funny that...
 
2013-10-04 12:32:56 PM
"I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's an oxymoron."


If only there were something we could all pay into that would help that middle-class Joe when they need a little help.
 
2013-10-04 12:35:48 PM
Almost there MR. Mayor,  almost there, now all you need is a tough of something we call empathy to realize your situation is not unique, and that maybe just maybe it's a legitimate function of government to provide a way to catch those who fall....let's call it a metaphorical..uuhhh. "safety net" if you will
 
2013-10-04 12:36:58 PM
This would be the 'government for the people' part.
 
2013-10-04 12:46:40 PM
"UH UH! NO WAY! THIS IS YOUR DISHWASHING LIQUID! YOU SOAK IN IT!"
 
2013-10-04 12:46:51 PM
"I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's an oxymoron."

Maybe this explosion wasn't big enough.
 
2013-10-04 12:47:21 PM
How do you feel about government safety regulations though?
 
2013-10-04 12:47:34 PM
Federal and state agencies have provided the town with funds to rebuild the roads, schools and public buildings that were flattened

hopefully we can fix these unduly flattened roads
 
2013-10-04 12:47:51 PM
How about zoning laws and regulations on the storage of hazardous materials?
 
2013-10-04 12:48:34 PM
I wonder if it changed his attitude on zoning and regulation too?
 
2013-10-04 12:49:54 PM

EyeballKid: "UH UH! NO WAY! THIS IS YOUR DISHWASHING LIQUID! YOU SOAK IN IT!"


Thanks, Gypsy.
 
2013-10-04 12:50:42 PM
Sadly, a city fire department is still too much government for West.
 
2013-10-04 12:50:56 PM
i301.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-04 12:51:50 PM
Why not just sue the pants off the company? That seems to be the Free Markettm solution to punishing negligence.
 
2013-10-04 12:52:09 PM
God dammit, people are like little children.  Tell them "no" and they hate you.  Give them a piece of candy 5 minutes later and they love you.
 
2013-10-04 12:52:52 PM

tallguywithglasseson: "I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's an oxymoron."

Maybe this explosion wasn't big enough.


Many people are just fine being left alone when things are going well and then run to mama the first time a skinned knee happens. What is tragic is that it takes tragedy to get people to wake up. Regulation by gravestone, I've head it called.
 
2013-10-04 12:52:59 PM
Kind of like lawyers, no one likes them until they need one.

/then you want the biggest dorsal fin you can find
 
2013-10-04 12:53:30 PM

Jackpot777: [i301.photobucket.com image 743x1128]


While I don't necessarily disagree with the content, this is a picture of mostly text. Lots of it.
And for that, you should feel bad.
 
2013-10-04 12:53:42 PM

Yakk: How about zoning laws and regulations on the storage of hazardous materials?


Quit using this false narrative to try and make the town look bad.  The plant was blatantly lying as to what they were storing.  If the plant only had the chemicals they were reporting at worse the school would have smelled like cat piss
 
2013-10-04 12:55:13 PM

Magorn: Almost there MR. Mayor,  almost there, now all you need is a tough of something we call empathy to realize your situation is not unique, and that maybe just maybe it's a legitimate function of government to provide a way to catch those who fall....let's call it a metaphorical..uuhhh. "safety net" if you will


He has plenty of empathy, can't you see how sorry he feel for himself that he has to reconcile his *feelings* with reality.
 
2013-10-04 12:55:21 PM
This is a pretty typical conservative worldview. All government programs are bad, except for the ones that benefit me directly. Oh, and those programs are NEVER to be described as entitlements or welfare. I don't collect welfare! Do I look like an inner-city black woman to you?? I just collect disability, unemployment, medicaid, food stamps and rent assistance. I'm no damn welfare queen!
 
2013-10-04 12:57:46 PM
"Nearly half of the households affected by the West explosion were uninsured or underinsured".

I hate paying my insurance as much as the next guy, but nearly half didn't have enough (or any) insurance?

/had a huge FEMA claim two years ago (August-September 2011 storms)
//that nearly $5K a year in premiums for coverage doesn't seem so bad now
 
2013-10-04 12:59:27 PM
newsbusters.org
 
2013-10-04 01:00:25 PM
Why allowing the federal government to act as "insurer of last resort" is controversial is beyond me. There are events large enough to rule out private insurers covering everything.
 
2013-10-04 01:01:21 PM
Letting facts and experiences influence your decision-making? Clearly he's not a True Conservative.
 
2013-10-04 01:02:46 PM
"I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's I'm a n oxymoron."

That's more like it.
 
2013-10-04 01:04:28 PM

ShadowKamui: Yakk: How about zoning laws and regulations on the storage of hazardous materials?

Quit using this false narrative to try and make the town look bad.  The plant was blatantly lying as to what they were storing.  If the plant only had the chemicals they were reporting at worse the school would have smelled like cat piss


According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dallas_Morning_News">The Dallas Morning News, Texas law allows fertilizer storage facilities to operate without any liability insurance at all, even when they store hazardous materials
 
2013-10-04 01:08:05 PM

justtray: According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dallas_Morning_News">The Dallas Morning News, Texas law allows fertilizer storage facilities to operate without any liability insurance at all, even when they store hazardous materials


I know where I'm moving my fertilizer storage facility.
 
2013-10-04 01:08:15 PM

tallguywithglasseson: "I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's an oxymoron."

Maybe this explosion wasn't big enough.


Equal parts smart and funny. Bravo!   :)
 
2013-10-04 01:11:06 PM

Fart_Machine: I wonder if it changed his attitude on zoning and regulation too?


No.  Government regulations kill jobs (unlike exploding fertilizer factories.)
 
2013-10-04 01:12:34 PM

UberDave: "I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's an oxymoron."


If only there were something we could all pay into that would help that middle-class Joe when they need a little help.


I think the proper response is:

There's no 'oxy' about it.
 
2013-10-04 01:12:54 PM
Yet another conservative who is willing to examine the possibility that his "Got Mine, Fark You" attitude might possibly be wrong with respect to this one particular issue where  he also just happens to be personally affected.


 fark him. Call me when the selfish farker changes his mind on a subject without having to be on the receiving end of one of his own policies
 
2013-10-04 01:13:39 PM
Good.  But you still shouldn't get any.  Best let that lesson really sink in so you don't forget it.
 
2013-10-04 01:16:01 PM

worlddan: tallguywithglasseson: "I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's an oxymoron."

Maybe this explosion wasn't big enough.

Many people are just fine being left alone when things are going well and then run to mama the first time a skinned knee happens. What is tragic is that it takes tragedy to get people to wake up. Regulation by gravestone, I've head it called.


"Regulation by gravestone"  I like that.  It seems appropriate.
 
2013-10-04 01:16:30 PM
Conservatives are largely incapable of true empathy.  For them to be empathetic they have to have more direct experience with an issue.

Cheney: gay marriage
McCain: torture
Rubio: immigration

It is a regular pattern with them.  They need more direct experience/knowledge in order to take an enlightened Liberal position on an issue.
 
2013-10-04 01:17:16 PM
Now if we can just convince them about regulatory oversight, they won't need the government aid next time.
 
2013-10-04 01:18:51 PM

The Name: Good.  But you still shouldn't get any.  Best let that lesson really sink in so you don't forget it.


I posted this intending to be somewhat of a prick, but then I RTFA:

"I don't want government help...but I'm also for the middle-class Joe that just kind of needs a little bit of help," Muska said. "I don't know, maybe that's an oxymoron."

4.bp.blogspot.com

it's some kind of moron

So, turns out the guy actually hasn't learned anything, and I'm not a prick.
 
2013-10-04 01:20:36 PM
There was an easy and straight-forward way for that town to stand on its own two feet without federal aid.  It could have raised taxes and set aside a massive emergency fund all on its own that would remain untouched and unused for years - decades maybe - until a true disaster occurred, and then used the emergency funds......and either jack up taxes crazy high to re-fill the fund or pray that nothing bad happens again until the emergency fund is replenished.

Of course this would only work if ever jurisdiction did the same thing nationwide, and since disasters only happen sometimes and in some places, then the net result would be trillions of $ sitting un-touched and un-used just in case.

It's much more productive, efficient and ultimately useful and cheaper to have the federal government fill that role.  Either that or just let a community get wiped off the map every now and then.  Usually it's a noplace in Missouri, but sometimes it's New York City.
 
2013-10-04 01:21:07 PM

mrshowrules: Conservatives are largely incapable of true empathy.  For them to be empathetic they have to have more direct experience with an issue.

Cheney: gay marriage
McCain: torture
Rubio: immigration

It is a regular pattern with them.  They need more direct experience/knowledge in order to take an enlightened Liberal position on an issue.


Torture all Republicans.
 
2013-10-04 01:26:28 PM
No. Just No.
I might have some used bootstraps lying around so you practice your fierce individualism, mister mayor.
 
2013-10-04 01:28:11 PM
But he's still vehemently against Obamacare because he's healthy and shouldn't be forced to get healthcare insurance.
 
2013-10-04 01:30:32 PM

ShadowKamui: Yakk: How about zoning laws and regulations on the storage of hazardous materials?

Quit using this false narrative to try and make the town look bad.  The plant was blatantly lying as to what they were storing.  If the plant only had the chemicals they were reporting at worse the school would have smelled like cat piss


That is exactly the point, companies lie about what they do but Texas state inspectors can not enter a facility without the owners permission.
 
2013-10-04 01:32:12 PM

cefm: There was an easy and straight-forward way for that town to stand on its own two feet without federal aid.  It could have raised taxes and set aside a massive emergency fund all on its own that would remain untouched and unused for years - decades maybe - until a true disaster occurred, and then used the emergency funds......and either jack up taxes crazy high to re-fill the fund or pray that nothing bad happens again until the emergency fund is replenished.

Of course this would only work if ever jurisdiction did the same thing nationwide, and since disasters only happen sometimes and in some places, then the net result would be trillions of $ sitting un-touched and un-used just in case.

It's much more productive, efficient and ultimately useful and cheaper to have the federal government fill that role.  Either that or just let a community get wiped off the map every now and then.  Usually it's a noplace in Missouri, but sometimes it's New York City.


Maybe we need a corporation that sells tea-party insurance.  Small towns can pay lower premiums if they zone things sensibly and have relatively low risk of race-to-the-bottom tax evacuation, but tea party towns can keep themselves from being destroyed by their own incompetence, when their individual chickens come home to roost.
 
2013-10-04 01:32:45 PM
"I know, that's an oxymoron," said the actual moron.
 
2013-10-04 01:33:59 PM
What's wrong with putting a fertilizer plant next to a residential neighborhood?
Don't mess with Tehas!
 
2013-10-04 01:34:06 PM

mrshowrules: Conservatives are largely incapable of true empathy.  For them to be empathetic they have to have more direct experience with an issue.

Cheney: gay marriage
McCain: torture
Rubio: immigration


Nancy Reagan: Stem Cell research
Rob Portman: gay marriage
Craig T Nelson: Food Stamps and welfare
 
2013-10-04 01:41:45 PM

Yakk: ShadowKamui: Yakk: How about zoning laws and regulations on the storage of hazardous materials?

Quit using this false narrative to try and make the town look bad.  The plant was blatantly lying as to what they were storing.  If the plant only had the chemicals they were reporting at worse the school would have smelled like cat piss

That is exactly the point, companies lie about what they do but Texas state inspectors can not enter a facility without the owners permission.


And that has what all to do w/ zoning laws?

Its a state & federal issue, stop trying to dump on the town (stupid comments by mayor not withstanding)
 
2013-10-04 01:44:14 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Craig T Nelson: Food Stamps and welfare


Incorrect. Craig T. Nelson has been on welfare and food stamps, and nobody helped him out.
 
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