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(NBC News)   Woman who yesterday tried to ram her way into the White House thought that Obama was stalking her. So, technically Obama as father is still in play   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 258
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2013-10-04 09:49:02 AM
I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?
 
2013-10-04 10:05:17 AM
Don't everyone believe he is stalking us.
 
2013-10-04 10:06:35 AM

Nadie_AZ: She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do?


You can kill somebody with a car.  It's been known to happen.
 
2013-10-04 10:07:47 AM

mikeray: Don't everyone believe he is stalking us.


He has appeared in my presence once, on my television multiple times, and people representing him have called me on my home phone and cell phone.  This man is clearly stalking me.
 
2013-10-04 10:13:50 AM
I thought she was just playing GTA 5 in real life
 
2013-10-04 10:14:29 AM

Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?


Ram them with her car?
 
2013-10-04 10:14:33 AM
On occasion I've woken up to Obama staring at me, just inches away from my face.  He said he'd have me moved to Alabama if I tell anyone.

His breath is always immaculate.
 
2013-10-04 10:14:37 AM
Wow, you can't even let them THINK you stuck your dick in crazy anymore.
 
2013-10-04 10:14:47 AM
So the official report makes her out to be crazy.

I'm shocked.
 
2013-10-04 10:14:56 AM
Mr. Obama, you are....not the father.

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2013-10-04 10:15:18 AM

Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?


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2013-10-04 10:16:20 AM

jshine: Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?

Ram them with her car?


Can you really call it ramming when you're blocked in and trying to escape?
 
2013-10-04 10:17:36 AM
This "unarmed" nonsense has to stop. The woman had a 3000lb battering ram that she used over and over again. She's not a victim. She tried to kill people yesterday -- thankfully, unsuccessfully.
 
2013-10-04 10:17:55 AM

jbuist: Nadie_AZ: She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do?

You can kill somebody with a car.  It's been known to happen.


Yeah but she stopped the car and got out. What was she going to do at that point? Ninja kick them?
 
2013-10-04 10:18:29 AM
Wow, that is a bit of a reach.
 
2013-10-04 10:18:37 AM
If only there'd been some sort of national system in place that allowed her access to the mental healthcare she so desperately needed.
 
2013-10-04 10:18:48 AM

Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?


I'm glad it's not just me -- are cops getting more trigger happy these days, or what? Like that crazy guy in Times Square last month -- seems like they just started firing without warning, and of course the only people that ended up getting hurt are bystanders.

I blame Halo.
 
2013-10-04 10:18:48 AM

Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?


Let me aim a high powered 3000 lb vehicle at you and then tell me I'm not armed.
 
2013-10-04 10:19:21 AM
Post-partum psychosis.
The first bad sign was when her sleep was interrupted.
 
2013-10-04 10:19:30 AM

topcon: On occasion I've woken up to Obama staring at me,


if he was offering you a sandwhich, then it was probably the Burger King guy, and not really Obama.  I can see how you can confuse to two though.
 
2013-10-04 10:19:38 AM

mikeray: Don't everyone believe

KNOW he is stalking us.

DC needs car control NOW!!! It's for their own good.
 
2013-10-04 10:19:47 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: jshine: Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?

Ram them with her car?

Can you really call it ramming when you're blocked in and trying to escape?


They didn't know her intent, if she had a bomb, had a gun or anything. Better to play it safe in a situation where a strange person tries to drive through your security and doesn't stop.
 
2013-10-04 10:19:58 AM

jbuist: Nadie_AZ: She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do?

You can kill somebody with a car.  It's been known to happen.


Not if you aren't in it.
 
2013-10-04 10:20:11 AM
Now the story is that she got fired for parking in a handicap spot. Nothing irritates me more than a lazy, narcissistic, person-of-entitlement ("POE") park in a space designated for the handicapped. I see people in their (perceived) stylish gangsta cars doing it all the time and it burns me up.

In this case, one employer firing was adequate. The second "firing" from the government was probably an over-response when the vehicle and driver had already stopped but this person was having personal issues that spilled over wrecklessly into society. We can't expect the police to diagnose crazy and protect the rest of us. The latter has to prevail. (EVEN IF Obama was stalking her...)
 
2013-10-04 10:20:33 AM
She's a helluva lot better looking than that thing he's married too.
 
2013-10-04 10:20:40 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: If only there'd been some sort of national system in place that allowed her access to the mental healthcare she so desperately needed.


Ironic that the precise system that might treat this is looking to be defunded as a condition of shutdown.  Coincidence?
 
2013-10-04 10:20:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: jshine: Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?

Ram them with her car?

Can you really call it ramming when you're blocked in and trying to escape?


If you hit someone, sure.  Conversely, if you try to drive over a cop who has a gun aimed at you, what do you think is going to happen?  "Escaping from the cops" isn't really a valid excuse for running them over.
 
2013-10-04 10:21:07 AM

darkmayo: AverageAmericanGuy: jshine: Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?

Ram them with her car?

Can you really call it ramming when you're blocked in and trying to escape?

They didn't know her intent, if she had a bomb, had a gun or anything. Better to play it safe in a situation where a strange person tries to drive through your security and doesn't stop.


She was backing out when they tried to close the gate on her.
 
2013-10-04 10:21:15 AM

ManateeGag: topcon: On occasion I've woken up to Obama staring at me,

if he was offering you a sandwhich, then it was probably the Burger King guy, and not really Obama.  I can see how you can confuse to two though.


The burger king king is different though...

...he knows he's not a real monarch.
 
2013-10-04 10:21:30 AM

I_C_Weener: mikeray: Don't everyone believe he is stalking us.

He has appeared in my presence once, on my television multiple times, and people representing him have called me on my home phone and cell phone.  This man is clearly stalking me.


That was a good morning laugh.  Thanks!
 
2013-10-04 10:21:33 AM

I_C_Weener: jbuist: Nadie_AZ: She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do?

You can kill somebody with a car.  It's been known to happen.

Not if you aren't in it.


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2013-10-04 10:21:44 AM

jshine: Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?

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"Heh! Bet that hurt!"

/"I was in the war! I was in the war!"
 
2013-10-04 10:22:03 AM

Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?


As I said a minute ago in the other thread that will surely soon die, how exactly did they know that at the time?

And yes, she'd probably have killed someone (good chance it would've been the baby) if they didn't stop her. They didn't know what she was trying to do since she wasn't acting rationally, but she was definitely being dangerous.

If there was any other way they could've handled the situation safely without the poor lady dying, it would have been great. How should they have handled it, knowing what they knew at the time?
 
2013-10-04 10:22:26 AM
Obama is stalking my taxes!  Obama is stalking my dessert choices!  Obama is stalking my beer choices!  Obama is making me buy CFLs!

History's greatest fartmonster!
 
2013-10-04 10:22:40 AM

CleanAndPure: ManateeGag: topcon: On occasion I've woken up to Obama staring at me,

if he was offering you a sandwhich, then it was probably the Burger King guy, and not really Obama.  I can see how you can confuse to two though.

The burger king king is different though...

...he knows he's not a real monarch.


And the Burger King always does more than stare.
 
2013-10-04 10:23:31 AM

MechaPyx: jbuist: Nadie_AZ: She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do?

You can kill somebody with a car.  It's been known to happen.

Yeah but she stopped the car and got out. What was she going to do at that point? Ninja kick them?


What better way to stop an unarmed, frightened, and confused single mom than to shoot her?  If you can describe a more effective way I'm listening.
 
2013-10-04 10:23:35 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: CleanAndPure: ManateeGag: topcon: On occasion I've woken up to Obama staring at me,

if he was offering you a sandwhich, then it was probably the Burger King guy, and not really Obama.  I can see how you can confuse to two though.

The burger king king is different though...

...he knows he's not a real monarch.

And the Burger King always does more than stare.


Go on....
 
2013-10-04 10:24:01 AM
Guns don't kill people.

Mental health care cuts kill people.

The same Fecking Idjits are responsible for both, so the point is moot.

I blame Ronald Reagan. It was on his watch that America (and subsequently, Canada, etc.) started dumping the mental institutions into the streets and slum tenements, reducing funding for out-patient care, yada, yada, yada.

Some people would sooner solve problems with bullets than ballots. Those people are called conservatives. They'll make sure you can have a gun but they will do everything in their power to make sure you don't have a vote or anything that might look like a benefit or welfare dollar.
 
2013-10-04 10:24:06 AM

AngryDragon: Uranus Is Huge!: If only there'd been some sort of national system in place that allowed her access to the mental healthcare she so desperately needed.

Ironic that the precise system that might treat this is looking to be defunded as a condition of shutdown.  Coincidence?


Ding!
You win.

The trouble with mental health care in this country is ... [insert anything here].
She probably tried to get help but was given an appointment 8 weeks out.
You really have to be an immediate danger to yourself or others to get mental help in the USA.
 
2013-10-04 10:24:33 AM
Unarmed black woman gunned down in front of her 1yo daughter...Wheres all that treyvon outrage at libs?
 
2013-10-04 10:24:36 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: CleanAndPure: ManateeGag: topcon: On occasion I've woken up to Obama staring at me,

if he was offering you a sandwhich, then it was probably the Burger King guy, and not really Obama.  I can see how you can confuse to two though.

The burger king king is different though...

...he knows he's not a real monarch.

And the Burger King always does more than stare.


i68.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-04 10:24:40 AM
Really sad since it now sounds like she was a depressed scizophrenic, but after the Naval Yard shooting and the tensions in DC going on this week, I can see how trying to blow through a security check point, ramming a cop car, and then frantically getting out of your vehicle after driving like a... well.... lunatic through the streets of DC near the Capitol building could lead to an agressive response.
 
2013-10-04 10:25:38 AM
Wow. Absolutely no citation or even an attempt to explain the reasoning behind the claim. Just "She might of thought 0booger was stalking her *bunch of other stuff unrelated to the stalking claim*".

STELLAR reporting.
 
2013-10-04 10:26:01 AM

ManateeGag: topcon: On occasion I've woken up to Obama staring at me,

if he was offering you a sandwhich, then it was probably the Burger King guy, and not really Obama.  I can see how you can confuse to two though.


So now he's proclaiming himself as King?
Obviously the Tea Party was right about this monster.
 
2013-10-04 10:26:06 AM
Unarmed woman in the car with her baby?
Box her in with cars.

Don't blow her away with Glocks.

Irony: The cops who shot her will now get mental health counseling.
 
2013-10-04 10:26:17 AM

jshine: AverageAmericanGuy: jshine: Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?

Ram them with her car?

Can you really call it ramming when you're blocked in and trying to escape?

If you hit someone, sure.  Conversely, if you try to drive over a cop who has a gun aimed at you, what do you think is going to happen?  "Escaping from the cops" isn't really a valid excuse for running them over.


I realized that it would be ramming just as I hit submit. But I would still differentiate between ramming as a means of attack and ramming as a byproduct of escape.

As for the guns, I'm not convinced it had to be escalated to that level. Our fear of bogeymen has made us forget how to approach situations calmly and rationally. In fact, it's gotten to the point that people will say judging her and treating her as a terroristic threat is rational. I think there's something fundamentally broken with that perspective.
 
2013-10-04 10:26:22 AM

brantgoose: Guns don't kill people.  Mental health care cuts kill people.



Sadly, this is probably one of the more true (if, perhaps, sarcastic) statements that will probably be made in this thread...  Our current policy of just ignoring mental illness seems to not be working very well.
 
2013-10-04 10:26:37 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: jshine: Nadie_AZ: I'm failing to see why the police opened fire. She wasn't armed, apparently. What was she going to do? Yell at them?

Ram them with her car?

Can you really call it ramming when you're blocked in and trying to escape?


Trying to escape = almost running over several police officers.

If you're blocked in by police there's usually a reason for that, and if you are jerking your car back and forth almost running them over they usually open fire.
 
2013-10-04 10:26:45 AM
The police should definitely have waited until there was a bullet flying at their faces before thinking "Hey, maybe I should've done something about this."  It's not like the previous 15-20 minutes was any evidence that she'd do something surprising and irrational, right?
 
2013-10-04 10:28:06 AM
the front of her car isn't damaged so I have to question the allegation that she tried to ram the gate. those barricades can pop up quickly as the cop who crashed can attest to.   from that point we have video of her being surrounded by guards pointing guns at her. a car blocking her from behind. then her backing up into that car. now she may not have seen the car pull up behind her. there was quite a lot going on with all the yelling and gun pointing. no doubt that she made a bad decision to flee. she didn't know where she was going because she went around that loop before heading out. she obviously panicked. what I'd like to know is when did the shooting start. was it there at the wh gate when she initially tried to back up?

a terrible series of unfortunate events. that poor child. I just wonder why she though Obama was out to get her. How does this kind of paranoid delusion start?
 
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