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(The Diplomat)   Japan tolerates a lot of weird things. But mixed race children? Not so much   (thediplomat.com) divider line 209
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2013-10-04 08:03:36 AM
this is probably news to peopel who think racism is unique to the west...
 
2013-10-04 08:08:31 AM
Japan is one of the most heterogeneous populations in the world.  This is not surprising.
 
2013-10-04 08:35:35 AM
I've traveled all around Japan and I was never denied assess into anything. I can't say is doesn't happen though because because when doglover was my tour guide he pointed to a gentleman's club that didn't allow foreigners.
 
2013-10-04 09:04:41 AM
This was a good read.  While I was aware of Japan's insular nature from hafu friends and others, this was an interesting exploration of the phenomenon.
 
2013-10-04 09:20:26 AM
Try being Half Chinese over there.
 
2013-10-04 09:40:37 AM

nekom: Japan is one of the most heterogeneous populations in the world.  This is not surprising.


Not that, the other one you big dummy
 
2013-10-04 09:44:04 AM
There's all kinds of racism built into Japanese society and cultural norms.

We should point at it and laugh.
 
2013-10-04 09:49:14 AM

liam76: this is probably news to peopel who think racism is unique to the west...


I'm sure they learned it from the west.
 
2013-10-04 09:53:34 AM
I like how people of each race somehow think the world just started out from the get-go with all these different races, like different color pieces on a Trivial Pursuit board.
 
2013-10-04 10:02:27 AM

nekom: nekom: Japan is one of the most heterogeneous populations in the world.  This is not surprising.

Not that, the other one you big dummy


I believe North Korea is the only one more homogeneous
 
2013-10-04 10:09:16 AM

vudukungfu: Try being Half Chinese over there.


Or half Korean.

Gwendolyn: I've traveled all around Japan and I was never denied assess into anything. I can't say is doesn't happen though because because when doglover was my tour guide he pointed to a gentleman's club that didn't allow foreigners.


In fairness, a lot of the unwritten rules are sort of waived for foreigners, and there are others that immediately kick in when someone from "away" kick in. Even folks from "away" who speak fluent Nihongo. My mother's land is incredibly racist. Heck, the family I had who moved back to Japan after WWII apparently are still having issues, and they didn't bring any hafu children into the world, just Nisei who spoke English and somewhat American tinged Nihonogo. My cousins, they sort of hide the fact that they are the children of immigrants who returned to the country. My mother committed the deadly sin of marrying a foreigner, not once, but divorced and found ANOTHER serviceman. And it's easier for her to live with my sister in Guam, than live in Okinawa because of it.

My tochis is NOT especially welcome, even Okinawa. Oh, folks will be relatively polite, because let's face it, my Dad's genetics stomped my mother's flat, and despite being born in Okinawa, to a Japanese national, I lost my dual citizenship some time ago. I don't mind that so much, because I've not been back, but I ain't going to pretend that the attitude doesn't rankle a bit. I understand why the attitude is so prevalent, with the nation being homogeneous to the point of making Whitmire, South Carolina--where I spent some time growing up, and without ONE black kid in my entire school--look like a poster for diversity, in that the nation experienced a self imposed isolation for generations, and the only foreigners that they allowed were brought in because of gunboat diplomacy, or "guest workers" to work jobs that even the lowest born Japanese considered beneath them, and oddly enough, a lot of those Korean and others turned to the Yakuza and gangs who welcomed them with open arms, and put them to work straight away when they wanted more than just to be laborers.

My mother's land is casually racist in some odd ways. Not just on appearance, but assumptions about folks from "away" that are oddly similar to the attitudes that you get in rural Maine, because of the relative isolation. Generations of relative isolation, coupled with homogeneity of culture and race, it leads to thoughts that it's normal for everyone to be the same. It's comforting in a sense, because a lot of things are assumed, and there are no challenges to those assumptions. It's a laxity of experience, and in some ways can be chalked up to simple ignorance and that lack of experience is being challenged, and folks often put up a ruckus about change. Especially in a nation that is so entrenched in tradition. And even the kids who are experimenting with all sorts of new ideas, they find the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. It is a powerful tradition, and the cultural homogeneity is deeply ingrained.

I love my mother's culture. I speak horrible Nihongo, but I do try to keep to her roots, but likewise, I understand its failings as well as its strengths. My daughter, oddly enough, looks a bit more Japanese than I do, and while I encourage her to explore those roots, at this point, she's Japanese by rumor in a lot of folks' minds. I'm not entirely certain that I'd take her to Okinawa to meet the branches of our family there, and certainly not on the Home Islands, because we've been told by that side, that we just aren't welcome. Too much bad blood, too many memories, and none of them want to even admit that they have family who left, let alone married gaijin. In a lot of ways, my sister and I are reminders of things that folks want to simply bury. They already face embarrassment that their family left, and returned to ruin. That they failed in their attempt at a new life, and returned in disgrace.

My experience as hafu is here in America, which is to say, not impacted much at all. I grew up on Army bases, and a good chunk of the kids I grew up with were of all sorts of mixed-upness. For us, it was normal, and I'm glad of that. If anything, being an Army Brat, I was always from away, no matter where I've gone. Even Facebook doesn't really get that, when they ask "What's your hometown?" I never had one. By the time I was six, I'd been to three countries, and lived in three states. By the time I was 12, that expanded fair heavily. I was rarely in a place long enough for my background of being racially mixed to come up, because I was always from somewhere else, and my accent, or lack of the right accent, that marked me as an outsider from the get go, and impacted far more than the almost almond shape of my eyes, and fair pale skin. Heck, I rarely get recognized as being even part Japanese thanks to my Dad's genetics stomping Mom's flat. I am a bit more defensive on the thought of heading to Japan, even to visit my mother's culture, because my Nihongo is terrible, and the breach with my family and their treatment of my mother and others in the family, that still rankles. I appreciate the culture, I appreciate the heritage, but I'm not going to pretend its all chrysanthemums and cherry blossoms. My mother's people are odd, and I chalk that up to the culture, and the relative isolation that they imposed, and not to mention the way that the culture was opened. It's a weird mix of influences, and my mother's people sometimes would like to forget the things that forced their way into their lands, and pretend that they are a modern people who came into the 21st Century on their own--and they did, in their own way, but it was because of a lot of wonky sh*t in the 20th that makes them feel odd and discomfited...
 
2013-10-04 10:19:16 AM
It's not just Japan that is like that, the majority of Asia is.  And they bring that over with them when they emigrate, at least a lot of them do.

The littlebopper is a perfect example of that:  Half Asian, left right after birth at the local hospital by the mother apparently because her boyfriend was Caucasian, and we surmise that the shame of having a half-white baby would have been too much for her family.

/Thank God for safe haven laws.
 
2013-10-04 10:20:22 AM
Whay huisebert said, with the caveat that "hafu" people have been in a boom recently. All the popular "talento" types on TV are half-japanese. So it works both ways.
 
2013-10-04 10:21:49 AM

hubiestubert: Even folks from "away" who speak fluent Nihongo.


A friend of a friend speaks totally fluent Japanese and didn't use it when she went there for business in the '90s. Apparently, her experience had been her understanding of the language and customs and so on are so good, that Japanese men therefore decided she also must understand her position in life, and reduced her to getting tea, even though she was a senior person and the only fluent one in her business.
 
2013-10-04 10:21:51 AM
My sister was born in Tokyo.

Well, it's interesting to ME dammit!
 
2013-10-04 10:22:22 AM

hubiestubert: Or half Korean.


ouch
 
2013-10-04 10:33:28 AM
Well I understand! We must keep the Japanese school pure! Well, their genetics anyway....
 
2013-10-04 10:36:08 AM
boy I messed that up..


Japanese school girl pure..

more coffee time
 
2013-10-04 10:38:22 AM

liam76: this is probably news to peopel who think racism is unique to the west...



Nationalism and racism are two entirely different phenomena. The concept of "races" was invented by Europeans in the 15th century, and many of the people the Japanese display prejudice against, including Chinese, Koreans, etc., are all of the exact same race as them (Mongoloid). It may seem pedantic, but racism has a concrete historical meaning.
 
2013-10-04 10:43:59 AM
Sybarite:
Nationalism and racism are two entirely different phenomena. The concept of "races" was invented by Europeans in the 15th century, and many of the people the Japanese display prejudice against, including Chinese, Koreans, etc., are all of the exact same race as them (Mongoloid). It may seem pedantic, but racism has a concrete historical meaning.

You don't think tribalism is the same thing?  That's been around just about as long as humanity.  What's NEW is the pan-humanism that we're seeing in liberals and progressives of late.
 
2013-10-04 10:44:39 AM
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2013-10-04 10:44:59 AM

Sybarite: the exact same race as them


You're either deaf, dumb, and blind or just the middle one if you think that. It's like saying Irish are the same as Icelanders.
 
2013-10-04 10:47:49 AM

Sybarite: liam76: this is probably news to peopel who think racism is unique to the west...


Nationalism and racism are two entirely different phenomena. The concept of "races" was invented by Europeans in the 15th century, and many of the people the Japanese display prejudice against, including Chinese, Koreans, etc., are all of the exact same race as them (Mongoloid). It may seem pedantic, but racism has a concrete historical meaning.


The Ainu might take some exception to this...
 
2013-10-04 10:51:24 AM
"Call me Hafu again b*tch"
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-04 11:07:06 AM

vudukungfu: Try being Half Chinese over there.


I'm full Chinese. I don't intend to ever be in Japan. If I wanted to be treated badly, at least I don't want to be out 3000 bucks while doing it.
 
2013-10-04 11:10:45 AM

Walker: "Call me Hafu again b*tch"
[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x233]


Oddly enough, the Yakuza in their varied forms, have pretty much always been welcoming of folks of mixed birth. Gangland in Japan has considered itself separate from the normal culture, and being outsiders already, they have welcomed the half breeds for a long while. Mind you, it used to be that you couldn't rise all that far in the ranks, but even that is falling away. Koreans and other immigrants were drawn to the Yakuza, for the gambling, the protection rackets, and more, and because they had a lot more opportunity to make some money, and get some form of respect, but even that was a double-edged sword, in that as the number of Koreans and half Koreans were brought in, it tinged a lot of reactions to their families and others near them.

It's a weird culture. As doglover pointed out, the Japanese like the novelty of the outsider. A lot of Westerners find work in Japan because of the novelty of seeing someone unlike themselves, pitching products, or just being whacky gaijin or goofy foreigners. Hafu are exotic, they are different, they are even signs that someone has been naughty with the foreign debbils, and that has some prurient internal imagery for some, and thus they are even more novel.
 
2013-10-04 11:21:05 AM

RexTalionis: If I wanted to be treated badly, at least I don't want to be out 3000 bucks while doing it.


Then don't go to Madame Dominitra's house of Humiliation in Montreal.
 
2013-10-04 11:23:11 AM

Generation_D: There's all kinds of racism built into Japanese society and cultural norms.

We should point at it and laugh raugh.


FTFY
 
2013-10-04 11:24:11 AM
Wow, they literally named the kid 'half'?

That said, we have a guy in a local program who is half Yugoslavian and half Japanese.  He's a really cool guy, and the other students seem to adore him.  That said, it's an international program and the other Japanese in the program half a somewhat broader view of the world than most Japanese, who are rather internally focused.
 
2013-10-04 11:24:55 AM
I dated a girl who was white/Japanese. Her parents still lived in japan and she told me she took a lot of crap about it when she went to visit them.

I say they're farking retarded. She was hot.
 
2013-10-04 11:26:06 AM
If the girl in the pic need someone to accept her im willing.
 
2013-10-04 11:26:09 AM

vudukungfu: RexTalionis: If I wanted to be treated badly, at least I don't want to be out 3000 bucks while doing it.

Then don't go to Madame Dominitra's house of Humiliation in Montreal.


Madam Dominitra has diversified. It's now Madam Dominitra's House of Humiliation and Pancakes.
 
2013-10-04 11:26:33 AM
All them chinamen look the same to me.
 
2013-10-04 11:26:38 AM

Mytch: Wow, they literally named the kid 'half'?


Go ahead and do a google video searh for "japanese new half"
 
2013-10-04 11:28:43 AM
Japan isn't entirely backwards.  They have progressives too.
 
2013-10-04 11:29:37 AM

Gwendolyn: I've traveled all around Japan and I was never denied assess into anything. I can't say is doesn't happen though because because when doglover was my tour guide he pointed to a gentleman's club that didn't allow foreigners.


Auto correct is like a sneak peak of an upcoming "behind the scenes" episode of a person's life.
 
2013-10-04 11:31:02 AM

doglover: Sybarite: the exact same race as them

You're either deaf, dumb, and blind or just the middle one if you think that. It's like saying Irish are the same as Icelanders.


No he's technically correct (which is the best kind of correct!.) If you believe in the theory of races then the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese etc. should all be classed together just like Icelanders, Irish, and Italians should all be classed together.

Of course racial theory is basically dead and the only people who believe it are racists and people whose understanding of genetics is at least 60 years old.
 
2013-10-04 11:32:40 AM
The takeaway from this thread is that apparently there are Teabaggers in Japan, too.
 
2013-10-04 11:32:42 AM
Japan is EXTREMELY homogenous. However, their birth rate has fallen so hard they pay my brother to produce mixed race kids with his wife.

Japan economy sucks, their birth rate sucks, they just kind of suck all around. My bro and family are moving to Australia
 
2013-10-04 11:32:43 AM

Walker: "Call me Hafu again b*tch"
[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x233]


Leaving satisfied, keeping my head....
 
2013-10-04 11:34:10 AM
Yeah, Japan is the most xenophobic place I've ever been. A friend of mine (who is full Japanese) went abroad for a year in high school and wasn't accepted by her (former) friends anymore  because they thought she was too much like a foreigner when she came back.
 
2013-10-04 11:36:04 AM

Ricardo Klement: liam76: this is probably news to peopel who think racism is unique to the west...

I'm sure they learned it from the west.


Says the guy who lives in BA.

I worked for a multinational marketing company with offices in six latin american countries.  Our clients in Argentina would only speak with representatives from Spain, Europe, or the US, because god forbid our other latin american employees were inferior.

And I was only given a pass because while being part Colombian,  the other half is Italian which is reflected in my surname.
 
2013-10-04 11:37:39 AM

Witness99: their birth rate sucks,


Not only is Japan's birthrate terrible and their population aging faster than any other nation in the world, they're also incredibly draconian about immigration and naturalization, so they can't at least mitigate the low birthrates with an influx of immigrants.

That country is screwed.
 
2013-10-04 11:37:46 AM
I wonder if this attitude is prevalent in the Phillippines? My current GF is a  hafu mix of filipino and irish, which means she's a very light olive-skinned exotic beauty - and she'll drink you under the table. ;-)

/no joke
//girl can hold her liquor
 
2013-10-04 11:38:01 AM
the protruding nail is hammered down.
 
2013-10-04 11:38:01 AM
Does George Takei know about this?  I wonder what his opinion on this matter is...
 
2013-10-04 11:38:47 AM

HailRobonia: vudukungfu: RexTalionis: If I wanted to be treated badly, at least I don't want to be out 3000 bucks while doing it.

Then don't go to Madame Dominitra's house of Humiliation in Montreal.

Madam Dominitra has diversified. It's now Madam Dominitra's House of Humiliation and Pancakes.


But no chicken and waffles?  Man, Quebec is weird
 
2013-10-04 11:39:43 AM
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it does happen.  im planning to go to japan next year (god i need the vacation) so i know there will be some places i wont be allowed in.

/going to visit the giant gundam statue
//amuro ray FTW!
 
2013-10-04 11:40:09 AM
I was kinda hoping we were getting some pictures of hot mixed race women. You know, for clarity.
 
2013-10-04 11:40:16 AM
Come to America. We love our half breeds. Genetic diversity produces some amazing results...both intellectually and physically.

When all the pure bred Japanese have aged and died off, we'll gladly recolonize their tribal homeland.

I love being an American mutt sometimes, and this is one of those times.
 
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