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(CBS Detroit)   Michigan veterinarian says new animal virus is so deadly it kills no matter how heavily antibiotics are used   (detroit.cbslocal.com) divider line 86
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2013-10-03 11:05:45 PM  
Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.
 
2013-10-03 11:13:22 PM  
Good thing we'll have private corporations to get right on this because the CDC is closed down.
 
2013-10-03 11:26:59 PM  
Uh... pets?

/could you be just a teensy bit more specific?
//what a useless article
 
2013-10-03 11:33:42 PM  

CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.

 
2013-10-03 11:35:54 PM  
Subtle joke is subtle.
 
2013-10-03 11:40:16 PM  
Q: Are the dogs in Ohio infected with circovirus?
A: No. Circovirus was suggested as a possible cause of illness and death of dogs in several parts of Ohio in late August/early September 2013, but it is no longer being considered as the primary cause of the illnesses. Circovirus was detected in the stool of one ill dog in Ohio, which is the first time the virus has been identified in Ohio, but this does not mean that circovirus has been confirmed as the cause of any of the recent illnesses. The Ohio Department of Agriculture continues to investigate the illnesses, and this will take time.

Q: Are the dogs in Michigan infected with circovirus?

A: As of October 3, the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development has been investigating illnesses similar to those observed in Ohio. The investigation will take time, and at this time they are not confirming that circovirus is involved.
 
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2013-10-03 11:53:00 PM  

doglover: Q: Are the dogs in Ohio infected with circovirus?
A: No. Circovirus was suggested as a possible cause of illness and death of dogs in several parts of Ohio in late August/early September 2013, but it is no longer being considered as the primary cause of the illnesses. Circovirus was detected in the stool of one ill dog in Ohio, which is the first time the virus has been identified in Ohio, but this does not mean that circovirus has been confirmed as the cause of any of the recent illnesses. The Ohio Department of Agriculture continues to investigate the illnesses, and this will take time.

Q: Are the dogs in Michigan infected with circovirus?

A: As of October 3, the Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development has been investigating illnesses similar to those observed in Ohio. The investigation will take time, and at this time they are not confirming that circovirus is involved.


Our media has  become the equivalent of really bad fast food.
 
2013-10-04 12:08:12 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.


The best thing antibiotics can do for a viral infection is help the immune system by taking any strain off it having to fight an opportunistic bacterial infection
 
2013-10-04 12:10:51 AM  
It's called Circovirus

Circovirus? It originated with clowns, didn't it? I knew they were evil.
 
2013-10-04 12:43:34 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.



Done in one.
 
2013-10-04 01:14:20 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.


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2013-10-04 01:15:38 AM  
We got too many pets nowadays anyway, y'ask me. All these women self-medicating with dogs and cats. It's too much.
 
2013-10-04 01:16:31 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.


Came to say this and post windmill Morbo
 
2013-10-04 01:17:04 AM  

mamoru: CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.

 
2013-10-04 01:18:39 AM  

doglover: Subtle joke is subtle.


That is what I thought until I read the artical.
 
2013-10-04 01:21:31 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.


Circovirus: The virus targets the lymphoid tissue and causes immunosuppression in the host.
 
2013-10-04 01:21:59 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We got too many pets nowadays anyway, y'ask me. All these women self-medicating with dogs and cats. It's too much.


Yeah but you know its gonna spread to the humans thats how all these movies start.
 
2013-10-04 01:23:27 AM  

UsikFark: CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.

Circovirus: The virus targets the lymphoid tissue and causes immunosuppression in the host.


Antibiotics still won't kill it. Perhaps you are thinking of antivirals?
 
2013-10-04 01:24:01 AM  
I can see where this is going...

technicolordreams70.files.wordpress.com

And then the apes eventually take over UCI.
 
2013-10-04 01:24:08 AM  
Zombie deer Armageddon? It's in yer bible!! Read your scriptures!!!
 
2013-10-04 01:24:29 AM  
The virus sounds like (rough description) AIDS, in that it causes immunodeficiency, and remember people with AIDS die of opportunistic infections like bacteria.
 
2013-10-04 01:26:01 AM  

zzrhardy: doglover: Subtle joke is subtle.

That is what I thought until I read the artical.


Wut?

Subby is making fun of the use of virus/antibiotics in TFA.
 
2013-10-04 01:26:10 AM  
Soon all the cats and dogs will die and people will adopt monkeys as pets.  We all know how that will turn out.
 
2013-10-04 01:27:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: UsikFark: CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.

Circovirus: The virus targets the lymphoid tissue and causes immunosuppression in the host.

Antibiotics still won't kill it. Perhaps you are thinking of antivirals?


No immune system means bacteria, yeast, whatever can thrive where normally suppressed. The first cases of AIDS were identified in individuals who had lungs full of normally harmless and naturally present bacteria.
 
2013-10-04 01:27:38 AM  

Fart_Machine: I can see where this is going...

[technicolordreams70.files.wordpress.com image 507x326]

And then the apes eventually take over UCI.


Dammit.
 
2013-10-04 01:31:04 AM  
Antibiotics work WITH your immune system. No functioning immune system, no full suppression of the infection.
 
2013-10-04 01:32:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Uh... pets?

/could you be just a teensy bit more specific?


Pet water buffalo.
 
2013-10-04 01:33:21 AM  
Y'all's a buncha pedantic people. It's a JOKE making fun of poor journalism.
 
2013-10-04 01:35:27 AM  

zzrhardy: doglover: Subtle joke is subtle.

That is what I thought until I read the artical.


The point is it's a mystery illness, definately not the virus originally suspected. Of course you use antibiotics on mystery illnesses. If it's bacterial, it'll get better.
 
2013-10-04 01:38:06 AM  

doglover: Y'all's a buncha pedantic people. It's a JOKE making fun of poor journalism.


Yeah, but since the journalist is quoting the vet it makes the poor vet sound like a dummy. My guess is that the vets run a culture, see an infection, then try to treat the infection while the prognosis worsens. Antivirals might not work at that point, if they are even available.
 
2013-10-04 01:38:21 AM  

doglover: Y'all's a buncha pedantic people. It's a JOKE making fun of poor journalism.


Poor journalism is poor. Poor jokes about poor journalism are poorer.
 
2013-10-04 01:38:26 AM  
I think I've seen this movie...

blogs-images.forbes.com

/It doesn't end well
 
2013-10-04 01:38:31 AM  
Viruses aren't alive.  You can't kill them.
 
2013-10-04 01:39:01 AM  

Psychohazard: Viruses aren't alive.  You can't kill them.


You can destroy them.
 
2013-10-04 01:39:55 AM  
 
2013-10-04 01:46:09 AM  
If the headline is a joke it is a clever one.

the vet in TFA look like an idiot.
 
2013-10-04 01:46:10 AM  
If it infects pigs it could in theory make the jump to humans.
 
2013-10-04 01:46:14 AM  
So this is how it ends eh? I was hoping for a nice lightshow from a giant meteor, but this will do as well. I'll be watching from my remote home on the hill in the woods. Nice knowing ya, Earf!
 
2013-10-04 01:50:22 AM  

UsikFark: If it infects pigs it could in theory make the jump to humans.


Not if we quit eating bacon. ...
...
...
... Oh, God, who am I kidding. We're doomed.
 
2013-10-04 01:50:29 AM  

Terrible Old Man: So this is how it ends eh? I was hoping for a nice lightshow from a giant meteor, but this will do as well. I'll be watching from my remote home on the hill in the woods. Nice knowing ya, Earf!


The most prevalent viruses don't kill their host. There is a little bit of check and balance.
 
2013-10-04 01:51:57 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: UsikFark: If it infects pigs it could in theory make the jump to humans.

Not if we quit eating bacon. ...
...
...
... Oh, God, who am I kidding. We're doomed.


I'd be more concerned about living on a pig farm in China than eating cooked pork if you're worried about species jumps.
 
2013-10-04 01:52:21 AM  

UsikFark: Terrible Old Man: So this is how it ends eh? I was hoping for a nice lightshow from a giant meteor, but this will do as well. I'll be watching from my remote home on the hill in the woods. Nice knowing ya, Earf!

The most prevalent viruses don't kill their host. There is a little bit of check and balance.


So if I can't balance my check book, I'm dead?
 
2013-10-04 01:53:23 AM  

UsikFark: The virus sounds like (rough description) AIDS, in that it causes immunodeficiency, and remember people with AIDS die of opportunistic infections like bacteria.


In addition, with humans, you've got batteries of antibiotics that target a whole lot of things.

With pets? I'm guessing not much, such generally if pets get sick they can't really call the doctor up themselves to inspect them and see if there's a new type of bacteria they need to start researching.
 
2013-10-04 01:55:25 AM  

doglover: Y'all's a buncha pedantic people. It's a JOKE making fun of poor journalism.


Really? Because I thought it was the veterinarian in the article directly saying it. Let's see what TFA has to say:

"It seems like the basic antibiotics aren't doing anything," she said. "You have to do really kinda big guns antibiotics in these to get their fevers under control and see any recovery in them."

Hmmmm... Are you suggesting that Dr. Lindsay Ruland is deliberately trolling the journalist? I suppose that it's a possibility. :-/
 
2013-10-04 02:00:42 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Perhaps that's because antibiotics don't kill viruses.


Thank you
 
2013-10-04 02:01:35 AM  

UsikFark: The virus sounds like (rough description) AIDS, in that it causes immunodeficiency, and remember people with AIDS die of opportunistic infections like bacteria.


Reading the second link in The One True David's post, this does sound like a virus that causes immunodeficiency. In which case, yes using antibiotics to treat secondary infections would make perfect sense. However, since the article doesn't say anything about it beyond naming the virus, it ends up making the vet sound like she doesn't know what she's doing.

Bad journalism indeed.
 
2013-10-04 02:03:13 AM  

mamoru: doglover: Y'all's a buncha pedantic people. It's a JOKE making fun of poor journalism.

Really? Because I thought it was the veterinarian in the article directly saying it. Let's see what TFA has to say:

"It seems like the basic antibiotics aren't doing anything," she said. "You have to do really kinda big guns antibiotics in these to get their fevers under control and see any recovery in them."

Hmmmm... Are you suggesting that Dr. Lindsay Ruland is deliberately trolling the journalist? I suppose that it's a possibility. :-/


The virus suppresses the immune system. That means opportunistic infections.
 
2013-10-04 02:08:34 AM  

UsikFark: The virus suppresses the immune system. That means opportunistic infections.


Yup. Caught that and responded in my next post. Like I said, the article makes no mention of this, and so makes it sound like the vet doesn't know what she's doing.
 
2013-10-04 02:15:18 AM  

mamoru: UsikFark: The virus suppresses the immune system. That means opportunistic infections.

Yup. Caught that and responded in my next post. Like I said, the article makes no mention of this, and so makes it sound like the vet doesn't know what she's doing.


It sucks when journalists leave plot holes.
 
2013-10-04 02:19:52 AM  

Psychohazard: Viruses aren't alive.  You can't kill them.


Chrissy and the Alphabeats disagree.

www.aerojockey.com
 
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