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(The Atlantic)   Maybe, just maybe, high school athletics aren't killing academics after all   (theatlantic.com) divider line 20
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2013-10-04 07:30:32 AM  
4 votes:
Research shows that schools with strong athletic programs money have higher test scores and lower drop-out rates.

Oddly enough, those same schools often have strong athletic programs too.
2013-10-04 06:34:51 AM  
4 votes:
They help right up to the point where you start cancelling academics to fund athletics.
2013-10-04 05:51:09 AM  
4 votes:
I don't think anyone ever said we shouldn't do sports... Especially in fatty mcfatterson land. I think the complaint is usually about the amount of money blown on sports vs academics.
2013-10-04 02:28:08 AM  
4 votes:
This is an amazingly accurate headline for a reasonable and fair article, drawing few conclusions and advocating nothing more than further study, written by a scholar from a University with an infamously marginal sports program whose reputation was built on academics instead of athletic competition.

Why is it on Fark?
2013-10-04 05:43:16 AM  
3 votes:

umadbro: I prefer to work with someone who has been an integral team player


So you prefer mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers over independant, creative, deviants?

Interesting choice.
2013-10-04 07:02:12 AM  
2 votes:

EvilEgg: They help right up to the point where you start cancelling academics to fund athletics.


Agreed.  I'm not saying team sports are useless.  I am saying they are not as useful as their funding priority would lead us to believe.
2013-10-04 05:52:04 AM  
2 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Darth_Lukecash: umadbro: Every industry is different. I prefer to work with someone who has been an integral team player. It makes it easier to trust someone who otherwise you know nothing about.

Would you include speech team, debate team? People in plays?

Orchestra? Band? Choir?


Choir kicks ass. It builds that team-playing ability just as well as organized sport.

In football, the quarterback is going to get hurt--that's a given. The center and tailback might avoid bodily harm, and the team isn't looked upon as "bad" if one player slips up. At least in a choir, the whole group is penalized if someone is off-key.

/Not a football fan
//Prefer rugby
2013-10-04 02:25:56 AM  
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: umadbro: Every industry is different. I prefer to work with someone who has been an integral team player. It makes it easier to trust someone who otherwise you know nothing about.

Would you include speech team, debate team? People in plays?


Orchestra? Band? Choir?
2013-10-04 02:12:54 AM  
2 votes:

umadbro: Every industry is different. I prefer to work with someone who has been an integral team player. It makes it easier to trust someone who otherwise you know nothing about.




Would you include speech team, debate team? People in plays?
2013-10-04 01:05:58 PM  
1 votes:
Is this where all the non-athletes try to convince themselves that it's okay to have been a failure at that because they're totally smart and athletes are dumb and athletics are a waste of time?

News flash: you're not smart, either - you got through school because they don't trim down classes based on intelligence the way they cut people from athletics.

There are a lot of dumb athletes and there are a lot of dumb people. At least the athletes have an incentive to show up to school, and therefore are more likely to be found actually showing up to class at the HS level.
2013-10-04 08:52:46 AM  
1 votes:

syrynxx: Bah.  You can't be an athlete spending three hours of practice a day after school and be a good academic any more than you can spend three hours reading a day and somehow be a good athlete.  You have to practice what you want to be good at. Practice won't guarantee you'll be good, but lack of practice guarantees you won't.


That's one of the most close minded views I've ever heard.  A diversity of interests will help teach you more than burying yourself in a single subject, and the same applies to multiple disciplines and pursuits outside of academics.

Yes, this means you won't get to watch your favorite tv show every night, but excellence does require some sacrifice.
2013-10-04 08:51:22 AM  
1 votes:

RidersOfLohan: NCAA athletes already have higher grad rates than the already crappy non-athlete grad rates. And have for years. Not much higher...but I almost graduated doesn't cut it on a resume.

And since only about 10% of any the majors  at any particular school will get you a related job anyway...

which reminds me...I worked with girl who was only 3 classes away from getting her degree at UCLA and she got pregnant.  Never finished up.  oh well.


At the university I attended, it was understood that at least the football and basketball teams had access to paid tutors, test banks, etc. that were unavailable to your average student unless they had cash to spend or joined a fraternity/sorority who generally keep test banks as well. Also this university had a reputation for taking it easy on athletes to begin with, so there's that.

Comparing your average athlete's test scores to your average collegian is a bit tricky when you can't trust that they have access to the same materials and that they are graded without bias.
2013-10-04 07:52:28 AM  
1 votes:
Schools with good athletics programs typically have more funding and a higher median income among the students' parents.
Schools with good academics typically have more funding and a higher median income among the student's parents.
2013-10-04 06:57:30 AM  
1 votes:
I'm going to threadjack a little here - I attended a Catholic all boy's "college prep" school.  I saw a commercial the other day for the school on local TV.   They never mentioned that 98% of the graduates went to college or that 40% received some sort of scholarship.   No, they talked about the football program and the baseball program and the basketball program, Since I was never involved in those, I found it odd.   But I can see the benefits of those programs in developing those young men.  I don't know.
2013-10-04 06:54:39 AM  
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syrynxx: Massachusetts produces math scores comparable to South Korea and Finland, while Mississippi scores are closer to Trinidad and Tobago. Ripley's thesis about sports falls apart in light of this fact. Schools in Massachusetts provide sports programs while schools in Finland do not. Schools in Mississippi may love football while in Tobago interscholastic sports are nowhere near as prominent.


Well, I'm convinced.  A state with some of the best colleges in the US produces....

Bah.  You can't be an athlete spending three hours of practice a day after school and be a good academic any more than you can spend three hours reading a day and somehow be a good athlete.  You have to practice what you want to be good at. Practice won't guarantee you'll be good, but lack of practice guarantees you won't.


First of all the study is about high school athletics.  Secondly we're talking about large groups of students and their average performance and the article is not claiming causation.  Having experienced the dynamic I can tell you this much: Participation in organized sports at the high school level helps greatly improve the academic performance of marginal to "likely to fail" students WAY more than it hurts those who would have been academically successful anyway.  The net result is an overall improvement of scores for schools where significant numbers of students participate in a sport.

Even if a kid has NO role models at home their coaches are often looking over their shoulder and participating in their academic efforts - study tables, grade checks, disciplinary intervention, positive role modeling.... anecdotes are not data but I personally have known dozens of young men who really only managed to stay out of trouble and graduate high school because their coach became defacto mom/dad.
2013-10-04 06:32:24 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-10-04 05:40:58 AM  
1 votes:
So, institutions bent on retaining athletes have inflated test scores and lower drop-out rates?

Shut the front door!
2013-10-04 03:35:09 AM  
1 votes:
Massachusetts produces math scores comparable to South Korea and Finland, while Mississippi scores are closer to Trinidad and Tobago. Ripley's thesis about sports falls apart in light of this fact. Schools in Massachusetts provide sports programs while schools in Finland do not. Schools in Mississippi may love football while in Tobago interscholastic sports are nowhere near as prominent.


Well, I'm convinced.  A state with some of the best colleges in the US produces scores similar to countries where parents beat their underperforming children and feed them rotting cabbage or a country where there is nothing the fark to do but look at reindeer and be on the internet or study.

A state where most white people think repealing slavery was a bad idea produces scores similar to a couple of resource-free islands whose surface area is smaller than Ted's Montana Grill holdings.  Even if someone was to fly that far south for vacation, they'd go to Aruba.  What is the main income source for Trinidad and Tobago?  Their GDP is $26 billion per year.  The US is spending half of that doing nothing every day.

Bah.  You can't be an athlete spending three hours of practice a day after school and be a good academic any more than you can spend three hours reading a day and somehow be a good athlete.  You have to practice what you want to be good at. Practice won't guarantee you'll be good, but lack of practice guarantees you won't.
2013-10-04 02:03:32 AM  
1 votes:

umadbro: Every industry is different. I prefer to work with someone who has been an integral team player. It makes it easier to trust someone who otherwise you know nothing about.


This approach seems much more reliable than references.
2013-10-04 01:25:48 AM  
1 votes:
Every industry is different. I prefer to work with someone who has been an integral team player. It makes it easier to trust someone who otherwise you know nothing about.
 
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