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2013-10-04 12:45:12 AM
So are we still waiting for the crazed tea bagger to try and kill the president. Also it is too soon to talk about car control. Also
 
2013-10-04 12:49:18 AM
I don't ever remember a story that carried on so long and had a whole city under siege for so long that started and ended with the same set of gunfire.
 
2013-10-04 12:58:55 AM
Ok.  I guess they are the barriers.  But if the one he hit was all the way up, how did he even get past it?  It would've been about as high as the top of the front of his car.  He wouldn't have went anywhere.  I still think it came up under him.
 
2013-10-04 01:04:34 AM

Cpl.D: Ok.  I guess they are the barriers.  But if the one he hit was all the way up, how did he even get past it?  It would've been about as high as the top of the front of his car.  He wouldn't have went anywhere.  I still think it came up under him.


From the video it looks like barriers were deployed on one side of the street. It looks like the cop car was attempting to pass them on the left and clipped one of the barriers.
 
2013-10-04 01:05:40 AM

Danger Avoid Death: This has become another episode of CSI Fark.


Only episode that ever solved the crime:

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-04 01:11:45 AM
Ban assault vehicles!
 
2013-10-04 01:14:47 AM

MechaPyx: Cpl.D: Ok.  I guess they are the barriers.  But if the one he hit was all the way up, how did he even get past it?  It would've been about as high as the top of the front of his car.  He wouldn't have went anywhere.  I still think it came up under him.

From the video it looks like barriers were deployed on one side of the street. It looks like the cop car was attempting to pass them on the left and clipped one of the barriers.


Yeah, I could see that happening.
 
2013-10-04 01:16:18 AM

Cpl.D: I still think it came up under him


I have no background in hydraulic engineering, and I wouldn't want to because those guys would probably smell like brake fluid all the time

Looks to me like he damaged his car and the mechanism that pushes those barriers up for a second or two
 
2013-10-04 01:23:55 AM

EdNortonsTwin: False flag, mind control, scare tactics to keep government open, unarmed woman sacrificed / executed!!!

Whoa, sorry about that folks, I just got back from Infowars.com, and ma tin-hat keeps sliding off ma head.


Be careful. Infowars is known to give you Infowarts.
 
2013-10-04 01:37:41 AM

LionHound: She did however have a nexus to the afterlife.



Did She drive her Lexis through that Nexis?
 
2013-10-04 02:03:57 AM

technicolor-misfit: MechaPyx: Cops these days are off the chain. Yeah she done farked up big time. She should have complied with the police instead of driving off. Maybe she panicked. So the cops start firing shots as the car speeds off. That seems reckless given all the civilians about. After a short chase they get the vehicle stopped. There's no indication she's armed. She could be but she hasn't fired any shots. She gets out the car and some trigger happy sonofabiatch later she's dead.


Look... a lotta guys go their whole careers without getting a single opportunity to kill someone.

When the chance presents itself, you don't hesitate, you don't ask questions, you don't start wool-gathering about "credible threats." You draw your weapon and fire, or you watch that opportunity vanish in a cloud of smoke like a million dollar lottery ticket carelessly tossed into a campfire.

You can live your dreams, or you can watch them pass you by.


About time someone said this.
 
2013-10-04 02:14:35 AM
One of the problems that police cause when they shoot unarmed women who are in the process of parking their deadly car-weapons and exiting them on foot, especially in such prominent cases, is that it gives future criminals every incentive to refuse to surrender, and to continue putting people's lives at risk by escaping at all costs.

The typical government reaction is to escalate the situation to 100% intensity every time, not out of a desire to control things or minimize risk, but out of a sense of revenge against (and dominance over) anyone who would defy them or injure one of their own.

If they reacted with such vigor every time a person was attacked, battered, injured or killed as when it's another cop, I'd assume they had a different motive. But as it is, cops clearly operate from an us-versus-the-world, tribal mentality.
 
2013-10-04 02:26:51 AM
This country has really taken EXTREME to heart. A trespasser is now a possible terrorist. Corn chips can't just be nacho cheese anymore, they gotta be eXtreme cheese. Sports just aren't cool enough unless they happen at the EXTREME games. Bumping into someone with a car is assault with a deadly weapon.

At no point did the security detail at the whitehouse calmly approach the woman as she drove onto the property. No one asked her what she was doing before they slammed the gates behind her. One wrong move and suddenly she's not a lost tourist but a threat to the President.

We all need to chill the fark out. Learn nuance. Practice kindness. Approach with politeness.

Be nice.
 
m00
2013-10-04 03:00:04 AM
The real question is: can we impeach obama over this?
 
2013-10-04 03:52:57 AM
We used to use metals like Lithium to treat mental illness. Turn's out Lead's cheaper.
 
2013-10-04 04:03:01 AM

Amos Quito: dumbobruni: Amos Quito: How the cop became injured:

[img.fark.net image 348x205]

The idiot hit a police erected barrier at high speed.

/GIF stolen from libranoelrose

Full video here

that's how one of the cops became injured.

the other was assaulted with a deadly weapon, i.e. her car


Here's a link to that video.

Analyze it for us, won't you?


My indepth analysis would indicate that she was still alive in this video.
 
2013-10-04 05:51:45 AM
i.huffpost.com

media.caranddriver.com

www.bigdreams.com
 
2013-10-04 08:11:56 AM
Apparently the car used is considered an SUV. Did they change the definition of SUV while I was gone?
 
2013-10-04 08:40:36 AM
As is typical in 'Merka, this woman did not deserve to die. Death orchestrated by police who blocked her in and made her panic because she thought they were after her baby, which they were.
 
2013-10-04 08:43:39 AM

JonnyG: As is typical in 'Merka, this woman did not deserve to die. Death orchestrated by police who blocked her in and made her panic because she thought they were after her baby, which they were.


If you really want root causes, blame the shiatty state of mental health care in the US.
 
2013-10-04 08:44:33 AM

JonnyG: As is typical in 'Merka, this woman did not deserve to die. Death orchestrated by police who blocked her in and made her panic because she thought they were after her baby, which they were.



Maybe she didn't want to surrender because she thought they'd gun her down in the street if she did.

Oh, wait ...
 
2013-10-04 08:47:54 AM

Ruiizu: Did they change the definition of SUV while I was gone?


Yeah, SUV is now the new cop drama on NBC this fall.
 
2013-10-04 08:48:29 AM
I came for reckless and baseless speculation of the individual's political affiliation.  I had no idea that the thread would actually be dumber than that.
 
2013-10-04 08:58:16 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: JonnyG: As is typical in 'Merka, this woman did not deserve to die. Death orchestrated by police who blocked her in and made her panic because she thought they were after her baby, which they were.

If you really want root causes, blame the shiatty state of mental health care in the US.


I actually find it interesting how this progressed in stages from a reporting and reaction standpoint.

1.  Shooting at the Capitol, officer down, unknown number of wounded.  MASS SHOOTING!  ZOMG GUNZ!
2.  Is it a right-wing conservative gun nut?  The Tea Party fringe?  Something to do with the shutdown?  ZOMG REPUBLICANZ!
3.  It was a woman!  ZOMG FEMALE TERRORIST!  Why didn't the police shoot sooner!
4.  Wait, it was a woman with a baby?  Umm.  ZOMG....um
5.  Wait, it was a black woman with a baby?  And she had a career and family?  Huh?  ZOMG! Why did the police have to shoot!
6.  ZOMG! Post-partum depression!  Why did the police have to kill this innocent woman!

And this was all over the space of two hours.  Cronkite is spinning in his grave.
 
2013-10-04 09:00:38 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: If you really want root causes, blame the shiatty state of mental health care in the US.


This.
If we avoid the temptation to narrate from the end of the story then the cops response is justifiable.
Yes it looks like she panicked at seeing a half dozen officers with guns drawn, but there was no way for anyone at the scene to know all this. They had to treat her like a full blown terrorist once she started ramming things.

The real question is how does a mentally troubled person get behind the wheel of a car and go on a joyride.
Those weren't cheap wheels, someone had to be missing them.
 
2013-10-04 09:17:17 AM

Amos Quito: Therac25 is to Phinn as Roy is to Sigfried.


Tiger chew toy? Or gay lover? I'm confused...
 
2013-10-04 09:22:03 AM

Doom MD: Ban assault vehicles! barriers!

 
2013-10-04 09:24:04 AM

libranoelrose: Cpl.D: Dude, are you seriously suggesting the white things on the left are the barriers? Aren't those benches? If the barriers were all the way up, that car would have stopped dead. And that didn't happen

[i.imgur.com image 510x215]


Nice, you got the capture I was trying to get, of them coming up in sequence.
 
2013-10-04 09:24:11 AM

blindio: I came for reckless and baseless speculation of the individual's political affiliation.  I had no idea that the thread would actually be dumber than that.


She was a crypto-fascist libertarian Catholic priest of Zul.
 
2013-10-04 09:28:19 AM

BigNumber12: libranoelrose: Cpl.D: Dude, are you seriously suggesting the white things on the left are the barriers? Aren't those benches? If the barriers were all the way up, that car would have stopped dead. And that didn't happen

[i.imgur.com image 510x215]

Nice, you got the capture I was trying to get, of them coming up in sequence.


You can also see two that are not raised at all yet:

www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-10-04 09:30:16 AM
From nbcnews:

The chase, on Thursday afternoon, stirred panic in the capital and briefly stopped the mechanisms of government.


Hah... no, they did that pretty well for themselves.
 
2013-10-04 09:38:13 AM
This is why I cum when I hear a cop has been killed.
 
2013-10-04 09:49:42 AM
Well, this is NOT fitting what the media wanted at all.  Everyone was so itching for it to be a white teabagger, but it turned out to be a black woman.  OOPS.

Guess we can stop talking about it now.  If it had turned out to be some fat white guy about 65 years old, we'd be on the overflow thread already.

col.stb00.s-msn.com
 
2013-10-04 09:55:49 AM

Beer cap: She was nuts and thought Obama was stalking her.

So, have Republicans called for an investigation yet?


In light of this, I have to feel sorry for this woman. It's really sad.

Normally I'm pretty harsh on cops because they have a tendency to have a "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality. And they frequently abuse their authority, particularly when they perceive a threat or disrespect to themselves or one of their own.

But what should they have done in this situation? The woman was acting, well, crazy. You can say they shouldn't have shot her, but that's easy to say in retrospect, since we now know she didn't have any weapons. At the time they had no idea what she was trying to do, but she was definitely driving dangerously, so something had to be done. If there was another way to do it without this lady being killed I'd wish they'd have handled it differently. As it is I think it's mostly just a really unfortunate situation. At least the baby's okay.
 
2013-10-04 09:57:22 AM

topcon: Well, this is NOT fitting what the media wanted at all.  Everyone was so itching for it to be a white teabagger, but it turned out to be a black woman.  OOPS.

Guess we can stop talking about it now.  If it had turned out to be some fat white guy about 65 years old, we'd be on the overflow thread already.


I think there's a big difference between someone going to the White House for the express purpose of committing an act of terrorism and someone at the driveway of the place by accident.
 
2013-10-04 10:00:25 AM
sanriosucks

So she wasn't a tea partier?
Nope, fark was wrong again. Once again, it was a liberal


// and we really need to take note of the fools claiming the cops weren't paid. They clearly know how the system works. (sarcasm)
 
2013-10-04 10:01:03 AM

topcon: Well, this is NOT fitting what the media wanted at all.  Everyone was so itching for it to be a white teabagger, but it turned out to be a black woman.  OOPS.

Guess we can stop talking about it now.  If it had turned out to be some fat white guy about 65 years old, we'd be on the overflow thread already.


Are you kidding? If it had been a white Tea Party guy, there would already be a memorial park under construction, a day of remembrance established, at least two big budget docu-dramas in production, and sweeping anti-white-Tea-Party-guy legislation to follow.
 
2013-10-04 10:04:28 AM
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier [TotalFark]


DC cops really need to lighten up when someone breaks a gate around the President. Come on guys, it's not life or death here.

IF she had been shot during that attempt, I'd have nothing to say.
This was minutes later when there was Zero threat to zero.
This is akin to two fools getting into a fight at a bar, one of them walking home, getting a gun and bringing it back to the bar and shooting his opponent.
 
2013-10-04 10:07:17 AM

Phinn: topcon: Well, this is NOT fitting what the media wanted at all.  Everyone was so itching for it to be a white teabagger, but it turned out to be a black woman.  OOPS.

Guess we can stop talking about it now.  If it had turned out to be some fat white guy about 65 years old, we'd be on the overflow thread already.

Are you kidding? If it had been a white Tea Party guy, there would already be a memorial park under construction, a day of remembrance established, at least two big budget docu-dramas in production, and sweeping anti-white-Tea-Party-guy legislation to follow.


Don't forget the comprehensive firearms regulations.
 
2013-10-04 10:07:48 AM

topcon: Well, this is NOT fitting what the media wanted at all.  Everyone was so itching for it to be a white teabagger, but it turned out to be a black woman.  OOPS.

Guess we can stop talking about it now.  If it had turned out to be some fat white guy about 65 years old, we'd be on the overflow thread already.


Look, you have to admit, most people wouldn't exactly be shocked if a teabagger did something like this. If they're already mentally ill, it's easy to see how they would get the motivation to do something dangerous since their way of life revolves around getting all angry and worked up about the government.

Anyway, whatever the motivation, I strongly suspected it was the result of mental illness. I've had a hard time believing she behaved the way she did because she was just freaked out and panicked. Only a huge moron would have done that with a baby in the car.
 
2013-10-04 10:08:34 AM
Theaetetus
2013-10-03 08:47:30 PM


So, when she got out of the car, she was unarmed?

She was not a cop. That's as good as armed to the american gestapo.
 
2013-10-04 10:19:57 AM
LoneWolf343

Ramming someone's else's car is assault with a deadly weapon. Everything that happens after that is on you.
Guess who doesn't know how self defense laws work.

For the ignorant among us, yes you may respond with lethal force while a person is a threat. That is during their attack on you. Grabbing a gun and shooting them later -even if later is just 30 seconds after they stop- is illegal and defined as murder.

If the police shot her while she was attempting to ram a gate or SS guard, the shoot would have been regrettable, but justified. Instead, she was gunned down while unarmed, outside her car, when she was no more threat than a wal-mart shoplifter. Arrest her and put her in jail for as long as the law allows, fine. Gun her down? No, that's what happens in a police state or klan rally.
 
2013-10-04 10:24:01 AM

topcon: Well, this is NOT fitting what the media wanted at all.  Everyone was so itching for it to be a white teabagger, but it turned out to be a black woman.  OOPS.

Guess we can stop talking about it now.  If it had turned out to be some fat white guy about 65 years old, we'd be on the overflow thread already.

[col.stb00.s-msn.com image 303x211]


To be fair, she drove really well for a woman.
 
2013-10-04 10:30:19 AM

Phinn: Gyrfalcon: So she was just an ORDINARY crazy drunk with a baby in the car trying to smash her way through the White House gate and running from cops ordering her to stop? That means we can still feel sorry for her and excoriate the cops for their overreach, and not praise them for taking down a crazed gunman/terrorist trying to kill the President?

Yes, anyone who desecrates the sacred sod in the vicinity of His Wonderfulness and then flees at a high rate of speed, then stopped miles away when surrounded by police, may not TECHNICALLY pose a threat to His Magificence's person, but she has offended His dignity, and for that her life is forfeit.


I really don't get this type of rhetoric.  I know a lot of "Laming Fliberals", and they are not worshippers of this president, who aside from his skin color, is a centrist, rather unemotional bureaucrat.  They are not thrilled by his willingness to compromise with the Republicans or his gradual approach to winding down the Middle-East wars started in the previous Republican administration.  I'm kind of a libertarian in some ways, and I think he's doing a good job of keeping everybody slightly disappointed, which in my mind is what good governance looks like.  All this "Magificence" and "Obamessiah" BS comes from the White Ring.
 
2013-10-04 10:38:33 AM
Ricardo Klement [TotalFark]

To be fair, she drove really well for a woman.
She clearly drove better than the fools with decades of government training.
 
2013-10-04 10:50:05 AM

vudukungfu: I'll be the round about
The words will make you out 'n' out
I'll spend the day your way......
Call it morning driving thru the sound and
In and out the valley......


Yeah, this has been pretty bizarre...
 
2013-10-04 10:57:59 AM

OnlyM3: LoneWolf343

Ramming someone's else's car is assault with a deadly weapon. Everything that happens after that is on you.Guess who doesn't know how self defense laws work.

For the ignorant among us, yes you may respond with lethal force while a person is a threat. That is during their attack on you. Grabbing a gun and shooting them later -even if later is just 30 seconds after they stop- is illegal and defined as murder.

If the police shot her while she was attempting to ram a gate or SS guard, the shoot would have been regrettable, but justified. Instead, she was gunned down while unarmed, outside her car, when she was no more threat than a wal-mart shoplifter. Arrest her and put her in jail for as long as the law allows, fine. Gun her down? No, that's what happens in a police state or klan rally.


I know you're busy furiously masterbating over the idea that the government did something wrong, but you are not correct.

That's what happens when you live in a country of 300m guns, when a person puts the lives of multiple people at risk right next to the place where the president of the free world and all of the governing body is located.

If anything is to be learned from this, it's that you don't start ramming cars and people when a dozen police and secret service have their guns pointed at you. When you do, your life is forfeit. I honestly hope you do NOT heed this lesson if you cannot understand this most basic principle.
 
2013-10-04 10:59:19 AM

topcon: Well, this is NOT fitting what the media wanted at all.  Everyone was so itching for it to be a white teabagger, but it turned out to be a black woman.  OOPS.

Guess we can stop talking about it now.  If it had turned out to be some fat white guy about 65 years old, we'd be on the overflow thread already.



This is the overflow thread.

The other one filled up with angry  fat white guys fuming at the imaginary accusations against their kind.
 
2013-10-04 11:06:35 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Phinn: Gyrfalcon: So she was just an ORDINARY crazy drunk with a baby in the car trying to smash her way through the White House gate and running from cops ordering her to stop? That means we can still feel sorry for her and excoriate the cops for their overreach, and not praise them for taking down a crazed gunman/terrorist trying to kill the President?

Yes, anyone who desecrates the sacred sod in the vicinity of His Wonderfulness and then flees at a high rate of speed, then stopped miles away when surrounded by police, may not TECHNICALLY pose a threat to His Magificence's person, but she has offended His dignity, and for that her life is forfeit.

I really don't get this type of rhetoric.  I know a lot of "Laming Fliberals", and they are not worshippers of this president, who aside from his skin color, is a centrist, rather unemotional bureaucrat.  They are not thrilled by his willingness to compromise with the Republicans or his gradual approach to winding down the Middle-East wars started in the previous Republican administration.  I'm kind of a libertarian in some ways, and I think he's doing a good job of keeping everybody slightly disappointed, which in my mind is what good governance looks like.  All this "Magificence" and "Obamessiah" BS comes from the White Ring.



I was referring more to a pervasive reverence for government generally, and the concomitant reverence for the symbols of the State.

Case in point, I refer to another post in this very thread that's representative of that theme --

Gyrfalcon: As to her motive, who knows; (we'll never know now) but this wasn't a case of mad-dog cops run amok. Also, she ended up at the White House, and there's no way the Secret Service, in this day & age and with this President, is going to do anything but shoot first and nevermind asking questions. Whether you're a drunken fool going the wrong way or a crazed gunman, if you run the gate at the White House, you may as well figure you WILL die at that point.



You'll have to ask Gyrfalcon what he meant by "with this President," as opposed to the protection offered to every other President, but you'll notice the general theme of sacred governmental space -- where the curtilage of the far side of the Executive office building two blocks from the White House is treated as holy ground where the age-old principles on the ethical use of lethal force are suspended.  Disobey --> die.

I have also seen no evidence that she attempted to ram her way onto the White House grounds.  I'm fairly sure that's physically impossible with a car like that.  I did see her pushing a police car with the rear of her car, as part of her general effort to get away from that driveway, but nothing to show that she tried to force her way in, except perhaps by using some salty and defiant language with the cops.

Also, she was killed at the Senate building on Capitol Hill, which is some time and distance away from the holy ground of the White House, and after her car had either stopped or been disabled by those pop-up street barriers.

The normal rules of civilized life say that you don't get to summarily kill someone who does not pose a threat.  At the moment she was killed, she was unarmed and her car was disabled.  Mistakes happen, but for the shooting to be remotely justifiable, the shooter(s) must have had a reason to believe she posed an actual threat.

Other than the taint of her effrontery -- deigning to tread upon forbidden ground to seek the imperial presence, and refusal to comply with the instructions of the inner guard -- what exactly was the reason for shooting her?

There may be a good answer to that question, but so far, no one has really offered one.  What I am commenting on is the idea that no one needs to offer one, since her defiance of authority is, in itself, sufficient grounds for immediate execution.
 
2013-10-04 11:12:45 AM
My initial super downwards spiral theory had been that she was the widow of a serviceman whose income was insufficient to get by with the loss of a spouse, and on top of that tragedy hers is now the lone income, supplemented by WIC, and with the shutdown things went directly to Falling Down, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

/I was less inclined to think teahadi
//don't like cops but they were not in the wrong this time
///sucks in all directions, there are no winners here
 
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