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(Deadline)   Move over, Roku: Amazon is planning on releasing its very own video streaming box   (deadline.com) divider line 90
    More: Cool, Amazon, streaming media, Richard Greenfield, Wall Street Journal  
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2013-10-03 08:36:34 PM
Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.
 
2013-10-03 09:26:44 PM

fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.


And we're done in one.
 
2013-10-03 09:27:00 PM
Vudu for the win. Screw services that take forever to provide access to the new releases.
 
2013-10-03 09:27:56 PM
Well, if they could come to my house and install real high speed internet...
THAT'D BE GREAT.
 
2013-10-03 09:29:19 PM

dazed420: Vudu for the win. Screw services that take forever to provide access to the new releases.


Yeah, but $7.99 a month for unlimited rentals is a hell of a lot less than $5-$6 per new release movie.
 
2013-10-03 09:33:14 PM
A steaming box of what?
 
2013-10-03 09:34:17 PM

dazed420: Vudu for the win. Screw services that take forever to provide access to the new releases.


They're complimentary services.  You get Vudu for movies (and buy ultraviolet codes from familyvideo.gom), Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu Plus for TV shows, and run them all through your Roku.  Then, you use your Chromecast to stream your live sports from sites in the UK and you're good to go.

You spend like $25-30 a month if you're buying (not renting) a couple movies.  Works out quite a bit better than cable for 1/5th the price.
 
2013-10-03 09:35:00 PM
And lock myself further into Amazon's walled garden?

No, thanks.
 
2013-10-03 09:35:08 PM

JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.


Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem
 
2013-10-03 09:36:21 PM

100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem


//I should add that Twonky solves that problem well enough for me.
 
2013-10-03 09:37:42 PM

100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem


Chromecast does a great job with YouTube.
 
2013-10-03 09:41:04 PM
weeklygeekshow.com

/not amused with replacements
 
2013-10-03 09:45:14 PM
I like the part where we have an article about it that has zero info, including the trademarked name "Firetube".

At this point, with a chromecast, blu ray player that has amazon and netflix, and an xbox in the living room.... and a roku in the bedroom... I'm failing to see exactly what niche market they are going for.   Kindle Fire users, and restrict their use to only the Firetube, and allow for books to be put on the TV?

You lose, Amazon.  Good day sir.
 
2013-10-03 09:48:49 PM
Chromecast supports Hulu now. Game over.
 
2013-10-03 09:54:46 PM
If the media is organized anything like it is on Amazon Prime they can farking keep it
 
2013-10-03 10:02:56 PM
When I chose an eReader, it was anything BUT a Kindle, because they don't read the dominant file type, ePub. They lock you into the Kindle store.

I assume they have a similar plan for video.
 
2013-10-03 10:04:45 PM

fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.


Netflix uses Amazon's infrastructure.

http://www.zdnet.com/the-biggest-cloud-app-of-all-netflix-7000014298 /

When you decide to use Netflix instead of Amazon Prime, Amazon still makes money from you.
 
2013-10-03 10:06:54 PM

jaytkay: When I chose an eReader, it was anything BUT a Kindle, because they don't read the dominant file type, ePub. They lock you into the Kindle store.

I assume they have a similar plan for video.


The Kindle isn't that closed off. Just use Calibre. Format isn't an issue, and it makes it very easy to organize a large library.
 
2013-10-03 10:11:17 PM
No thanks. I'll just keep my media server.
 
2013-10-03 10:12:21 PM

darwinpolice: Chromecast supports Hulu now. Game over.


That it does, but you still don't have an Amazon Video player right?

I've been tossing around getting one or a Roku 3?
I want 1 device that will handle all the video needs, but that looks to be a HTPC. Problem is, That's not intuitive for and older user. (meaning, I can't leave the 'rents at the house and expect them to be able to watch a movie)

I want full featured and simple, but they seem to be mutually exclusive.
 
2013-10-03 10:14:37 PM
We have one of those already...it's call the "Xbox 360".  All of the apps we need with an HDMI port.
 
2013-10-03 10:14:47 PM

NeoCortex42: The Kindle isn't that closed off. Just use Calibre. Format isn't an issue, and it makes it very easy to organize a large library.


Except few people can/will do that. Amazon intends to lock you into their store. So I don't want their ereader.

/ Obviously my choice is killing them in the marketplace, I know
 
2013-10-03 10:18:30 PM
Just bought a 2nd hand OUYA for $50 from a slackjawed neighbor kid who was dumbfounded and shocked that a platform that was funded developed and rolled out in 9 months wasn't an XBox killer.    It's actually a really nice XBMC Streaming Box with a quad core processor and a Gig of RAM that blows away most commercial stand alone media streaming box.   If you like to tinker you can sideload Android apps and  Roms.   I really haven't used it's games at all, and it's still worth every cent of $50 ... basically what I would have spent to build my own watered down Raspberry Pi box.
 
2013-10-03 10:19:11 PM

Virtual Pariah: darwinpolice: Chromecast supports Hulu now. Game over.

That it does, but you still don't have an Amazon Video player right?

I've been tossing around getting one or a Roku 3?
I want 1 device that will handle all the video needs, but that looks to be a HTPC. Problem is, That's not intuitive for and older user. (meaning, I can't leave the 'rents at the house and expect them to be able to watch a movie)

I want full featured and simple, but they seem to be mutually exclusive.


I've built an HTPC for my parents, and will be taking it to them later this month. I've installed Ubuntu to keep the costs down. They are in their early 60's, and I think they'll be just fine.

If your parents can use a computer, they can use an HTPC.
 
2013-10-03 10:20:04 PM

100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem


plex is a decent replacement, except you can't browse from the roku itself
 
2013-10-03 10:24:20 PM

Virtual Pariah: I want 1 device that will handle all the video needs, but that looks to be a HTPC.


Closest I've come so far is the Western Digital TV Live Hub.  Interfaces with multiple streaming services and includes a 1TB hard drive for local media storage (what I use it for 100% of the time) and includes many codecs (though 5.1 AAC is oddly not among them). All in a package that is about 7x7x1" box with HDMI, ethernet, and wifi. Interface is a bit sluggish, but better than anything I've found to replace it yet.
 
2013-10-03 10:27:10 PM

Virtual Pariah: darwinpolice: Chromecast supports Hulu now. Game over.

That it does, but you still don't have an Amazon Video player right?

I've been tossing around getting one or a Roku 3?
I want 1 device that will handle all the video needs, but that looks to be a HTPC. Problem is, That's not intuitive for and older user. (meaning, I can't leave the 'rents at the house and expect them to be able to watch a movie)

I want full featured and simple, but they seem to be mutually exclusive.


If you'll need your parents to be able to use it, get the Roku. I got one for each of my parents a couple years ago and they haven't had any problems, despite being pretty tech dumb. The Chromecast also requires a computer or smartphone to use, which will probably confuse mom and dad.
 
2013-10-03 10:27:13 PM
I already have an Amazon streaming device... it's called an XBOX 360.

It's also a HULU, Netflix, and HBOGO streaming device.
 
2013-10-03 10:32:10 PM

100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem


For $35 Chromecast has solved that problem. You can send Youtube videos to it from any device or computer. For me it's a bonus if Chromecast supports any other services.
 
2013-10-03 10:35:37 PM

Bubblegum Tate: 100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem

plex is a decent replacement, except you can't browse from the roku itself


I LOVE Plex.  Sure, you need to set up a server on your home computer and all but it's a good-ass program.
 
2013-10-03 10:36:48 PM
A streaming box, r&d code name "Cytheria."
 
2013-10-03 10:38:55 PM

ThatDarkFellow: If the media is organized anything like it is on Amazon Prime they can farking keep it


Amen. It's a pain in the ass finding something to watch on Amazon. I have Prime, but I only use it for shipping since I already have Netflix. Amazon Prime's UI was designed by English majors, or something.
 
2013-10-03 10:41:40 PM

100 Watt Walrus: 100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem

//I should add that Twonky solves that problem well enough for me.


JosephFinn: Bubblegum Tate: 100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem

plex is a decent replacement, except you can't browse from the roku itself

I LOVE Plex.  Sure, you need to set up a server on your home computer and all but it's a good-ass program.


I am looking for a DLNA/UPNP server that can transcode DVD VOB directories on the fly and serve it to a variety of Android / Linux / Windows machines, some perhaps on the net.

Can either Plex or Twonky do that, and do that well, and easily?
 
2013-10-03 10:44:29 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: ThatDarkFellow: If the media is organized anything like it is on Amazon Prime they can farking keep it

Amen. It's a pain in the ass finding something to watch on Amazon. I have Prime, but I only use it for shipping since I already have Netflix. Amazon Prime's UI was designed by English majors, or something.


I remember when it was cool to hate on Netflix a few years ago on teh intrawebbings and how ditching your Netflix account was stickin it do "Da Man",  and watching people try to talk themselves into the idea that Amazon Prime's UI wasn't a flaming bag of dog shiate.   Good times.
 
2013-10-03 10:51:06 PM
Roku just... nailed it. Small box. Cheap. Tons of options.

Amazon will have to price it  precisely right. They've shown they're willing to take a loss to get market share, though.
 
2013-10-03 11:20:43 PM
We sent our Roku back for lack of file format support. The Western Digital does fine by us.
 
2013-10-03 11:23:35 PM

dazed420: Vudu for the win. Screw services that take forever to provide access to the new releases.


Amazon Instant Video tends to get TV shows the day after they're released. Is that really so long to wait?
 
2013-10-03 11:31:43 PM
This seems like a zero growth market. Virtually every Blu-ray player and game counsel streams (in fairness, my Sony Blu-ray player is painfully slow with Amazon Prime compared to my Roku, while Netflix has a better menu system than the Roku, and supports 1080p Super HD with 5.1 -- Netflix only offers that on the newest Roku even though my XD supports 1080p and 5.1).

So basically, the only available market is for secondary TVs.
 
2013-10-03 11:34:08 PM
Seems to me that any company with an income stream based on selling the content is going to have little interest in making a device that's good at playing back content you got somewhere else.
 
2013-10-03 11:35:34 PM
stop it, America.  No more boxes of any kind.  Apple wants you to have a set top box now, too.  My Blu ray player has all this stuff - pandora, amazon, roku, etc.

and you don't even need that anymore, it's built into the TVs now.  Here is something even cooler.  My Direct Tv installer guy told me that manufacturers are going to start putting that software right in to TVs.  So, soon you won't even need a cable box or DVR.  You can just hang the tv on the wall, with no stand or console or anything.  Just a super clean look, like a painting hanging around it.
 
2013-10-03 11:35:42 PM

MrEricSir: dazed420: Vudu for the win. Screw services that take forever to provide access to the new releases.

Amazon Instant Video tends to get TV shows the day after they're released. Is that really so long to wait?


Not even the day -- 5AM most of the time (I've watched the last two seasons of Breaking Bad the next morning during breakfast).
 
2013-10-03 11:40:05 PM

The Baron: stop it, America.  No more boxes of any kind.  Apple wants you to have a set top box now, too.  My Blu ray player has all this stuff - pandora, amazon, roku, etc.

and you don't even need that anymore, it's built into the TVs now.  Here is something even cooler.  My Direct Tv installer guy told me that manufacturers are going to start putting that software right in to TVs.  So, soon you won't even need a cable box or DVR.  You can just hang the tv on the wall, with no stand or console or anything.  Just a super clean look, like a painting hanging around it.


That will never happen because the rental fee for the cable box is a huge source of revenue for cable companies. (Well, I suppose they could just come up with a new service fee).
 
2013-10-03 11:40:30 PM

ThatDarkFellow: If the media is organized anything like it is on Amazon Prime they can farking keep it


I thought about signing up for Amazon Prime, but I can't find a listing of the TV programs that are available on it, so I gave up.
 
2013-10-03 11:44:19 PM

Dwight_Yeast: ThatDarkFellow: If the media is organized anything like it is on Amazon Prime they can farking keep it

I thought about signing up for Amazon Prime, but I can't find a listing of the TV programs that are available on it, so I gave up.


http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A2864549011%2Cp_85%3A24 70 955011
 
2013-10-03 11:46:23 PM

thornhill: The Baron: stop it, America.  No more boxes of any kind.  Apple wants you to have a set top box now, too.  My Blu ray player has all this stuff - pandora, amazon, roku, etc.

and you don't even need that anymore, it's built into the TVs now.  Here is something even cooler.  My Direct Tv installer guy told me that manufacturers are going to start putting that software right in to TVs.  So, soon you won't even need a cable box or DVR.  You can just hang the tv on the wall, with no stand or console or anything.  Just a super clean look, like a painting hanging around it.

That will never happen because the rental fee for the cable box is a huge source of revenue for cable companies. (Well, I suppose they could just come up with a new service fee).


That's what cable cards are for. They get to still charge a rental fee.
 
2013-10-03 11:53:34 PM
Amazon Prime is now AirPlay compatible to the Apple TV. I bought the $15 Beamer app to send video from my MacBook to the apple tv with surround sound/subtitles. I am considering grabbing a Roku for their odd exclusive channels.
/fat PS3 died
//waiting for the PS4 to push a price cut to PS3 before replacing
 
2013-10-04 12:08:57 AM
Streaming video services are getting more and more frustrating.. It's not the quality.. It's the fragmented content. Everyone wants a piece of the pie and the content at each places is a constant shell game of if it will be available the next time you log in. fark em all
 
2013-10-04 12:23:40 AM

NeoCortex42: thornhill: The Baron: stop it, America.  No more boxes of any kind.  Apple wants you to have a set top box now, too.  My Blu ray player has all this stuff - pandora, amazon, roku, etc.

and you don't even need that anymore, it's built into the TVs now.  Here is something even cooler.  My Direct Tv installer guy told me that manufacturers are going to start putting that software right in to TVs.  So, soon you won't even need a cable box or DVR.  You can just hang the tv on the wall, with no stand or console or anything.  Just a super clean look, like a painting hanging around it.

That will never happen because the rental fee for the cable box is a huge source of revenue for cable companies. (Well, I suppose they could just come up with a new service fee).

That's what cable cards are for. They get to still charge a rental fee.



Smart TVs suck ass.  Give me a decent TV and let me witch out other things as needed.
 
2013-10-04 12:33:55 AM

100 Watt Walrus: JosephFinn: fusillade762: Is it going to play Netflix? If not I don't see it being a viable challenger to Roku.

And we're done in one.

Roku. Pry. Cold dead hands.

/of course, the lack of YouTube is an ongoing problem


I use Plex for YouTube on Roku. Netflix on Roku needs a damn update already.
 
2013-10-04 12:37:18 AM
Support Amazon Instant on Chromecast and you win.  It's that simple.
 
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