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(Miami Herald)   The Florida Dept of Corrections awarded a five-year, $1.2B contract to provide medical care for thousands of state prisoners to a company that was sued 660 times for malpractice in the past five years   (miamiherald.com) divider line 38
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2013-10-03 02:23:19 PM
Tag defining story.
 
2013-10-03 02:25:58 PM
*opens article*

Corizon

Ayup.
 
2013-10-03 02:26:00 PM
It's the Free Market TM at work!

/curious what the politician who runs the Florida DOC is hoping for?
//either lowest cost, best bribes, or more dead prisoners (or all three)
 
2013-10-03 02:26:47 PM
Is that higher than usual?
 
2013-10-03 02:28:52 PM
Sounds like that crappy state's level of logic.
 
2013-10-03 02:29:56 PM
I'll just point out the obvious
km.eduvate.co.uk
 
2013-10-03 02:32:03 PM
Inmates are notoriously litigious.

They don't have to pay their legal fees, and there fark-all else to do in the slammer, and it sometimes gets them out for court dates and whatnot.
 
2013-10-03 02:33:49 PM
They were awarded the contract.

That doesn't mean the care will be delivered.

It would be a lot more profitable to not use real doctors or medicines at all.
 
2013-10-03 02:35:27 PM
Does Rick's wife own this company too, or one of his buddies?
 
2013-10-03 02:36:37 PM
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LIBERTARIAN HEALTHCARE
 
2013-10-03 02:41:12 PM

blazemongr: Is that higher than usual?


There are probably anywhere from 80,000 to 100,000 medical malpractice lawsuits in the US in any given year.  These guys have had a total of 660 suits over the last five years which would be on par with any major hospital group in a major US city.

You may return to your regularly scheduled outrage.
 
2013-10-03 02:41:15 PM
Early on Aug. 9, Fields "felt his intestines escaping from his rectum." Fellow inmates begged Corizon's staff to take him to the hospital. Instead, nurse Bettie Joyce Allen "obtained some K-Y Jelly, and pushed the intestines back in," the records say. Hours later, at a local hospital, doctors found an abscess compressing his spine.

A jury awarded Fields $1.2 million in 2011 after finding Corizon solely responsible for what happened.
 
2013-10-03 02:46:04 PM
Meanwhile back in Tallahassee, the Lord Governor Lex Scott has a water rights lawsuit going against Georgia.  Florida's 'Canada."  While there's a farking tropical storm forming in the Gulf.  Just another day, in Paradise.

/and 2 thumbs up for the [Florida} tag on FARK

//yay
 
2013-10-03 02:51:32 PM
prick  scott and fatboy bush must be making money off of this. that's how it works in da Schlong.
 
2013-10-03 02:52:50 PM

Jocktopus: Inmates are notoriously litigious.

They don't have to pay their legal fees, and there fark-all else to do in the slammer, and it sometimes gets them out for court dates and whatnot.


If it weren't for the whole "potential violation of human rights" thing, this sounds like a great way to punish a particularly bad healthcare provider.  "You think you can settle your malpractice claims?  Well have fun with these litigious inmates!"  Watch as their more atrocious staff members get the boot, finally.
 
2013-10-03 02:54:00 PM
LOW BID
 
2013-10-03 03:05:12 PM

Cataholic: blazemongr: Is that higher than usual?

There are probably anywhere from 80,000 to 100,000 medical malpractice lawsuits in the US in any given year.  These guys have had a total of 660 suits over the last five years which would be on par with any major hospital group in a major US city.

You may return to your regularly scheduled outrage.



Try 15,000-19,000 med-mal lawsuits per year.

In 2010, the state with the highest case rate, New York, had a TOTAL of 3,861 cases out of a population of 19.4 million. I'm pretty sure the state of New York has more than six major hospital groups.

/google is your friend
//unless you're making shiat up
///slashies
 
2013-10-03 03:08:52 PM

Jocktopus: Inmates are notoriously litigious.

They don't have to pay their legal fees, and there fark-all else to do in the slammer, and it sometimes gets them out for court dates and whatnot.


And Prison service providers are notoriously neglectful of prisoners because fark it, who is gonna care if they complain,   Call me crazy, but, I think this guy had a case, just for instance:

Fields was sent to the Lee County Jail on July 6, 2007, after being convicted of two misdemeanors. He was healthy, except for a bump "about half the size of a tennis ball" on his left arm - the result of a spider bite, the court records say.
On Aug. 6, after a month of sporadic, ineffective and "lax" treatment by Corizon staff, Fields "felt his back go sore and numb." The next day, his legs began to twitch uncontrollably, with the pain becoming unbearable after midnight on Aug. 8, records say.
Fields could no longer walk by the time he saw a physician's assistant about 9 a.m. Fields was given Tylenol and returned to his cell.
Early on Aug. 9, Fields "felt his intestines escaping from his rectum." Fellow inmates begged Corizon's staff to take him to the hospital. Instead, nurse Bettie Joyce Allen "obtained some K-Y Jelly, and pushed the intestines back in," the records say. Hours later, at a local hospital, doctors found an abscess compressing his spine
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2013-10-03 03:13:35 PM
So? People who have been to jail never amount to anything.

blackcoffeepoet.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-03 03:19:14 PM
The county commissioners hired a private company to run our local county jail about 20 years ago. Before they took over it was rare that an inmate died in the county jail, and lawsuits were rare. The company (CCA) took over and within five years we were losing an average of two dead inmates a year, including a couple of people in jail for not paying traffic fines on time.
Remember Martin Anderson, the black kid killed in the boot camp when the jailers repeatedly broke ammonia tablets in his face? Same place.

What we found out is what the rest of the state is going to find out very soon after this latest phony attempt to save money by privatizing the prisons----it will cost the taxpayer roughly double. The private companies are for profit companies and have negotiated a contract. The only way to increase their profits is to cut costs. Cutting costs in health care means reduced care, which leads directly to major problems, then death. Major problems and death = lawsuits and high dollar settlements. Locally we had: 1) inmates take control of the jail's dispensary during a hurricane which ended up with a nurse being shot ending up in a major settlement against the county 2) The Martin Anderson mess, settled by the state for
five million before it went to court 3) a man who died because he was forbidden his medicine by some quack nurse, with an unknown settlement 4) a man who died from an extacy overdose who was told that he was faking it, with an unknown settlement.

They finally got rid of the CCA when they found that four of the five county commissioners had been given overseas vacation packages and were being taken nearly once a month to play golf all across the USA at prestigious golf courses.
And as soon as they were gone the deaths stopped and the lawsuits went back to almost nothing.

/a curse on Rick Scott. He is like a natural disaster for Florida, it's going to take us years to recover from him and his overwhelming corruption
 
2013-10-03 03:21:26 PM
This just in, inmates like to use the legal system to strike back at the man.

FTFA: Wexford (the other company) settled 34 of 610 closed matters (and had 1 other go to trial)

94-95% of claims are dismissed or dropped.
 
2013-10-03 03:40:59 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Cataholic: blazemongr: Is that higher than usual?

There are probably anywhere from 80,000 to 100,000 medical malpractice lawsuits in the US in any given year.  These guys have had a total of 660 suits over the last five years which would be on par with any major hospital group in a major US city.

You may return to your regularly scheduled outrage.


Try 15,000-19,000 med-mal lawsuits per year.

In 2010, the state with the highest case rate, New York, had a TOTAL of 3,861 cases out of a population of 19.4 million. I'm pretty sure the state of New York has more than six major hospital groups.

/google is your friend
//unless you're making shiat up
///slashies


Might want to read that again.

" In 2006, for instance, 15,843 malpractice payment reports were received. "  That's number of PAYMENTS, which is a sub set of total malpractice lawsuits, since most lawsuits do not result in payment.

If you actually look at the source documentation, you'll see in addition to payments there are other remedies, including adverse actions (state licensure board info, etc.).  Total for 2011?  53,925.  So those are the ones where the doc lost.  You still have the ones that the doc won.  So yes, I'd believe 80-100k of total malpractice lawsuits.

http://www.npdb-hipdb.hrsa.gov/resources/reports/2011NPDBAnnualRepor t. pdf

Yet another case where data is misinterpreted (by #NumberOfnet) and propagated indiscriminately through wikipedia.

/google is your friend
//unless you have poor reading comprehension or are not thorough in your research - wiki lies
 
2013-10-03 03:45:08 PM

ShutThoseLambsUp: Does Rick's wife own this company too, or one of his buddies?


That was my first thought.
 
2013-10-03 03:48:38 PM
Is that above or below average?

For a big enough company, 100 a year doesn't sound like much at all.
 
2013-10-03 04:11:10 PM

Apik0r0s: Cataholic: blazemongr: Is that higher than usual?

There are probably anywhere from 80,000 to 100,000 medical malpractice lawsuits in the US in any given year.  These guys have had a total of 660 suits over the last five years which would be on par with any major hospital group in a major US city.

You may return to your regularly scheduled outrage.

Why do you lie? Does Corizon pay you by the word, or by the pound of derp?


http://www.galfandberger.com/resources/medical-malpractice-statistic s/

"The number of  medical malpractice suits filed each year in the United States tends to vary, but the overall trend is that they are on the rise.  The average annual number of suits filed each year is about 85,000"

In case that's the part you're thinking is false.
 
2013-10-03 04:37:45 PM

Priapetic: common sense is an oxymoron: Cataholic: blazemongr: Is that higher than usual?

There are probably anywhere from 80,000 to 100,000 medical malpractice lawsuits in the US in any given year.  These guys have had a total of 660 suits over the last five years which would be on par with any major hospital group in a major US city.

You may return to your regularly scheduled outrage.


Try 15,000-19,000 med-mal lawsuits per year.

In 2010, the state with the highest case rate, New York, had a TOTAL of 3,861 cases out of a population of 19.4 million. I'm pretty sure the state of New York has more than six major hospital groups.

/google is your friend
//unless you're making shiat up
///slashies

Might want to read that again.

" In 2006, for instance, 15,843 malpractice payment reports were received. "  That's number of PAYMENTS, which is a sub set of total malpractice lawsuits, since most lawsuits do not result in payment.

If you actually look at the source documentation, you'll see in addition to payments there are other remedies, including adverse actions (state licensure board info, etc.).  Total for 2011?  53,925.  So those are the ones where the doc lost.  You still have the ones that the doc won.  So yes, I'd believe 80-100k of total malpractice lawsuits.



 "Adverse actions" =/= med-mal lawsuits. Nice try.


http://www.npdb-hipdb.hrsa.gov/resources/reports/2011NPDBAnnualRepor t. pdf


How were you able to access a nonessential government website?


Yet another case where data is misinterpreted (by #NumberOfnet) and propagated indiscriminately through wikipedia.

/google is your friend
//unless you have poor reading comprehension or are not thorough in your research - wiki lies



You missed the other link. 3,861 med-mal CASES in New York in 2010, with a population of 19.4 million, and New York has one of the highest case rates in the country. According to cataholic, that would be the expected figure for a total of six major hospitals. New York state has 10 of the 50 largest hospitals in the country.

Who's not being thorough in their research?
 
2013-10-03 04:57:22 PM

Jocktopus: Inmates are notoriously litigious.

They don't have to pay their legal fees, and there fark-all else to do in the slammer, and it sometimes gets them out for court dates and whatnot.


True, but they often have to take minor issues to court because they have no other means of avoiding the problem.
 
2013-10-03 05:19:45 PM
It is incredible that we have privatized prisons, and now, their medical facility.

Prisons for profit is a horrible thing.  It requires a product.

Publicly-managed prisons hope for less product.

This is horrible.

/This is capitalism at its near-worst.
 
2013-10-03 06:02:00 PM
Low bidders or someone in the DOC has a connection with the company.

Either way this is what we can expect from Nationalized Healthcare.
Why would the government work any differently with anything else?
 
2013-10-03 06:18:26 PM

common sense is an oxymoron: Priapetic: common sense is an oxymoron: Cataholic: blazemongr: Is that higher than usual?

There are probably anywhere from 80,000 to 100,000 medical malpractice lawsuits in the US in any given year.  These guys have had a total of 660 suits over the last five years which would be on par with any major hospital group in a major US city.

You may return to your regularly scheduled outrage.


Try 15,000-19,000 med-mal lawsuits per year.

In 2010, the state with the highest case rate, New York, had a TOTAL of 3,861 cases out of a population of 19.4 million. I'm pretty sure the state of New York has more than six major hospital groups.

/google is your friend
//unless you're making shiat up
///slashies

Might want to read that again.

" In 2006, for instance, 15,843 malpractice payment reports were received. "  That's number of PAYMENTS, which is a sub set of total malpractice lawsuits, since most lawsuits do not result in payment.

If you actually look at the source documentation, you'll see in addition to payments there are other remedies, including adverse actions (state licensure board info, etc.).  Total for 2011?  53,925.  So those are the ones where the doc lost.  You still have the ones that the doc won.  So yes, I'd believe 80-100k of total malpractice lawsuits.


 "Adverse actions" =/= med-mal lawsuits. Nice try.


http://www.npdb-hipdb.hrsa.gov/resources/reports/2011NPDBAnnualRepor t. pdf


How were you able to access a nonessential government website?


Yet another case where data is misinterpreted (by #NumberOfnet) and propagated indiscriminately through wikipedia.

/google is your friend
//unless you have poor reading comprehension or are not thorough in your research - wiki lies


You missed the other link. 3,861 med-mal CASES in New York in 2010, with a population of 19.4 million, and New York has one of the highest case rates in the country. According to cataholic, that would be the expected figure for a total of six major hospitals. New York state has ...


That would be the expected figure for 30 major hospitals per year.  Or six major hospitals over a five year period.  It's also difficult to pin down because some hospitals that operate under government authority have a different claims process because of sovereign immunity.
 
2013-10-03 07:00:15 PM
Floriduh has 1.2B?   Wow.
 
2013-10-03 08:17:25 PM
Don't prisoners just generally sue a lot?  Not like they have a lot of entertainment options.  I'll also buy the corruption angle, it is Florida.  Why not both?
 
2013-10-03 09:06:25 PM

HairBolus: Early on Aug. 9, Fields "felt his intestines escaping from his rectum." Fellow inmates begged Corizon's staff to take him to the hospital. Instead, nurse Bettie Joyce Allen "obtained some K-Y Jelly, and pushed the intestines back in," the records say. Hours later, at a local hospital, doctors found an abscess compressing his spine.

A jury awarded Fields $1.2 million in 2011 after finding Corizon solely responsible for what happened.


Unacceptable. Period.

Arkansas' contract with Corizon expires at the end of this year. From what I have seen, Corizon provides better medical care to our population than did CMS, who was acquired by Corizon a year or two ago. Not that I would use them on the outside, but that the care has improved somewhat. Of course, at my particular facility, our medical staff is much better than some of the others around the state that I have had to deal with. The treatment protocols probably vary from state to state and region to region, but just the professionalism and training that the medical staff has makes a world of difference.
Effective Jan. 1, CCS will become the provider for Arkansas inmates. I hope their care improves further. I have been in corrections for a while now, and have seen some horrible care (namely from CMS). I am of the mind that if society locks away an individual, then they are also responsible for that individual's care. And that includes medical/mental health care. There will always be inmates that try to game the system, but you still take care of them. Their job might be to act criminally, a medical professional's job is to provide medical care to anyone who walks through your door, regardless of past crimes.

CSB:
While working at a men's unit, a CMS nurse accused me of lying to her about an inmate pissing blood. Inmate had a serious infection causing him extreme pain and difficulty urinating. The nurse accused the inmate of poking or cutting himself on the dick while urinating. I was ordered by the Lt. to observe the inmate while urinating into a sample cup. Turned the blood filled sample over to the nurse and she accused me of both lying to her and providing the inmate with an object so that he could cut himself. She refused to accept that inmates ever got sick and was a terrible person in general. The inmate was finally provided the treatment he needed when (on a night shift) I found him in the floor in agony. A trip to the ER in an ambulance (all paid for by CMS, the motherfarkers) got him squared away. I got a little ass chewing from the nurse, but the Lt. had my back. She retired soon after and hopefully died a horrible death.
 
2013-10-03 09:08:38 PM

Ker_Thwap: Don't prisoners just generally sue a lot?  Not like they have a lot of entertainment options.  I'll also buy the corruption angle, it is Florida.  Why not both?


All of the above. Most lawsuits never make it to a courtroom.
 
2013-10-03 10:23:22 PM
I have a friend who came from a very dysfunctional family with a history of alcohol and drug abuse.  Despite a Manson Family style upbringing, he joined the military and learned to program computers.  After being honorably discharged, he went on to earn a lot of money in IT, working for some major corporations and banks.  Unfortunately for him, his life unraveled because of alcohol and drug abuse.  His marriage fell apart, and he ended up losing everything.   His life hit bottom when he was shot by police in Florida while attempting to escape when the police tried to arrest him on an outstanding warrant.  He survived the shooting, but the doctors who worked on him left one of the bullets in the fat around his stomach.  He was sentenced to 3.5 years.  While he was in prison the bullet had worked its way out of the fat and started to pierce the skin on his abdomen.  He notified the prison health service but was told that it was not a medical emergency and there was nothing they were going to do for him.  When he got out he emailed a picture of his gut, you could clearly see a hole in the skin with the nose of the bullet protruding out of it.
 
2013-10-03 10:44:06 PM
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2013-10-05 12:51:01 AM

Cataholic: common sense is an oxymoron: Priapetic: common sense is an oxymoron: Cataholic: blazemongr: Is that higher than usual?

There are probably anywhere from 80,000 to 100,000 medical malpractice lawsuits in the US in any given year.  These guys have had a total of 660 suits over the last five years which would be on par with any major hospital group in a major US city.

You may return to your regularly scheduled outrage.


Try 15,000-19,000 med-mal lawsuits per year.

In 2010, the state with the highest case rate, New York, had a TOTAL of 3,861 cases out of a population of 19.4 million. I'm pretty sure the state of New York has more than six major hospital groups.

/google is your friend
//unless you're making shiat up
///slashies

Might want to read that again.

" In 2006, for instance, 15,843 malpractice payment reports were received. "  That's number of PAYMENTS, which is a sub set of total malpractice lawsuits, since most lawsuits do not result in payment.

If you actually look at the source documentation, you'll see in addition to payments there are other remedies, including adverse actions (state licensure board info, etc.).  Total for 2011?  53,925.  So those are the ones where the doc lost.  You still have the ones that the doc won.  So yes, I'd believe 80-100k of total malpractice lawsuits.


 "Adverse actions" =/= med-mal lawsuits. Nice try.


http://www.npdb-hipdb.hrsa.gov/resources/reports/2011NPDBAnnualRepor t. pdf


How were you able to access a nonessential government website?


Yet another case where data is misinterpreted (by #NumberOfnet) and propagated indiscriminately through wikipedia.

/google is your friend
//unless you have poor reading comprehension or are not thorough in your research - wiki lies


You missed the other link. 3,861 med-mal CASES in New York in 2010, with a population of 19.4 million, and New York has one of the highest case rates in the country. According to cataholic, that would be the expected figure for a total of six major h ...



Well

I'll just wipe the egg off my face and make an omelet. There should be enough for everyone.
 
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