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(Talking Points Memo)   Rand: Let's keep talking about our willingness to compromise so people won't notice that it was our unwillingness to compromise that led to the shutdown in the first place. McConnell: Good, that should fool them. Say, your mike isn't hot, is it?   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2013-10-03 01:31:52 PM  
10 votes:
By "win this" I suspect they mean with the Idiot Brigade giving them more cash that they can ill afford to part with. This whole mess has been about a cash grab since McCain lost. It has been about piling up cash, and as much influence as possible with the gullible and inattentive, and yes, it IS working.

The problem is that it's shrinking The Big Tent to pup size, and it relies on drawing up districts to keep control, to the point if ridiculousness. It is a strategy predicated on only looking at the small picture, and going against Conservative pillars of prudence and long term strategy. It is all small unit tactics, while losing any thought to what's next.

It is exactly why I left the party: pants on head retardedness and an abandonment of anything looking like sense...
2013-10-03 04:13:35 PM  
4 votes:

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


There's nothing to compromise on. The Republicans are offering literally nothing besides "give us everything we want or we ruin the world economy."

ACA is a settled law, duly passed by Congress and found to be Constitutional.

It's already gone into effect and is funded outside of anything that would be effected by the CR. The forty-some-odd attempts at repeal have not worked because they simply can't get past the Senate, let alone the President. It's a LOST CAUSE. The entire reason for this shutdown is to extort Congress and the Senate to agree to killing the ACA, or else the world economy gets it.

There's LITERALLY no moral ground for Republicans to stand on here, and that's not even taking into consideration the economic and social fallout we're already feeling from the shutdown.
2013-10-03 02:31:52 PM  
4 votes:

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


False equivalency is not just a false equivalency, it's an outright false statement. 

We already have a "comprimise".   The Senate passed the "clean" CR with bi partisan support.   If Boehner would put it on the floor now, it would pass with bi-partisan support again and this whole thing would be over.

This is not about the two sides not being able to find common ground or being unwilling to comprimise.

This is about one side being hijacked by neo-confederate, anti-government  insurrectionists who went to Washington to sabotage it from the inside.   The GOP Party is too dickless to stop them, and the Democrats can't negotiate with them without rewarding terrorist tactics.
2013-10-03 01:32:00 PM  
4 votes:

James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.


Certain parts of the party have built a chamber so echo-y that they truly, honestly believe that they are currently winning both the negotiations and the hearts and minds of the American people.

That's why I think we're seriously at risk, for the first time, of actually no-shiat defaulting.
2013-10-03 11:51:16 AM  
4 votes:
"I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.
2013-10-03 02:32:20 PM  
3 votes:

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


Oh look!  Another account created years ago that uses the exact same talking points as existing trolls and who's never been seen before!  How novel!
2013-10-03 02:28:44 PM  
3 votes:

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


What are you doing not on my ignore list??? BYE!
2013-10-03 02:27:45 PM  
3 votes:
My favorite part of that exchange is "I don't think they poll tested 'we won't negotiate.' I think it's awful for them to say that over and over again." Because where are their heads at, that they're worried about poll testing phrases in this middle of this crisis of government?  And it also seems to indicate that they think "We won't negotiate" is just a Democratic catchphrase instead of a firm position that Republicans must acknowledge so they can decide whether they want to perpetuate the situation.
2013-10-03 02:21:33 PM  
3 votes:

SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.


Yup. Democrats know this, moderate Republicans know this.

The Tea Party is intractable and needs to be told "You will not hold the government hostage in order to win your ideological war on the government", and it should have been done with the last debt ceiling argument instead of the sequester.
2013-10-03 11:59:17 AM  
3 votes:

Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.


The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.
2013-10-03 06:21:16 PM  
2 votes:
The elephant in the room is that the Sequestration Budget the House was to pass was ITSELF a huge compromise by the Democrats, and this artificial tragedy is the Republican wing proving they don't negotiate in good faith, up to crashing the economy to double dip? Doesn't this justify and require the Democratic party presume that "refusal to negotiate with terrorists" is in fact the political reality?
2013-10-03 05:06:35 PM  
2 votes:
SkinnyHead

WayToBlue: SkinnyHead

The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution. You don't need to take a poll to know that. They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.

You mean a solution to the problem they caused, after getting all of what they wanted in budget cuts (you know the actual point of a budget CR)? That's the problem they're looking to "solve," right?

If I mug you and then you catch up with me, is it appropriate for me to ask to keep half of your money? Do I get to say you aren't working for a solution if you refuse? Why aren't you working with me, just give me half your money and this can be over!

The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse that exists between the House and Senate when it comes to ironing out differences in the provisions of the continuing resolution. The House is willing to compromise but the Senate is not. That's the problem.


The republicans created the impasse. They are the only reason there is an impasse. They are the problem.

Your mugging analogy is completely off track. Harry Reid does not own the government. The House is not trying to take something that belongs to Harry Reid.

Where did Harry Reid come from? No, he doesn't own the government, we the people do. The house is taking from us, they have shut down the government and many important services it provides.

The Constitution requires the agreement of both houses to fund the government. One side is trying to do that and the other side is not. Harry Reid has shut down the government because he stubbornly refuses to work with the House.

Yes, funding, which is what this bill is supposed to be about. And the democrats gave all the cuts the republicans were asking for. You want compromise, how about getting everything you asked for, seems like a good compromise. But that wasn't enough, so now they're trying to change established laws, which has no business in a budget CR.

They took a topic they knew was a complete nonstarter and made it the only way forward, and now they're up on their crosses acting surprised we're stuck.

Imagine Obama was requiring funding to create a national gun registry or he wouldn't sign a CR, would you consider that an acceptable tactic?

We are here for one reason; a bunch of republicans believe they need to out derp the other republicans or they're going to get primaried by someone even derpier.

There's a reason Beohner won't let there be a straight up or down vote for a clean CR, he knows it will pass, because there are enough members of his own party that see how retarded this is.
2013-10-03 02:41:55 PM  
2 votes:
I thought that "compromise" was a sign on weakness to republicans.  Now they are telling their base that they are willing to compromise and Obama is standing firm.   Their base must be so confused by now.
2013-10-03 02:36:54 PM  
2 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.


I don't think it is denial. I think it has more to do with the echo chamber. They trust GOP friendly pollsters (unskewed!) , watch FOX news and listen to Limbaugh etc. Everywhere they look people are in favor of what they are doing. They just don't look widely enough.

I feel like this will end badly for the GOP.
2013-10-03 02:34:29 PM  
2 votes:

19 Kilo: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

Oh look!  Another account created years ago that uses the exact same talking points as existing trolls and who's never been seen before!  How novel!


No, no, glassa's been useless around here for a long time.
2013-10-03 02:29:55 PM  
2 votes:
This is slightly off topic, but is there a "Shots fired at the Capitol" thread coming?

/TF Expired :(
2013-10-03 02:25:15 PM  
2 votes:
Just confirms what we already know - Rand's an idiot and McConnell's a duplicitous snake.
2013-10-03 02:23:50 PM  
2 votes:
I am convinced that the Republicans don't want to lead the people, they want to rule them.
2013-10-03 02:20:12 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.


Because to think otherwise would be to admit they were wrong, and sociopaths can't do that.

Wait until they blame the liberal media for secretly broadcasting a private conversation taken out of context in order to make them look bad.
2013-10-03 02:19:03 PM  
2 votes:
"Obama kept my mike on and made me say those words! Now do you see why we have to get rid of Obamacare?"

The derp sadly writes itself. That's why there will never EVER be a "Come to Jesus" moment of clarity with the Tea Partiers.

We're in Day 3 of a shutdown that occurred in Year 5 of an Administration that they hate more than a marathon of Low Winter Sun. And for many, they came from a society still smarting from a military and political defeat from 150 years ago. The hate is just too well-seated.
2013-10-03 02:17:34 PM  
2 votes:

SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.


Yes.  Yes they can.
2013-10-03 02:11:19 PM  
2 votes:

SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.


Hence the 17% approval rating for the GOP's handling of the shutdown, vs Obama's current 43% approval rating. Thanks for being the voice of reason.
2013-10-03 01:47:05 PM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: The house CAN pass a clean CR with bipartisan votes. The votes are there. They wont even bring it up though.


That's why the President it taking dead aim at Boehner now. He's pointing out that one man - John Boehner - could stop all of this in the next five minutes if he would just bring a clean funding vote to the floor. There are now at least 20 sane GOP House members ready to vote for it, which is more than we need.
2013-10-03 01:45:07 PM  
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: almost 30% blame the Dems/Obama. ONLY 44%?!?!?


At least 30% of the country are straight-line Republican voters who will never blame their party for anything. There is a percentage on the Dem side that will be the same way. But a double digit difference between the two is significant. And we're only three days into this.
2013-10-03 01:30:57 PM  
2 votes:

James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.


www.joeydevilla.com
2013-10-04 10:15:37 AM  
1 vote:

SkinnyHead: I've been hearing about clean vs unclean CR disputes for decades.  It's nothing new.



So you don't have a comparable example?

SkinnyHead: Instead of complaining about the procedure and shutting down the government because the CR passed by the house was "unclean," why aren't they talking about their objections to the compromise CR.



Because if you compromise you are legitimizing the use of a dangerous, sleazy procedure to make changes to an existing law; changes that they have been unable or unwilling to make through the normal channels!  Jesus...how many times does that have to be explained to you?

SkinnyHead: Democrats should be explaining to constituents why they think they should get taxpayer subsidies to pay for Obamacare exchanges, and they should explain why they think those perks are so important that they got to shut down the government to keep them.  They should also be explaining why big businesses get a delay in their Obamacare mandates, but individuals must be penalized.  Explain the fairness in that.



The bolded is bullshiat spin that the GOP is desperately attempting to foist onto the general public, and you're doing everything you can to help.  They 100% own this shutdown, and there are plenty of Republicans out there who even agree.  As for the rest: read this article:  http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-obamacare-waivers-exe m ptions-hyperbole-20131002,0,6344095.story
2013-10-04 09:57:41 AM  
1 vote:

jjorsett: guestguy: Do you have examples of what Democrats have attached to it in the past?  Was it attempting to ram through changes to a settled law which have repeatedly failed to make it through the normal channels?  It's not a criminal act, but that doesn't make it any less reckless or underhanded, and it certainly doesn't shift the blame for the shutdown to the Democrats for refusing to capitulate to the demands of hostage takers.

The "settled law" that said there was an employer mandate and a requirement for Congress to eat its own dog food? THAT settled law, the one that Obama waived his magic wand over and changed without Congress doing jack? [Yeah, I used 'waived' deliberately]. If the President and Democrats feel that Obamacare is infinitely malleable, the Republicans are entitled to think of it that way too, and to fight to get some of their own changes. And at least they're doing it through legit means and not just ignoring what the law plainly says when it becomes inconvenient.



The existence of waivers was written into the law itself, if you think specific waivers were underhanded or somehow illegal, I suggest you read this article:  http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-obamacare-waivers-exe m ptions-hyperbole-20131002,0,6344095.story

All of that aside, what you just tried to do was deflect, and in doing so implied that the shutdown is owned by the Republicans (i.e. Obama did something we think is bad, so the Republicans can do something bad too!).  Even if what you were saying about Obama making changes to the law without Congress' consent was true (and it isn't), that doesn't hold a candle to shutting down the government until you get your way...because that impacts a lot of people directly (forced unpaid time-off, services unavailable, etc.) as well as damages the economy.
2013-10-03 10:41:15 PM  
1 vote:

Carn: They knew it was hot.  "I'm all wired up here".


THIS.  The first thing turtle said, then the proceed to say all that anyway.  I have no idea how these imbeciles can think that lowering their voice a little would stop the mic from picking up their voices.  This isn't 1965 mic technology here.
2013-10-03 08:44:02 PM  
1 vote:
Amateurs.

My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.
2013-10-03 08:43:52 PM  
1 vote:

EyeballKid: Kentucky voters: DERRRRRRRP DERRRRRRP STIKITDEMLIBZ FORR MORR YEERZ!!!!


Maybe not.  McConnell is struggling against Allison Grimes.
2013-10-03 07:51:02 PM  
1 vote:

SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.


Even as a troll you are a liar.  The small group of extremists who are controlling GOP leadership and forcing this situation most DEFINITELY do not want the two sides to work together.  They don't want a solution, since their view is that any solution would be a compromise.

Want to understand what this is all about?  Go read the Freepers.  They can tell you everything you need to know.  The establishment GOP is just scared of being primaried out of existence.

So, as usual, you are full of shiat.
2013-10-03 07:50:40 PM  
1 vote:

incendi: Zeppelininthesky: This is not a debate or compromise. This about grandstanding and political brinkmanship. A clean CR has been passed to Boehner, but he refuses to bring it for a vote because he is trying to appease the tea party.

Has this thread been godwin'd yet? If not: John Boehner is Neville Chamberlain, the Tea Party is Nazi Germany, the continuing resolution is the Sudetenland, the debt ceiling is Poland, and shiat's about to get real ugly.


In Chamberlain's defense, the appeasement strategy bought the UK time to get its own military in gear.  Had England picked at fight with the German warmacht before that, the second world war would have been much, much shorter.  They just weren't ready to take on Germany at the time.  Chamberlain often gets the short shrift on those discussions, but the truth is, there wasn't much else he could do.

Boehner's an ass, though, and doesn't deserve defense.  His party animated the monster, they don't get sympathy when it threatens to choke the life out of him unless he does its bidding.
2013-10-03 07:42:02 PM  
1 vote:

Zeppelininthesky: This is not a debate or compromise. This about grandstanding and political brinkmanship. A clean CR has been passed to Boehner, but he refuses to bring it for a vote because he is trying to appease the tea party.


Has this thread been godwin'd yet? If not: John Boehner is Neville Chamberlain, the Tea Party is Nazi Germany, the continuing resolution is the Sudetenland, the debt ceiling is Poland, and shiat's about to get real ugly.
2013-10-03 06:29:08 PM  
1 vote:
The GOP is basically Walter White. They think they're doing it for noble reasons like family, but it's really all for greed and vengeance. At this point they're barely recognizable from what they used to be. They're constantly sinking to new moral lows, winning their confrontations due to a combination of cunning, ballsiness, and a willingness to jump into bed with even more loathsome psychopaths while reasonable people underestimate just how far they'll go to win.

So of course, like Walter, they're totally unphased by how sickened people are of them once they see past the bullshiat to what is really going on. They think all they need to do is find the right combination of words to support their bullshiat story and everyone will be on their side.
2013-10-03 06:06:22 PM  
1 vote:

SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.


And they see that side pretending to compromise is actually the side that shut the government down after six months of the other side begging them to negotiate. Then, after that side shut the government down, the public sees that side moaning about war memorials and not saying a word about the pregnant and nursing women, infants, and children deprived of food because WIC has been shut down.

Yes, America sees the two sides, and one is clearly working against America. America sees it, and America will remember in the next several elections.
2013-10-03 06:00:27 PM  
1 vote:

Mike Chewbacca: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

What are you doing not on my ignore list??? BYE!


Hey Mike, if I'm not there already put me on your ignore list too so you can stay cozy in your ideological cocoon.
2013-10-03 05:59:01 PM  
1 vote:
I'm puzzled.  It's clear that the Tea Partiers are loud, and obnoxious, and have found a way to dominate every conversation.  And we can see that just a small number of them, crazed enough, can do huge amounts of harm to the democratic process.  But why is it so obvious that if Boehner decides to go sane and let the clean CR come to a vote, that the TP in his district (or the TP in the district of any congressman who might vote to end this nonsense) will, without exception, vote for a TP nut in a primary, who will win because they have the numbers.  Really?  There have to be a significant number of quiet, unassuming Republicans who will vote for relative sanity without making a big fuss about it.  We already know that there are way more "sane" Repubs in Congress than the insane Tea Partiers, they just don't have the guts to stand up and be counted because of TPhobia.  So why is "death by TP" the inevitable outcome of doing the right thing?
2013-10-03 05:53:12 PM  
1 vote:

guestguy: SkinnyHead: guestguy: No, the Republicans are trying to tie something to the CR that has no business being there...they're trying to change a settled law by holding the government hostage.  They have reasonable changes to propose?  Great, go through the proper channels to do so!  The Democrats should never compromise when tactics like this are used, or they will do it every single time they don't get their way.

Who says that provisions cannot be attached to a CR?  Democrats have done it in the past.  It's not like some sort of criminal act.  The House has the same right to participate in decision making as the Senate.  The House is trying to work with the Senate to solve the impasse, but the Senate refuses to talk.

Do you have examples of what Democrats have attached to it in the past?  Was it attempting to ram through changes to a settled law which have repeatedly failed to make it through the normal channels?  It's not a criminal act, but that doesn't make it any less reckless or underhanded, and it certainly doesn't shift the blame for the shutdown to the Democrats for refusing to capitulate to the demands of hostage takers.


The "settled law" that said there was an employer mandate and a requirement for Congress to eat its own dog food? THAT settled law, the one that Obama waived his magic wand over and changed without Congress doing jack? [Yeah, I used 'waived' deliberately]. If the President and Democrats feel that Obamacare is infinitely malleable, the Republicans are entitled to think of it that way too, and to fight to get some of their own changes. And at least they're doing it through legit means and not just ignoring what the law plainly says when it becomes inconvenient.
2013-10-03 05:19:12 PM  
1 vote:

WayToBlue: Hobodeluxe

SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse

really? so what are they willing to give the Dems? Single payer? Higher taxes on the rich? Stricter gun regulations?

Indeed, they ask for a "compromise" but offer nothing in return.


and none of the news people will ask them what whey are giving in return for their part of the compromise.
just ask them what concessions they are bringing to the table.
if they say we will pass a continuing resolution as their only concession then respond,that's not a concession, that's extortion.
2013-10-03 05:01:51 PM  
1 vote:

Zerochance: cc_rider: It's disgusting, but it was no accident this got recorded. They knew the mics were on.

These two are pile-of-bricks dumb.  I'm willing to bet they didn't know.


That's insulting to piles of bricks.
2013-10-03 04:42:25 PM  
1 vote:

glassa: At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.


I haven't read the thread so I apologize if I'm the 4,981st person to mention to this to you - but the previous shutdowns were based on honest budget issue give-n-take. This is one is based on defunding a LAW that has been DEMONSTRATED as CONSTITUTIONAL in order to gain cheap political points with gerrymandered bases. That's it. It's a farking tantrum that makes Gingrich's little crusade seem downright patriotic in comparison. Gingrich wasn't trying to hold the economy and world financial opinion hostage for the sake of pure politics. OK, ok...at least not to the extent we're seeing now.

The "compromise" you want from Obama is to give everything the Teapubs want. That isn't how this, or any game, is played. And the next person who says, "Obama should compromise" is getting a (blank) list of GOP compromises in the Obama era, taped around my boot, and then having it lodged in their ass.

And I'm trying to quit smoking this week, so no one better test me on this.
2013-10-03 04:32:48 PM  
1 vote:
Jesus Christ, the GOP is pathetic , but not nearly as pathetic as the farking cretins who are cheering them on at the moment.
2013-10-03 04:29:45 PM  
1 vote:

bk3k: Yeah that horrible Harry Reid refused to pull out clauses from the Senate resolution which outlaw lead ammunition and clips/magazines over 2 bullets, mandate abortion for everyone under 21, and tax the JOB CREATORS 150% of their income.  Why can't that those damn Liberals just pass a clean bill of funding?!  They're being completely unreasonable with these demands!  DAMN YOU HARRY REID!


I think they should start adding those.  I don't really want those things, but every day the House doesn't give them the clean CR vote, they tack on a new condition the Republicans won't like.  "Okay, we were reasonable to begin with, now you're going to have to give us something to make up for wasting our time."
2013-10-03 04:29:07 PM  
1 vote:

Strolpol: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

There's nothing to compromise on. The Republicans are offering literally nothing besides "give us everything we want or we ruin the world economy."

ACA is a settled law, duly passed by Congress and found to be Constitutional.

It's already gone into effect and is funded outside of anything that would be effected by the CR. The forty-some-odd attempts at repeal have not worked because they simply can't get past the Senate, let alone the President. It's a LOST CAUSE. The entire reason for this shutdown is to extort Congress and the Senate to agree to killing the ACA, or else the world economy gets it.

There's LITERALLY no moral ground for Republicans to stand on here, and that's not even taking into consideration the economic and social fallout we're already feeling from the shutdown.


There is something to compromise on though, and Democrats have compromised greatly. At the core, the Government is currently shut down because there is no appropriated budget. A clean CR would simply take the dollar amount the Government has been operating on and continue to fund the Government at those levels. Both Obama and the Democrat controlled Senate have proposed budgets with substantially larger annual spending amounts than what the current CR would be. The current CR is dollar amount is even larger than what the Ryan budget was for FY 14.

In agreeing to passing the clean CR, Democrats have agreed to spend significantly less money on Government services than the had proposed earlier. They are even agreeing to spend less than what the GOP has proposed in the past. Funding the Government at CR levels is already a huge concession on the part of the Democrats.
2013-10-03 04:27:28 PM  
1 vote:
"I think if we keep saying 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that but now we're willing to compromise on this,' I think they can't -- we're gonna, I think -- well I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this I think," he said.

Don't stop believing....
2013-10-03 04:23:50 PM  
1 vote:

Magorn: Voiceofreason01: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.

Keep in mind this is a man capable of reading Atlas Shrugged and going "well THAT seems like a great idea! I will model my life and poltical philosophy after this book"  rather than "jusus what an intellectually bankrupt defense fo selfishness that steaming pile of crap was"


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2013-10-03 04:17:10 PM  
1 vote:

Voiceofreason01: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.


Keep in mind this is a man capable of reading Atlas Shrugged and going "well THAT seems like a great idea! I will model my life and poltical philosophy after this book"  rather than "jusus what an intellectually bankrupt defense fo selfishness that steaming pile of crap was"
2013-10-03 04:00:02 PM  
1 vote:

SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse that exists between the House and Senate when it comes to ironing out differences in the provisions of the continuing resolution.  The House is willing to compromise but the Senate is not.  That's the problem.  Your mugging analogy is completely off track.  Harry Reid does not own the government. The House is not trying to take something that belongs to Harry Reid. The Constitution requires the agreement of both houses to fund the government.  One side is trying to do that and the other side is not.  Harry Reid has shut down the government because he stubbornly refuses to work with the House.



No, the Republicans are trying to tie something to the CR that has no business being there...they're trying to change a settled law by holding the government hostage.  They have reasonable changes to propose?  Great, go through the proper channels to do so!  The Democrats should never compromise when tactics like this are used, or they will do it every single time they don't get their way.
2013-10-03 03:22:01 PM  
1 vote:

Rwa2play: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

Custer thought he could still win at Little Big Horn...


The Germans thought they could win by bombing Pearl Harbor!
2013-10-03 02:57:43 PM  
1 vote:
We'll probably just ignore the hours of video of Republicans calling for and cheering a shutdown.
2013-10-03 02:54:47 PM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: By "win this" I suspect they mean with the Idiot Brigade giving them more cash that they can ill afford to part with. This whole mess has been about a cash grab since McCain lost. It has been about piling up cash, and as much influence as possible with the gullible and inattentive, and yes, it IS working.

The problem is that it's shrinking The Big Tent to pup size, and it relies on drawing up districts to keep control, to the point if ridiculousness. It is a strategy predicated on only looking at the small picture, and going against Conservative pillars of prudence and long term strategy. It is all small unit tactics, while losing any thought to what's next.

It is exactly why I left the party: pants on head retardedness and an abandonment of anything looking like sense...


Guessing the intent of an action is always difficult.  They won in 2010.  And their "lack of Long-term strategy" could just as easily be the fairly accurate assumption that just like the major corps in the 80s and 90s they are best served by stealing as much as they can in the short-term and either jump ship or get bailed out later when some one else is forced to clean up their mess.  The whole nihilistic point of the GOP seems to be, "as long as no one is going to punish us, the worst they can do is eventually stop us, so party down!"
2013-10-03 02:51:32 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Dog Welder: Dr Dreidel: incendi: James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.

Certain parts of the party have built a chamber so echo-y that they truly, honestly believe that they are currently winning both the negotiations and the hearts and minds of the American people.

That's why I think we're seriously at risk, for the first time, of actually no-shiat defaulting.

Based on WTOP's reported polling, 44% blame the GOP, 17% blame bof sidez, and almost 30% blame the Dems/Obama. ONLY 44%?!?!?

The other 9% responded with "Duh...what?"

Would you feel better if I linked the poll? CBSNews poll, taken 1-2 October (and presented with poll data from 25SEP for comparison. Bottom of p1:

Who Do You Blame More for the Government Shutdown?
                                 Now     Before Shutdown (9/25/2013)
Republicans in Congress          44%          44%
Pres. Obama and the Democrats    35%          35%
Both (vol.)                      17%          16%

Feel better now?


I was making a joke at the expense of our ill-informed electorate.  There's always those in polls who respond with "don't know."

I also now have one person on my Facebook feed who's gone full retard, posting links to International Journal Review (a totally "unbiased" news source) after half his friends list jumped on him for being an idiot.  He's been laid off a few times and is currently unemployed, his wife has pre-existing conditions (previously uninsurable) and he has one child under the age of 26 who can't afford her own insurance.  He now believes his insurance will cost him $800 / month because of the IJR articles, and he won't even click on the link from TurboTax where he can get real costs even though I've explained that HE IS THE DEMOGRAPHIC THE LAW WILL HELP.  He just hates hates hate that darned ol' Obama, Scourge of the Cosmos and All That Is Holy.  Yes, he fully blames Obama for the shutdown, and he keeps spouting the FoxNews talking points ("He'll negotiate with Iran but not with Congress!")

I just fail to understand this.  I snarkily responded that compared to the Tea Party, the Iranians are reasonable (he didn't like that) and then I posted the Michelle Bachmann quote, which he didn't acknowledge.

This is why we can't have nice things.
2013-10-03 02:49:43 PM  
1 vote:
99% of the Bush tax cuts are now permanent.

That stubborn damned Obama!  Why isn't that 100%?  Why must he demand all or nothing again and again?
2013-10-03 02:48:51 PM  
1 vote:

Danger Mouse: No room in the libtard circle jerk


Dude.... theres always room for more in a libtard circle jerk. We're very inclusive in our orgies. Im guessing you are too young to remember the 70s... Pity.
2013-10-03 02:47:30 PM  
1 vote:

incendi: palelizard: The second shot was fired by a gassy gnoll.

I thought gnolls usually used axes, not missile weapons...


It was a cannon that shot axes. And ninja stars too cuz everyone loves ninja stars.
2013-10-03 02:46:32 PM  
1 vote:

Graffito: I thought that "compromise" was a sign on weakness to republicans.  Now they are telling their base that they are willing to compromise and Obama is standing firm.   Their base must be so confused by now.


Nah it all makes sense to them. "Obama bad" is their polestar.
2013-10-03 02:41:57 PM  
1 vote:

quizzical: My favorite part of that exchange is "I don't think they poll tested 'we won't negotiate.' I think it's awful for them to say that over and over again." Because where are their heads at, that they're worried about poll testing phrases in this middle of this crisis of government?  And it also seems to indicate that they think "We won't negotiate" is just a Democratic catchphrase instead of a firm position that Republicans must acknowledge so they can decide whether they want to perpetuate the situation.


Again, the precious GOP faith in PR over governance.
2013-10-03 02:40:00 PM  
1 vote:

SpectroBoy: shower_in_my_socks: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.


You have to unskew the shutdown  slimdownto see it.


FTFY


Im not sure fattening up will help but Ill do my part if I have to.
2013-10-03 02:39:01 PM  
1 vote:
SkinnyHead

The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution. You don't need to take a poll to know that. They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.

You mean a solution to the problem they caused, after getting all of what they wanted in budget cuts (you know the actual point of a budget CR)? That's the problem they're looking to "solve," right?

If I mug you and then you catch up with me, is it appropriate for me to ask to keep half of your money? Do I get to say you aren't working for a solution if you refuse? Why aren't you working with me, just give me half your money and this can be over!
2013-10-03 02:37:26 PM  
1 vote:
pbs.twimg.com
2013-10-03 02:36:02 PM  
1 vote:

Soup4Bonnie: Susan Ferrechio @susanferrechio

The U.S. Capitol Police confirm that shots have been fired, report that a police officer or officers *may* have been hit.

http://imgur.com/9M815Ur

Some kind of LEO with a gun, laying on the capitol steps (aiming, not dead, so SFW or whatever).
2013-10-03 02:35:13 PM  
1 vote:

Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.


They have access to the unskewed data!
2013-10-03 02:35:10 PM  
1 vote:

19 Kilo: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

Oh look!  Another account created years ago that uses the exact same talking points as existing trolls and who's never been seen before!  How novel!


Mods insists there are no trolls on Fark.
2013-10-03 02:34:02 PM  
1 vote:

LoneWolf343: cc_rider: It's disgusting, but it was no accident this got recorded. They knew the mics were on.

Right...so, what did they hope to accomplish?


I dunno, a little red meat for their derptard minions to make it appear that they're "winning"?
2013-10-03 02:33:58 PM  
1 vote:

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


But this seems taken out of context that the main argument was an election platform plank the President won a second term with and the negotiation tactics from the Republicans was to threaten to shut everything down should this (implicitly voter approved legislation) not be completely mangled. It's clear neither side will budge, but the Republican position is the one of bad faith so blame should logically fall on them for trying to re-fight a presidential election in such a manner.
2013-10-03 02:33:17 PM  
1 vote:

Desquamation: Carn: They knew it was hot.  "I'm all wired up here".

A lot of people forget the 1st rule of being on mic... Always assume it's live.


Yeah pretty much this. Ive seen seasoned professionals fark that one up from time to time. And remember these guys may be a tad stressed. I think the key for me is Rand saying that they "don't want to be there" meaning in that position. Thats not something a republican ever admits publicly.
2013-10-03 02:32:56 PM  
1 vote:

cc_rider: Reports of shots fired on capitol hill. WTF?  o_O


Just wait for the Fark thread on it.  Should be up by the time it's all over.
2013-10-03 02:32:03 PM  
1 vote:

Soup4Bonnie: Steven Dennis @StevenTDennis

Huh. Secret Service just cleared PA Ave and sidewalk in front of WH

Capitol Hill is on lockdown.


Reports of shots fired on capitol hill. WTF?  o_O
2013-10-03 02:31:19 PM  
1 vote:

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


You should buy me 1 year of TotalFark.
I tell you what, I will compromise for just 3 months of it.
WHEN WILL glassa COME TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE??? WHEN
2013-10-03 02:29:29 PM  
1 vote:

James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.


The people that voted for Sharron Angle.
2013-10-03 02:28:51 PM  
1 vote:
Did Rand Paul just say on camera that defunding Obamacare was noting more than a PR gimmick and a negotiating ploy and now he's ready to move on to something else?

That's a primaryin' offense!!!
2013-10-03 02:27:39 PM  
1 vote:
NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.
2013-10-03 02:24:42 PM  
1 vote:
They knew the mic was hot.  They were faux-discussing their plans, which can be easily parsed into their positive message.
2013-10-03 02:23:35 PM  
1 vote:

Soup4Bonnie: Steven Dennis @StevenTDennis

Huh. Secret Service just cleared PA Ave and sidewalk in front of WH

Capitol Hill is on lockdown.


Can't imagine why.

Sadly, I can....
2013-10-03 02:22:57 PM  
1 vote:

incendi: James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.

Certain parts of the party have built a chamber so echo-y that they truly, honestly believe that they are currently winning both the negotiations and the hearts and minds of the American people.

That's why I think we're seriously at risk, for the first time, of actually no-shiat defaulting.


That's not a bug, it's a feature. Seriously, has no one around here heard of Naomi Klein?
2013-10-03 02:22:11 PM  
1 vote:
"I just did CNN and I just go over and over again 'We're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate.' I think -- I don't think they poll tested 'we won't negotiate.' I think it's awful for them to say that over and over again," Paul said of the Obama administration's stance on the shutdown.

"Yeah, I do too, and I just came back from that two hour meeting with them, and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly," McConnell said.


I think it's hilarious that McConnell and Paul are bewildered by Democrats holding honest political positions not beholden to poll testing.
2013-10-03 02:20:47 PM  
1 vote:
Luke Russert @LukeRussert

Gun shots in front of Capitol. Cops scrambling. Not a joke


yikes.
2013-10-03 02:18:26 PM  
1 vote:

Carn: They knew it was hot.  "I'm all wired up here".


A lot of people forget the 1st rule of being on mic... Always assume it's live.
2013-10-03 02:17:20 PM  
1 vote:
WOO HOO! i was hoping the hot mic conversation would be put on the board.

SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.



i agree a solution is necessary however I'm also willing to suggest that the problem was not created by both parties.

Also, the Republicans want to win something? how about putting your party's ridiculous  demands aside and do something for the country? please? for once since President Obama was elected?
2013-10-03 02:11:47 PM  
1 vote:
It's disgusting, but it was no accident this got recorded. They knew the mics were on.
2013-10-03 02:11:04 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: I dont understand what these two GOP Senators have to do with anything. Its the House that is the problem. The Senate is majority Democratic, these teo are in the minority so what they think doesnt matter as much.

The house CAN pass a clean CR with bipartisan votes. The votes are there. They wont even bring it up though.


Then why is Boehner taking his marching orders from Rafael Cruz?
2013-10-03 01:44:33 PM  
1 vote:
I dont understand what these two GOP Senators have to do with anything. Its the House that is the problem. The Senate is majority Democratic, these teo are in the minority so what they think doesnt matter as much.

The house CAN pass a clean CR with bipartisan votes. The votes are there. They wont even bring it up though.
2013-10-03 12:27:31 PM  
1 vote:
I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.
2013-10-03 12:03:52 PM  
1 vote:
They knew it was hot.  "I'm all wired up here".
2013-10-03 11:56:43 AM  
1 vote:
That these people don't remember what happened to Frank Drebin is a big indicator as to how dumb they are.
2013-10-03 11:52:26 AM  
1 vote:
imghumour.com
2013-10-03 11:43:41 AM  
1 vote:
What a douchbag
 
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