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(Talking Points Memo)   Rand: Let's keep talking about our willingness to compromise so people won't notice that it was our unwillingness to compromise that led to the shutdown in the first place. McConnell: Good, that should fool them. Say, your mike isn't hot, is it?   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2013-10-03 02:49:53 PM  

Danger Mouse: Mike Chewbacca: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

What are you doing not on my ignore list??? BYE!

Oh Snap! You tell him Mike!  What a dick, saying things you don't agree with!  WTF? At least you told him you were going to ingnore him! Ha!

No room in the libtard circle jerk for the likes of him!


You can be the cracker if you want.
 
2013-10-03 02:50:27 PM  

Danger Mouse: Mike Chewbacca: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

What are you doing not on my ignore list??? BYE!

Oh Snap! You tell him Mike!  What a dick, saying things you don't agree with!  WTF? At least you told him you were going to ingnore him! Ha!

No room in the libtard circle jerk for the likes of him!


I'm detecting Conservative humor
 
2013-10-03 02:51:05 PM  

GameSprocket: SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.

Everyone appreciates a politician who negotiates!
[i68.photobucket.com image 850x850]


Ah yes, Britain's great pre-war joke.

/Hitler's dog had no nose.
 
2013-10-03 02:51:32 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Dog Welder: Dr Dreidel: incendi: James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.

Certain parts of the party have built a chamber so echo-y that they truly, honestly believe that they are currently winning both the negotiations and the hearts and minds of the American people.

That's why I think we're seriously at risk, for the first time, of actually no-shiat defaulting.

Based on WTOP's reported polling, 44% blame the GOP, 17% blame bof sidez, and almost 30% blame the Dems/Obama. ONLY 44%?!?!?

The other 9% responded with "Duh...what?"

Would you feel better if I linked the poll? CBSNews poll, taken 1-2 October (and presented with poll data from 25SEP for comparison. Bottom of p1:

Who Do You Blame More for the Government Shutdown?
                                 Now     Before Shutdown (9/25/2013)
Republicans in Congress          44%          44%
Pres. Obama and the Democrats    35%          35%
Both (vol.)                      17%          16%

Feel better now?


I was making a joke at the expense of our ill-informed electorate.  There's always those in polls who respond with "don't know."

I also now have one person on my Facebook feed who's gone full retard, posting links to International Journal Review (a totally "unbiased" news source) after half his friends list jumped on him for being an idiot.  He's been laid off a few times and is currently unemployed, his wife has pre-existing conditions (previously uninsurable) and he has one child under the age of 26 who can't afford her own insurance.  He now believes his insurance will cost him $800 / month because of the IJR articles, and he won't even click on the link from TurboTax where he can get real costs even though I've explained that HE IS THE DEMOGRAPHIC THE LAW WILL HELP.  He just hates hates hate that darned ol' Obama, Scourge of the Cosmos and All That Is Holy.  Yes, he fully blames Obama for the shutdown, and he keeps spouting the FoxNews talking points ("He'll negotiate with Iran but not with Congress!")

I just fail to understand this.  I snarkily responded that compared to the Tea Party, the Iranians are reasonable (he didn't like that) and then I posted the Michelle Bachmann quote, which he didn't acknowledge.

This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2013-10-03 02:53:38 PM  

Mjeck: Danger Mouse: Mike Chewbacca: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

What are you doing not on my ignore list??? BYE!

Oh Snap! You tell him Mike!  What a dick, saying things you don't agree with!  WTF? At least you told him you were going to ingnore him! Ha!

No room in the libtard circle jerk for the likes of him!

I'm detecting Conservative humor


That usually requires sensitive instruments.
 
2013-10-03 02:54:04 PM  

quickdraw: Desquamation: Carn: They knew it was hot.  "I'm all wired up here".

A lot of people forget the 1st rule of being on mic... Always assume it's live.

Yeah pretty much this. Ive seen seasoned professionals fark that one up from time to time. And remember these guys may be a tad stressed. I think the key for me is Rand saying that they "don't want to be there" meaning in that position. Thats not something a republican ever admits publicly.


Judging by earlier reports from the time the shutdown occurred I'd say being drunk is more likely than stressed.
 
2013-10-03 02:54:47 PM  

hubiestubert: By "win this" I suspect they mean with the Idiot Brigade giving them more cash that they can ill afford to part with. This whole mess has been about a cash grab since McCain lost. It has been about piling up cash, and as much influence as possible with the gullible and inattentive, and yes, it IS working.

The problem is that it's shrinking The Big Tent to pup size, and it relies on drawing up districts to keep control, to the point if ridiculousness. It is a strategy predicated on only looking at the small picture, and going against Conservative pillars of prudence and long term strategy. It is all small unit tactics, while losing any thought to what's next.

It is exactly why I left the party: pants on head retardedness and an abandonment of anything looking like sense...


Guessing the intent of an action is always difficult.  They won in 2010.  And their "lack of Long-term strategy" could just as easily be the fairly accurate assumption that just like the major corps in the 80s and 90s they are best served by stealing as much as they can in the short-term and either jump ship or get bailed out later when some one else is forced to clean up their mess.  The whole nihilistic point of the GOP seems to be, "as long as no one is going to punish us, the worst they can do is eventually stop us, so party down!"
 
2013-10-03 02:56:04 PM  

incendi: palelizard: The second shot was fired by a gassy gnoll.

I thought gnolls usually used axes, not missile weapons...


Flinds use bows.  Washington's a high level city.
 
2013-10-03 02:57:43 PM  
We'll probably just ignore the hours of video of Republicans calling for and cheering a shutdown.
 
2013-10-03 02:59:29 PM  
Someone needs to tell the Republicans what Tony Stark told Loki.. There's no throne, no possibility in which you come out ahead.
 
2013-10-03 03:02:16 PM  

wooden_badger: GameSprocket: SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.

Everyone appreciates a politician who negotiates!
[i68.photobucket.com image 850x850]

Ah yes, Britain's great pre-war joke.

/Hitler's dog had no nose.


How did it smell?
 
2013-10-03 03:04:51 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: "I just did CNN and I just go over and over again 'We're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate.' I think -- I don't think they poll tested 'we won't negotiate.' I think it's awful for them to say that over and over again," Paul said of the Obama administration's stance on the shutdown.

"Yeah, I do too, and I just came back from that two hour meeting with them, and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly," McConnell said.

I think it's hilarious that McConnell and Paul are bewildered by Democrats holding honest political positions not beholden to poll testing.


Came to point this out.
 
2013-10-03 03:05:05 PM  

Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.


Custer thought he could still win at Little Big Horn...
 
2013-10-03 03:08:30 PM  

Dog Welder: I was making a joke at the expense of our ill-informed electorate. There's always those in polls who respond with "don't know."


I guessed that might be it, but I also felt a bit bad that I didn't/couldn't find a cite.

As I said in a thread yesterday, the (admittedly small sample size of) 3 not-really-politically-aware people I spoke with on Sunday-Monday about the shutdown all blame the GOP. I don't really worry that the electorate in general will hold this against Dems, but I do worry that they won't hold it against the GOP enough.

// in 1995-6, only 25% or so blamed Clinton/Dems, and they gained a net of like 3 seats in all of Congress in the following midterms
 
2013-10-03 03:08:41 PM  

SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.


It's comforting to know that if Fark didn't have at least one person to bring up "fair and balanced" RNC PR BS, they'd have to create one.

or, as Douglas Adams pointed out, this may have already happened!
 
2013-10-03 03:09:10 PM  

BunkoSquad: James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.

[www.joeydevilla.com image 400x300]


Everytime I see that pic, I marvel how the camera seems to be actively trying to avoid focusing on him.
 
2013-10-03 03:12:01 PM  

Rixel: BunkoSquad: James!: I don't know who the republicans are poll testing with, because shiat looks pretty bad for them.

[www.joeydevilla.com image 400x300]

Everytime I see that pic, I marvel how the camera seems to be actively trying to avoid focusing on him.


no matter the context, he is always the background
 
2013-10-03 03:12:21 PM  

GameSprocket: wooden_badger: GameSprocket: SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.

Everyone appreciates a politician who negotiates!
[i68.photobucket.com image 850x850]

Ah yes, Britain's great pre-war joke.

/Hitler's dog had no nose.

How did it smell?


Shower fresh.
 
2013-10-03 03:12:43 PM  

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


Please tell us what the Democrats are going to get out of this deal.
 
2013-10-03 03:16:17 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Dog Welder: I was making a joke at the expense of our ill-informed electorate. There's always those in polls who respond with "don't know."

I guessed that might be it, but I also felt a bit bad that I didn't/couldn't find a cite.

As I said in a thread yesterday, the (admittedly small sample size of) 3 not-really-politically-aware people I spoke with on Sunday-Monday about the shutdown all blame the GOP. I don't really worry that the electorate in general will hold this against Dems, but I do worry that they won't hold it against the GOP enough.

// in 1995-6, only 25% or so blamed Clinton/Dems, and they gained a net of like 3 seats in all of Congress in the following midterms


Gerrymandering is going to make any real gains in the House extraordinarily difficult in 2014 -- the GOP are likely going to maintain control, and you have to wonder if any moderates will get primaried out.

I know the press right now is making it sound like the GOP has a shot at at least a tie in the Senate (there are some Democrats retiring from red states), but if the Republicans nominate more Akins and Mourdochs (who should have been slam dunks if not for their rape comments) they could have issues.

I think you also have to look at the possibility of McConnell losing his seat.  I think it's unlikely, but it would be HUGE if Grimes pulled out the upset.
 
2013-10-03 03:22:01 PM  

Rwa2play: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

Custer thought he could still win at Little Big Horn...


The Germans thought they could win by bombing Pearl Harbor!
 
2013-10-03 03:22:10 PM  

Alphax: Someone needs to tell the Republicans what Tony Stark told Loki.. There's no throne, no possibility in which you come out ahead.


Too bad there's not a Hulk to body slam them like a rag doll and the mutter "Puny GOP" afterward..
 
2013-10-03 03:26:49 PM  

WayToBlue: SkinnyHead

The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution. You don't need to take a poll to know that. They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.

You mean a solution to the problem they caused, after getting all of what they wanted in budget cuts (you know the actual point of a budget CR)? That's the problem they're looking to "solve," right?

If I mug you and then you catch up with me, is it appropriate for me to ask to keep half of your money? Do I get to say you aren't working for a solution if you refuse? Why aren't you working with me, just give me half your money and this can be over!


The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse that exists between the House and Senate when it comes to ironing out differences in the provisions of the continuing resolution.  The House is willing to compromise but the Senate is not.  That's the problem.  Your mugging analogy is completely off track.  Harry Reid does not own the government. The House is not trying to take something that belongs to Harry Reid. The Constitution requires the agreement of both houses to fund the government.  One side is trying to do that and the other side is not.  Harry Reid has shut down the government because he stubbornly refuses to work with the House.
 
2013-10-03 03:32:32 PM  

SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse that exists between the House and Senate when it comes to ironing out differences in the provisions of the continuing resolution.  The House is willing to compromise but the Senate is not.  That's the problem.  Your mugging analogy is completely off track.  Harry Reid does not own the government. The House is not trying to take something that belongs to Harry Reid. The Constitution requires the agreement of both houses to fund the government.  One side is trying to do that and the other side is not.  Harry Reid has shut down the government because he stubbornly refuses to work with the House.


And he's done that by giving the Boehner a clean CR which has the necessary votes in the House to pass, but for some reason, he refuses to bring it up for a vote.
 
Bf+
2013-10-03 03:32:56 PM  

SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve

...

No need to read further.
 
2013-10-03 03:51:11 PM  

quizzical: My favorite part of that exchange is "I don't think they poll tested 'we won't negotiate.' I think it's awful for them to say that over and over again." Because where are their heads at, that they're worried about poll testing phrases in this middle of this crisis of government?  And it also seems to indicate that they think "We won't negotiate" is just a Democratic catchphrase instead of a firm position that Republicans must acknowledge so they can decide whether they want to perpetuate the situation.


Didn't the Republicans deride Clinton for governing around polls? Amazing the balls these people have.
 
2013-10-03 03:51:47 PM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: I am convinced that the Republicans don't want to lead the people, they want to rule them.


Close but not quite.  Their agenda is to enable those who would (and to a significant degree already do) rule the people.
 
2013-10-03 03:52:03 PM  

Bf+: SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve...

No need to read further.


It's like a scene I remember from my days abroad. A friend walks into my room where a few of us are hanging out. His brow is furrowed and he's working on something fist-sized in his hands. As we're talking, he suddenly exclaims "AHA!"

So we ask: "Fixed it?"

And he answers: "Nope, broke it."

// the GOP wants closure
// but they're not about to open themselves up to political attacks when their strategy doesn't work, so if they break it once and for all, the issue is settled
// ONCE AND FOR ALL
 
2013-10-03 03:54:05 PM  

palelizard: GameSprocket: wooden_badger: GameSprocket: SkinnyHead: The American people expect the two side to work together to find a solution.  You don't need to take a poll to know that.  They can see which side is trying to work for a solution and which side is not.

Everyone appreciates a politician who negotiates!
[i68.photobucket.com image 850x850]

Ah yes, Britain's great pre-war joke.

/Hitler's dog had no nose.

How did it smell?

Shower fresh.


Awful
 
2013-10-03 03:54:35 PM  

Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.


That line sums up everything. All they want is to "win." Largely it's true of both sides. They don't care about what's good for the people of this country, just about winning for their team,
 
2013-10-03 04:00:02 PM  

SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse that exists between the House and Senate when it comes to ironing out differences in the provisions of the continuing resolution.  The House is willing to compromise but the Senate is not.  That's the problem.  Your mugging analogy is completely off track.  Harry Reid does not own the government. The House is not trying to take something that belongs to Harry Reid. The Constitution requires the agreement of both houses to fund the government.  One side is trying to do that and the other side is not.  Harry Reid has shut down the government because he stubbornly refuses to work with the House.



No, the Republicans are trying to tie something to the CR that has no business being there...they're trying to change a settled law by holding the government hostage.  They have reasonable changes to propose?  Great, go through the proper channels to do so!  The Democrats should never compromise when tactics like this are used, or they will do it every single time they don't get their way.
 
2013-10-03 04:01:10 PM  

timswar: Largely it's true of both sides.


No, this line sums up everything. Both Sides Are Roughly Equally Bad is utter horseshiat.
 
2013-10-03 04:07:38 PM  

Mjeck: I'm detecting Conservative humor


Leave me out of this.
 
2013-10-03 04:08:04 PM  
Please, Skinny.  Continue.

img.fark.net
 
2013-10-03 04:09:53 PM  
max_pooper:Mods insists there are no trolls on Fark.

www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

There are no trolls on Fark.
 
2013-10-03 04:11:04 PM  

Conservative Humor: Mjeck: I'm detecting Conservative humor

Leave me out of this.


You don't exist, go away!
 
2013-10-03 04:13:35 PM  

glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.


There's nothing to compromise on. The Republicans are offering literally nothing besides "give us everything we want or we ruin the world economy."

ACA is a settled law, duly passed by Congress and found to be Constitutional.

It's already gone into effect and is funded outside of anything that would be effected by the CR. The forty-some-odd attempts at repeal have not worked because they simply can't get past the Senate, let alone the President. It's a LOST CAUSE. The entire reason for this shutdown is to extort Congress and the Senate to agree to killing the ACA, or else the world economy gets it.

There's LITERALLY no moral ground for Republicans to stand on here, and that's not even taking into consideration the economic and social fallout we're already feeling from the shutdown.
 
2013-10-03 04:17:10 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.


Keep in mind this is a man capable of reading Atlas Shrugged and going "well THAT seems like a great idea! I will model my life and poltical philosophy after this book"  rather than "jusus what an intellectually bankrupt defense fo selfishness that steaming pile of crap was"
 
2013-10-03 04:22:06 PM  

SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse that exists between the House and Senate when it comes to ironing out differences in the provisions of the continuing resolution. The House is willing to compromise but the Senate is not. That's the problem. Your mugging analogy is completely off track. Harry Reid does not own the government. The House is not trying to take something that belongs to Harry Reid. The Constitution requires the agreement of both houses to fund the government. One side is trying to do that and the other side is not. Harry Reid has shut down the government because he stubbornly refuses to work with the House.


Yeah that horrible Harry Reid refused to pull out clauses from the Senate resolution which outlaw lead ammunition and clips/magazines over 2 bullets, mandate abortion for everyone under 21, and tax the JOB CREATORS 150% of their income.  Why can't that those damn Liberals just pass a clean bill of funding?!  They're being completely unreasonable with these demands!  DAMN YOU HARRY REID!
 
2013-10-03 04:23:09 PM  

Magorn: Voiceofreason01: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.

Keep in mind this is a man capable of reading Atlas Shrugged and going "well THAT seems like a great idea! I will model my life and poltical philosophy after this book"  rather than "jusus what an intellectually bankrupt defense fo selfishness that steaming pile of crap was"


I know at least 30 people, personally, who were very academically involved with Ayn Rand, but then we finished our reports, took a test, and moved on to Cold Sassy Tree.
 
2013-10-03 04:23:50 PM  

Magorn: Voiceofreason01: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.

Keep in mind this is a man capable of reading Atlas Shrugged and going "well THAT seems like a great idea! I will model my life and poltical philosophy after this book"  rather than "jusus what an intellectually bankrupt defense fo selfishness that steaming pile of crap was"


i1.ytimg.com

"Yes, at first I was happy to be learning how to read. It seemed exciting and magical, but then I read this:  Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of s**t, I am never reading again."
 
2013-10-03 04:27:28 PM  
"I think if we keep saying 'We wanted to defund it. We fought for that but now we're willing to compromise on this,' I think they can't -- we're gonna, I think -- well I know we don't want to be here, but we're gonna win this I think," he said.

Don't stop believing....
 
2013-10-03 04:29:07 PM  

Strolpol: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

There's nothing to compromise on. The Republicans are offering literally nothing besides "give us everything we want or we ruin the world economy."

ACA is a settled law, duly passed by Congress and found to be Constitutional.

It's already gone into effect and is funded outside of anything that would be effected by the CR. The forty-some-odd attempts at repeal have not worked because they simply can't get past the Senate, let alone the President. It's a LOST CAUSE. The entire reason for this shutdown is to extort Congress and the Senate to agree to killing the ACA, or else the world economy gets it.

There's LITERALLY no moral ground for Republicans to stand on here, and that's not even taking into consideration the economic and social fallout we're already feeling from the shutdown.


There is something to compromise on though, and Democrats have compromised greatly. At the core, the Government is currently shut down because there is no appropriated budget. A clean CR would simply take the dollar amount the Government has been operating on and continue to fund the Government at those levels. Both Obama and the Democrat controlled Senate have proposed budgets with substantially larger annual spending amounts than what the current CR would be. The current CR is dollar amount is even larger than what the Ryan budget was for FY 14.

In agreeing to passing the clean CR, Democrats have agreed to spend significantly less money on Government services than the had proposed earlier. They are even agreeing to spend less than what the GOP has proposed in the past. Funding the Government at CR levels is already a huge concession on the part of the Democrats.
 
2013-10-03 04:29:45 PM  

bk3k: Yeah that horrible Harry Reid refused to pull out clauses from the Senate resolution which outlaw lead ammunition and clips/magazines over 2 bullets, mandate abortion for everyone under 21, and tax the JOB CREATORS 150% of their income.  Why can't that those damn Liberals just pass a clean bill of funding?!  They're being completely unreasonable with these demands!  DAMN YOU HARRY REID!


I think they should start adding those.  I don't really want those things, but every day the House doesn't give them the clean CR vote, they tack on a new condition the Republicans won't like.  "Okay, we were reasonable to begin with, now you're going to have to give us something to make up for wasting our time."
 
2013-10-03 04:31:02 PM  

anfrind: Conservative Humor: Mjeck: I'm detecting Conservative humor

Leave me out of this.

You don't exist, go away!


Come on, "Slimdown" was good. Had Fox going all day yesterday. Even libs thought it was hilarious.
 
2013-10-03 04:31:23 PM  

guestguy: SkinnyHead: The Republicans are trying to solve the impasse that exists between the House and Senate when it comes to ironing out differences in the provisions of the continuing resolution.  The House is willing to compromise but the Senate is not.  That's the problem.  Your mugging analogy is completely off track.  Harry Reid does not own the government. The House is not trying to take something that belongs to Harry Reid. The Constitution requires the agreement of both houses to fund the government.  One side is trying to do that and the other side is not.  Harry Reid has shut down the government because he stubbornly refuses to work with the House.

No, the Republicans are trying to tie something to the CR that has no business being there...they're trying to change a settled law by holding the government hostage.  They have reasonable changes to propose?  Great, go through the proper channels to do so!  The Democrats should never compromise when tactics like this are used, or they will do it every single time they don't get their way.


Who says that provisions cannot be attached to a CR?  Democrats have done it in the past.  It's not like some sort of criminal act.  The House has the same right to participate in decision making as the Senate.  The House is trying to work with the Senate to solve the impasse, but the Senate refuses to talk.
 
2013-10-03 04:32:29 PM  

error 303: Strolpol: glassa: NEITHER group wants to compromise.  NEITHER.

But only one side gets the blame for it.

At least Clinton was willing to talk & compromise.

They're all a bunch of spoiled children.

There's nothing to compromise on. The Republicans are offering literally nothing besides "give us everything we want or we ruin the world economy."

ACA is a settled law, duly passed by Congress and found to be Constitutional.

It's already gone into effect and is funded outside of anything that would be effected by the CR. The forty-some-odd attempts at repeal have not worked because they simply can't get past the Senate, let alone the President. It's a LOST CAUSE. The entire reason for this shutdown is to extort Congress and the Senate to agree to killing the ACA, or else the world economy gets it.

There's LITERALLY no moral ground for Republicans to stand on here, and that's not even taking into consideration the economic and social fallout we're already feeling from the shutdown.

There is something to compromise on though, and Democrats have compromised greatly. At the core, the Government is currently shut down because there is no appropriated budget. A clean CR would simply take the dollar amount the Government has been operating on and continue to fund the Government at those levels. Both Obama and the Democrat controlled Senate have proposed budgets with substantially larger annual spending amounts than what the current CR would be. The current CR is dollar amount is even larger than what the Ryan budget was for FY 14.

In agreeing to passing the clean CR, Democrats have agreed to spend significantly less money on Government services than the had proposed earlier. They are even agreeing to spend less than what the GOP has proposed in the past. Funding the Government at CR levels is already a huge concession on the part of the Democrats.


Well, my point was that since the Republicans are literally offering nothing besides a list of demands, it's not really a compromise. Hostage negotiation would be a more accurate moniker.
 
2013-10-03 04:32:48 PM  
Jesus Christ, the GOP is pathetic , but not nearly as pathetic as the farking cretins who are cheering them on at the moment.
 
2013-10-03 04:33:48 PM  

Magorn: Voiceofreason01: Ambivalence: "I think we're going to win this." I don't know how they can still think this.

The GOP leadership still thought Romney was going to win even as the polls started to come in. Never underestimate the power of denial.

Keep in mind this is a man capable of reading Atlas Shrugged and going "well THAT seems like a great idea! I will model my life and poltical philosophy after this book"  rather than "jusus what an intellectually bankrupt defense fo selfishness that steaming pile of crap was"


I watching videos of C. Hitchens yesterday, and I am reminded of his remarks on Ayn Rand's The Virtue of Selfishness. Hitchens goes on to say, " I don't think there needs to be any essays advocating selfishness among human beings,  I don't know what your impression has been but some things require no further reinforcement."
 
2013-10-03 04:38:44 PM  

palelizard: bk3k: Yeah that horrible Harry Reid refused to pull out clauses from the Senate resolution which outlaw lead ammunition and clips/magazines over 2 bullets, mandate abortion for everyone under 21, and tax the JOB CREATORS 150% of their income.  Why can't that those damn Liberals just pass a clean bill of funding?!  They're being completely unreasonable with these demands!  DAMN YOU HARRY REID!

I think they should start adding those.  I don't really want those things, but every day the House doesn't give them the clean CR vote, they tack on a new condition the Republicans won't like.  "Okay, we were reasonable to begin with, now you're going to have to give us something to make up for wasting our time."


They could at least tack on additional funding for education, infrastructure, and other investments.  Maybe tack on an "end the sequester" provision or even a new stimulus.  And the list could keep growing every day.
 
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