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(News Daily)   Thoughtful things you can do for your neighbors: bake a casserole, mow their grass, promise not to murder them for three days as they grieve over the blood-feud inspired suicide of their mother   (newsdaily.com) divider line 34
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2013-10-03 12:41:19 PM  
Culling the herd.
 
2013-10-03 12:42:35 PM  
Nikolin!  Can you run out and get the mail for me?

/It's only a few metres (yards) to the mailbox.
 
2013-10-03 12:42:50 PM  
Great reality show potential
 
2013-10-03 12:43:55 PM  
Well, three days is traditional and customary.
 
2013-10-03 12:45:54 PM  
The important question the article fails to answer is whether the Forms of Kanly are being obeyed
 
2013-10-03 12:47:14 PM  
FTA: Albanians still respect the tradition of vendetta, which dates back to the 15th century and spares no male in a family, including babies.

Apparently "Albanian" is just another word for idiot.
 
2013-10-03 12:51:11 PM  
It's the Hatfieldmovics vs the McCoyraktaris.
 
2013-10-03 12:54:25 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Knows a little bit about the forms of Kanly.
 
2013-10-03 12:55:07 PM  

Magorn: The important question the article fails to answer is whether the Forms of Kanly are being obeyed


Darn it.  Shouldn't have googled whether it had one L or two.
 
2013-10-03 12:55:29 PM  
There has to be a guy out there named Al Bania. He probably goes by Alan. Or Alfred.
 
2013-10-03 12:56:41 PM  
Maybe Albert?
 
2013-10-03 01:01:39 PM  
AFAIK, this is not something that the Albanians dreamed up, independently of other societies. This is pretty much how everyone lived up until the invention of the modern police force.

"The Middle Ages, from beginning to end, and particularly the feudal era, lived under the sign of private vengeance. The onus, of course, lay above all on the wronged individual; vengeance was imposed on him as the most sacred of duties ... The solitary individual, however, could do but little. Moreover, it was most commonly a death that had to be avenged. In this case the family group went into action and the faide (feud) came into being . . ."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud#Famous_blood_feuds

It hasn't gone completely away today, even in the US:

Before heading into the mountains, strangers often ask whether they should be concerned about their safety.
"Only if you are related to somebody," said Jane Bagby, assistant director of the Appalachian Center at the University of Kentucky.
 
2013-10-03 01:03:55 PM  
Is it bad that I originally read the headline as "Doomed lives of Alabama's children of vendetta"?

I thought it was odd. Nikolin and Amarildo aren't your standard southern names.
 
2013-10-03 01:14:40 PM  
Godforsaken subhuman savages, why we even bother to help those useless primitives from Africa*spittake.jpg*

Albania? White people? How is this POSSIBLE????
 
2013-10-03 01:29:02 PM  
This is a very sad story on so many levels. WTF Albania?
 
2013-10-03 01:34:53 PM  
Ok.... Terrible as this whole situation is, if this "mother" really, really, really cared about her family, and was so distraught that she was going to end herself anyway, why on earth wouldn't she just go outside and garden, and wait to be martyred for her families sake, thereby freeing them from a life of captivity?
 
2013-10-03 01:37:15 PM  

Jocktopus: [upload.wikimedia.org image 356x287]

Knows a little bit about the forms of Kanly.


Chaumurky is one of the accepted forms.
 
2013-10-03 01:42:01 PM  
 
2013-10-03 01:50:05 PM  
I thought they just had to stay out of the sun

You're talking about the folks with all white hair, pink eye, right?
 
2013-10-03 01:54:36 PM  
This is the same kind of ignorance that fuels religious nuts- "Born in Hate".
Seems like the only way to break that would be to relocate them all to opposite sides of the country....
until one side become more powerful and attacks the other out of hate.
 
2013-10-03 02:07:31 PM  

booger42: I thought they just had to stay out of the sun

You're talking about the folks with all white hair, pink eye, right?


Those are albanos. You know, like Captain Lou.
 
2013-10-03 02:10:03 PM  
FTFA:

"I did not want to kill him, just to prevent him from passing in front of my school any more."
But Vekaj missed his target and killed a passer-by.

So doesn't that stack the passer-by's family against this moron? This might never end.
 
2013-10-03 02:18:59 PM  
If you give them an Xbox, they won't want to go outside anyway.
 
2013-10-03 02:39:20 PM  

buckstar: Ok.... Terrible as this whole situation is, if this "mother" really, really, really cared about her family, and was so distraught that she was going to end herself anyway, why on earth wouldn't she just go outside and garden, and wait to be martyred for her families sake, thereby freeing them from a life of captivity?


And just how is this supposed to work?
 
2013-10-03 02:44:55 PM  

draypresct: AFAIK, this is not something that the Albanians dreamed up, independently of other societies. This is pretty much how everyone lived up until the invention of the modern police force.

"The Middle Ages, from beginning to end, and particularly the feudal era, lived under the sign of private vengeance. The onus, of course, lay above all on the wronged individual; vengeance was imposed on him as the most sacred of duties ... The solitary individual, however, could do but little. Moreover, it was most commonly a death that had to be avenged. In this case the family group went into action and the faide (feud) came into being . . ."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud#Famous_blood_feuds

It hasn't gone completely away today, even in the US:

Before heading into the mountains, strangers often ask whether they should be concerned about their safety.
"Only if you are related to somebody," said Jane Bagby, assistant director of the Appalachian Center at the University of Kentucky.


actually the Nordic societies, as far back as the 600's AD, though often derided as violent barbarians were pioneers in stamping out the practice of blood-fueds.   They did this by allowing weregild or blood money to be offered and taken as a way to satisfy the honor of the harmed party in lieu of physical vengance..  The concept in many ways formed the philosophical basis first of our tort law system, and began the shift away from enforcement of criminal law as a matter of private vengance to one that was the responsibility of firts the king, and then later, the state.


What you are seeing in Albania is a reversion to old forms as there is a growing perception that the state is failed, unjust or powerless.

And before you feel smug about that, ask yourself how this is any different than the fueds between Bloods and Crips or Latin Kings and Ms-13 that  mar the streets of US cities
 
2013-10-03 02:51:22 PM  

Magorn: And before you feel smug about that, ask yourself how this is any different than the fueds between Bloods and Crips or Latin Kings and Ms-13 that mar the streets of US cities


I think my Appalachian example fits this description better. The gang wars you describe are what happens when you completely de-regulate a business sector. They're typically not family feuds.
 
2013-10-03 03:10:06 PM  
Magorn

And before you feel smug about that, ask yourself how this is any different than the fueds between Bloods and Crips or Latin Kings and Ms-13 that mar the streets of US cities


oh! I know! because gangs murder for money, deal drugs, intimidate and thrive on "respect" from fear of reprisals on the rest of the community not just fear from one particular family. The only thing that's on par for them in my opinion, is the level of ignorance both groups portray.

Gang members are terrorists not ideologists or traditionalists.
 
2013-10-03 03:39:17 PM  

Magorn: What you are seeing in Albania is a reversion to old forms as there is a growing perception that the state is failed, unjust or powerless.


Bullshiat. The murderer in this case was sentenced to 25 years in jail. This is about is petulance, irrationality, and barbarism. There is nothing that justifies this type of behavior, regardless of where or what context it takes place in, and blaming it on a lack of justice is the same type of cultural relativism that people have used to try and justify genocide in places like Rwanda and Bosnia.
 
2013-10-03 04:04:28 PM  
Onassis Greek Blood Feud with Joe Kennedy

/cost Jack and Bobby their lives
//and John John
 
2013-10-03 05:02:12 PM  

Dirtybird971: Magorn

And before you feel smug about that, ask yourself how this is any different than the fueds between Bloods and Crips or Latin Kings and Ms-13 that mar the streets of US cities

oh! I know! because gangs murder for money, deal drugs, intimidate and thrive on "respect" from fear of reprisals on the rest of the community not just fear from one particular family. The only thing that's on par for them in my opinion, is the level of ignorance both groups portray.

Gang members are terrorists not ideologists or traditionalists.


But ideologists or traditionalists can be terrorists.
 
2013-10-03 05:09:24 PM  
Mazzafackas!
 
2013-10-03 09:46:12 PM  

Magorn: draypresct: AFAIK, this is not something that the Albanians dreamed up, independently of other societies. This is pretty much how everyone lived up until the invention of the modern police force.

"The Middle Ages, from beginning to end, and particularly the feudal era, lived under the sign of private vengeance. The onus, of course, lay above all on the wronged individual; vengeance was imposed on him as the most sacred of duties ... The solitary individual, however, could do but little. Moreover, it was most commonly a death that had to be avenged. In this case the family group went into action and the faide (feud) came into being . . ."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud#Famous_blood_feuds

It hasn't gone completely away today, even in the US:

Before heading into the mountains, strangers often ask whether they should be concerned about their safety.
"Only if you are related to somebody," said Jane Bagby, assistant director of the Appalachian Center at the University of Kentucky.

actually the Nordic societies, as far back as the 600's AD, though often derided as violent barbarians were pioneers in stamping out the practice of blood-fueds.   They did this by allowing weregild or blood money to be offered and taken as a way to satisfy the honor of the harmed party in lieu of physical vengance..  The concept in many ways formed the philosophical basis first of our tort law system, and began the shift away from enforcement of criminal law as a matter of private vengance to one that was the responsibility of firts the king, and then later, the state.


What you are seeing in Albania is a reversion to old forms as there is a growing perception that the state is failed, unjust or powerless.

And before you feel smug about that, ask yourself how this is any different than the fueds between Bloods and Crips or Latin Kings and Ms-13 that  mar the streets of US cities


Weregild was actually quite common across all the Germanic tribes, including the Angles and Saxons, 1,000 years ago. Even in backward societies plenty of people have known that this shiat is a bad idea for a long, long time.
 
2013-10-04 04:27:23 AM  
Well the mum wasted an opportunity there didn't she - why not go on a suicide mission into the neighbour's house (either with a shotgun or an explosive vest)?  When it comes to insane tribal behaviour like this, the only way to be save is to kill all your neighbours.  The boys should have at least used the three day lull to go slit some throats in the night (at least that way they would have been outside.)
 
2013-10-04 11:43:50 AM  
I am probably just kidding myself here, but I like to think I'd just take a chance of dying rather than never leave my house ever, for the rest of my life. Everyone is permanently imprisoned and the children have no opportunity for happiness, education, marriage, or life.

Someone in the family is supposed to bite the bullet and free everyone else. The patriarch can't leave and work because he'll be killed? Back someone into a corner hard enough and they'll come out blasting. It's up the Dad to figure out how to kill that family enforcing the vendetta.

If they kill him, does his family get a double-secret, reverse vendetta against all the survivors in the opposing family? This shiat is stupid.
 
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