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(Network World)   Yale professor flattens Microsoft in 'Bing It On' smackdown   (networkworld.com) divider line 26
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2013-10-03 09:07:24 AM
I mostly use Duckduckgo anymore, it lets me actually focus on what I want to search.  Bing and Yahoo are OK sometimes.  Google just won't stop farking with the home screen and hiding the user interface and ignoring what I want, like it assumes I don't know how to farking spell.  Specialty search like Google Patents kick ass though, none of the others have anything close.
 
2013-10-03 09:15:31 AM

Bacontastesgood: Duckduckgo


I'm going to have try that out. Google has been severely pissing me off as of late, not just because of search change (Google Images is mostly useless on a phone), but also with the constant harassment about joining Google+ and using my real name on Youtube.
 
2013-10-03 09:17:27 AM
Google is OK but I find that most of the time I use it it's something like typing 'subject wikipedia' into my address bar in chrome because it's faster than going to Wikipedia and then searching for what I want.  If I really want to search something I quickly get annoyed with the number of bullshiat links that Google tosses out.  Google's newer features that give you answers to questions without having to go to a page are nice though.  Like if I wanted to know when a movie or video game is coming out or something.  That's a nice feature.
 
2013-10-03 09:26:16 AM
I tend to use whatever the browser's search is set to.  Sometimes it's Bing and sometimes it's Google, if I can't find something in one, I'll set it to search the other and then forget about it until the next time I can't find something.  The cycle repeats.

Bing is better for porn.
 
2013-10-03 09:35:37 AM
My friends and I all tried BingItOn, and we were pretty unanamous in liking google better.,
 
2013-10-03 09:36:31 AM
I can't believe Bing has 18% market share.  That's a lot of lazy people.
 
2013-10-03 09:50:18 AM
I use Bing because rewards. They are both equally good at turning up what I need, and Bing bribes me, so the choice was pretty clear.
 
2013-10-03 10:02:19 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if the highest searched terms under bing are firefox/chrome/google just because of startup machines.
 
2013-10-03 10:15:19 AM

skozlaw: but also with the constant harassment about joining Google+ and using my real name on Youtube.


This is really, really, starting to tick me the fark off.  I imagine I'm not the only one.
 
2013-10-03 10:42:18 AM
So Microsoft stands behind their research for BingItOn?  Good for them.

Is that the same research that shows Windows 8 would be a good idea and really popular?

Maybe they used the same research group that surveyed likely console owners to see what features they would like in the XBone?  You know the ones that were so popular when first announced?

I know...maybe it is the same research that shows IE is completely secure when compared to FF and Chrome.

Produce your research methodology and FULL results and then we will talk.

Until then, I am going to go woth the guy at Harvard's research results and say you are full of shiat.
 
2013-10-03 11:04:06 AM
Google has never let me down when searching for something. Never tried Bing, don't care too. If it works, why switch?
 
2013-10-03 11:06:34 AM

bluenote13: Is that the same research that shows Windows 8 would be a good idea and really popular?


Lets be honest here at least 90% of the windows 8 butthurt is because of the start menu. The start menu sucks so hard I could never have imagined that people would be so butthurt about losing it either.
 
2013-10-03 11:13:09 AM

Egoy3k: bluenote13: Is that the same research that shows Windows 8 would be a good idea and really popular?

Lets be honest here at least 90% of the windows 8 butthurt is because of the start menu. The start menu sucks so hard I could never have imagined that people would be so butthurt about losing it either.


 My complaints about Windows 8 have nothing to do with the start button, that is easily fixed.  My issue was that they designed an entire OS around tablet/smart phone usage and forced it on to desktops.
 
2013-10-03 11:27:01 AM
Both let me find porn, both can get me directions to places where I can buy more porn, both help me find booze.

Not really concerned about either engine.  Both work fine for me.
 
2013-10-03 11:33:04 AM
The response from Google pretty much sums up my feelings on this:

I have to admit that I never bothered to debunk the Bing It On challenge, because the flaws (small sample size; bias in query selection; stripping out features of Google like geolocation, personalization, and Knowledge Graph; wording of the site; selective rematches) were pretty obvious.

... basically "why even bother 'debunking' this?  It's an obvious lie, made even more obvious by the fact that it's an ad campaign with no actual researchers involved."

What's next from this guy, he gonna investigate "more taste, less filling"?  Advertising claims are not factual, ever, get over it.
 
2013-10-03 11:54:50 AM
I'm a SysAdmin for a web development group.  I routinely install IE, Firefox, and Chrome so that we can test in several browsers.  (Many of our customers are government and are mandated to use IE; we've developed for smartphones, too.)

When I build a baseline image, I add Google as the default search and Wikipedia as a secondary search.  Users are free to add others.

My biggest gripe with Bing is that on several setups with IE 9, after I set Google I get an alarmist error message that says (paraphrasing) "Something has *Corrupted* your search settings!  I'll set the search back to *Bing*, as God intended.  You're welcome!"  This happens every time I try and shift the default.

They can farking Bite Me.
 
2013-10-03 12:12:33 PM

bluenote13: Egoy3k: bluenote13: Is that the same research that shows Windows 8 would be a good idea and really popular?

Lets be honest here at least 90% of the windows 8 butthurt is because of the start menu. The start menu sucks so hard I could never have imagined that people would be so butthurt about losing it either.

 My complaints about Windows 8 have nothing to do with the start button, that is easily fixed.  My issue was that they designed an entire OS around tablet/smart phone usage and forced it on to desktops.


....by removing the start menu.
 
2013-10-03 01:02:46 PM

Jim_Callahan: The response from Google pretty much sums up my feelings on this:

I have to admit that I never bothered to debunk the Bing It On challenge, because the flaws (small sample size; bias in query selection; stripping out features of Google like geolocation, personalization, and Knowledge Graph; wording of the site; selective rematches) were pretty obvious.

... basically "why even bother 'debunking' this?  It's an obvious lie, made even more obvious by the fact that it's an ad campaign with no actual researchers involved."

What's next from this guy, he gonna investigate "more taste, less filling"?  Advertising claims are not factual, ever, get over it.


This is pretty much when I thought.  It's a stupid advertisement, who cares what they claim.  Who cares what search engine people use?  If you defend one search engine over another one, you need to rethink your life choices.
 
2013-10-03 01:03:14 PM
I use Bing for image searches. Google screwed up GIS a while back.
 
2013-10-03 01:15:39 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Google screwed up GIS a while back


It actually works pretty well if you turn off scripting on Google.com. You just get back to the nice, clean, tabular page of thumbnails to click instead of that godawful clusterfark of CSS and JavaScript that they turned it into.

In fact, ever since I removed google.com's trust from NoScript my Google experience has improved dramatically.
 
2013-10-03 03:23:20 PM

Egoy3k: bluenote13: Egoy3k: bluenote13: Is that the same research that shows Windows 8 would be a good idea and really popular?

Lets be honest here at least 90% of the windows 8 butthurt is because of the start menu. The start menu sucks so hard I could never have imagined that people would be so butthurt about losing it either.

 My complaints about Windows 8 have nothing to do with the start button, that is easily fixed.  My issue was that they designed an entire OS around tablet/smart phone usage and forced it on to desktops.

....by removing the start menu.


By creating that god-awful tile layout on a desktop.
 
2013-10-03 03:32:06 PM

bluenote13: Egoy3k: bluenote13: Egoy3k: bluenote13: Is that the same research that shows Windows 8 would be a good idea and really popular?

Lets be honest here at least 90% of the windows 8 butthurt is because of the start menu. The start menu sucks so hard I could never have imagined that people would be so butthurt about losing it either.

 My complaints about Windows 8 have nothing to do with the start button, that is easily fixed.  My issue was that they designed an entire OS around tablet/smart phone usage and forced it on to desktops.

....by removing the start menu.

By creating that god-awful tile layout on a desktop.


...which is a replacement for the start menu.
 
2013-10-03 09:09:03 PM

Egoy3k: Lets be honest here at least 90% of the windows 8 butthurt is because of the start menu. The start menu sucks so hard I could never have imagined that people would be so butthurt about losing it either.


Remind me again, was the term "butthurt" coined by Don Norman in "The Design of Everyday Things", or does it go back to Englebart's research on human-computer interface?
 
2013-10-03 10:08:27 PM
First, Microsoft responded rightly to this chucklehead:

"The professor's analysis is flawed and based on an incomplete understanding of both the claims and the Challenge," says Matt Wallaert, a behavioral scientist for Bing. "The Bing It On claim is 100% accurate and we're glad to see we've nudged Google into improving their results.  Bing it On is intended to be a lightweight way to challenge peoples' assumptions about which search engine actually provides the best results. Given our share gains, it's clear that people are recognizing our quality and unique approach to what has been a relatively static space dominated by a single service."

Then, the name hit me - Ian Ayers. Where have I heard that name before?

Oh, yeah! He was the guy at Yale that makes a huge amount of money through prolific publishing, and who  got caught plagarizing other publications.

Why do I care what this choad thinks? This is like having Dr. Phil doubt the accuracy of a peer-reviewed cancer research study because he did a single test on the rats in his basement.
 
2013-10-03 11:46:27 PM
Am I the only one who hates the "Bing Taste Test" advertisements simply because of how blatantly made-up BS they are to the point of insulting my intelligence?

Cause I can't stand that shiat.
 
2013-10-04 04:35:50 AM
100% of my bing searches have been after something surreptitiously changed my omnibox default search. I took that blind test when it first came out and Google won by a landslide. I am really pissed off at Google for the "real name only, no nicknames, link all your accounts, everything will be fine!" policy.
 
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