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(Telegraph)   Well, that'll put a damper on everyone farting rainbows over Iran's recent make-nice diplomacy   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 70
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2013-10-03 08:59:39 AM

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Greek: HotWingConspiracy: The nation that has its leader routinely threaten military action at the floor of the UN is the one interested in peace.

Well, we'll see if that continues under the new guy. So far, he does seem to be an improvement over imadinnerplate.

I was talking about Bibi.

The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.

That's because they are faced with the same kind of diplomacy that anti-gun people use.  They want to take the whole cake but will compromise and take just half this time.  The next time they want the other half but will compromise and only take a quarter while giving none of the first half back.  Rinse, repeat.

It's completely one sided diplomacy, Israel gives up territory and they stop threatening them until they decide they want Israel to give up more territory.


It's kinda nice how they can defy the law of physics. Give up territory yet keeps building settlements.
 
2013-10-03 09:08:04 AM

Callous: HotWingConspiracy: Greek: HotWingConspiracy: The nation that has its leader routinely threaten military action at the floor of the UN is the one interested in peace.

Well, we'll see if that continues under the new guy. So far, he does seem to be an improvement over imadinnerplate.

I was talking about Bibi.

The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.

That's because they are faced with the same kind of diplomacy that anti-gun people use.  They want to take the whole cake but will compromise and take just half this time.  The next time they want the other half but will compromise and only take a quarter while giving none of the first half back.  Rinse, repeat.

It's completely one sided diplomacy, Israel gives up territory and they stop threatening them until they decide they want Israel to give up more territory.


Iran isn't Palestine.
 
2013-10-03 09:10:09 AM

way south: LordJiro: IdBeCrazyIf: HotWingConspiracy: The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.

It's all talk at this point, when push comes to shove they'll tow the line if Iran comes to the table with real negotiations.

Which is why Israel is doing everything in its power to prevent real negotiations. I'm not a foreign government, but if I somehow was one, I don't think massive propaganda campaigns against me, assassinations of my officials, and sabotage would put me in much of a negotiatin' mood.

Only because you don't want to negotiate and never did. Which is why bad things are happening.

Its no mystery why Iran is in the spot it is.  They aggravate their neighbors with missile tests, thumb their nose at the UN with its nuclear program, and get directly involved in civil wars by training soldiers and selling weapons.
So, yea, someone takes another shot at them and that's the only reason they won't come to a table that's been open for the better part of three decades... Or it could be that they've ignored a list of requests from the world for them tostop being dickheads.

If they tackle any one item the problem starts to go away.   Instead they've made it more of a point to escalate by recently adding hacking to their list of annoying behaviors.

That doesn't put anyone else in a negotiating mood either.

/No, we won't bring candy and flowers and ask for you to join us for negotiations over lunch.
/We send a memo that says "See this shiat? STOP IT!"
/Some people send their memos with a supersonic projectile...


Hard to decide if you're talking about Iran or the US
 
2013-10-03 09:18:28 AM
Kibbler

Yes, subby, the only path to freedom is to keep threatening imminent death on Iran, 24/7. We need to treat them like we did Saddam

derp derp derp...

We'll have peace in our time.
 
2013-10-03 09:22:11 AM
Iranian Diplomacy in Six Easy Steps

1: Don't give up your nukes
2: Offer to negotiate to give them up because sanctions
3: Kill off that guy who hasn't been doing his job
4: Obviously Israeli is doing this claim
5. Don't give up your nukes
6: Claim it's not your fault you're being attacked while you try to make peace
 
2013-10-03 09:31:34 AM
The only people farting rainbows are conservative pundits calling out imaginary liberals. Well, not so much rainbows as b.s.
 
2013-10-03 09:32:20 AM
Maybe- and I realize this is kind of a stretch- but maybe the reason Iran's starting to make nice is that they're tired of outside agencies* killing various mambers of their government.

*[I_bet_the_Jews_did_this.jpg]
 
2013-10-03 10:06:54 AM

vpb: Yes, the fact that the Mossad is killing Iranians means that they must be up to no good. There is no other possibility.


Never mind that Iranian agents (albeit not under tight control) have killed far more Israelis.

ModernLuddite: It's hard to be anti-Israel without being accused of, or perceived as, anti-Semitic. Which sucks, Because as complex as the situation is, and as difficult a position as Israel is in, sometimes they just don't help matters.


Israel understands that the talks are just a sham.  The west does not--and clearly illustrates the fool-me-twice bit.

SirVagTheTighty: Executing folks like that outside a time of war should get the harshest global punishments to the offending nation


Iran gets no punishment for all the Israelis their puppets kill.

LordJiro: Which is why Israel is doing everything in its power to prevent real negotiations. I'm not a foreign government, but if I somehow was one, I don't think massive propaganda campaigns against me, assassinations of my officials, and sabotage would put me in much of a negotiatin' mood.


They're not trying to prevent negotiations.  They just know the negotiations are a sham and don't stand down in the hope they'll accomplish something.

mayIFark: It's kinda nice how they can defy the law of physics. Give up territory yet keeps building settlements.


The reality is that the "settlements" are being built within areas that have long been under Israeli control and no doubt will remain so under any reasonable peace agreement (not that there will be such, anyway.)
 
2013-10-03 10:30:13 AM

Loren: ModernLuddite: It's hard to be anti-Israel without being accused of, or perceived as, anti-Semitic. Which sucks, Because as complex as the situation is, and as difficult a position as Israel is in, sometimes they just don't help matters.

Israel understands that the talks are just a sham.  The west does not--and clearly illustrates the fool-me-twice bit.


Or "west" (whatever that is) realizes that rejecting talks straight up is bad PR
 
2013-10-03 10:47:06 AM

HotWingConspiracy: The nation that has its leader routinely threaten military action at the floor of the UN is the one interested in peace.


In fairness, Bush is no longer our leader.
 
2013-10-03 10:52:30 AM

Hobodeluxe: TuteTibiImperes: The Israelis don't mess around when it comes to nations that publicly call for their annihilation.

actually that's not what he said. but you go on anyway because you're already convinced that it "feels" correct.


And when they chant "Death to America" every weekend, obviously they're actually saying "The to America."

/when someone tells you they are going to kill you, believe them
//even if everyone else thinks it's just a joke, just political rhetoric, clearly they're not serious because the Reich's entire economy would collapse if the Furher went through with it
///believe it... or die
 
2013-10-03 10:54:48 AM

ModernLuddite: It's hard to be anti-Israel without being accused of, or perceived as, anti-Semitic. Which sucks, Because as complex as the situation is, and as difficult a position as Israel is in, sometimes they just don't help matters.


Your wishy-washy apologist faux-opposition to Israel is noted, you farking AIPAC tool.
 
2013-10-03 11:18:23 AM
He's probably the one surfing all that gay porn.
 
2013-10-03 11:24:23 AM
I've worked in IT for 20 years.

If you kill the head manager of any IT organization all you did was make them more efficient.  Do you have any idea how many "Status update" meetings just got canceled?

If you want to slow them down, make them hire MORE management.
 
2013-10-03 12:02:59 PM
Cyber chief is virtually pining for the fjords.
 
2013-10-03 12:17:26 PM

ModernLuddite: It's hard to be anti-Israel without being accused of, or perceived as, anti-Semitic. Which sucks, Because as complex as the situation is, and as difficult a position as Israel is in, sometimes they just don't help matters.


not Israel, Israel hard-derp leader Netanyahu, the one who put all his eggs in the "Obama will be a one-term president" basket on his US relationship, and seems to have no interest in diplomacy whatsoever. he is so pissed that Iran is refusing to act in their assigned role as irrational boogeyman, that I honestly believe is willing to provoke a war with Iran just to say "see? I told you they were violent"
 
2013-10-03 03:47:17 PM

Magorn: not Israel, Israel hard-derp leader Netanyahu, the one who put all his eggs in the "Obama will be a one-term president" basket on his US relationship, and seems to have no interest in diplomacy whatsoever. he is so pissed that Iran is refusing to act in their assigned role as irrational boogeyman, that I honestly believe is willing to provoke a war with Iran just to say "see? I told you they were violent"


Do you intentionally ignore the last six time Iran did the "no..no..let's negotiate! we are serious this time!" bit and used negotiations to get more time to work on their nuclear weapons program until even the UN IAEA chief called them up on it ?

Do you intentionally ignore Iran's very active role in every major conflict in the region, from funding, training and commanding Hezbollah, funding and training Hamas, Iranian troops currently busy slaughtering Sunnis in Syria etc ?

Or all this is news to you and you're just clueless ?
 
2013-10-03 04:08:07 PM

TappingTheVein: Magorn: not Israel, Israel hard-derp leader Netanyahu, the one who put all his eggs in the "Obama will be a one-term president" basket on his US relationship, and seems to have no interest in diplomacy whatsoever. he is so pissed that Iran is refusing to act in their assigned role as irrational boogeyman, that I honestly believe is willing to provoke a war with Iran just to say "see? I told you they were violent"

Do you intentionally ignore the last six time Iran did the "no..no..let's negotiate! we are serious this time!" bit and used negotiations to get more time to work on their nuclear weapons program until even the UN IAEA chief called them up on it ?

Do you intentionally ignore Iran's very active role in every major conflict in the region, from funding, training and commanding Hezbollah, funding and training Hamas, Iranian troops currently busy slaughtering Sunnis in Syria etc ?

Or all this is news to you and you're just clueless ?


As the Iranian diplomat at the Un pointed out the Other day , IRAN has never launched pre-emeptive airstrikes on it neighbors or invaded a neigboring country, IRAN didn;t give chemical weapons to Saddam hussien.  Israel cannot make that claim.
 
2013-10-03 04:51:24 PM

Magorn: As the Iranian diplomat at the Un pointed out the Other day , IRAN has never launched pre-emeptive airstrikes on it neighbors or invaded a neigboring country, IRAN didn;t give chemical weapons to Saddam hussien.  Israel cannot make that claim.


Of course not, that's what proxy terrorist organizations are for.
So you chose to ignore everything i said about Iran's involvement in regional conflicts via their proxy terrorist organizations, including direct Iranian troops on the ground and ignore Iran's tried and true "negotiations" stalling for time tactic. Figures.
 
2013-10-04 04:31:57 AM

HotWingConspiracy: The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.


How far detached from reality can you be ? i already proved that you are clueless about this issue, in detail.
Who cares about facts, right ? Israel is the aggressor because you say so! Who cares the "diplomacy" is a tried and true deception ?

Although at least i taught you something new about Iran politics which you obviously had no farking clue about. So you have that going for you.
Which is nice.
 
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