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(CNN)   History professor who has apparently never heard of the Trail of Tears, Japanese Internment camps, or the war in Iraq calls the government shutdown the "most extreme act in American history"   (cnn.com) divider line 68
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2013-10-03 08:46:29 AM  
I don't think we've reach the extremism that was exhibited during the civil war, when we actually started shooting at each other, but we are getting close.  I think one of the things that stops the shooting is the sides are not separated into regions.
 
2013-10-03 08:55:13 AM  
...or slavery, or civil war, or dropping atomic and nuclear bombs, or thinking alcohol prohibition was a good idea, or thinking drug prohibiation was a good idea...
 
2013-10-03 08:57:58 AM  
I don't use the word "hero" very often - but this guy is the greatest hero in American history.
 
2013-10-03 08:58:03 AM  
Is he or has he ever been a member of the communist party?
 
2013-10-03 09:25:08 AM  
To be fair to the authors, they don't actually say that. CNN apparently doesn't read their own articles before they submit headlines.

/Sort of like Fark, I guess.
 
2013-10-03 09:33:56 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't think we've reach the extremism that was exhibited during the civil war, when we actually started shooting at each other, but we are getting close.  I think one of the things that stops the shooting is the sides are not separated into regions.


We shot at each other in the revolution too.  There was even more civilian targeting in the revolution than the civil war.

//My favorite story is when the revolutionaries in my state decided that loyalists weren't allowed to own land and rounded all the ones up in their town and shipped them to a cave.  Then their leader made up a story about his daughter being abducted, so they went to the cave and slaughtered all the unarmed starving loyalists.
 
2013-10-03 09:34:23 AM  
Not even in the top ten.
 
2013-10-03 09:34:31 AM  

Radak: ...or slavery, or civil war, or dropping atomic and nuclear bombs, or thinking alcohol prohibition was a good idea, or thinking drug prohibiation was a good idea...


Oh my stars and garters! Atomic  and nuclear bombs! It's like they're two different scary words for the same thing,
 
2013-10-03 09:35:22 AM  
Clearly they've never played Tony Hawk Pro Skater.
 
2013-10-03 09:35:23 AM  
Did they change the headline or something? I guess "GOP shutdown's extremism at its worst" is still hyperbole, but I was expecting the actual wording.
 
2013-10-03 09:36:12 AM  

lilbjorn: Not even in the top ten.


Yep, so far doesn't even meet the top 10 of budget bullshiattery,but the republicans are still terrible.
 
2013-10-03 09:36:12 AM  
Did one party in Congress hijack the legislative process in order to enact any of those things?
 
2013-10-03 09:37:04 AM  
Huh. So not just one lying headline, but two?
 
2013-10-03 09:37:55 AM  
It's one of the more extreme political actions seen in a long while.

The GOP has become openly hostile in a non-theatrical way toward the Democrats in general and minorities, women and gays in specific.

The shutdown is basically the Tea Party's coup attempt for control of the GOP.
 
2013-10-03 09:38:14 AM  

LucklessWonder: Radak: ...or slavery, or civil war, or dropping atomic and nuclear bombs, or thinking alcohol prohibition was a good idea, or thinking drug prohibiation was a good idea...

Oh my stars and garters! Atomic  and nuclear bombs! It's like they're two different scary words for the same thing,


It's worth noting that there are different kinds of nuclear weapons.  Fission Bombs, like we dropped on Japan, and Thermonuclear Bombs, like the kind Matthew Broderick nearly unleashed on all of humanity in War Games.

I... doubt that was the point, but there *are* two very different kinds of bombs.  We've only dropped one of those kinds though, so idk what that was about...
 
2013-10-03 09:38:39 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Did one party in Congress hijack the legislative process in order to enact any of those things?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-03 09:39:50 AM  
Submitter's headline had absolutely nothing to do with the content of the article, and the quoted line appears nowhere in the text. Submitter is a lying sack of shiat. Submitter is a repub.
 
2013-10-03 09:40:11 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't think we've reach the extremism that was exhibited during the civil war, when we actually started shooting at each other, but we are getting close.  I think one of the things that stops the shooting is the sides are not separated into regions.


media.salon.com

media.salon.com

Really? We're even having the same "big government/small government" argument, except this time it's about giving black people heatlh care instead of freedom.
 
2013-10-03 09:42:13 AM  

Jackson Herring: Huh. So not just one lying headline, but two?


Just two? You're optimistic today.
 
2013-10-03 09:42:22 AM  

Infernalist: It's one of the more extreme political actions seen in a long while.

The GOP has become openly hostile in a non-theatrical way toward the Democrats in general and minorities, women and gays in specific.

The shutdown is basically the Tea Party's coup attempt for control of the GOP.


I've been finding that trend a little distressing myself...  They used to couch these debates in budgetary language.  We can't afford this or that.  Now they literally just say they are ideologically opposed to social welfare programs.  Not because of money, but because it's what they believe.  The last shred of pragmatism has fled that party.
 
2013-10-03 09:42:23 AM  
Well the teabaggers are trying to destroy the structure of our government. I'm not sure it has been tried before.
 
2013-10-03 09:43:44 AM  
What's rather unique is the extreme divide over issues that don't merit this kind of attention. It's perhaps a benchmark in US history for being unreasonably petty. Perhaps it speaks to Republicans desire for control at any cost, or the enormous pressure they're under from monied special interests. Whatever the case this is the height of intellectual dishonesty, although they have sold their lies so hard you almost get the feeling they believe them. And as we all know, it's not a lie if you believe it.
 
2013-10-03 09:44:19 AM  

clambam: Submitter's headline had absolutely nothing to do with the content of the article, and the quoted line appears nowhere in the text. Submitter is a lying sack of shiat. Submitter is a repub.


Submitter is the worst person in the world. Worse than Hitler.
 
2013-10-03 09:44:23 AM  
They've never heard of the War of the Secession either.
 
2013-10-03 09:49:14 AM  
media.komonews.com

This girl disagrees!
 
2013-10-03 09:50:41 AM  

MayoSlather: What's rather unique is the extreme divide over issues that don't merit this kind of attention. It's perhaps a benchmark in US history for being unreasonably petty. Perhaps it speaks to Republicans desire for control at any cost, or the enormous pressure they're under from monied special interests. Whatever the case this is the height of intellectual dishonesty, although they have sold their lies so hard you almost get the feeling they believe them. And as we all know, it's not a lie if you believe it.


It's the era of pervasive, effective marketing that changed, not the voters directly.
 
2013-10-03 09:51:06 AM  

sprawl15: Jackson Herring: Huh. So not just one lying headline, but two?

Just two? You're optimistic today.


oh no I mean both the fark link headline and the article headline are bald-faced lies
 
2013-10-03 09:51:53 AM  

MayoSlather: What's rather unique is the extreme divide over issues that don't merit this kind of attention. It's perhaps a benchmark in US history for being unreasonably petty. Perhaps it speaks to Republicans desire for control at any cost, or the enormous pressure they're under from monied special interests. Whatever the case this is the height of intellectual dishonesty, although they have sold their lies so hard you almost get the feeling they believe them. And as we all know, it's not a lie if you believe it.


According to Grover Norquist(spit spit), the establishment GOP never intended to force a shutdown, at least, not on these terms.

They were going for things other than the Obamacare thing.  Things that he might actually compromise on.  And their plan for afterward was to try and delay Obamacare and base their objections on the fact that big business got some delays on their implementation and why shouldn't the American people get the same thing?  Good political points that may well have struck home with some portion of the population.

Instead, Cruz and the Tea Derpers screwed all that up by turning into a "We hate Obamacare more than you do, RINOS!" thing and forcing a shutdown since the establishment GOP can't be perceived as supporting Obamacare in any way whatsoever.

Their little civil war got us dragged into a shutdown.
 
2013-10-03 09:55:56 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: clambam: Submitter's headline had absolutely nothing to do with the content of the article, and the quoted line appears nowhere in the text. Submitter is a lying sack of shiat. Submitter is a repub.

Submitter is the worst person in the world. Worse than Hitler.


Submitter?
 
2013-10-03 09:56:35 AM  

LucklessWonder: Oh my stars and garters! Atomic  and nuclear bombs! It's like they're two different scary words for the same thing,


Atomic bombs and nuclear bombs are not the same thing.  One is fission, the other fusion.  I was incorrect, however, in thinking that US dropped one of each on Japan, when it was actually two atomic bombs.  The nuclear bombs were only tested, not dropped.  My mistake.
 
2013-10-03 10:03:39 AM  

Infernalist: MayoSlather: What's rather unique is the extreme divide over issues that don't merit this kind of attention. It's perhaps a benchmark in US history for being unreasonably petty. Perhaps it speaks to Republicans desire for control at any cost, or the enormous pressure they're under from monied special interests. Whatever the case this is the height of intellectual dishonesty, although they have sold their lies so hard you almost get the feeling they believe them. And as we all know, it's not a lie if you believe it.

According to Grover Norquist(spit spit), the establishment GOP never intended to force a shutdown, at least, not on these terms.

They were going for things other than the Obamacare thing.  Things that he might actually compromise on.  And their plan for afterward was to try and delay Obamacare and base their objections on the fact that big business got some delays on their implementation and why shouldn't the American people get the same thing?  Good political points that may well have struck home with some portion of the population.

Instead, Cruz and the Tea Derpers screwed all that up by turning into a "We hate Obamacare more than you do, RINOS!" thing and forcing a shutdown since the establishment GOP can't be perceived as supporting Obamacare in any way whatsoever.

Their little civil war got us dragged into a shutdown.


I don't see a large schism between the tea party Republicans and your average Republican. There are a couple in there that are among the ranks of "not quite as bad", but they are all in the party of the contrived. In this case, they are being blatant contrarians. Obamacare is essentially Republican policy that is only rejected because it's now coming from Obama.
 
2013-10-03 10:09:36 AM  
Was the article changed or did subby make something up?  I searched for "most extreme" and did not find those words.

First sentence:

"The federal government shutdown is a virtually unprecedented move by a political minority committed to rolling back one of the most significant legislative achievements in recent American history."

That is correct (unless you want to debate the vagaries of "virtually unprecedented").  The law was passed, signed by the president, affirmed by the Supreme Court, and survived a national election.  It has survived more than 40 votes to repeal it.  Those votes were all stupid, time-wasting political theater by a political minority that continues to insist the law is unconstitutional.  A government shutdown is no longer theater, it is reality.  A default will also be reality.

And if that happens, there won't be any undoing it.  There will be a serious price to pay, by all of us.
 
2013-10-03 10:12:04 AM  

Wendy's Chili: EvilEgg: I don't think we've reach the extremism that was exhibited during the civil war, when we actually started shooting at each other, but we are getting close.  I think one of the things that stops the shooting is the sides are not separated into regions.

[media.salon.com image 186x124]

[media.salon.com image 186x124]

Really? We're even having the same "big government/small government" argument, except this time it's about giving black people heatlh care instead of freedom.


There's one big difference those maps from Salon don't indicate:

In 1860, Lincoln wasn't on the ballot in most Southern states, and the electoral votes were split four ways. (FFS, South Carolina didn't even have an election; at least not as we think of them.)

In 2008/2012, Obama was on the ballot in every state, and even where he lost, he drew at least 25% of the votes.

In other words, EvilEgg is on the scent; you, OTOH, could stand to read some more books.

TMYK...
 
2013-10-03 10:12:48 AM  

Radak: LucklessWonder: Oh my stars and garters! Atomic  and nuclear bombs! It's like they're two different scary words for the same thing,

Atomic bombs and nuclear bombs are not the same thing.  One is fission, the other fusion.  I was incorrect, however, in thinking that US dropped one of each on Japan, when it was actually two atomic bombs.  The nuclear bombs were only tested, not dropped.  My mistake.


Careful.  Atomic bombs are nuclear bombs.  Like squares and rectangles, yeah?  Nuclear bombs are the category of weapons under which two different kinds reside.  Thermonuclear, e.g. fusion/hydrogen, and Atomic or Fission Bombs.
 
2013-10-03 10:14:09 AM  
"We have moved over the last week," Duffy insisted in an interview with CNN's Piers Morgan. "We first had a defund Obamacare bill. We then moved to a delay Obamacare bill. And tonight ... we said 'let's delay the individual mandate. '"

We offered to double tap the hostage in the head.
Then we offered to shoot him just once in the head.
Then we offered to shoot him in the heart.

Why can't the libs see that we're willing to compromise!?!
 
2013-10-03 10:17:14 AM  

MayoSlather: What's rather unique is the extreme divide over issues that don't merit this kind of attention. It's perhaps a benchmark in US history for being unreasonably petty. Perhaps it speaks to Republicans desire for control at any cost, or the enormous pressure they're under from monied special interests. Whatever the case this is the height of intellectual dishonesty, although they have sold their lies so hard you almost get the feeling they believe them. And as we all know, it's not a lie if you believe it.


We passed a contentious amendment to the constitution based on the fervent and obsessive hatred by a well funded minority of people targeted at... The ability of others to legally obtain and consume alcohol.

We've gotten riled up over some pretty stupid and petty things in the past.
 
2013-10-03 10:18:16 AM  
The federal government shutdown is a virtually unprecedented move by a political minority committed to rolling back one of the most significant legislative achievements in recent American history.

That statement might be more believable if later in the article you didn't list the times when Republicans shut down the government over abortion, using money from Iranian terrorists to arm Nicaraguan narco-terrorists, and being sent to the back of Air Force One.
 
2013-10-03 10:32:05 AM  
 Huh. So not just one lying headline, but two?

This is the worst travesty on Fark since the layout redesign and the shut down of the politics tab combined with an outbreak of herpes.
 
2013-10-03 10:32:47 AM  
Hmmm.....
consciouslifenews.com --->  www.english.illinois.edu
 
2013-10-03 10:46:46 AM  
Um... not only did TFA not make that comparison, no three of the words in the quoted phrase appear in that order anywhere in TFA.

The headline's "quote" is entirely, 100% imaginary both in substance and in fact.
 
2013-10-03 10:53:05 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Um... not only did TFA not make that comparison, no three of the words in the quoted phrase appear in that order anywhere in TFA.

The headline's "quote" is entirely, 100% imaginary both in substance and in fact.


No. I thought the same thing. The weird thing is that I accidentally Googled the phrase when I meant to copy it so I could search the article, and the Google search took me right to that article. I think the links leading to the article may have been using that phrase.
 
2013-10-03 10:53:46 AM  
i2.cdn.turner.com

Why is this man using a dollar bill as a mask?
 
2013-10-03 10:56:10 AM  
www.douglaserice.com
 
2013-10-03 10:57:33 AM  

I_C_Weener: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

Why is this man using a dollar bill as a mask?


Money as speech= no money means no speech.
 
2013-10-03 10:58:05 AM  

Ricardo Klement: [www.douglaserice.com image 509x394]


i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-03 10:59:21 AM  

monoski: [media.komonews.com image 405x304]

This girl disagrees!


America didn't do that.
 
2013-10-03 10:59:52 AM  
If he called it "business as usual" he wouldn't get much ink now would he?

We live in a hyperbolic days.

Now throw your hands in the air and shriek like you just don't care.
 
2013-10-03 11:01:49 AM  

brap: If he called it "business as usual" he wouldn't get much ink now would he?

We live in a hyperbolic days.

Now throw your hands in the air and shriek like you just don't care.


When you account for hyperbole, you actually mean "speak at a reasonable volume like you care a little"
 
2013-10-03 11:09:09 AM  

EvilEgg: I don't think we've reach the extremism that was exhibited during the civil war, when we actually started shooting at each other, but we are getting close.  I think one of the things that stops the shooting is the sides are not separated into regions.


We're nowhere near Civil War levels, we're at least an order of magnitude away from that. Arguing we're close to a new civil war is just as crazy as arguing the UN is going to invade. Even the most hardcore teaparty wackos that I know would stand against you if you tried to start a revolt.
 
2013-10-03 11:12:45 AM  

LibertyHiller: Wendy's Chili: EvilEgg: I don't think we've reach the extremism that was exhibited during the civil war, when we actually started shooting at each other, but we are getting close.  I think one of the things that stops the shooting is the sides are not separated into regions.

[media.salon.com image 186x124]

[media.salon.com image 186x124]

Really? We're even having the same "big government/small government" argument, except this time it's about giving black people heatlh care instead of freedom.

There's one big difference those maps from Salon don't indicate:

In 1860, Lincoln wasn't on the ballot in most Southern states, and the electoral votes were split four ways. (FFS, South Carolina didn't even have an election; at least not as we think of them.)

In 2008/2012, Obama was on the ballot in every state, and even where he lost, he drew at least 25% of the votes.

In other words, EvilEgg is on the scent; you, OTOH, could stand to read some more books.

TMYK...


Um, the first map is not an electoral map. It is a map of free states in dark blue, slave states that remained in the union in light blue, and confederate states in red. It is also from 1862, not 1860.

It has exactly jack and squat to do with Lincoln's election. What was your point again?
 
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