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(Social Reader)   Researchers discover radioactive waste water from fracking flowing into a PA stream. Mining company promises to look into the issue as soon as Obamacare is repealed   (socialreader.com) divider line 165
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2013-10-03 12:19:33 AM
Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance, and is thus exempt from the provisions of the Clear Air Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, so you never get to find out what those proprietary chemical blends are doing to you and your current/future children. Have a nice day!
 
2013-10-03 12:20:18 AM
Oh come on, you ninnies.

Radiation isn't bad for you. Even bananas have radiation.

www.topnews.in
 
2013-10-03 12:20:27 AM
inb4 someone posts the deer with warts all over it
 
2013-10-03 12:21:15 AM
I thought most of these people sold the rights ... guess they didnt think out their cunning plan.

/Sucks that fraking is being done in such a cowboy fashion. Good thing that the cheney loophole exists.
/sigh
 
2013-10-03 12:21:22 AM
www.televicious.com
 
2013-10-03 12:23:05 AM
But I've been assured by Top Men that fracking is totally, completely 100% safe! TOP. MEN.
 
2013-10-03 12:24:15 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance, and is thus exempt from the provisions of the Clear Air Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, so you never get to find out what those proprietary chemical blends are doing to you and your current/future children. Have a nice day!


Also the Republicans have just shut down the EPA, so you're on your own if your children start growing multiple eyes.
 
2013-10-03 12:24:40 AM
Radium is leeching into the fracking chemicals.

No shiat.

These gas deposits probably sit around coal, don't they?
 
2013-10-03 12:26:51 AM
But...but...what about all those fluffy commercials from Range Resources that I saw between innings of the Pirates game over the summer telling us that fracking is peachy keen with no irreparable harm whatsoever?

http://www.myrangeresources.com/

What's really scary is that none of the media in Pittsburgh is covering this (or at least it's hard to find it).
 
2013-10-03 12:26:57 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: [Gyahhh.jpg]


You want to look away, but you can't
 
2013-10-03 12:27:08 AM
Isn't it great that companies like this are using "alternate sources" of fuel? Oh, you meant solar, wind, or tidal wave generation? Well, this works too citizen, just ignore the body parts that will fall off of you or change colors in the next few years, it's the Free Market TM at work!
 
2013-10-03 12:27:51 AM
I would normally doubt that fracking fluids are radioactive, but seeing how they're exempt from Federal oversight, only the good Lord knows where they came from.

But what's a little radioactivity compared to dimethylacetamide?
 
2013-10-03 12:27:53 AM
"There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts you should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer." - Ann Coulter on Fox's O'Reilly Factor

Checkmate, libs.
 
2013-10-03 12:28:06 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance


Not to mention Battlestar Galactica.
 
2013-10-03 12:28:42 AM
Fracking chemicals aren't radioactive, morons.
 
2013-10-03 12:28:53 AM
Maybe Pennsylvania should update their waste water treatment laws.

/It'$ not going to happen.
//Becau$e job creator$.
 
2013-10-03 12:29:57 AM
This does seem to explain why these fracking companies get so goddamn secretive when anyone asks what exact chemical they use in the fracking process.
 
2013-10-03 12:30:18 AM

Standard Deviant: Fracking chemicals aren't radioactive, morons.


They are after they come back up through a layer of radioactive rocks.
 
2013-10-03 12:30:38 AM
 C'mon where are all the free market conservatives volunteering to drink a nice tall glass of fraking fluid to prove how safe it is?
 
2013-10-03 12:31:06 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Bonanza Jellybean: Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance

Not to mention Battlestar Galactica.


ALL THE FRAKS! (season 2)
 
2013-10-03 12:31:49 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Bonanza Jellybean: Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance, and is thus exempt from the provisions of the Clear Air Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, so you never get to find out what those proprietary chemical blends are doing to you and your current/future children. Have a nice day!

Also the Republicans have just shut down the EPA, so you're on your own if your children start growing multiple eyes.


Keep telling yourself if it helps you sleep at night.

Democrats are too often like Star Trek fans who think William Shatner adores them.

Any registered Democrat who thinks the Democratic party cares about them is just as idiotic as any registered Republican who thinks the Republican party cares about them.

Look at Hillary Clinton.  Republican?  Democrat?  I'd wager that most politicians jump on the bandwagon of whatever party they think they have the best chances of winning a nice, cushy, "essential-employee" spot in the government.

Take away the ridiculous salaries and benefits, then see which political party wants to support you in Congress.  "We don't get kickbacks anymore?  I'm out!"
 
2013-10-03 12:31:52 AM
So the article says in PA, the water can be treated by 'normal wastewater treatment plants'. They also mention radium settling into the sediment downstream. Personally, I'd be worried about radioactivity settling into the plant itself, too. Doesn't matter if you dredge the stream if the plant itself puts out radioactivity, regardless of the source of the wastewater, because the plant itself is irradiated.
 
2013-10-03 12:33:12 AM

Mrtraveler01: This does seem to explain why these fracking companies get so goddamn secretive when anyone asks what exact chemical they use in the fracking process.


True, but the fluid they use is actually picking up the radioactivity from the underground deposits and then seeping back up.
 
2013-10-03 12:33:43 AM

NightSteel: So the article says in PA, the water can be treated by 'normal wastewater treatment plants'. They also mention radium settling into the sediment downstream. Personally, I'd be worried about radioactivity settling into the plant itself, too. Doesn't matter if you dredge the stream if the plant itself puts out radioactivity, regardless of the source of the wastewater, because the plant itself is irradiated.


It was a misprint.  The release of radioactive sludge was the result of FARKing.  Sometimes, these comments spill out of the Intertubes.
 
2013-10-03 12:34:51 AM

Ivo Shandor: Standard Deviant: Fracking chemicals aren't radioactive, morons.

They are after they come back up through a layer of radioactive rocks.


Don't confuse him with facts.
 
2013-10-03 12:35:09 AM

jaytkay: "There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts you should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer." - Ann Coulter on Fox's O'Reilly Factor

Checkmate, libs.


Jesus Christ....  Someone need to up her daily recommended dose of arsenic.
 
2013-10-03 12:35:31 AM

Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: Mrtraveler01: This does seem to explain why these fracking companies get so goddamn secretive when anyone asks what exact chemical they use in the fracking process.

True, but the fluid they use is actually picking up the radioactivity from the underground deposits and then seeping back up.


It sounds like it is dissolving naturally occurring radium and its decay products
 
2013-10-03 12:36:22 AM

TOSViolation: NightSteel: So the article says in PA, the water can be treated by 'normal wastewater treatment plants'. They also mention radium settling into the sediment downstream. Personally, I'd be worried about radioactivity settling into the plant itself, too. Doesn't matter if you dredge the stream if the plant itself puts out radioactivity, regardless of the source of the wastewater, because the plant itself is irradiated.

It was a misprint.  The release of radioactive sludge was the result of FARKing.  Sometimes, these comments spill out of the Intertubes.


Damned Politics tab.
 
2013-10-03 12:36:38 AM
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

Fracking is totally safe!
 
2013-10-03 12:36:45 AM

Standard Deviant: Fracking chemicals aren't radioactive, morons.


No one said "fracking chemicals are radioactive." The wastewater from fracking, which carries radium, bromide, and chloride either dissolved from the rock or freed from trapped pockets within the rock, is radioactive and remains so despite the limited waste treatment provided by existing facilities.

That's the big canard about fracking - yes, some of what goes in can be nasty, but really, it's what comes out that's the real problem, not to mention the damage done in the process.
 
2013-10-03 12:36:56 AM

TOSViolation: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Bonanza Jellybean: Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance, and is thus exempt from the provisions of the Clear Air Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, so you never get to find out what those proprietary chemical blends are doing to you and your current/future children. Have a nice day!

Also the Republicans have just shut down the EPA, so you're on your own if your children start growing multiple eyes.

Keep telling yourself if it helps you sleep at night.

Democrats are too often like Star Trek fans who think William Shatner adores them.

Any registered Democrat who thinks the Democratic party cares about them is just as idiotic as any registered Republican who thinks the Republican party cares about them.

Look at Hillary Clinton.  Republican?  Democrat?  I'd wager that most politicians jump on the bandwagon of whatever party they think they have the best chances of winning a nice, cushy, "essential-employee" spot in the government.

Take away the ridiculous salaries and benefits, then see which political party wants to support you in Congress.  "We don't get kickbacks anymore?  I'm out!"


What are you saying, that both sides are bad?
 
2013-10-03 12:37:26 AM

TOSViolation: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Bonanza Jellybean: Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance, and is thus exempt from the provisions of the Clear Air Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, so you never get to find out what those proprietary chemical blends are doing to you and your current/future children. Have a nice day!

Also the Republicans have just shut down the EPA, so you're on your own if your children start growing multiple eyes.

Keep telling yourself if it helps you sleep at night.

Democrats are too often like Star Trek fans who think William Shatner adores them.

Any registered Democrat who thinks the Democratic party cares about them is just as idiotic as any registered Republican who thinks the Republican party cares about them.

Look at Hillary Clinton.  Republican?  Democrat?  I'd wager that most politicians jump on the bandwagon of whatever party they think they have the best chances of winning a nice, cushy, "essential-employee" spot in the government.

Take away the ridiculous salaries and benefits, then see which political party wants to support you in Congress.  "We don't get kickbacks anymore?  I'm out!"


You don't get it. Obama and the Democrats adopting the Ryan budget is proof that they're too liberal to be taken seriously.
 
2013-10-03 12:37:42 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Also the Republicans have just shut down the EPA, so you're on your own if your children start growing multiple eyes.


Takes the EPA decades to act on things like that. Don't want to punish the poor widdle corporations.

So you're good, and by good i mean as screwed as ever.
 
2013-10-03 12:38:24 AM

Mister Buttons: jaytkay: "There is a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts you should be exposed to are actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer." - Ann Coulter on Fox's O'Reilly Factor

Checkmate, libs.

Jesus Christ....  Someone need to up her daily recommended dose of arsenic.


I totally misread that.

I thought she had said the water was in excess of what the government was bad for you.

Instead I re-read it and find she's apparently an Art Robinson disciple.
 
2013-10-03 12:40:26 AM
Remember 1/2 a century ago when the aluminum industry needed to dump all that toxic fluoride somewhere and it cost too much to dump it into a toxic landfill? So they dumped it into towns drinking water... Then the chemical fertilizer plants scrubbers needed someplace to dump the fluoride waste?..
Well Fracking is doing the same, with its special secret blend of chemicals to frack and you can always pay $50,000 to get a pipeline of water from the nearest town to service your home. But at least you don't need to turn on the lights to get a glass of water at night. Just a few sparks from an old lighter is all that is needed.

/Profits before Humanity makes Hulk mad......................
 
2013-10-03 12:41:09 AM
Small potatoes.

Nuclear weapons have been used outside Rifle Colorado for fracking. Come back when you've got something worth talking about ...
 
2013-10-03 12:42:10 AM

FormlessOne: Standard Deviant: Fracking chemicals aren't radioactive, morons.

No one said "fracking chemicals are radioactive." The wastewater from fracking, which carries radium, bromide, and chloride either dissolved from the rock or freed from trapped pockets within the rock, is radioactive and remains so despite the limited waste treatment provided by existing facilities.

That's the big canard about fracking - yes, some of what goes in can be nasty, but really, it's what comes out that's the real problem, not to mention the damage done in the process.


Ok, so the water is no more radioactive than the ground? I get that the tracking released it, but this was not underneath a nuclear power plant.
 
2013-10-03 12:42:17 AM

TOSViolation: Any registered Democrat who thinks the Democratic party cares about them is just as idiotic as any registered Republican who thinks the Republican party cares about them.


Both sides are equally bad, you say? Aside from, you know, the giant body of evidence proving you wrong? To start with: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, the CFPB and current platform issues regarding the EPA, Wall Street regulation and banking laws. Go look at each party's action within the past 10 years on any one of these issues and then come back and tell me both sides are equally bad.
 
2013-10-03 12:43:49 AM

sheep snorter: Remember 1/2 a century ago when the aluminum industry needed to dump all that toxic fluoride somewhere and it cost too much to dump it into a toxic landfill? So they dumped it into towns drinking water... Then the chemical fertilizer plants scrubbers needed someplace to dump the fluoride waste?..
Well Fracking is doing the same, with its special secret blend of chemicals to frack and you can always pay $50,000 to get a pipeline of water from the nearest town to service your home. But at least you don't need to turn on the lights to get a glass of water at night. Just a few sparks from an old lighter is all that is needed.

/Profits before Humanity makes Hulk mad......................


Ooh ooh tell me about chemtrails next!
 
2013-10-03 12:45:24 AM
I keep being told here (fark) how awesome and safe radiation is.  I'm not worried. This will just make the trees and the grasses here (Pennsyltucky) grow lush and green.
 
2013-10-03 12:46:23 AM

TOSViolation: Republican? Democrat? I'd wager that most politicians jump on the bandwagon of whatever party they think they have the best chances of winning a nice, cushy, "essential-employee" spot in the government.

Take away the ridiculous salaries and benefits, then see which political party wants to support you in Congress. "We don't get kickbacks anymore? I'm out!"


A Tea Party "Independent", I see.
 
2013-10-03 12:46:30 AM

Standard Deviant: FormlessOne: Standard Deviant: Fracking chemicals aren't radioactive, morons.

No one said "fracking chemicals are radioactive." The wastewater from fracking, which carries radium, bromide, and chloride either dissolved from the rock or freed from trapped pockets within the rock, is radioactive and remains so despite the limited waste treatment provided by existing facilities.

That's the big canard about fracking - yes, some of what goes in can be nasty, but really, it's what comes out that's the real problem, not to mention the damage done in the process.

Ok, so the water is no more radioactive than the ground? I get that the tracking released it, but this was not underneath a nuclear power plant.


Lone man on the Fracking Defense switch tonight?  Do a piss poor job of it to.  If you aren't getting paid, you should hang it up... cause you've got no love for the game kid.
 
2013-10-03 12:46:36 AM

cameroncrazy1984: sheep snorter: Remember 1/2 a century ago when the aluminum industry needed to dump all that toxic fluoride somewhere and it cost too much to dump it into a toxic landfill? So they dumped it into towns drinking water... Then the chemical fertilizer plants scrubbers needed someplace to dump the fluoride waste?..
Well Fracking is doing the same, with its special secret blend of chemicals to frack and you can always pay $50,000 to get a pipeline of water from the nearest town to service your home. But at least you don't need to turn on the lights to get a glass of water at night. Just a few sparks from an old lighter is all that is needed.

/Profits before Humanity makes Hulk mad......................

Ooh ooh tell me about chemtrails next!


And how GMOs cause WIFI signals from Wind Turbines to rot my brain
 
2013-10-03 12:47:01 AM

Mrtraveler01: This does seem to explain why these fracking companies get so goddamn secretive when anyone asks what exact chemical they use in the fracking process.


No it doesn't.  The radium is coming from inside the shale deposits, it's not something that they're pumping in to fracture the rock.

I'm going to take this initial article with a grain of salt.  They mention that the radiation level in the wastewater is 200 times "background" levels.  Background levels from where is important in this context.  There was no mention of EPA specified safe minimum levels and given the histrionics in the article If it was above those I'd expect them to be screaming at the top of their lungs about it.

Not to mention, they didn't actually test the wastewater, they tested water pulled from a river at the outlet from the waste treatment plant.  So while it provides an interesting data point and suggests more study is needed, it's not exactly rigorous.
 
2013-10-03 12:47:13 AM

Abacus9: TOSViolation: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Bonanza Jellybean: Tough titty, citizen. Fracking is a vital component of America's energy independance, and is thus exempt from the provisions of the Clear Air Act and Safe Drinking Water Act, so you never get to find out what those proprietary chemical blends are doing to you and your current/future children. Have a nice day!

Also the Republicans have just shut down the EPA, so you're on your own if your children start growing multiple eyes.

Keep telling yourself if it helps you sleep at night.

Democrats are too often like Star Trek fans who think William Shatner adores them.

Any registered Democrat who thinks the Democratic party cares about them is just as idiotic as any registered Republican who thinks the Republican party cares about them.

Look at Hillary Clinton.  Republican?  Democrat?  I'd wager that most politicians jump on the bandwagon of whatever party they think they have the best chances of winning a nice, cushy, "essential-employee" spot in the government.

Take away the ridiculous salaries and benefits, then see which political party wants to support you in Congress.  "We don't get kickbacks anymore?  I'm out!"

What are you saying, that both sides are bad?


YES!  That is exactly what I am saying.  I'm asking people to stop drinking "their" party's Kool-Aid.  Stop just blindly accepting that everything the president or Democrats (or Republicans) say is the right thing.

Look at the majority of Americans' opinions on Obamacare.  I don't like it, and I'm one of the lucky ones whose job appears to be shielding me from it for the most part.  I see a lot of friends, who are contractors, struggling over the ridiculous increases in healthcare costs they are about to face.

There is a reason religious leaders aren't allowed to tell their congregations who to vote for.  Stop deifying your politicians.

We'll see if the Democrats really care about Americans by how they vote on the bills to reopen the National Parks, the NIH, and D.C. municipal services.  If they treat you like a sacrificial pawn in their game, then you'll see exactly how they feel about you.  You're not a person.  You're a tool.
 
2013-10-03 12:47:18 AM
The mining exes and shareholders don't have to drink poisoned water so why should THEY care?

No one ever gave them anything!
 
2013-10-03 12:48:38 AM

derpy: I keep being told here (fark) how awesome and safe radiation is.  I'm not worried. This will just make the trees and the grasses here (Pennsyltucky) grow glow lush and green.


Fixed.
 
2013-10-03 12:48:48 AM

meat0918: I totally misread that.

I thought she had said the water was in excess


No, that's Jonah Goldberg, see the earlier thread.
 
2013-10-03 12:48:57 AM

jaytkay: TOSViolation: Republican? Democrat? I'd wager that most politicians jump on the bandwagon of whatever party they think they have the best chances of winning a nice, cushy, "essential-employee" spot in the government.

Take away the ridiculous salaries and benefits, then see which political party wants to support you in Congress. "We don't get kickbacks anymore? I'm out!"

A Tea Party "Independent", I see.


You think the Tea Party was a bad idea?  Do you like bowing to a king?  That's the feeling I get from most Obama supporters.
 
2013-10-03 12:50:22 AM
I'm waking up to ash and dust.
I wipe my brow and I sweat my rust.
I'm breathing in the chemicals

I'm breaking in, shaping up, then checking out on the prison bus.
This is it, the apocalypse.

I'm waking up, I feel it in my bones.
Enough to make my systems blow.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age.
Welcome to the new age, to the new age.
I'm radioactive, radioactive.
I'm radioactive, radioactive.
 
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