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(SeattlePI)   Tesla Model S drives through a puddle, nearly kills driver   (seattlepi.com) divider line 231
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2013-10-03 07:03:59 AM  
The driver wasn't sure what he hit. It may be that the battery cracked and that was the metallic sound he interpreted as hitting something. Smaller lithium batteries have been known to spontaneously ignite or explode. It will be interesting to see exactly what happened when they have had the time to complete the investigation.
 
2013-10-03 07:06:48 AM  

CasperImproved: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: diaphoresis: Because People in power are Stupid: I saw a vehicle fire once. It was a pickup truck. I wonder if all pickup trucks are unsafe.

yes. Motorcycles are by far the safest.

So the elderly should all ride Harleys.

Aren't there a bunch of old hippy types with beards, balding, and with either half helmets or bandannas on their head out there on Harleys now?


We are riding Kawasakis or Suzukis. We can't afford Harleys.
 
2013-10-03 07:07:35 AM  

CasperImproved: Aren't there a bunch of old hippy types with beards, balding, and with either half helmets or bandannas on their head out there on Harleys now?


Well nt right now - they're walking laps at the mall right now.
 
2013-10-03 07:08:13 AM  
Metal debris punctures the body, impacts a battery, and causes a fire. What are we going to do without the federal investigators! Some mysteries will just never be solved.
 
2013-10-03 07:10:25 AM  

gaspode: Latest attempt by the entrenched industry to try to kill electric cars eh? Its like being back in the 70s or something.. ludicrous scare stories about rivals. Hell it is like being back in Edison's day. Wankers.


Now that you mention it, I wouldn't be surprised if this car was purchased by an Exxon exec. How convenient!
 
2013-10-03 07:13:34 AM  
I just had an idea: what if we did for cars what they do for street cars? Just have a tax everyone pays to have the roads themselves electrified. You wouldn't have to do it every ten feet or anything, just once per mile there could be a plate on the ground that, when you drive over it, puts a mile's worth of juice back into your battery. You'd have leads dragging from your undercarriage that would gently scrape the plates. You'd be refueling F-Zero style.

It would only work when we get everyone on board, so there's a legitimate cost/benefit ratio, but if all cars become electric in the future, this is one solution to the range anxiety problem.
 
2013-10-03 07:15:30 AM  
Another example of why we need to forget electric cars and stick with internal combustion engines.  Cars that run on gas never catch on fire.
 
2013-10-03 07:16:39 AM  
Sounds like they need to install an automatic fire extinquisher system under the hood, similar to what jet airliner engines use.
 
2013-10-03 07:16:50 AM  

Snarfle: If it can stand up to the abusiveness of drag racing, it can stand up to the abusiveness of the average driver.


Um, no.
 
2013-10-03 07:18:22 AM  
Gawd, don't you people remember the Concorde?
 
2013-10-03 07:19:48 AM  

Boomstickz: Storing that much energy in that little space...doesn't matter what the fuel / power source is...why did this even make the news?


Because it's Tesla and their stock went down $600mil because of it. (because people have knee jerk reactions to everything and apparently thought Tesla cars were invincible)
 
2013-10-03 07:22:44 AM  
They're supposedly quite safe, but come on, they're not indestructible.

/thoroughly expect the other major car companies to begin referring to the Tesla as the Titanic of cars. See! See!
 
2013-10-03 07:26:34 AM  

Tommy Moo: I just had an idea: what if we did for cars what they do for street cars? Just have a tax everyone pays to have the roads themselves electrified. You wouldn't have to do it every ten feet or anything, just once per mile there could be a plate on the ground that, when you drive over it, puts a mile's worth of juice back into your battery. You'd have leads dragging from your undercarriage that would gently scrape the plates. You'd be refueling F-Zero style.

It would only work when we get everyone on board, so there's a legitimate cost/benefit ratio, but if all cars become electric in the future, this is one solution to the range anxiety problem.

 
2013-10-03 07:28:17 AM  

treebeardmcgee: Another example of why we need to forget electric cars and stick with internal combustion engines.  Cars that run on gas never catch on fire.


This guy gets it. This is the message.
Also climate change and ocean acidification are mean old enviro-hippie liberal fibs!
Vroooom! I'm a man!
i18.photobucket.com
Almost.
 
2013-10-03 07:29:29 AM  
It's pure capacitance gel!
 
2013-10-03 07:31:15 AM  

symptomoftheuniverse: Good day for retarded subbys


Is there any day that isn't around here?
 
2013-10-03 07:35:39 AM  
Bumper cars. The future for autos.
media-cdn.tripadvisor.com
 
2013-10-03 07:39:46 AM  

Beer cap: Uranus Is Huge!: If by "puddle" you mean "large metallic object" and by "drives through" you mean "collided with" then this headline is...
... still not in any way accurate.

I read a different article yesterday where an officer on the scene said there was no object found in the road.


You're not helping the "Elon is god" brigade here on Fark, dude. Totally harsh.
 
2013-10-03 07:42:02 AM  

Tommy Moo: I just had an idea: what if we did for cars what they do for street cars? Just have a tax everyone pays to have the roads themselves electrified. You wouldn't have to do it every ten feet or anything, just once per mile there could be a plate on the ground that, when you drive over it, puts a mile's worth of juice back into your battery. You'd have leads dragging from your undercarriage that would gently scrape the plates. You'd be refueling F-Zero style.

It would only work when we get everyone on board, so there's a legitimate cost/benefit ratio, but if all cars become electric in the future, this is one solution to the range anxiety problem.


Because that's as scientifically impossible as the movie Pacific Rim.

Electric's limitations are torque (not that most of us  need a mountain-climbing mega-jeep), energy density (batteries are still big and heavy), and whatever the term is for, "it charges kinda slow."

Do we currently have the technology to have lightweight mostly-electric vehicles in a lot of places we instead of big ugly trucks?  Probably.  But as many things including this thread prove, it's not about the tech anyway, it's about people believing that driving a giant, gas-guzzling vehicle makes you powerful and/or safe.

I mean, commercials like this worked, what do you say to that?
 
2013-10-03 07:42:18 AM  
I'll keep my safe gasoline and diesel powered vehicles, thank you.
 
2013-10-03 07:44:11 AM  

badhatharry: Metal debris punctures the body, impacts a battery, and causes a fire. What are we going to do without the federal investigators! Some mysteries will just never be solved.


If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that people always tell the truth. Always.
 
2013-10-03 07:45:27 AM  
Lithium... how does it work?
 
2013-10-03 07:48:41 AM  

Pick: I'll keep my safe gasoline and diesel powered vehicles, thank you.



www.fredberinger.com
 
2013-10-03 07:51:06 AM  

TheBigJerk: I mean, commercials like this worked, what do you say to that?


.... what the fark was that?  That commercial.... wtf.
 
2013-10-03 07:52:35 AM  

Beer cap: legion_of_doo: Beer cap: Uranus Is Huge!: If by "puddle" you mean "large metallic object" and by "drives through" you mean "collided with" then this headline is...
... still not in any way accurate.

I read a different article yesterday where an officer on the scene said there was no object found in the road.

You're not helping the "Elon is god" brigade here on Fark, dude. Totally harsh.

Sorry, by the way, it's also stated in the article on USA Today right now.

What people might want to be asking themselves is, how the hell could Tesla possibly know the cause already?


According to the article they haven't commented yet. You sound rather defensive
 
2013-10-03 07:57:28 AM  
So, subby... I'm curious, what exactly do you get out of slurping the greasy black slick off oil executive cocks? Is it like a sadomasochist thing? Were you sexually abused as a child? Or are you just a stupid filthy whore?
 
2013-10-03 08:00:24 AM  

here to help: So, subby... I'm curious, what exactly do you get out of slurping the greasy black slick off oil executive cocks? Is it like a sadomasochist thing? Were you sexually abused as a child? Or are you just a stupid filthy whore?


You'll all have to forgive subby's mom. She hasn't had her morning coffee yet.
 
2013-10-03 08:00:33 AM  

Pick: I'll keep my safe gasoline and diesel powered vehicles, thank you.


Yep. Car fires never happen in gasoline or diesel powered vehicles...
www.cseinsurance.com
 
2013-10-03 08:07:13 AM  

Beer cap: I read a different article yesterday where an officer on the scene said there was no object found in the road.


Where did the officer look? This article says the driver claims he hit something on the freeway, then pulled off of the freeway. We have no way of knowing how far he drove between object strike and where he stopped.

According to the NFPA, there were 187,500 car fires in the US in 2011. That averages out to another vehicle catching fire every ~170 seconds. Car fires are far from rare.

Meanwhile, in Japan... (Skip to 26m45s for where they drive it through 27 inches [700mm] of standing water)
=Smidge=
 
2013-10-03 08:07:42 AM  

ph0rk: CasperImproved: Aren't there a bunch of old hippy types with beards, balding, and with either half helmets or bandannas on their head out there on Harleys now?

Well nt right now - they're walking laps at the mall right now.


I'm down with that... just as long as you don't do the same with large sedans (or simlilar sized vehicles) :)
 
2013-10-03 08:08:07 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: at least being near a lithium fire would even out your emotions... amirite? :P


I dunno, man.  I even out my emotions with CH3CH2OH.

Even if it did, the lithium fire made subby hysterical despite being nowhere near the fumes, so at best it's a wash.
 
2013-10-03 08:10:09 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: fusillade762: xria: gaspode: SoothinglyDeranged: So yeah, lithium metal fires are bad. Just in case anyone was wondering.

Guess what? Petroleum fires arent a farking birthday party either and they kill hundreds.

Being killed by the same thing that has killed thousands of people every year for decades isn't scary. Being killed by something that has never killed someone before is scary.

/not sure why, but that is the way it is

Most humans seem unable to do basic risk assessment. More Americans are killed by lightning and bathtub drownings than by terrorism, yet no one is "ZOMG BATHTUB LIGHTNING?!?!?"

During the DC sniper incident, the #2 cause of worry among interviewed residents was being shot by the sniper.  People have no sense of proportion.  Everybody laughs at Dustin Hoffman as Rainman thinking candy bars and cars cost $100 each, but they do similar useless math in their own heads every day.


Someone once told me that if you ask someone if water can run uphill, they'll say "No way, that's stupid". But if you give them a complicated task to consider, they'll usually wind up having one of the steps requiring water to run uphill. Of course, she said it better and with Texas charm.
 
2013-10-03 08:18:49 AM  

diaphoresis: I love how water made it worse..

Crews found that water seemed to intensify the fire, so they began using a dry chemical extinguisher.


Yeah Firefighters and Emergency Services/Safety people are going to have to get some extra training on this.
 
2013-10-03 08:20:26 AM  

Beer cap: libranoelrose: Beer cap: legion_of_doo: Beer cap: Uranus Is Huge!: If by "puddle" you mean "large metallic object" and by "drives through" you mean "collided with" then this headline is...
... still not in any way accurate.

I read a different article yesterday where an officer on the scene said there was no object found in the road.

You're not helping the "Elon is god" brigade here on Fark, dude. Totally harsh.

Sorry, by the way, it's also stated in the article on USA Today right now.

What people might want to be asking themselves is, how the hell could Tesla possibly know the cause already?

According to the article they haven't commented yet. You sound rather defensive

You might want to actually read the article, specifically the second paragraph.


Yeah, my bad, looks like it was the driver who didn't comment. More coffe and all that
 
2013-10-03 08:24:14 AM  
The only reaction to that story that makes sense is the analyst downgrade of their stock. I don't care how good their cars are; if the stock price jumps 400 percent, it's time to sell.
 
2013-10-03 08:25:09 AM  

TheBigJerk: Electric's limitations are torque


Uh, no... no that's entirely the opposite of true.


Beer cap: I'm not saying that the officer couldn't have missed something. Another possibility could be that what the driver thought was an best in the road being hit was also the battery exploding.


Possible, but unprecedented. The article also states that the fire crew had to punch holes in the battery pack and cut an access panel into it - things that probably would not have been necessary if the battery spontaneously exploded.
=Smidge=

 
2013-10-03 08:25:47 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: So the elderly should all ride Harleys.


That;s pretty much how the demo sorts out.

/sportsbiker
/old one.
 
2013-10-03 08:27:13 AM  
Huh, I figured that Tesla would have had a robust skid plate under the battery.

Maybe that's just one of those things that slips the mind when designing vehicles meant for smooth paved roads.  It's like the armored HMMWV's initial lack of undercarriage armor.  Gunfire and rockets were expected, but not landmines.

Vehicle companies need more paranoid engineers, who will think of these fringe cases and design for them from the start.  "Yes yes, the battery is now safe from front, rear, and side impacts...but what about impacts from above or below?!  WHAT THEN?!?!  MOAR PROTECTIVE PLATING!"

Reactive metals give me the creeps.  Yes, I carry some around with me all the time, but it still gives me the heebie jeebies when I think about it.  Petrol requires an ignition source to become a fireball - lithium just requires moisture.  If something breaches a petrol tank, there's some sign of warning before the thing goes up (smells, visible leaks, etc.), although I am not saying that those warning signs are always easy to see, or even *can* be seen before things catch fire, but they're *there*.  It soothes the mind somewhat.  Fuel rail leaked onto the engine and caused a fire?  Well, that leak was probably there for days, so if you had popped the hood you *might* have seen it and fixed it before something happened.  No guarantees, but the opportunity was there.  Casing failed on a LiIon battery, allowing moisture into the metal coil?  No warning, just fire.

Still thinking of buying an electric motorcycle, once the price becomes sane.  They're not even close to being price-competitive right now.  $40k for an open-class ride is lunacy.  Could buy two S1000RRs for that price.  Even the Brammo Empulse is $5k more than it's worth.
 
2013-10-03 08:27:56 AM  
I want Tesla to be successful.  Dreaming about a day when I can afford the Roadster.  I would love to drive one.
In the distant future since having recharging stations in Ga. will take about 30 years or more.
 
2013-10-03 08:29:53 AM  

King Something: ...wreckED 'im.

/I'm not sure if I've had too much booze or not enough
//either way, I haven't got the correct amount of vodak in my system


I'm guessing you moving toward 'too much'. You can type mostly coherent sentences but seem to be drinking 'vodak' instead of vodka.
 
2013-10-03 08:34:58 AM  

mbillips: The only reaction to that story that makes sense is the analyst downgrade of their stock. I don't care how good their cars are; if the stock price jumps 400 percent, it's time to sell.


oh shiat. another dude who isnt buying the musk snake oil.

*time to confront him about global warming, sending money to al qaeda for oil. totally cant discuss the subsidized luxury toy market!*
 
2013-10-03 08:36:19 AM  
That's it. I'm switching back to a car powered by a large tank of fluid designed specifically for the purpose of enabling a series of powerful explosions that propel me down the highway. No way am I risking a catastrophe for you treehuggers!
 
2013-10-03 08:42:12 AM  

Night Night Cream Puff: You know who else we should be raising our arms up against for potential car fires. Jaguar! They nearly killed Dick Van Dyke!

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50153317n

Cars of all sorts can catch fire. Your bias is quite apparent subby.


Exactly.  The problem isn't the vehicle, it's the stored energy. Whether it's liquid, gas, radioactive, or electro-chemical, whenever you unintentionally release ALL the energy, you get fire/explosion/radiation.  Can't wait for dark-energy or matter/anti-matter power. Then when you hit that chunk of metal in the road you'll accidentally open a wormhole or something.
 
2013-10-03 08:43:34 AM  

here to help: So, subby... I'm curious, what exactly do you get out of slurping the greasy black slick off oil executive cocks? Is it like a sadomasochist thing? Were you sexually abused as a child? Or are you just a stupid filthy whore?


I love you.
 
2013-10-03 08:48:21 AM  

Night Night Cream Puff: Pick: I'll keep my safe gasoline and diesel powered vehicles, thank you.

Yep. Car fires never happen in gasoline or diesel powered vehicles...
[www.cseinsurance.com image 800x574]


I've always been impressed with how seemingly rare it is, you'd think it'd be more common with how volatile gasoline can be. Most of the time even when someone gets into a bad wreck they don't usually burst into flames (except for the movies).
 
2013-10-03 08:51:10 AM  

pyrotek85: Night Night Cream Puff: Pick: I'll keep my safe gasoline and diesel powered vehicles, thank you.

Yep. Car fires never happen in gasoline or diesel powered vehicles...
[www.cseinsurance.com image 800x574]

I've always been impressed with how seemingly rare it is, you'd think it'd be more common with how volatile gasoline can be. Most of the time even when someone gets into a bad wreck they don't usually burst into flames (except for the movies).


Or when the government wants to cover its tracks.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/28/new-stunning-surveillance -v ideo-shows-fiery-michael-hastings-car-crash/
 
2013-10-03 08:52:40 AM  
phone batteries should spontaneously combust when taking vertical videos.
 
2013-10-03 08:54:06 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: pyrotek85: Night Night Cream Puff: Pick: I'll keep my safe gasoline and diesel powered vehicles, thank you.

Yep. Car fires never happen in gasoline or diesel powered vehicles...
[www.cseinsurance.com image 800x574]

I've always been impressed with how seemingly rare it is, you'd think it'd be more common with how volatile gasoline can be. Most of the time even when someone gets into a bad wreck they don't usually burst into flames (except for the movies).

Or when the government wants to cover its tracks.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/28/new-stunning-surveillance -v ideo-shows-fiery-michael-hastings-car-crash/


theblaze.com

lolnope

/ black helicopter bullshiat is more an infowars.com thing anyway
 
2013-10-03 08:54:49 AM  

Boomstickz: Storing that much energy in that little space...doesn't matter what the fuel / power source is...why did this even make the news?


I  dunno.. I think its important to make sure people are aware of this. Despite Hollywood convincing people that gasoline cars explode when the wreck, it's far more likely for  "really bad things"  to happen for Lithium  based electric cars. You don't hear much about it yet because the vast majority of electric cars out there are NiMH and not Group 1 metals, and so far the car companies have done a great job with firewalls to protect the cabin.

As I said in another post, most important will be fire and safety training.
For example, EMT's come to treat someone who appears to have been exposed to some spray from the batteries. Do you clean it off with water? How about alcohol?
 
2013-10-03 08:54:57 AM  

Beer cap: So the fire department had a hell of a time getting into the battery, but a piece of road debris punctured it? I'm going to file this one under "who the fark knows" for now.


Wouldn't need to puncture the enclosure itself, necessarily. Striking a high voltage component anywhere would be more than sufficient to cause a fire. For example, there a DC-DC converter that would have HV cables to it... which are directly behind the front right wheel. Seems plausible to me that something might be hit by the front right wheel and brought up into the wheel well and forced through those wires causing a short.

You're correct that there's no knowing right now, but road debris is very plausible as a cause... more so than a spontaneous battery fault which would have resulted in a fire *under* the car and not in the front compartment...
=Smidge=
 
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